Illegal crate sportsman at woodhull

[DIRTracer86]

So a motor is automatically illegal because a round headed both with two inscriptions on it are not spaced right. That's cute. What wikapedia site did you print that garbage off. How about a dyno session. Or maybe a whistler. Someone with a tube who knows what they're doing. Woodhull you have bigger fish to fry then worry about seal bolts. I applaud tech. But not ridiculous reasons so that a engine builder and track owner can make some easy money. Do your homework and spend the time in the garage. You'll be surprised how much faster you are.  Unbelievable.....

[Yoda]

So a motor is automatically illegal because a round headed both with two inscriptions on it are not spaced right. That's cute. What wikapedia site did you print that garbage off. How about a dyno session. Or maybe a whistler. Someone with a tube who knows what they're doing. Woodhull you have bigger fish to fry then worry about seal bolts. I applaud tech. But not ridiculous reasons so that a engine builder and track owner can make some easy money. Do your homework and spend the time in the garage. You'll be surprised how much faster you are.  Unbelievable.....

The seal bolts have a specified location if the seal bolts are not in the right spots it means the motor was apart and likely not by an authorized facility, the motor being apart is a big non-no in crate racing, I will say it again, you do not fix crate motors you get new ones.

[#2 Charger]

Exactly, My Motor Is An Open Built Motor, It Is A Crate Block. My Car Must Weigh The Same As A Built Motor, As Well As My lil 4412 Carb. I Thiink That Is Fair.

[Lunchbox]

I think that woodhull should hire the DIRT tech inspectors to come down on a random night and have EVERY single car checked their way at the beginning of the night (motors cold) before any cars hit the track.  That means no one goes out for hot laps everyone gets their cars checked instead.  Once it is established that Everyone is Legal by DIRT tech then the woodhull tech inspectors can continue keeping and eye on the field.  While the DIRT guys are there it will be a perfect time for the inspectors to get properly schooled.   If anyone is illegal by DIRT they should not be allowed to run there till they have proof that there is a new motor. Not a fixed motor by a gm repair shop.  I know for a fact if I have enough money to cheat I sure have enough money to pay the guy to BUILD me a motor and have him SEAL it.  Lets say that they DIRT tech guys come and say it costs the track $1000 and there is 25 drivers.  Each driver should pay $40 or how ever it breaks down to.  If you are illegal you should have to pay a hefty fine and no not a 100 or 200 I am thinking like $1000 or more and loss of points for the YEAR not night and not allowed to return EVER till it is paid.  Harsh yes but I can bet you wont do it again. The way I see it it is money that is owed back to the point fund that you STOLE from the legal guys.  If your car was not checked by DIRT that night cause your second cousins mothers aunt died and you didnt come well then you should have to bolt on 200# on your car until you get DIRT to check out your car.  This is all for the Drivers that race there regularly. If you are an outsider coming for a random night this should not apply to you. If you come for more then 3 nights consecutively then you would have abide by this rule also.  By this point in the year they know who the regulars are.  This is JMO

[blackjackracing]

Hats off to Woodhull for trying to make things right. I got out a few years ago and since then I have discovered things that, quite honestly, astounded me in regards to cheating a crate. Someone I was sitting by at PennCan a few weeks ago told me it had cost him over 7 grand to buy his "legal" motor. The thing that is great about the class is that, all things being equal, you have a pretty level playing field with all the emphasis on driver ability and set-up. It's sad that some people feel they need to cheat a motor to win...but the reality is that cheating started the day after racing began. In regards to the bolts. I'm not sure where people are getting the gen II bolts, but I've heard that they are around. G.M. quite supplying them to ANYBODY, so now it is imppossible to legitimatly rebuild the crate motor.  I purchased a gen II motor and went to go break it in at another track. I guess it was the first time the tech guy had seen the newer bolts and he wasn't going to let me run. Knowledge is power. A lack of knowledge in someone with power is a recipe for disaster. I'm looking forward to coming out to Woodhull and watching you guys race. You always put on an awesome show!!

[Groundpounder]

Knowledge is power. A lack of knowledge in someone with power is a recipe for disaster.

I'm writing that one down for future use!!

[racing_gods_72]

I won thirty races at woodhull in three years with a crate engine, first engine was bought from gm in elmira ny 2010, second engine was bought from gm in pa 2011, third was bought from trackside products(got a better deal)2012, never once opened any of them up !!and there was nights i started 18th and one by a half a track, there was one night i was leading and spun out by myself on lap 12 of a 25 lap race and went to the rear and came back to win on the last lap in a 24 car feild !! I guess what i am trying to say is 90%of races are won threwout the week, i always tryed to tak tuesdays off from the harage to spend with my family, but EVERY day other than tursday i was in the garage till at least 11, there was weeks i won, and never touched a car on the track and still took the rearend out and dissasembled for inspection, same goes for every other part or nut and bolt on my car, just because a car is blatnently fast on track does not mean its cheating, my dad and crew guys thought i was nuts half the time for tearing apart my car after winning, but i knew come saterday night i was 100% confident in the machine i was strapping into that on any giving night it would be in contention of going to victory lane !! And i knew i was racing against guys who would rather throw money at it (cheat) than do all the hard work to be competitive, and i was ok with that because i knew if i did everything in my power with the limited resources i had, i was happy no matter where i finished, and i think its easier for people to complain about another competitor than it is to do all the hard work, and that is sad !!! And just a little hint. Keeping up with the track expesually at woodhull is just as important ad all the weekly work, i cant tell u how many times i watched a car win a heat race and think that tonights there night and get let down come showtime !! There was night i won my heat, and litterally changed everything on my car, hell there was nights after the heat my crew would get mad at me and think i was crazy for changing so much because the car was so good in the heat, but you as a driver have to have enough confidense in your car,your ability to keep up with the track,and being able to get up on the wheel and just plain and simply get it done, and pay LESS attention to what other teams are doing even if they are cheating, once you do that, if you are a driver you will find sucess !! JMO

[HARDNUT9]

Best post on here AJ. To bad someone doesn't put him in a car. Maybe I should.

[railbird steve]

beleve me hardnut,- there is alot of woodhull fans that want to see A.J in a 370 !!!!!!!!!!!

[woodhullfan3]

Yes it's good that Ted wants to try to tech the class and everything but what everyone isn't understanding is that a couple years ago Ted said that he didn't care what seals were on it if any at all because he was going to crack down on actually teching. People who went that route were then put in a predicament because now they have to have real seals at the cost of $850 or a brand new motor. It's good that they are doing this but everyone has this misconception that all these people are cheating when it was actually said that people didn't need seals in the first place.

[Burgess Family Racing]

If the Gen1 seals are in question, why not question them during the previous off-season?  Why wait 1/3 way in to 2014?  Or, why not let it ride until the end of this season with the premise that you must either re-seal or by new over the upcoming winter?  I'm not questioning the reasoning...  I'm curious about the timing...

[threecarman]

There is no question if the date on the tag on the side of the motor match. If it not  before 5/2005 the bolts have to have a bar code next to the gm . Any one can go the gm web site under gm crate tec Manuel  and print the 48 page Manuel

[ask0329]

I have a stock appearing crate that i'll sell for the right price. I'll even throw the factory GM seals back on it for ya.

[PEEWEE]

ask0329 smart a$$

[Groundpounder]

ask0329 smart a$$

Much better than a dumb a$$, I always say.