Tubular metric frames

[BC94]

If they are exact weight and dimensions, I see no reason to not let them run.  The people that still want to play with the rust can still do it, so I see no reason for complaints about the cost.  The guys that want to save time can go with the new chassis with no advantage and the guys who want to save a buck can do that also.  Should be a win for everyone.   We re-clipped a car last year and we would have went with the johnson clip in a heartbeat.  I'm past the stripping down old rusty cars for a clip.

[Sodus Mike]

The comparison to late models is because when you go to the link that groundpounder provided Johnson calls them metric late models . Also , look at the pictures of the bare chassis where are the mounts for the rear suspension ? Looks to me that they leave that up to you , or you PAY them more money to do it .

[O.M.G.]

The COST $$ is it. You will only have the rich guy's racing! Now is that right for the guy that always run mid pack. He will now run in the back.   MONEY, MONEY, MONEY

[mickey otoole]

You only read one part of it these frames have been used for street stocks , trucks , road race cars, modified, and late models the rear suspension mounts are there and in exact location . OMG its not all about the money someone can still buy just a frame put their cage and parts on it go back racing with a chassis that wasn't on the highway for 20 years and in a junkyard for 10 . they also have front or rear clips that will weld onto OEM frames to repair old damaged stuff.

[polhamus motor sports]

sounds like you want to change local racing to nascrap all the same cars same shocks same gears etc. lots of fun to watch . just like nascar money wins again.

[frontierjoe]

If, and when they do start letting this type of chassis, I would not be opposed to this type. If everything is stock position and by the track checked with templates. The old chassis as far as I am concerned, OEM are not perfect and require alot of work to get them clean, box the rails, x bracing, cutting off of rear frame and so on. You'll have in time, and materials just as much if not more. Making these available to me guarantees the future of the hobby and ss classses. You'll more than likely always be able to get aftermarket body parts for yrs to come. I know it's less tolling on the check book to find a chassis, buy it cheap $200 to $800 or more. My last chassis was 1200.00 for the chassis, used the body! had to buy nose and didn't run a tail piece. Just removing the body, cleaning the frame, trimming the fenders, hood, doors, quarters, trunk, and firewall, took at least 4 weekends, and $200 in gas for the torch, 100 in grinding wheels, 120x2 hrs for time. Its much cheaper to buy that chassis, build my own cage design, then send it out for body, then bring it back for fire walls, floor, and interior. Bet it would be done quicker as well.
The only thing I would like to see is a option of a stock replacement firewall, for hobby and ss classes that would be same weight and dimensions that would be nice.

Also, It's not quit time to start implementing this type of chassis, there are still many available out there to build from. Yes they are harder to find, but not a day of traveling around will dig up at least three of four a day.
 

[Nate Stevens]

I know this class has basically gotten to this point, but what makes it a stock car?  Tube chassis, aftermarket body, aftermarket control arms, racing rearends, racing shocks, racing transmission, etc.  Where is your street stock?  It sure sounds like an underpaid Late Model to me.  Let's make it better.  I've always liked to be different, so I'm going to make an old Mustang.  Since you guys can use a full tube chassis, so can I.  Hey look I've got the front end out of a dirt late model.  At least it has been a few years since someone has won the World on leaf springs.  Do you think I can sneak a 4 link by?  Maybe if I complain you guys have an advantage over me...   Where did I put Barry Wright's phone number??

[mickey otoole]

thanks frontierjoe good points from someone who has some experience in putting a car together . Nate what would you rather an option now or no class in the future ? And Steve or Doug its not about making the cars all the same nobody said that , besides doesn't everyone use a metric frame now

[BC94]

Frontierjoe hit the nail on the head.  Anyone that has actually built one of these cars from the ground up knows how much $$ and time actually goes into it.  When all said and done, the price is about the same, but you save a ton of time which you can put towards your setup.  That's where the difference is going to be.  The guys that put the time in setting their cars up are the ones that will run up front, no matter what body or chassis they run. 

[polhamus motor sports]

my point is they are changing to fast for many wallets to keep up.

[polhamus motor sports]

maybe these days are over , but when I started in this sport was to spend time with friends and family . building a car with my son and my friends from the ground up . I know for a fact it distracted the younger ones from a lot of trouble they could have gotten into . I for one would like to see that part still today . I know its a lot easier to buy than build but where is the pride in that .I know my time in this sport is winding down , but I still am having fun , isint that what it is about.

[Nate Stevens]

Honestly, it is probably too late.  This frame wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to the class, but when you pair it with everything else there is no class any more.  They aren't Street Stocks or Super Stocks or Stock anything.  Everyone's logic is that it is cheaper and easier to buy off the shelf parts.  You might as well just go with Late Models.  Then it is easier for the tech inspectors to enforce the chassis rules.  People can start getting creative with their suspensions without cheating.  They aren't any more expensive and you can demand the pay that goes with "real" racecars.

This class used to be about a group of friends getting together to build a car.  Going out to hunt for parts and doing research to figure out the best combination.  Now you buy all your parts and half the time pay someone else to bolt them together.  You can spend all your time now cleaning the car and treating tires just like the pros.

And I don't get all this talk about setup.  The suspension is supposed to be in the stock location and have the stock dimensions.  So you can change your weight, your ride height, your springs and I guess your shocks.  How often do you change your weight ratios?  If you don't bend anything they shouldn't change from week to week.  I guess you can tweak your springs a bit.  Get your shocks on the dyno.  Oh if anyone wants to borrow it I've got a really good book on shocks (I hope your up on your differential equations).

[mickey otoole]

If anyone would like to see a bare frame who hasn't seen one before let me know I do have one I'm putting together and would be more than happy too show you.

[dynamite52]

JMO tech is controled by car counts.I would put a monte carlo body on a sst frame an run it. Just come up with a wieght penalty forall my rule breaking. lol

[Sodus Mike]

There's only so far you can tweak on a stock frame / stock component car before it's obvious that it's not stock . With a chassis that is totally fabricated the track would have to buy the tools from the manufacturer to check that . that in my opinion IS the best thing about this deal , but it still looks like a late model to too many people , especially the fans . Honestly , if I had the money to build a top shelf superstock , I'd buy a good used sportmod .