The Numbers Don't Lie

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To have the cars necessary to have 60+ car counts you need enough low-budget local teams (like my team on dirt) to come and compete with the high dollar travelers. Pavement expenses are so high (sorry it is mainly the tires) that there aren't enough local teams to swell the fields. There were 79 Mods at FIVE MILE POINT because many local teams are available within 100 mile radius to support the show. But the reason theres that many local teams is the local shows pay decent and the expenses are low. You can race at Black Rock or Woodhull with a Modified all year on the same two front tires (and probably run them the next season too) and probably 6 to 8 rear tires due to cut downs. That's about $1600 in tires half of which will still be good spares the next season. How much is the average pavement Modified team's yearly tire bill? Everybody poo poo's this but I always paid my own way when I ran my team with very few sponsors and there was absolutely no way on earth I could have raced on pavement simply due to tire costs. If you want more cars at big shows you either have to cut the local weekend warrior's expenses or pay a lot more purse at the weekly local tracks to keep a supply of teams available to come to the big shows. I don't think the fan base can support much more purse unless the promotors can come up with better weekly show sponsors. JMO from a dirt dude.

IMHO, you've hit the nail on the head. On asphalt, if you want to run up front, it's 3 tires a night. I'm not sure what they go for today, but when I was involved, a number of years ago, the tires were $140 a pop. That's $420 plus whatever your race gas costs, right off the bat...

[tire kicker]

I will always believe most of it comes down to promotion.  I can't comment on a mod cause I never owned 1 but have owned a ss for about 20 years now on both dirt and asphalt.  I know most won't believe me but it is cheaper to own an asphalt ss than it is a dirt one.  Common rules and promotion equals cars on either surface.....dirt mods do well from it and sst mods were doing well from it when it existed.  The big ten ss series did well from it this year as well.   We can rehash this to death but until another Alex comes along or asphalt steals Brett deyo we seem doomed

[racerdad]

Now post the cost of fielding a Modified in each Divison . NASCAR will be triple  at least. Maybe 5 times the cost. Then post the pay out for each Divison then you will get a better picture.

Don Reynolds

[uticamike]

17 posts in and not one by uticamike!!!   ( I wonder why?)   

Because he just got home from a weekend of activity that included the taking in and competing in a NON WMT, NON VMRS and NON ROC race.

Wow Mike...what kind of race was it?    A MODIFIED race. Really ...where was it?   Mahoning Valley Speedway

WoW Mike...thats' cool....btw did they use heats or time trials to qualifiy?  Why heats of course even though this was a special event not a weekly one, they used heats.

WoW Mike....  I heard heats suck..how come they used them?  You know I heard that too but I think that the management of the speedway had some

concern for entertaining their fans. I'm sure that was it.  btw one of the best in the business (and his father) failed to make the redraw after the heats which

offered the customers a little something to buzz about.

Wow Mike did anybody get up and leave during the heats?  I couldn't tell. It was too crowded to move around freely so I think the hoard was "forced" to watch them.

Wow Mike... did ALL the cars make the show that showed up?  Nope!!!  (sorry the heats and consi had meaning but don't let that get out)

Wow Mike.... don't those people in Pennsylvania know they're doing it wrong?   Well maybe not. Must be they ain't as smart as the REAL Modified "fans" from Mattydale.



btw while it's not germane to anything being discussed here......I did have fun this weekend.

[HoosierDaddy1]

Ya know Laminate, your best bet is to not touch the keyboard sometimes. But, you will never learn.

A modified race at MVS today? I don't think so.

29 cars show up and they start 25. Not very healthy for the sport, but that is my opinion. NASCAR tour wouldn't have sent those 4 teams home. Just think those 4 teams bought tires, racing fuel, pit passes for what? To race in a non-paying heat.  Pretty pitiful.

13 cars left running at the end, and 5 on the lead lap. What happened to the other 12 cars that started?

Drop the keyboard and mouse and back away. They are contributing to your delinquency.

Again NASCAR has it nailed when it comes to modified racing. In other words "NASCAR Rules and the rest Drools".

BTW - Airborne Park in Plattsburgh have now joined the NASCAR Whelen All American Series for 2014 (they got rid of that pesky DIRT sanction). Maybe a real asphalt modified tour race for next year.

[uticamike]

Ya know Laminate, your best bet is to not touch the keyboard sometimes. But, you will never learn.

A modified race at MVS today? I don't think so.

29 cars show up and they start 25. Not very healthy for the sport, but that is my opinion. NASCAR tour wouldn't have sent those 4 teams home. Just think those 4 teams bought tires, racing fuel, pit passes for what? To race in a non-paying heat.  Pretty pitiful.

13 cars left running at the end, and 5 on the lead lap. What happened to the other 12 cars that started?

Drop the keyboard and mouse and back away. They are contributing to your delinquency.

Again NASCAR has it nailed when it comes to modified racing. In other words "NASCAR Rules and the rest Drools".

BTW - Airborne Park in Plattsburgh have now joined the NASCAR Whelen All American Series for 2014 (they got rid of that pesky DIRT sanction). Maybe a real asphalt modified tour race for next year.

     Where did I post the MVS race was today??

 So.. Now your standard is ALL that show should start?  If Thompson got 50 cars you'd start all 50? They paid an entry,tires, pit passes etc.  Did you really just type this?

Floyd did those guys a fave by adding 2 provisionals  but to tell you the truth 20 cars starting at MVS would still be a good show. Maybe a better one, might have been less cautions.

Yes there were too many but NASCAR never has a race with too many yellows? 

The Tour at Airbourne in 2014?  I wish you were right. ( you wanna make another bet you won't agree too?)  No Tour there. 

The Nutmeg Modified Series makes one long (world class) haul to Bristol..that's it.  See if you can wield your magic and at least get them back at Martinsville.

If I type less will you type more and leave your little "daddy" alone for awhile?    PUD cleaned your clock here but you wait till I show up to respond.

A new version of Silence of the Lambs. Your on here so much "schooling" us on how NASCAR has it nailed I've renamed you Hannibal Lecture.

Going to the N/S Shoot Out to watch some racing?  TT and heats, no ( SportMods, (Andy Harpell,   (Jack Bateman . The ROC champion will be there

I'm sure the WMT one as well.   Gonna be fun Daddy boy.  better get there.

[80racing]

Group hug??

[Chargincharlie]

Hmmmmm!  71 big blocks at Orange county same price or more motors and same price for tires giant purse for what you pay for admission.

[uticamike]

Ya know Laminate, your best bet is to not touch the keyboard sometimes. But, you will never learn.

A modified race at MVS today? I don't think so.

29 cars show up and they start 25. Not very healthy for the sport, but that is my opinion. NASCAR tour wouldn't have sent those 4 teams home. Just think those 4 teams bought tires, racing fuel, pit passes for what? To race in a non-paying heat.  Pretty pitiful.

13 cars left running at the end, and 5 on the lead lap. What happened to the other 12 cars that started?

Drop the keyboard and mouse and back away. They are contributing to your delinquency.

Again NASCAR has it nailed when it comes to modified racing. In other words "NASCAR Rules and the rest Drools".

BTW - Airborne Park in Plattsburgh have now joined the NASCAR Whelen All American Series for 2014 (they got rid of that pesky DIRT sanction). Maybe a real asphalt modified tour race for next year.

Well... you got your wish. A real Modified tour race is going to be there in September as the Valenti Modified Tour schedule was released tonight at the banquet. 

The VMRS is racing 7 times again in CT to the Tours 8. They're right there nippin' at the heels.   Hmmm, some of those nails are losing there grip.

[phredo]

Ya know Laminate, your best bet is to not touch the keyboard sometimes. But, you will never learn.

A modified race at MVS today? I don't think so.

29 cars show up and they start 25. Not very healthy for the sport, but that is my opinion. NASCAR tour wouldn't have sent those 4 teams home. Just think those 4 teams bought tires, racing fuel, pit passes for what? To race in a non-paying heat.  Pretty pitiful.

13 cars left running at the end, and 5 on the lead lap. What happened to the other 12 cars that started?

Drop the keyboard and mouse and back away. They are contributing to your delinquency.

Again NASCAR has it nailed when it comes to modified racing. In other words "NASCAR Rules and the rest Drools".

BTW - Airborne Park in Plattsburgh have now joined the NASCAR Whelen All American Series for 2014 (they got rid of that pesky DIRT sanction). Maybe a real asphalt modified tour race for next year.

Well... you got your wish. A real Modified tour race is going to be there in September as the Valenti Modified Tour schedule was released tonight at the banquet. 

The VMRS is racing 7 times again in CT to the Tours 8. They're right there nippin' at the heels.   Hmmm, some of those nails are losing there grip.

Furthermore, there is speculation that the Airborne race will be an MRS/ROC combo event!

[HoosierDaddy1]

I am quite sure the reason for the combo race is because neither can guarantee a full field of modifieds (with sportsman) on their own, once outside of their element.

Remember the last combo race at Malta?


22 cars

An Airborne is a whole lot farther away than Malta.

Again the numbers don't lie.

P.S. The "Two Venturi King" has stated to be there. Can't wait to hear of his hi-jinx.

[phredo]

Contrary to the title of this thread, one can (and does) lie with statistics. 

Presented below is the roster of   49  cars that attempted qualifying for the Albany-Saratoga combo ROC/MRS race:

Car #: Driver:
0 Mike Holdridge
1 Chris Risdale
2 Ken Barry
2 Zach Shove
3x Darren Sherer
03 Patrick Eberling
4 Bob Reis
05 Jacob Dore
05 Terry Cheetham
5 Kyle Ebersole
06 Les Hinckley
6 Jan Leaty
6 Ronnie Silk
8 Earl Paules
11 Billy Weichert
12 Todd Annarummo
14 Doug Reaume
17 Jack Bateman
18 Eddy Spiers
21 Geoffrey Gernhard
22 Pete Brittain
25 Rowin Pennink
27 Kevin Iarnnarelli
28 Dwight Jarvis
34 Rusty Smith
44 Rick Kluth
47 Jim Storace
60 Matt Hirshman
52 Chris Pasteryak
53 Norm Wrenn
55 Joe Doucette
58 Eric Goodale
66 Mike Stefanik
69 Jim Dolan
69 Tommy Cloce
70 Andy Seuss
72 TJ Potrzebowski
73 Jon McKennedy
75 Carl Pasteryak
76 Shelly Perry
77 Kenny White Jr.
79 Max Zachem
83 Frank Perry
87 Mike Speeney
88 Jim Boniface
98 Bryon Chew
10x Mike Ordway
1nh Rob Goodenough
9nh Joey  Jarvis

[Groundpounder]

Thanks Phredo, you beat me to it.  Just another misrepresentation from the planet Mattydale.

[Big Al-VT]

And to correct another mis-statement, Airborne has NOT dropped the DIRT Sanction, The 358's will be DIRTcar sanctioned, the top NASCAR division will be the SPortsman Modifieds

[uticamike]

22 is less than 49 .....I think  

Time for Sunday morn...(mourn)  twin spin >>>

Three Dog Night - Liar (Solid Gold 1984)
&

Fleetwood Mac - Little Lies [Official Music Video]

Now with a number stakes drivin into his heart will the monster finally sleep?