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Title: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Gomerpyle on April 07, 2019, 03:06:54 PM
Looks like the race is being run on a Tuesday.
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: leadfoot4 on April 07, 2019, 04:47:17 PM
Bristol....CROWD???


They shouldn't have shown the Goodyear Blimp, overhead shot. It showed just how EMPTY the place really is!!
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Openwheels on April 08, 2019, 09:24:40 AM
Yeah, I couldn't believe how empty it was, not looking good at many tracks anymore...
I also found this:

"According to estimates from journalists at the track, there were between 35,000 and 40,000 at the race, won by, guess who, Kyle Busch. Bristol Motor Speedway, nestled in the mountains on the Tennessee-Virginia line, has a seating capacity of 162,000."

(NASCAR does not disclose official or estimated attendances, or the sizes of purses.)


"For years, Bristol was one of the most popular tracks in NASCAR, drawing packed houses (and waiting lists) for its summer race under the lights. The spring race, usually on a Sunday afternoon, was less popular, but it drew large crowds -- 160,000 as recently as 2009. Even attendance for the summer race dropped to 94,000 last year.

The spring race at Bristol in 2018 was hampered by poor weather. Many stock-car fans don’t decide to buy tickets until they know that it probably won’t rain. Rain was in the forecast last year, so there might have been 20,000 in the seats for the start of the race, under dark skies.

The race was stopped by rain. It was completed a day later, a Monday afternoon, with virtually no one in the stands, which is a tough break for a sport that can’t really be run in the rain. Rain was in the area again Sunday, but the speedway did not even offer tickets for roughly half the seats."
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Orange18 on April 08, 2019, 12:39:26 PM
Unbelievable, Had to be no more than 1/3 full. Looked like they were practicing. 30-40 thousand??? NASCAR is in deep dark trouble.
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: bassman on April 08, 2019, 01:20:18 PM
How do they afford to pay out after a poor show of fans like that? These tracks cant sustain things like this for too many seasons or they'll be closing the gates permanently... Nascar needs to find ways to get butts back in the seats...
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Orange18 on April 08, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
What about Track Owners??? Brunton Smith must be stroking out!!! To many Laps, to many races, tracks with two dates. The cash cow is in its death throws. That show yesterday is got to KILL sponsorship. Those camera's panning a stadium that is a third full is got to kill sponsorship. NASCAR was real good at not panning the empty seats at the bigger tracks but there was no way around it yesterday.
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: roblaskowski99 on April 08, 2019, 02:26:14 PM
What's the price for a decent ticket? $155 for the top grandstand section is a little ridiculous to me
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: phredo on April 08, 2019, 05:35:35 PM
How do they afford to pay out after a poor show of fans like that? These tracks cant sustain things like this for too many seasons or they'll be closing the gates permanently... Nascar needs to find ways to get butts back in the seats...

Not to worry.  The gates won't be closing soon.  Why?  Because the TV money pays the bills - including the purses.
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Openwheels on April 10, 2019, 07:32:07 AM
How do they afford to pay out after a poor show of fans like that? These tracks cant sustain things like this for too many seasons or they'll be closing the gates permanently... Nascar needs to find ways to get butts back in the seats...

Not to worry.  The gates won't be closing soon.  Why?  Because the TV money pays the bills - including the purses.

I couldn't agree more, NASCAR has always (and been getting worse, even when they come back from commercials they throw in a couple of more/ect.) about nothing but advertising and commercials...I understand the importance on having commercials and sponsors ships/ect, in all levels of racing...I get it...  but, things (and prices) have been taken to a whole new level lately....

I think NASCAR may really stand for  ;D...

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Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: jimmy consi on April 10, 2019, 07:59:07 AM
LOCAL ASPHALT RACING AND NASCRAP IN THE SAME SINKING BOAT!! I WAS AT THE TRACK EVERY WEEKEND BUT THEY CHASED ME AWAY (AMOUNG OTHERS)! FOUND OTHER THINGS TO DO.....
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: leadfoot4 on April 10, 2019, 08:39:52 AM
There was an article published in the Rochester newspaper this morning, authored by sports writer Jenna Fryer, regarding the lack of fans at Bristol. In the article, she said that she spoke with driver Clint Bower, who said that after seeing the dismal attendance,  he did a little research of his own. His conclusion was that the fans are finally tired of the "price gouging" of the area's hotels/motels, and although he didn't mention it, most likely restaurants, too.

I recently became acquainted with an older gentleman who is a racing enthusiast, and he was telling me that he and his adult sons used to attend 2-3 NASCAR races a year, but the overall costs, especially the out of town lodging, has driven them away.

On a personal level, one of my former work colleagues used to own a condo unit in Myrtle Beach, SC, and would rent it to friends/family. I rented it several times, over the years, beginning in 1980, right after he purchased it. The first time you go someplace, you're a little unfamiliar with the most efficient way to do things, and while in MB, I picked up a hotel list/price schedule from one of the "chain" hotels, in preparation for making a room reservation for the trip home. This flyer included several of the southern states, and one of my "non-racing" friends, who was with us, commented about how there seemed to be "random weekends" with unusually high rates. All I could say was, "race weekend".

Apparently, the hotel owners have "jumped the shark".....
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Orange18 on April 10, 2019, 12:07:46 PM
The price gauging has always been that way, I paid $400 a night at flee bag motel in Bristol back in 2007. I feel that it just comes down to people loosing interest., partly due to the product that is being presented, but also due to the fact that there is so many other forms of entertainment. There is the same trend in hunting, our numbers are plummeting at an unsustainable rate). BTW who has 3+ hours to sit and do nothing but watch the tube. The races are way to many laps to keep anyones attention. When I rarely do watch a race on TV i DVR it and watch the first 25 laps and the last 25.
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: roblaskowski99 on April 10, 2019, 05:36:34 PM
Agree with almost everyone's points races are way too long but these tracks that NASCAR is that don't care about the little guy it's all corporatetherefore they don't give a f*** what you pay for a hotel or ticket it's pretty pathetic because to get up to the NASCAR level you start grassroots where people actually care about you follow you and you remember them as a driver or fan
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Gomerpyle on April 10, 2019, 08:25:39 PM
Dale Sr died and Dale Jr retired and NO ROCKINGHAM. Enough said for our group.
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: raceannouncer on April 10, 2019, 11:16:46 PM
I have to snicker when there's a mention of NASCAR and hotel prices in the same sentence...does anyone REALLY think that NASCAR can do anything to prevent an owner of any place of lodging to limit the charge of hotel rooms in areas surrounding a race track--or restaurants--or gas stations or any other retail business during a BIG race weekend?  I'm stumped as to how that is NASCAR's fault OR, more to the point:  What can they actually do about it?

I remember this happening at regional races, too, such as big racing events at Oswego (during the old ROC days and the days of Dirt Week at the NYS fairgrounds.  Placing blame on the promoters of racing, no matter how big or how small the event, borders on insanity!  If free enterprise doesn't seem right to you and you own your own business, would you honestly reduce your pricing just because the very thing you make your biggest profit from wants to tell what to charge?  NO practical business owner would want or do that!

Most people already believe that NASCAR is the big bully now;  I can just hear the howling now:  "Can you believe that NASCAR is trying to tell privately-owned businesses how to set prices for their goods and/or services to further their bottom line"?

TV contracts pay for the right to broadcast races;  they pretty much run the show of nearly everything they cover!  Butts in the seats become secondary to the fat money broadcasters pony up!  I agree that some things have to change before nearly every racing facility becomes extinct!  I don't have the answer(s) for the downturn--and  I won't pretend to, either! It seems like nobody else does, either.  This much I do know:  the desire to witness races in person vs. the increasing popularity of lazily sitting comfortably at home to watch, certainly contributes to it!  Somehow, the "thrill and excitement of being there" needs to be rekindled somehow!  Again, I don't have any answers!  And like most of you, I'm also deeply concerned...
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Sunny on April 11, 2019, 06:55:08 AM
I do believe that NASCAR as a sanctioning body could step up and tell businesses in the area that they will pull a race if the crowd dwindles any further. For instance, Clint Bowyer Tweeted that he called around after being concerned about the crowd himself and found hotels freely admitting they jacked single night rates to almost triple because it was race weekend, and some that were hit so hard with empty rooms they were taking walk ins at just over $100 a night (affordable). The seat ticket is expensive, yes. But the amenities being out of everyone's price range is what keeps the crowd down at Bristol. 

I stopped going to Watkins for the race when camping went to all reserved spots with or without electric. Curiously, what is the price for reserved trackside with water and electric now at WGI?

And, as an aside, if they put a dirt track there, you can bet your sweet old Aunt Fanny's fanny, I will spend my hard earned dollar there. Just like I do at Oswego. 6 campsites paid for since December 2018.

Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: kt on April 11, 2019, 07:07:48 AM
...Wow, the first three paragraphs dedicated to something that never happened. I didn't think so, but I went back and read every word on everyone's posts and not ONE, not ONE person blamed the price gouging of hotels and surrounding businesses on NASCAR......Reading comprehension 101....

...But that doesn't prevent some people from sticking up for the governing body NO MATTER what the problem is or how legitimate the problem, or how wrong they are. But I HAVE read your books before....

....Said person admits he doesn't have the answers but somehow manages to disparage the fans for being "too lazy" to attend races....Yea, that's it......NASCAR literally has dozens of problems but this person picks out something that never happened, offers no solutions, and still exonerates NASCAR for not being the problem.........clueless

Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: raceannouncer on April 11, 2019, 09:21:28 AM
NOWHERE in my post did I post did I attempt to "exonerate" NASCAR.  As with any complex issue, ALL parties involved should shoulder the blame.

My sole point was to directed to those who expect any entity to roll into a private business and tell them to charge less.  It would be comparable to any sports body (NFL, MLB, NBA, etc.) to try to use "strong arm" tactics to do the same on game day.  I doubt that racing businesses (such as engine builders, chassis builders or parts suppliers. etc.) would bow down to such suggestions by ANY sanctioning body be they be dirt or asphalt.  Most people should understand the economic principle of "free enterprise", especially if they own/operate their own private business

"Other said person" clearly demonstrates his knowledge of the concept of implication.  It is evident as he uses it throughout his response.  Plus, I would point out that posts 11 and 12 specifically mention places of lodging.  Care to join me in reading comprehension, then? Perhaps "other said person" might want to read the ENTIRE thread before launching barbs at his favorite target who was merely offering his own opinion.  It's also curious that "other said person" offers no real solution himself!
 
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: kt on April 11, 2019, 09:58:23 AM
...Go back and read posts 11 and 12 yourself, genius.....While they mention price gouging, they don't pin the blame for that on NASCAR.......Reading Comprehension 101
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: raceannouncer on April 11, 2019, 10:19:09 AM
...Go back and read posts 11 and 12 yourself, genius.....While they mention price gouging, they don't pin the blame for that on NASCAR.......Reading Comprehension 101

Once again, fellow genius:  implication...
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: kt on April 11, 2019, 10:25:46 AM
...Once again, they didn't make the implication, you did.......genius
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: raceannouncer on April 11, 2019, 11:22:29 AM
SMH...
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: Ratzso on April 11, 2019, 02:39:05 PM
Well... I for one am flummoxed. 

More empty seats at Bristol than fans.  Now I find out that while Darrel Waltrip was boggitying and waving the green flag for the start, the seating section named in honor was closed for the race because of the lack of fans.  That just ain't right, if only for the handful of DW fans out there.

Everyone says they don't watch NA$CAR anymore but there is more chatter about why they don't watch NA$CAR than there was when everyone was watching.  I suspect some fibbing going on here.

All of the pundits talk about the decline and the metrics that confirm this decline, yet on April 4, 2019, International Speedway Corporation (ISCA - NA$CAR) announced that the first quarter results for 2019 showed revenue of $150.9 million which was an increase over the same period in 2018.

ISCA Stock price today is $43.44.  Kodak is $2.86.  ISC today, April 11, 2019 announced a dividend increase to shareholders which is 4.3% larger than the dividend paid in 2018.  Kodak dividend - make a closed fist, open it and see what you have.

Empty seats, no one watching on TV yet NA$CAR continues to make a profit.  This has to be the most amazing business model ever.   I'm flummoxed.....

Respectfully,

J. Langford Ratzsonelli
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: herm on April 11, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
To my way of thinking the racing has left the track and gone way too much on what happens in the pit during stops. It has gotten to the point that the tire changers are more of a factor than the driver. It all started with the closing of the pits, cars bunching up before stops and way to many rules and penalties. Then there is always stupid things like lucky dog etc. There is also the factor of the Goodyear tires that are a constant failure just about every week. Program needs to get back the way it was 25 or 30 years ago and do away with all the BS.
Title: Re: Bristol Crowd
Post by: leadfoot4 on April 12, 2019, 08:36:19 AM
I put together some comments, yesterday, clicked on "post", thought my comments  were posted, but right at that time, my laptop also happened to "hiccup", so it appears that my post either is lost in cyberspace, or wound up in some other, unrelated, place. Nonetheless....

I don't think that NASCAR can, or should, attempt to dictate what hotels, restaurants, and other peripheral businesses should charge their customers. America is, so far, a free country. HOWEVER, what they could do, is remind these businesses that they need to think "long term". Give the customers a "shafting" this year, they might not be back next year, and the year after. They need to keep in mind that the fans come to see a race, not get a colonoscopy.

With respect to TV coverage, yes, the ability of the sports broadcasters to place dozens of cameras around the track, in the race cars, in the pit boxes, on the crew members headbands, etc, has actually made it much easier to follow the race from the TV in your home. When in person, especially on the big tracks, no longer do the cars fly by in one particular order, and come back around again in another, and you missed the "big pass for the win". At home, you see it all.

And "herm", you make a good point. I agree that too many race outcomes are decided in the pits, ESPECIALLY now that NASCAR has put the crews under a microscope. THAT is crazy, when a driver gets penalized because a just removed tire goes 2 feet beyond the changer's arm reach.....
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