Get used to it; we're at the beginning of the "new frontier"... >:(
I can answer that Way 2 Lo I called and asked.
Buck
Get used to it; we're at the beginning of the "new frontier"... >:(
Please elaborate...
Not looking for a justification...asking what you know....your thoughts/opinion, etc.
thanks in advance
Get used to it; we're at the beginning of the "new frontier"... >:(
Please elaborate...
Not looking for a justification...asking what you know....your thoughts/opinion, etc.
thanks in advance
My comment was intended to point out the fact that "social media" has become a reservoir for so-called facts with which to make decisions that can affect people in ways never imagined before. Much of the time, as you have just demonstrated, meanings of words can be misconstrued, mistaken or taken out of context, then be unfairly used as a weapon against a person, sometimes for personal gain or to use the posts as a means to start trouble. I am just expressing my opinion on the technology, not this particular situation--of which I have no personal knowledge. Again, I'm just commenting on this relatively new means of communication which can be used for good and bad which unfortunately can cause more trouble, whether intended or not! That's all I was trying to convey!
I'm fairly certain that the fields would be thin if JW tossed all that felt like he was an azzhole. All it would take is TZ to pull his cars and his two premier classes are pathetic. JW needs to step down from his high horse and figure out how to control all the egos. Especially his own! Most great tracks don't thin their field. Parenting 101 says make the consequences worse than the reward for the action. I don't know why I'm telling you azzes this because your arrogance makes me hope you fail.
The point is if the ROC was still at Oswego this thread wouldn't even be here. Lee would be racing in it. So for the person asking how do you know it's a John White deal. Open your eyes and get a clue. Lee has done nothing to cause Andy to not allow him to race at the ROC.
If John's claim about Jerry Cook is true then has Jerry ever heard of Bowman Grey? I believe there is a few that would be banned for life from that place.
I'm really hesitant to post this, because of the opinions on both sides have a great deal of emotion(s) regarding this particular situation. Even so, the discussion has been civil (relatively speaking),complete with the normal name-calling and a great deal of misinformation being spewed out. So, because I became interested in this "hot-button" topic, wondering what all the fuss is about, I decided to reach out to John for an explanation...which, to be fair, he didn't really have to do. (AND if I can contact him, anyone else should be able to as well! No matter which side you wish to be on, I spent approximately one hour with him on the phone and here's what he told me: (MY capitalization used for emphasis!)
1.) He is NOT a member of this board or any other "social media" such as Facebook. I pressed the issue and asked him why? He replied simply that: "that I haven't got the time to read and respond fairly and completely to every incident (large or small) which happens at the track to everyone's satisfaction on either side". he would rather have a face-to-face conversation with the party or parties involved in any incident which occurs at the track.
2.) He admitted it was the incident involving a track official, which prompted his decision to BAN Lee from the property for the remainder of the season.
3.) He further explained that it was HIS decision that was made and no one else's.
4.) Regardless of who "leases" the track for any event held there, John, as the owner is ultimately responsible legally for what happens at the facility ALL the time. Imagine, for instance, another incident involving any driver who has been banned from even setting foot on the facility were to happen. The first legal question to be asked would be: how can a driver be allowed to race if they are not supposed to even be at the track to begin with?
5.) Because of stated reason #4, it would be explained to any promoter, (Mr. Harpell included), that John's decision would have to be understood and enforced.
6.) John says he reached out to NASCAR's Jerry Cook to describe what happened and what Cook's position would be if Jerry were involved in a similar deal. John claims that Jerry's response was that if the same situation occurred in that manner under his watch, ANY attempt to involve an official by a driver, especially if intentional, Jerry stated that the said driver would be banned for LIFE from competing at any NASCAR member track. (Of course, this cannot be enforced at a non-NASCAR sanctioned facility!)
Now, in my view you can call John a "tyrant" or whatever else you wish. Or want to question and bash me for my involvement to track down John to get his side of the story; I wanted to clear up most of the comments being bandied about, especially whose decision it actually was. But, regardless of your stance on this or any other decision John arrives at, it is HIS "sandbox" and he can (and gets to make) any call regarding anything that happens at the track...because it is HIS neck on the chopping block if anything comes down there, especially legal issues! Not to mention the fact if there was a "one time" exception made in a similar situation and something happened involving the same driver, John would be severely criticized and crucified even more than is happening here so far for letting him compete in any race. Again, I'm not taking sides here but since many here seemed to disagree about whose decision it was, I was curious enough to reach out to John to actually find out his side of the story...Again, he didn't have to respond to ME or even explain his reasons regarding his decisions! Lee has explained and described his view(s) emphatically. And I agree that he should be afforded the opportunity to express his displeasure and disappointment because of this. He deserves to get the opportunity to make his feeling known (and I believe he has done so in an intelligent and passionate way) But I'm also flattered to think that John felt he respected me enough to respond so as to relate his side of the story! I would welcome and encourage Lee to do the same; Ultimately, it is his choice whether to discuss anything related to this topic...and again, he doesn't have to explain his views to me personally as he might believe I (or anyone else) don't deserve one and it's up to him to decide! But I have no information on how to contact him (other tan I PM here! And I would respect any his decision he might make, no matter what! I'm just digging for facts and other pertinent information because this topic has grabbed my attention (and not in a negative way!). For the most part, you guys have expressed your views without it getting really ugly (so far, at least!)...keep it going in the same manner!!! PLEASE!
I believe dirt4life is about to open up the can of worms.. LOL
So all drivers that are banned from Chemung can't race in the roc ?
I believe dirt4life is about to open up the can of worms.. LOL
What is right for one should be right for others .... And by JW words lee can't race Bc he is kicked out of Chemung so no ROC but how many others are booted from Chemung but can race the ROC?
Even Pete Rose was allowed to walk out on the field and wave to the crowd during the All Star Game. ROC is kind of the same thing.
I believe dirt4life is about to open up the can of worms.. LOL
Way 2 lo. To answer your question. You asked a question that only had one answer to it. John white made the call and that was the only answer it could be.
How is it the race of champions when the 3 time winner can't race in it. JW does not like lee we all know that but this race now went from race of champions to the JW show. Will Harpell make the calls on the race or will JW make the final calls on everything Bc it's his track. ROC1 I rent the building my business in ran out of and the owner does not tell me what I can and can not do to run my business Bc I have to have my own insurance now if you are leasing the track for your business why is this different? And why will no one answer the question is lee the only one that has been kick out of the track that can't race in the roc?God dam, get over it man. The dude can't race one dam race and you act like it's the end of the world. Lee isn't the first one to ever be banned from a track and won't be the last. Mr Harpell made it very clear that it's out of his control at this point so let it go and move on.
Since it's an "indefinite" suspension, John White has the ability to lift it anytime he likes. This seems to be an ego thing much like another asphalt track. What needs to happen is a moderator/arbitrator needs to step in and meet with both parties. If John White is refusing, then the ego is much bigger then thought. Someone like Mr Paz and Andy would be good choices as the arbitrator to get this solved, and move forward.
Kudos to jw for standing by his decision. If more parents were like him their kids wouldn't throw temper tantrums all the time. Consequences for your actions. Own itI totally agree! What goes around comes around,and treat others as you wish to be treated.
I'm just amazed at the number of people who think they have a right to race at this track or that one.
This stuff happens all over. Ever known anyone "removed" from a bar for any number of reasons?
I'm not taking up sides as I don't know what happened and don't know either party personally and as such have no dog in this fight.
John White can run his track anyway he see's fit and you can go or not go based on that. It's a free country.
isn't new anyway. A short trip in the wayback machine yielded this >> [url]http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/2007/08/chris-jones-the-misunderstood.html[/url] ([url]http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/2007/08/chris-jones-the-misunderstood.html[/url])
I heard the head flagger and turn one flagger were laughing about getting him kicked out for stealing his brothers ride.Some people have no flippen idea of what there talking about. Lee and his dad built that car over the winter !! Maybe the brothers helped, im not sure.
I'm still shaking at the thought of JW being my Dad
Hmmm...what class would the "Popemobile" run in???Well it's definitely a tall cage, driver back car so it would have to be a dirt sportsman or modified.
For one I am the turn 1 flagger and I have no Ill will toward Lee Sharpsteen on the race track at all. But I will tell you this I was glad to see him booted for one reason and one reason only. First of all he lied and said he had no breaks left on his car but isn't it funny when JW had him pull a tire there was plenty of pad and rotor left and he put a man life in danger for stupidity. With that being said he is a hot head and got what he deserved in this situation. I will not bash him for the history that we have and nor do I believe he is a bad driver. But I will tell you his emotions get the best of him sometimes and in those times instead of using a 2500# ram rod he needs to cool off and step back and relax before running his mouth.
For one I am the turn 1 flagger and I have no Ill will toward Lee Sharpsteen on the race track at all. But I will tell you this I was glad to see him booted for one reason and one reason only. First of all he lied and said he had no breaks left on his car but isn't it funny when JW had him pull a tire there was plenty of pad and rotor left and he put a man life in danger for stupidity. With that being said he is a hot head and got what he deserved in this situation. I will not bash him for the history that we have and nor do I believe he is a bad driver. But I will tell you his emotions get the best of him sometimes and in those times instead of using a 2500# ram rod he needs to cool off and step back and relax before running his mouth.yes you should stick to flagging instead of teching,or maybe thats why nichols runs away with it because you tech as good as you know about brakes,there is alot more involved than whats stops the car.I had a master cyl go bad on a car i worked on before,driver said it peddle was soft and on the floor.
It's brakes (not breaks), Einstein.
The 8 car always seems to have a problem with brakes, they don't slow his car that he uses as a weapon and they don't stop him from running his mouth behind a computer. This is a joke, we're talking about a street stock class that pays 1500 to win, who cares. Three time champ of nothing, the car was illegal the whole time. He knows it, the team knew it, and he's been tossed before. Heck the guy hasn't won a race all year long in a beginner class. Lets move on folks. Give them all a box of tissues and send them to Shang 2 where they can make the rules!AMEN!
Here is an idea how about ADMIN locks out this thread!!!!!!!!!
Here is an idea how about ADMIN locks out this thread!!!!!!!!!And just what will that accomplish BOZO?
At first I thought Andy made a mistake moving the ROC to Chemung.
Now, with all this free publicity(10k views), it looks genius!.........lol
Mr herman, be careful what you asked for i bet I've parked on the front stretch more times than you've been to the races! Your name says it all.
18 time track champion
Over 300 victories
44 wins in a season
And yes I've made money in the business.
Enjoy your day
Sincerely your nightmare
NOW I'AM REALLY IMPRESSED NEVER NEW SOMEBODY WITH THE NAME WENDY WAS SUCH A AWESOME DRIVER!AND TRUST ME YOU WILL NEVER BE A NIGHTMARE TO ME BUT MAYBE TO YOUR HUSBAND
the issue isn't with the thread, just a few of the posters within it?
Not sure of the revelance here but.......I just realized I am getting up there in years and have never owned a bowling ball.......or shoes for that matter?? ???This makes no sense bikerBob.
Bb
Robert I. Morronson