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RaceNewYork Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Italianracer31 on January 19, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
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Who's racing what this coming season at Holland? Schedule is out, rules to be out next week or two...
Cool to see ROC mods back and the Big10 Supers got 2 shows I'm excited to see.
31,17,3 hornets will be back and 31 pro-mod too
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00 hornet back with new car
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I would have thought it would be 31 Charger no?
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Glad to see everyone is coming back for another year!
I hope to see everyone soon at all the beer blasts and of course the car shows!
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wrong thread oops
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Ill be there here and there. Definitely for the big ten races
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Nope no 31 charger. I know our team sold 2 hornets that will be at Holland this summer...
What are your plans Jeff?
See you at the Big10 meeting Ted
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ill be there for the big 10 shows cant wait to race there!!!!! but still bummed the lamuts wanted to stay on their island insted of getting the latemodel car counts back to the good old days of a full field of 25 plus cars going to be a bummer watching their heat race oops i mean feature haha what a joke
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25 plus cars? Okay. If they did not show up to Erie, what makes you think they would magically show up at Holland? You wanna race, conform to the LAMOT rules. 5 cars at Lake Erie...that wasn't a joke?
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No more of a joke than the single digit car counts LAMOT has after how many years now? If the problem with late model car counts is cost, then it's painfully obvious that LAMOT is NOT the solution. While I didn't care for his personal attack on Mike Ticco, Mr. Wylie's point that late model racing around here would be much better off if the LAMOT people had been willing to cooperate and blend the two formulas is well taken. LAMOT is a failed experiment, as is the formula that Lake Erie was using. How long should those in charge keep doing the same thing while expecting different results? It sounds like Motordrome is trying something different this year. Hopefully that works out for them.
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For Mr wylie to think that Holland was going to have 25 latemodels like the old days was one of the funniest things I have heard since the late model meeting when they were trying to combine the open late models with the lamots(or LAMUTS as mr wylie calls them) and have the lamots change there cars around so the other cars can come race with them and think they can all be equalled out with WEIGHT.
At the meeting i dont think there were more than 2-3 cars that would have committed to run Holland weekly and with out a Commitment I can see why The LAMOTS did not want to waiver.If MR Wylie really wanted to race late models he would of put the 602 Engine he has for sale in the classifieds in his car and could have been running at Holland with the lamots,but apparently he Knows that a 602 will never be competive with a 604 no matter what the weight breaks might be.
So mr Wylie keep dreaming about racing at holland or switch your car to LAMOT RULES (Since all tracks are combining engines and you can also go race at those places) or sit on RACENY and bitch about LAMOT
like You been since the series started !!!
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They can be equalled out by weight they do it all over the country. We agreed to run ur shocks and whatever tire u decide to run. Well the lamot guys were more concerned with the fact that our 604 guys would be faster and worried that Noone would help them. We have offered to help anyone with late models at Holland yet the guys worried about us being so fast never called once. The truth is the guys that came from Erie would be fast whether we had a 602 or a 604 because we work on our cars 5-7 night's a week. As for the 602 I have for sale its not mine it's my car owners and he wants to sell it. The whole basis of the meeting was to make late models work in wny. The Lamot class is going on its 5 th or 6 th year now and car counts are dwindling there to. My attack on the Bennett family and Mike may have been a little out of line but this close minded thinking is getting very old. You can honestly sit there and tell me you would rather race against 6 cars rather than 15 or 20.
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Mr wylie the race of champions in oswego only drew 20 cars from all over the state so what makes you think Holland can get 15-20 cars weekly?The whole latemodel (asphalt) series is in trouble.Tracks cant pay enogh in purse money to want to keep latemodels coming back so what the LAMOT series didi what was necessary to continue to race these cars and not loose your arse(thats german for you know what)to continue to rum weekly!.Contrary to what Groundpounder said it is not a failed experiment because there average car count was equall to or higher than every otjer track in new york running latemodels(except for a couple big money shows)
So to keep on bitching about Holland and LAMOT is getting real old!If you wand to race a latemodel im western New York get a 602 (thay you can also race at other tracks since everyone is combining motor rules) or keep the car in the shop and look at it say man i wish i could race!
PS:604s and602s have a totally different horsepower and torque curve that weight breaks dont take in account so maybe thats why nobody wants wants to put one in to go race at holland but hat do i know?
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Nope no 31 charger. I know our team sold 2 hornets that will be at Holland this summer...
What are your plans Jeff?
See you at the Big10 meeting Ted
11, 29, 32, and 96 will be back in the Hornets.
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I say 15-20 because last Cpl years of the US Open we have had 15-20 cars of local guys. Now this year would have been the trial period to get the rules even for built and crates but it could work. I was at Delaware speedway big race Cpl years ago and they had built motors 602 and 604 crates and ASA 604 crates and all 4 combinations were in the top 5 at the end of the race and they had 48 cars there. I am well aware of the power bands and it could still be evened up with weight. Part of the Lamot concern was spending more money to build the class. So y couldn't we figure it out with weight or different chips or whatever not buy new motors. The point was to at least try it out. Lake Erie failed because they had zero tech and opened up the rules to much. There are still plenty of late models around that by 2014 you could be looking at a 15-20 car field.
I will not buy a new 602 to cone there I will travel with my 604 and run the imca type mod at Erie against 24 cars every week And race for a NASCAR championship. And hey my family has won over 200 races and 14 championships but what do we know. Ps that last part was sarcasm I just want to work to bring late model racing back strong again.
If anyone wants to talk to me my # is 716-472-8873
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it is not a failed experiment because there average car count was equall to or higher than every otjer track in new york running latemodels(except for a couple big money shows)
Translation: "We had 8 cars and the rest only had 7! We must be doing something right!" LMAO
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Matt 86 let me also add they still have a track to race in western New York.Now I am LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!So it might have failed in some aspects but in others they are still around.and we cant say that about the 604 and open motor latemodels can we?
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Matt 86 let me also add they still have a track to race in western New York.Now I am LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!So it might have failed in some aspects but in others they are still around.and we cant say that about the 604 and open motor latemodels can we?
Or said another way, "Nobody wants to play with me but I have a basketball court in my backyard."
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I feel the LAMOT experiment has not gone as well as some had hoped. It hasn't been a smash hit but it also is not a failure either. They do get the 10 cars every week AND most importantly they have a place to play every Saturday.
I feel that with one or two guys with some more late model experience coming in and joining the class it would help the class grow. It's like the Bills signing a big name free agent versus an unproven rookie.
I understand there are issues on both sides...as an outsider my only interest is simply more cars = better racing. JMO TC31
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Matt 86 let me also add they still have a track to race in western New York.Now I am LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!So it might have failed in some aspects but in others they are still around.and we cant say that about the 604 and open motor latemodels can we?
Well that may be true in Western New York. But not for the Late Models in General, There are Built Motor cars and 604 cars running at a number of tracks and there numbers dwarf the 602 LAMOT cars. But, I don't think the Late Model Class is healthy anywhere because of cost but just as LAMOT failed to generate more cars I believe that the attempt by other tracks to cheapen up this class will only hasten its demise. The guys that are running the Built/604 Cars today for the most part don't seem to want the rules dumbed down or a better term i guess would be cheapened up. That is not the type of Cars they want to run, I have heard of many teams that are just deciding its time to sell their stuff off down south and move on to a new hobby or just stay home.
This is unfortunate for racing in general but tracks seem unwilling to stick it out and try to grow the class that exsists today (I know it would painfully slow) so they are making changes that will probably be the death of the class.
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You cant compare guys showing up to holland to guys driving 2 hours to go to erie....There was a meeting with cars that mainly were from WNY who just wanted to race and show up to holland.....
The problem is the lamot guys (except Eldon)..Who love to come home and tell all their friends about there TOP 5 this week...They love to rack up them top 5's in their 8 car fields....They dont want to run 10th a half a lap back they want to run 4th a half a lap back....So it comes down to instead of combining the 8 602's with the 8 604's and having 15-20 cars...The lamot guys will have their 8 car field for the 3rd year in a row....congrats!
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Who's racing what this coming season at Holland? Schedule is out, rules to be out next week or two...
Cool to see ROC mods back and the Big10 Supers got 2 shows I'm excited to see.
31,17,3 hornets will be back and 31 pro-mod too
Ill make a couple shows...
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I would be interested to see one or two guys buy a 602 crate for one season. It's about $3200. Try running the car under LAMOT specs and see if they like it.
At the end of the year if they want out they can turn around and sell the used 602 to guys like the super stocks, dirt sportsman...etc for around half at least.
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if we were allowed to buy used motors and have them checked by AL maybe some of us would have thought about it.
its pritty bad when people like "paint guy" are LMAO about the non LAMOT teams not having a place to race this year. I'm glad to see you find humor in that cause its not your time and money that now sits parked. I would love to know how you would feel in this situation if roles were reversed. What you fail so horribly to realize is if all of us turn our backs and sell everything than you can kiss the class good bye locally. this LAMOT deal isn't gonna last with 8 or 9 cars either!!!
you can talk engine specs all you want. if other tracks are racing 602 and 604 then whty couldnt we try it. thats all we were asking which was turned down.
Its simple physics weight slows you down and costs nothing since we all have it
i'm sure there will be some witty response to this so make it a good one :o
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Jeff read the lamot rules. You can buy a used 602 and have it sealed by Al and use it.
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My responses were not meant to be witty they are just showing my displeasre of everyone talk sh_t about LAMOT for the last 6 years and now that there is no where to race a late model in western newyork everyone wants to race with the LAMOTS.There is a simple solution do what the lamots did buy a 602 and there shocks and go racing(all of those guys made the invest so why cant you guys?)A used 602 is cheaper than a freshen up of an open motor or buying a fancy cheating legal carb for a 604 so what is the big issue just to conform to lamot rules?
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me &my race buddy marc, caugt a show at hollad last season- our favs in no order was chargers, mods @hornets, dont understand the 6 car lamot cars, no matter how much the anouncher was touting them up! the local fans wernt into it ,holland is an awsome paved track ,why run a class that fans dont know (or care ) about ?
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Like Jeff I didn't know you could run used 602s either, so I checked and turns out it's true effective this year...
Directly from LAMOT website:
*602 engines used outside of the division will be permitted for use provided they are inspected beforehand. This will be in effect for 2013.*
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maybe one of us can find an engine to put under our "fancy cheating carb" that passes all tech everywhere. its funny how you say we all talk @^&* and listen to you. PRICELESS! your a true advocate for late model racing
And no i didnt know your rules had changed on used motors
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I'd like to ad my 2 cents on this topic. Why would anyone that's genuinely interested in asphalt stockcar racing or the future of asphalt Latmodels shoot down any idea that might bolster or atleast shore up the division without actually TRYING to run them together. How can anyone say it can't work if you don't TRY. Weight, Left side%, Restricter plate, Carb, open your minds & work it out, ::) He!! tie an anchor on the back, what ever. Any things better than watching this asphalt game go down the tubes. People need to put there ego's & agendas aside & think about the big picture. In my honest opinion this is 1 of those things you half to TRY before saying it won't work & if it doesn't work atleast you can say that you TRIED.
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On lamot or late models at Holland. If you have latemodel style car to race and the only place you can race that car is Holland( because they are the only track that even comes close to your car) you change your car to that tracks rules. They have had rules in place. If you want to race your car then change to their rules, if not just let it sit. It comes down to racing your car in Holland or travel to what Pittsburgh every weekend. If you have the money to travel that far then you have the money to change your car to their rules IF YOU WANT TO. Its your car do what you want! Street stocks or super stocks or hobby stocks what ever you call them, if they want to race another track for what ever reason they usually have to change their cars.
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well said hitman !!!!!
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I'm not sure if I am qualified to discuss this or not, I do however, think that some of you out there need to take of your blinders, stop kissing Holland speedways ***** and realise that the move to that class was not in the best interest of racers, more so it was in the tracks best interest( IE $300.00 to win) The very concept of this restricted type car was to satisfy a few (whiners) at the cost of many. I Agree that costs had gotten out of hand. I was not in favor of the approach they took . I didn't like it then and I still don't like it. I personally didn't want any thing to do with that type car, but then after some thought,(beer causes me to make some bad decisions) I decided it might be fun to beat the whiners at their own game .Guess what, the whiners are still there.
Yes any track you choose to run you must at least make an attempt to run your car within the guidelines of the rule book. This could have been done differentlybut some choose to remain closed minded. the combining of cars with varying engines is not a new concept. It could have worked . Holland could have had more cars .
The problem of car counts is not confined to western NY and some track owners have done the unthinkable, they have actually worked together to combine rules in order to increase car counts. ( check out southern super series) Many of us made an attempt to work towards a viable solution to the problem here in western NY. I thank them for their efforts and interest.
I obviously do not have all the answers , I do have many thoughts and opinions , so if any one wants to bring a case of pilsner to continue this I would be more than happy to. until then I will focus my efforts else where.
Glenn Waldron
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I don't want to really get involved in this discussion... but i can't ignore the obvious...
If the Late Model you work on, or you drive, or you own didn't support the Lake Erie WEEKLY late model program in 2012 ( and by support, i mean actually showing up and racing at MOST of thier races) then by all means - PLEASE shut up....
Erie had a nice program for real, pro late models, that PAID WELL and only 5-6 cars went EVERY WEEK, and now they dropped the class due to no support... please quit trying to drag other classes down with you.
I know of 2 Western New York teams that each have more than 1 race cars - and they couldn't find a way to bring ONE CAR and race at Erie on a NON-TBRA race nite...
The WNY Pro-style (604 crate) Late Models are all in a bed that they made themselves...
Everyone got what they wanted - leave the LAMOT cars out of the mess you guys made for yourselves.
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What is obvious to me is :
If you do not want to be involved in a discussion then you shouldn't be.
Holland could have had more cars
Erie lost cars due to a perceived lack of tech and racers wondering what they were racing against
I did work on a car that raced at Erie In a non TBRA race
late models did not make their own bed ... track owners ,so called promoters and disillusioned racers helped
Lamot could have been done much differently and is obviously not the answer
Everyone did not get what they want.
Common rules should have been in place many , many years ago.
If we do nothing ,nothing will change.
Glenn waldron
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The 65, 56, 48, 29 and 3 late models at Erie are the only cars who have a legit reason to be upset. Those guys supported the weekly show, that PAID WELL, even if they couldnt afford to or if it was in thier best interest to race elsewhere. And ALL FIVE guys said the same thing: "If we dont keep showing up, Erie will probably drop the class. The rest of the WNY cars didn't sacrifice for the good of the sport. Those cars did.
There was even a few meetings to gather ideas to help increase car count - and still you guys weren't even at those meetings. It's easy to see what's going on now, the cars that didn't support a well paying weekly show are upset. Holland could have more cars - ERIE COULD HAVE TOO. If you guys would've shown up.
I get it, I'm upset too. We have no place to race our cars. But Unless you're affiliated with the 65, 56, 48, 29 or 3 late models, stay out of it. Leave the LAMOT cars alone. At least they all show up for each other.