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RaceNewYork Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: racing99 on November 09, 2012, 06:24:32 PM
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It has been made official Austin will be driving the #3 car in the 2014 season any thoughts on this i feel thats bull that number should never see the track again :o
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if hes gonna use the 3, he should change it to a different font
EXACTLY!!!
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what grandson wants... grandson gets
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if hes gonna use the 3, he should change it to a different font
Childress said if he ever brought it back, it wouldn't be the same style #3
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if hes gonna use the 3, he should change it to a different font
Childress said if he ever brought it back, it wouldn't be the same style #3
I'm betting it will be very similar and the car will be black.
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Gator boy and others hate to burst your bubble but the 3 was Childress number way before SR. Ran it. I love SR. But if Dale Jr.has no problem with it then I don't either.Austin is a hell of a racer I don't care if its good equipment you still have to have talent and he has shown he has it
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yeah.. i do remember now that it was rcr number before hand... just not a fan of dilloni guess...
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AND the #44 is back with a new team & Rutty is driving it.
Yep, it's RC's # and he can do as he pleases with it. Most likely why Happy is leaving RC [5's a crowd] and Gaughn is back with RC in the Nationwide series.
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YOU HONESTLY THINK THEY ARE GONNA CHANGE FONT, IF THEY WERE GONNA DO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT THIS YEAR IN THE OTHER 2 SERIES
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Watching the kid recently, I think the numeral zero would be more appropriate for his car.
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http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/8133780/austin-dillon-open-driving-no-3-car-sprint-cup-series (http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/8133780/austin-dillon-open-driving-no-3-car-sprint-cup-series)
Dillon picked up his first career Nationwide victory last week at Kentucky, and Childress said after the win he'd be open to moving the number up with his grandson. But he'd want the number to have a different style from how Earnhardt had it designed, and he'll only ever let an Earnhardt or a Dillon use the number.
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Why would Joonyer have any say in it?
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Why would Joonyer have any say in it?
Absolutely nothin'...Junior pretty much said as much after winning the Daytona raceHe's with Hendrick now; the deal put together with him in the Wrangler #3 Nationwide car had both Childress & Terersa's blessing...Doubt in would ever happen again but then again--
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Don't really have a problem with the #3 coming back, it belongs to Childress and he can bring it back if he feels it is something he wants to do. That being said, I wish it was coming back with a driver who could do justice to the legacy of the number. Not bashing Austin, ut I'm not all that sold on his ability. His ARCA and truck numbers were decent, but keep in mind his ARCA success came with the resources of a major Cup organization behind him and it looked to me like they pretty much had the field covered from an equipment and technology standpoint more than Austin's talents behind the wheel. I guess I just have a hard time with someone for whom a Cup seat in a top notch ride is a birthright, rather than something earned through talent and on track results. I know that is the way things are today, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll do better than I'm expecting.
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There were a lot of the same questions surrounding Dale Sr. when Childress got him...Dale's been gone for almost 12 years, Build a bridge...and GET OVER IT!!!
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There were a lot of the same questions surrounding Dale Sr. when Childress got him...Dale's been gone for almost 12 years, Build a bridge...and GET OVER IT!!!
Beg to differ Mr Paz. DE sr got the ride based on his talent that those around him could see. Not because daddy Ralph opened any
doors for him or that Dale looked good in a beach photo shoot. Your right though, today's NASCAR is much different (as we all know has
been beaten to death) but it still bothers the loyal sr fans that the 3 would be back with other than Earnhardt blood behind the wheel.
A true testament of his legacy. Personally , like the 61, I think the #3 should be retired (and I was never DE fan)
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Before the 3 was a property of Childress, it was a Jr. Johnson property. So, it already had legend power behind it before Dale Sr. took it to new heights.
It is difficult to build a case for retiring a number in NASCAR. I think its great that 61 is retired, considering it is the only one NASCAR ever has retired. But if the 3 was to be retired, then certainly the 43 should be retired as well. Petty and Earnhart each had seven championships, but remember, Earnhardt's first came in the number 2 car. So, Petty's number is a no brainer. And it won't be long before the 48 has six championships which could easily be followed by the seventh (I think 10 is not out of reach for that team). So then, of necessity, 48 would have to be retired as well. So, based on stats, there are four numbers to retire right away. If we decide to retire numbers based on popular drivers who died, then the number of retired numbers would be even higher. And since NASCAR only allows numbers between 0 and 99, given time there could be too many numbers retired to assign to a full field.
I think I have have to agree with our Moderator on this issue; we do need to "get over it".
If we want to consider that the Dillon kids aren't worthy of wearing the number 3, well, that's a different discussion. Is Almirola worthy of the 43? Is Hornish (current driver) or Lagano (next year) worthy of the 22? Is anybody worthy of the 21 (my personal all time favorite was Pearson)?
Difficult discussion...
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I might be wrong but I believe that the France family owns all of the numbers for NA$CAR and they alone have final say on who is assigned each number.
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I might be wrong but I believe that the France family owns all of the numbers for NA$CAR and they alone have final say on who is assigned each number.
It's the fact, Jack!!!
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Retiring a number won't work--there were several racing drivers whose car was #3 WAY before Dale Sr.--and the Dillon boys have been racing the#3 pretty much all their careers...and,yes, because of Grandpa's what?
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Young Austin Dillon's IMCA @ Volusia 2007
Retire the design of the number, yes...but not the number itself; There's no thought being given here to those up-and-coming drivers who may have been inspired to get into racing by Dale Sr. and after running it their whole career, now they can't use it? It's absurd. Dale Jarrett ran the #88 before Jr. His Dad ran #11 way before Denny Hamlin; James Hylton ran #48 for years--before 5-time! Cotton Owens ran #6 before Martin did, Childress ran #2 WAYYY before Brad Keselowski. The "retiring" of numbers is more common in the "stick-and-ball" sports because the team owns the number, NOT the league(NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA etc.). NASCAR teams don't work the same way but they could "retire" the number as Jack Roush has done temporarily with the 6 at times! NASCAR's history is full of drivers who ran numbers on race cars far before the teams and drivers of today! Besides, Childress has effectively "retired" the number for all intents and purposes by continuing its lease of the number from NASCAR so as to honor the legacy of his best friend. Yessir, NASCAR "owns the numbers and they decide who gets them BUT they do give first "right of refusal" to the current lessee; in this day and age of NASCAR and the money it generates, Childress and the other owners have invested significant chunks of money to establish the teams "brand identity". Ironically, Childress (along with Teresa's help) created the design of the number 3 that so many idolize. so Sr. was one of the first to reap the benefits of ALL THAT MONEY many on here complain about! So Dale was able to profit" (pun intended) from NASCAR's love of money but at least he realized it was NASCAR's "game" and knew he should abide by its rules in order to participate in racing--and make money by doing so.
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That being said, I wish it was coming back with a driver who could do justice to the legacy of the number.
Word on the street is that Jr and Kyle Bush were switched at birth. Put Kyle in the #3, he'd make Sr. proud :)
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Everybody wants to complain about Grampa's money.... Y'all seem to forget, they didn't get the last name "Dillon" because the bought it. Their dad (Mike Dillon) was a competitor and crew chief, as well.
Richard does right by his family, what's not to respect there? The boys - both Austin and Ty - RACED to get where they are. Yes, they can afford good equipment, but how do you know they didn't get told the same thing Kasey Kahne did? "Wreck it three times, and you're coming home and done racing."
We can all presume to know what Sr. would think of the state of racing in this day and age, but unless they develop visiting hours in Heaven, none of us ever will. And Junior decided to break from his father's company to be his own man, and get away from his step-mother.
Richard is very hands-on with his grandsons. He monitors their races, dirt and asphalt, and how well they are doing, or not. And I am sure he has THOSE talks with them when their performance is not to his level.
And on the retiring of numbers thing, retire the #43. Retire the #42. Because the last time those cars did well, there was a Petty behind the wheel.
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Holy crud. Let it go already. It's just a number. We let go of the silence on lap 3, holding 3 fingers up on the 3rd lap, etc. Sr. Was a tough SOB and would likely think this was just stupid. Honor his memory by remembering him on the day he passed and reminiscing about is wins and antics. It's just a number.
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Everybody wants to complain about Grampa's money.... Y'all seem to forget, they didn't get the last name "Dillon" because the bought it. Their dad (Mike Dillon) was a competitor and crew chief, as well.
Richard does right by his family, what's not to respect there? The boys - both Austin and Ty - RACED to get where they are. Yes, they can afford good equipment, but how do you know they didn't get told the same thing Kasey Kahne did? "Wreck it three times, and you're coming home and done racing."
We can all presume to know what Sr. would think of the state of racing in this day and age, but unless they develop visiting hours in Heaven, none of us ever will. And Junior decided to break from his father's company to be his own man, and get away from his step-mother.
Richard is very hands-on with his grandsons. He monitors their races, dirt and asphalt, and how well they are doing, or not. And I am sure he has THOSE talks with them when their performance is not to his level.
And on the retiring of numbers thing, retire the #43. Retire the #42. Because the last time those cars did well, there was a Petty behind the wheel.
Good point on the Petty references....which brings me to a whole another level. Won't this insane "retiring numbers" notion force NASCAR to get involved with the whole issue? As has been stated previously, the sanctioning body "owns" the numbers--at some point, they have the final say in the whole thing...I don't care if it's the #3, #43 or whatever one you wish to choose, racing numbers should NEVER get retired, I don't care who made it famous. IMHO, of course!
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How about the number 61 on the mod tour? Was that wrong for that to be retired?
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Absolutely not. There will never be another like him.
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Completely agree! There will never be another dale sr either, whether you liked him or not you can't deny that he was a huge part of making NASCAR as popular as it is. And the cicumstances of the ends if his and the Perry's careers are completely different. The 3 might be Childress's and he may have run it first but Earnhardt made the number and nobody in a car that number can hold a candle to what he did. The number deserves to be retired in cup just like richies was in the mods.
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The argument that there were other 3's before him is weak. The simple test is this. Walk up to any even half knowledgeable race fan and ask him who made the
#3 famous in NASCAR. That's your answer. I don't see anything wrong with retired numbers myself but I'm not hung up about it either.
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Hey if the rich lil grandpas boys wanna run the three in cup let them they will have to realize that they will never amount to dale and will never come close to fill the toes let alone his shoes. it sucks they wouldn't just let the number be but there is nothing anybody but Childress can do about it.
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How about the number 61 on the mod tour? Was that wrong for that to be retired?
Apples & oranges (no pun intended!)
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First, NASCAR doesn't own any numbers. Team owners register a number when they start a team, and NASCAR either approves/denies their request for that number. For instance, nobody can run a three digit number in any NASCAR Series. So, you are left with 00 to 99 as your choices.
Second, each year, RCR registers the No. 3 number in Sprint Cup Series. But, since they never enter it in a race, it never shows up on the Owner's Points
Third, or should I say No. 3 and hold up three fingers while doing so, IF RCR chooses to bring back the No. 3 to Sprint Cup Series action, they would need to submit the paint scheme and number to NASCAR for approval. IF they they choose to use the same No. 3 driven to fame by Dale Sr., then that is up to them as they are the registered owners of that TEAM, not the number.
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* To repeat what Dale Jr. said, "There are 10 and 11-year old kids out there that have no idea who Dale Earnhardt is. If Richard wants to run that number, I don't have a problem with him doing that."
* Let's say RCR does run a No. 3 in Sprint Cup, it would be a great way to introduce Dale Earnhardt to all those young kids who have only seen Austin and Ty Dillon running that digit. Thus, it would be a nice bridge between the past and present. Who knows, maybe one of those kids would Tweet about it... ;)
* It's a number, it's being kept in the RCR family and utilized by the team who made it most famous. Not some random team who just wants the number to garner attention and exposure - good and bad.
* IF it's to be brought back into competition, who better than a family member of RC himself?
Just my thoughts, but I don't much about this NASCAR stuff.... :o
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Tim: NASCAR does indeed "own" the numbers: (and this is no reflection or comment on your knowledge). They have the rights to them and get to assign the numbers! Sounds like "ownership" to me!
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2916723 (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2916723)
But what do I know: I was just a lowly announcer while you actually worked for a team!:;)
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How NASCAR allocates car numbers
NASCAR owns and assigns car numbers and licenses them to teams on an annual basis. Teams do not own the numbers. Teams submit to NASCAR requests for a car number.
Depending upon availability, that number is issued via an owner’s license, which is good for a year. However, one team may allow another team to use the number with NASCAR’s approval. For administrative purposes, the official car number may be a three-digit number, however on the car only two digits are displayed (a 100 and 200 would both display as 00). If there is a conflict at any given time, by general procedure, the team submitting an entry form last would have to pick an alternate display number.
Generally, if a team has been using a number that number is re-issued to the same team. If a team relinquishes a number, it reverts back to NASCAR.
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For illustrative purposes:
This is WAY different: (https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy119%2Fraceannouncer%2FDavidPearsonNo3crwikipedia_display_image.jpg&hash=5fb80da4dfd0776f64ccf9c125d10e5ca447d7ed)
than this: (https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy119%2Fraceannouncer%2F03.jpg&hash=e14fffd98e3cb37a8812114d4110c7d0205eb198)
Who's the first one??? Ever hear of David Pearson?
Retire the design, NOT the number! Other people should be free to make their own history with that number!!!
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I know different sports but if NASCAR cares such much about saving the legacy of Dale Earnhardt, maybe they should do what the NHL did and retire the number . There can never be another 99 in NHL, and i believe that is how it should be in NASCAR should never be another 3 in Sprint Car series.
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If NASCAR had retired the "3" for any reason before Childress got it, this whole Dale Sr. "retire the #"discussion would be about another number. So, I my stance is the same as many other up here; it's ONLY a number...preserve and honor his memory, YES, the number, NO!
Chilsress has, in effect" retired it anyway as he leases it before anyone else and thus prevents it's use; By the same token, he alone can decide to use it anyway he likes--and if that means if he decides his grand kids can use it, nothing can be done about it...I cant speak for him but my guess is that the Intimidator would have agreed with his boss and easily could have been racing with a different number in the latter stages of his career. And, I believe that Dale would have done anything for RC, including changing his number...but then that whole NASCAR "money-grubbing" condemnation would have reared it's ugly head, too!
"UM": As far as the whole "knowledgeable race fan thing, that also depends on the year as well...when I first became a NASCAR fan, the #28 was definitely Fred Lorezen's number, then Cale Yarborough; For those younger than I, it was attached to Davy Allison, then Ernie Irvan; The no. 12 was always Bobby Allison's; later on it became Jeremy Mayfield's (who cares) then it was Ryan Newman's. For me, this whole retire the #3 has been overblown due to the emotions created by Dale's death, which incidentally, became the catalyst for the myriad of improved safety innovations since that dark day! For my money, that, along with his racing accomplishments should be his legacy, NOT some damn number!!!
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This festuche could be resolved very easily.
I propose that NA$CAR do away with all numbers and each car will be referred to by the drivers name, nickname, car make, sponsor or combination thereof.
Here are some examples. Feel free to add to this list:
Cursin' Kurt Furniture Row Chebby
Jumpin' Jimmie Champ Lowes Chebby
Danica Go Daddy Got Up and Went Chebby
Back Row Joe
Flash Gordon
Five Hour Clint
Rowdy Busch Candymobile
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Isn't that pretty much happening now, anyway???
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"UM": As far as the whole "knowledgeable race fan thing, that also depends on the year as well...when I first became a NASCAR fan, the #28 was definitely Fred Lorezen's number, then Cale Yarborough; For those younger than I, it was attached to Davy Allison, then Ernie Irvan; The no. 12 was always Bobby Allison's; later on it became Jeremy Mayfield's (who cares) then it was Ryan Newman's. For me, this whole retire the #3 has been overblown due to the emotions created by Dale's death, which incidentally, became the catalyst for the myriad of improved safety innovations since that dark day! For my money, that, along with his racing accomplishments should be his legacy, NOT some damn number!!!
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Paz by accident you "lowered" Dale sr to the level of this fine group of racers you list here. That is my point really. Again ask that same group of half knowlegable
fans what (or who even) Fred Lorezen's number was. Or Bobby Allison (who drove different cars) and Ernie Irvan? Sorry, not on the same plane as Dale sr.
How many baseball fans today ever saw Babe Ruth play? How many know what is number is? ( I'm thinking nearly all baseball fans know) The year is moot
in my mind. The act of retiring a number is an honor of the highest degree. It should be reserved for those that "played" at the very highest level of their
game. So called impact players...game changers if you will. In the NASCAR world the #3 that we all know (and some love) is just such a "player".
( yes the 43 could be in the mix too)
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Just an FYI: Richard Petty is on the record as saying that he never wants the number 43 to be retired........
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Ditto what Mike said. I also was not a fan. But if you think the 61 was a good thing to retire why not the 3. Those two drivers made the greatest impact of any driver ever on their respective divisions, and were most associated with those numbers than any other driver. Also in case anyone forgot, Richie and Dale lost there lives while driving. What better way to honor a deserving driver. I also think the 43 might be deserving some day, but last I knew Richard was still ALIVE! and at least (arguably) somewhat active in racing.
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To clarify what uticamike said about Babe Ruth and his number 3 being retired. MLB did not retire his number, the NY Yankees did along with 15 others starting with Lou Gehrig's #4.
Jackie Robinson's #42 is the only number retired by MLB. Apparently symbolism trumps baseball talent.
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Oh, and FWIW I never saw Babe Ruth play. ;)
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The number doesnt make the man..............
Who gives a f&*k let him run it!!!!
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Once again I refer to the case, if NASCAR announced tomorrow that they will not allow retired numbers and Ted Christopher decided to run a car with billy naz as the crew cheif and the number 61 you would all flip out (as would I) richie and Earnhardt fall in the same category of changing the sport forever and paying the ultimate price doing so.
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I don`t think that it should be about the number on a car . It`s about the peaple who drive the car ! Sr is a legend . Tis the way it is . The number never had anything to do with THAT !!!
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I am now bowing out on this discussion; the opposing sides will never change their respective stances on this to change each other's ground. Obviously, it's a very polarizing subject, mostly due the emotions involved...
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Maybe you should lock this one too......with 3 locks ;) <-------- is a wink. Sarcasm.....not Gomer quality but a fleeting attempt.
end of post ....(finally)
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How about the number 61 on the mod tour? Was that wrong for that to be retired?
Racers have Respect for Richie, thats why no one runs the number.
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Just as long as he doesn't try to take the #10.
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Paul - please don't compare Jimmie Johnson to Dale. Dale made Childress what it is. Jimmie just climbed aboard something that was already there.
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A -men to that.
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If 7 time champ Petty would have died on the last lap of daytona in 1986 I bet his fans would want the #43 retired. The difference between Petty and Big E is Ridhard Petty still registers #43 and his family probably always will. I really dont have a problem with the the #3 returning but its very comical. Why on earth would these Dillion kids want to live in someone elses shadow. It's obvious Dale Jr didn't want to after that win in the #3 wrangler nationwide car. Jr said that was for the fans and it was the last time he wanted to run it.
I wonder if Childress really thinks he is going to profit off of this with t-shirt sales and cowboy hats...I just puked