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RaceNewYork Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: benjaminracing33 on May 21, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
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the flaggers at dunn hill 2 wait for the last second to throw the yellow flag out when a car is setting in the coner stalled and cant get refired when the leaders are comming into three and they never throw the yellow but if it was someone eles when they spin out they would throw the yellow i would see that as a saftey issue ive seen two or three cars get torn up due to the flaggers waiting to the last second or not throwing the yellow going back to the first or second week there was a street stock side ways down on pit road blocking the exit too the pits and they waited for a car to wreck on the track before they threw the yellow at all there is alot of favortism with other drivers too they wonder why cars are leaving that track to go race somewhere differnt due to cars getting torn up every week or other drivers using them as a wall guide i know if things dont change up there more cars are going to leave that track cause alot of people dont want to have to throw alot of money in there cars week in and week out but that just what i think
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I can assure you there is no favoritism at Dunn Hill 2 and If you believe so give me an example! The yellow comes our as soon as there is a safety concern with ANY car on the track the staff is always looking to make things safer for the drivers and cars instead of complaining on a web site why don't you bring your concerns to the staff at the track!! As far as your whole favoritism thing goes I think they would DQ their own brother !!
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already did they didnt do a damn thing about it and if you dont see the favortism there then you must be blind cause ive seen it first hand and the thats the only reason why i brought it up
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Now lets think about that whole post for a minuet. You are saying that the caution is thrown for some drivers and not for others or we wait to long to throw the caution. We try to give a driver a chance to get the car fired on their own before we throw a caution. We are tired of drivers using the yellow flag repair kit night after night. We have a three spin rule or lets call it a three caution rule. If you are involved in three cautions or bring out the caution three times in one feature you are black flagged. We don't care who it is or what your last name is for that matter. We have a time limit on all races and we have to stick by it. The fans and drivers don't want to be there all night either waiting for us to line the cars up 10 different times in one feature so we wait to see if a spun driver will go on his own before throwing the caution, which allot of times they do. If you have a scanner in your car, which all drivers are required to have, you know the tower tells you where a car has spun and where to go to avoid it. As far as the car blocking the pit exit during the street stock feature i remember it clear. The caution stayed out till the exit was cleared by the tow truck. The tow truck went outside the track to get the car. When turn three flagger made us aware the corner was cleared we went green. That is one thing about dunn hill 2 speedway, we don't care who you are everyone is treated equal. If we play favorites give me one example!!!
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The driver knows better than the flagger whether or not it's safe for him to pull back into traffic . If a car stops in a bad spot throw the damn flag !!! God forbid somebody gets hurt while you try to teach them a lesson for holding up 'your' show !!!
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well when the leaders are comming into three a car is stalled in four i would see that as a saftey issue and i do have a scanner its set on race track frequency454.000 and the flagger in the inside wall of three is looking right at me i see the cars comming into three my car finally refires at the last second if it doesnt start i got three or four of the top five probally tooken out... and i know the 3 spin rule and i know people set there and wait for the yellow to come out and i wasnt doing that bc i would to do that i would be black flaged but ohwell if some things up there dont change i know me and a bunch of other cars that the track will loose but what do i know im just a driver with an opion for the track to look at but if there not going to look at the opions drivers have then the track will loose cars cause i bet im not the only one with a opion for the track and the favortism thing im not meationing any names bc i dont feel like having someone wreck my car due to somthing said over the internet
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If there is a driver in a bad spot we will always throw the caution. There is no lesson to be learned in anyone getting hurt. This is something blown out of proportion. Wenever let anyone sit in a dangerous position on the track, so please don't thin like that. If you have any issues you can e mail me on the track website.
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thats funny you have a time frame i have a time frame for the track when someone get seriously hurt due to your time frame my car has a time frame too it can run other tracks in the area there are other tracks out there that actually due care about the saftey of people dunn hill you made a good point on why your losing cars funny thing is ill probally get dq if i race up there friday due to this post but ive been quiet for the first three races but im just tired of the way the track see a saftey issue matter of time before someone gets hurt due to your time frame
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No why would you get DQ'd ? No personal of Dunn hill holds a grudge against a driver or owner for speaking their mind , however if you did have a complaint please go to the track officials and let them know what is is!! Let us explain to you why things are the way they are !! If you get no answers or satisfaction ask the official to talk to Mike or Joe . Just allow us the courtesy of at least trying to address the situation rather than trying to smure the tracks name on race ny!! We hope to see you on Friday and if you have any concerns please come talk to us !
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matt just keep ur mouth shut mike called me and asked whats going on
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why bc im tired of not getting any answers sorry i dont want my car destroyed every week the only reason why it wasnt this last week is bc i pulled it off the track
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and its not to smear the tracks name acrossed the internet or anyone eles name its for the saftey of us drivers and spectators i hope you guys relize this before someone does get hurt
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Wow....just wow.
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Ok well there is a time limit on races so let's look at it this way and you tell me how happy drivers would be!! You have a hour everytime a car gets turned the caution comes out even if the driver is not in any danger you know have Only enough time too compete in 10 laps of racing because the checkerd is thrown at one hour !! Drivers stop on the track because they fall behind this allows him to catch up to the field it's always the same people and is it fair to the rest of the competitors? And how would you feel only racing 10 laps ? would the fans be happy?
Maybe the grass isn't always greener on the other side. The officials have all the other cars and fans to think about maybe they should just keep the racing on the track instead of on the Internet!!
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Matt, your at the drivers meeting every week, you know first hand I do everything I can to make the track a safe place for everyone. So furthermore after the meeting this week when I ask does anyone have anything you can speak up among your fellow drivers and voice any concerns that you do have with your safety and the safety of your competitors.
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I wish everyone who complains about track officials doing a bad job could try to do the job they do--especially tech,the flaggers, the promoters/owners and concessions staff! They all work very hard to do their best to make any facility successful! Having worked with many of these people, I know for sure many of them are overworked, underpaid and disrespected--hell, some of them are volunteers but one thing they all have in common is an undying passion for the sport and unlike some drivers, they don't whine or complain (as much)...
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I wish everyone who complains about track officials doing a bad job could try to do the job they do--especially tech,the flaggers, the promoters/owners and concessions staff! They all work very hard to do their best to make any facility successful! Having worked with many of these people, I know for sure many of them are overworked, underpaid and disrespected--hell, some of them are volunteers but one thing they all have in common is an undying passion for the sport and unlike some drivers, they don't whine or complain (as much)...
Cha-ching. Attaboy given. 8)
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If there is a driver in a bad spot we will always throw the caution. There is no lesson to be learned in anyone getting hurt. This is something blown out of proportion. Wenever let anyone sit in a dangerous position on the track, so please don't thin like that. If you have any issues you can e mail me on the track website.
GEEZ, IMAGINE THAT! WHAT A GREAT IDEA!
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Hey Mr. Paz, I still use your "church of the yellow flag" analogy in my announcing. I first heard it from you. Now John Burr is using it also! I doubt that's the issue that's being discussed here but made me think of it.
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its funny cause im not whinning or complaing im just saying
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There is definetly NO Favorites at Dunn Hill.. These guys aren't even from around the area .... Everyone says Maynards and Sites get special treatment.. bullSh*t. there not afraid to DQ anyone... ( dq'd a sites this week) Not saying that the tech guys are always right cuz ive had my disagreements with them but atleast they look at stuff and try to get it somewhat on alevel playing field.and bitchin about the track .. guys running up front aren't complaining to much....they tried changing the track to make the drivers happy.. if some guys dont like it well ya cant please everyone...
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raceannouncer, Well said!!
I have to say, Favoritism is not a issue at DH2, Drivers have to earn every grain of dirt all the way to the checkard they can get..
As far as the yellow goes, (No names) there are 2 tracks local that really don't throw the yellow unless absolutely necessary, cars coming or not. I don't feel bashing the track over this issue is necessary, what good can come out of it. Every track has issues just like work places, fast food place, grocery store ect. That is why there is bosses/track officals to go to and work it out.
DH2 has really going on in my eyes, nothing is perfect Hope to see you back on the track.
JMO Which ain't worth *****! lol
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Hey Mr. Paz, I still use your "church of the yellow flag" analogy in my announcing. I first heard it from you. Now John Burr is using it also! I doubt that's the issue that's being discussed here but made me think of it.
Thanks for that! I need to get you guys one of my shirts! All my "deacons" should have one!!!')
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its funny cause im not whinning or complaing im just saying
It's funny 'cause it sure reads that way...just sayin'
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DH2 is doing a great job this year. Of all tracks that I have raced it they actually show initiative to fixing a problem as soon as it is addressed. For example, I am really proud of the track for sending guys to the rear who could not get the concept of pacing the %$&#$%& field during caution laps. That is a simple rule of racing that some guys just could not get. Kudos DH2.
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A face to face meeting with the Owner's, and track officials with proof of instances of favoritism, is the way to handle this situation. The drivers meeting would be a great place I think. Most however would rather use Raceny.
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For the most part i don't see any favoritism. I happen to be the "street stock blocking pit exit"... on my way into the pits i got full bore rear ended sideways down the shoot...sat there a while before any caution was sent. turn 3 flagger just kinda chilled out. overall its not too bad tho. they could be a little quicker on them. if a caution is needed throw it! single file cars, line them up, if they ain't listenin or dont have scanners...they go to the back. there problem. I just wish we could get a somewhat smooth racing surface. the ruts in the track are unreal ::)
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Turn 3 Flaggers are usually out to lunch.
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Anyone remember way back when, when there used to be a rule in all rules books that stated a driver MUST have a valid state drivers license to compete? With racers starting out so young, and thus being ready to move up sooner, as well as with the huge increase in DUI's resulting in adults losing their licenses, that rule has disappeared.
I'd like to propose a new one. It'll never happen, but it WOULD without question make racing a much more enjoyable sport and cut way back on the complaining and unfounded accusations of favoritism.
A) Head Flagger
B) Tech Inspector
C) Promoter
D) Head of Track Prep
Proposed Rule: EVERY driver MUST complete a minimum of 3 events performing EACH of the above listed duties. Duties will be performed for little or no pay. If there are any complaints about the way said driver performed their duties for an event, that event will not count toward the required 3 events. Drivers feeling really confident in their abilities MAY at their discretion perform multiple duties per event (hey, why not, many promoters HAVE to because they can't find anyone willing to take the abuse from the racers).
Drivers completing the above requirements will have 2 options.
A) Get out on the track and go racing.
B) Invest 10's or even 100's of thousands of dollars to buy or build theirw own track and see how long their impressive average lasts.
Paz beat me to the point, but I'm sure I can count on his vote this year to get this bill pushed through!
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well said bmr69.. its a new surface it will come around.. DH2 has come along way in a short time.. cant forget its a small bull ring so there is going to be alot of tight racing like it or not.. the pay is very resoectable the staff is good to deal with ( generally). If you have an issue go talk to them they will listen bottom line! Not try and ruin themon the internet.. whats that help??? drive 2 hours to race for less money???? that dont seem like a great idea
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ohwell life goes on
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As a outside opinion that really isn't good for anything other than entertainment, I can see why they might hold the caution a LITTLE longer for a street stock or 4 cylinder type car. They SHOULD be able to get restarted on their own in a short amount of time. However, if we are talking an IMCA, late model, DIRT mod or anything that uses a Bert-type tranny, throw the caution immediately because they are alot harder to get going. It will actually save time in the long run
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if was favored then they'd penalize all the IMCAs that have ran me over this year, i go home with a bent racecar every week and i rarely complain cause i know that it racing.
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Not part of any of this other then watching my nephew (Nick) kick some butt there. My point however is being that flagger on the corner for many years. You made a call that is cheered by some and boo by the others. Sometimes we have just a few split seconds to make a call that we see at the moment. I am watching the calls coming at me and may not have seen what the original problem started with. We also many times stand there like damn fools with our bodies being in a great psoition of harm at times. I loved doing the job and all of the 10 seconds I enjoyed of seeing the cars go roaring by me. I made lots of bad call, but I can say never a bad call for SAFETY. Guess I am done for not. Thanks for listening:)
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flaggers where alot quicker with the yellow this week good job this week its a shame when you get ran over know how people feel on that one was there this week had a fast car but some people think that they need to run you over instead of racing you heads up had a torn up racecar almost every week that ive been there and i barely ever complain about anything i was just saying how it could have been alot worse the fourth week for my car i have alot of time and money and low sponsarships that want me to race every week i can
i know i havent raced every week due to early family issue but i want to be able to race every week and still have time for my daughter who is currenlty at guiseinger hospital in the nic unit getting stronger every week but i wont be able to race every week if i have a torn up car for all who is consered how she is doing she is over 4lbs she is doing amazing but still has a feeding tube hopefully she will come home monday but only time will tell when she does come home
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flaggers where alot quicker with the yellow this week good job this week its a shame when you get ran over know how people feel on that one was there this week had a fast car but some people think that they need to run you over instead of racing you heads up had a torn up racecar almost every week that ive been there and i barely ever complain about anything i was just saying how it could have been alot worse the fourth week for my car i have alot of time and money and low sponsarships that want me to race every week i can
i know i havent raced every week due to early family issue but i want to be able to race every week and still have time for my daughter who is currenlty at guiseinger hospital in the nic unit getting stronger every week but i wont be able to race every week if i have a torn up car for all who is consered how she is doing she is over 4lbs she is doing amazing but still has a feeding tube hopefully she will come home monday but only time will tell when she does come home
WOW, the longest sentence ever posted on RaceNY
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so what who cares idk why you have to put something like that i mean i dont question your long sentces now do i dont believe so and i put somthing about something good that happend this week at the track and about my daughter so if your going to complain about how long my sentces are and bc theres not puncations or proper grammer on a post website then i really dont care what you think about the grammer but really im sorry that your kid is grown up and healthy and mine is still in the nic unit with a tube down here nose now what can i do cupcake who the f*** cares whats really on here like seriously your how old and you just want to start drama on raceny
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i dont have time for your drama i have a life beisdes raceny and my daughter is still fighting for here life and i like seeing here every day i can when im not working to pay here medical bills so if you really want to start drama right nows not the time or place for me right now im telling you that bc right now i just dont give a f about anything but here good health and all the good i hear shes doing for guisinger hospital and the only free time i get from to not think about the hospital is when im on the track competing and all my winnings and this season that the races i can race is donated to my daughter zoey lynn benjamin so i dont want to hear another word about my long setences
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to whom it may concern: most racers draw the caution intentional if something is wrong with their car. most guys will wait til the yellow comes out to refire their cars..and then drive straight to the pits.
In most situations, if you are not in immediate danger on the speedway, then the flagger is right in not throwing the yellow.But safety should always come first..instead of complaining about it, why dont you talk with the owner or officals at the track?
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i think it was all settled friday night in the drivers meeting
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ya alot of it was lol