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Racing Discussion / Re: My view from turn 4
« on: July 31, 2020, 07:48:27 AM »




A "peaceful protester"??















Sorry, I couldn't help myself..............

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"BOZO", do you happen to live within Monroe County? While many of the libraries are closed, as you mentioned, they DO offer "drive up service". You can call ahead, and they'll get the book for you. Also, if a book is within the Monroe County Library System, it can be transferred between libraries within the county, under "normal" circumstances, but I'm not if they're doing that presently.

Good luck with your quest.    I, too, ordered a copy of Lew Boyd's book, and received it a few days ago. So far, I've only skimmed through a couple of chapters, but it looks interesting, and has some good pictures.

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Racing Discussion / Genesee Speedway "busted"
« on: July 28, 2020, 07:33:59 AM »
A list of bars/restaurants in the Rochester area, was posted in today's (07/28) Democrat&Chronicle newspaper, citing various infractions of the state's Covid-19 restrictions, with respect to their operating procedures. Genesee Speedway, in Batavia was also listed as one of the violators, but none of these violations were specifically spelled out, at any of the establishments. A generalization of "patrons not socially distant" was mentioned, however.....

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At the risk of sounding naive, is the valve spring rule designed to keep the engines below a certain RPM range?

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ROC legal valve springs are not legal at Chemung?  Now that's intelligent.

They're regulating valve springs?? What is this, NASCAR Monster Cup racing?

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I certainly hope so!! if there were cars going at full speed and some DUMD ***** did that. its like trying to kill someone!!!

I agree!!


WAY back when, that happened a couple of times at Spencer's, but it was most definitely accidental. That old generator that they had, set up in the old Dodge milk truck, in the center of the infield, would get a little "cranky" at times....


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Did they get to race and if so who won?I know the New York Super Stocks were supposed to be there.I would also like to mention that all of this infighting on this site should stop and all racers be it drivers ,fans,promoters,etc band together for the good of the sport.

"BOZO", it's not infighting, it's discussion. Unfortunately, the "supposed experts" can't seem to come to a unanimous conclusion, which most certainly leaves the general public hanging in the breeze. Furthermore, it's not just for the good of the sport, that the situation gets resolved, it's for the good of the United States, as well as the rest of the world....

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As we all know, there is still a lot of Covid Deaths going on in OUR COUNTRY & the rest of the world. Strong 
 Racers & Fans, We have to HELP STOP the Spread and Think about the Big Picture for now!

"countrydave", there is more than a single viewpoint, when discussing the "big picture". Let me offer a few..........

A) the financial survival of the racetracks, meaning their promoters and staff members. Think along the lines of restaurants, travel agencies and the "corner grocery store", too. They are all "small businesses" that don't necessarily have deep enough pockets to survive, without their usual income stream;

B) the racers themselves. Some actually support themselves with their winnings. No winnings, no income;

C) the parts and tire suppliers. They depend on being able to sell their goods and services, to generate income. AND I'm pretty sure that many of these businesses spent money to bring in inventory for the 2020 season. That inventory has been paid for, and is now sitting;

D) the logistics of most race tracks. Obviously, they are outdoor venues, with plenty of air circulation. Furthermore, most tracks, these days, don't "pack them in" like they used to, in the 60s and 70s. I went to the 3 ROC modified shows at Spencer, last year, and although a majority of the fans were seated between the start line and turn 1, if necessary, people could have EASILY spread out much further, and maintained some distance between each other, and still there would have been some room in the stands;

E) the overhead, even without operating. Race tracks in NY, at best, could get in 10-12 shows. But the track sits there 52 weeks, accruing taxes, etc. Same with the other businesses I mentioned, as they have rent and utilities, etc.

If this crap continues much longer, too many businesses will simply run out of money, and NEVER re-open. Which means hundreds of thousands more people will become unemployed, unable to support themselves.

THEN WHAT?????

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Sadly, I think this "Kung-flu" fiasco is going to sound the death knell for many of New York's motorsports tracks....

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Riverhead is opening Aug 1 with fans..

Chemungs ROC race for August was cancelled? And replaced with a race in Erie PA?

Don't be overly confidant. Just wait until "Commandant Cuomo" hears about it......

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Why cant Spencer run?The ROC mods are supposed to run there Friday July 24th.I have my mask and beer cooler more than ready.

Spencer (as well as other tracks) can't open, because "Commandant Cuomo" isn't a fan of auto racing......

FWIW, consider this...In today's edition of the Rochester newspaper, there's an extensive article on how 4100 casino workers, in NY State, just received lay-off notices. Think about that, for a moment. Casinos, the venues that just 3-4 years ago, were touted as the saviors of the NY economy, and therefore received a significant amount of state provided funding and tax breaks, are now sitting idle, running up debt and collecting dust....at the taxpayers expense. And you think Andy is in the slightest way, concerned about motorsports facilities???


Welcome to the "new abnormal", folks, and don't forget this at the ballot box, this coming November, if you don't want this to be the way we live out the rest of our lives.

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I cant understand how Gov.Cuomo can let bars,malls stores etc. remain open and not let the racetracks open with fans.I think this coming Friday would be a great night to open Spencer.

I agree with you, 100%, but as long as "Commandant Cuomo" is enjoying his "power trip", and possibly his POTUS campaign (GASP!!), there'll be no racing in NY. Just remember what he did to the Syracuse track!!

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/"Putting a kibosh on racing is telling us, from a governmental point of view, "no, we do not trust you to be responsible adults."

Hmm, not exactly.  If this were true the governmental point of viewers would put a stop to all the protesters and in fact many of these governmental point of viewers are encouraging and abetting this behavior.  If a protest was scheduled to take place at a racetrack the protest would go on as planned.  Of course we know protesters are immune to "the virus" ;)  The truth is that racing and race fans doesn't fit the narrative, yet the chaos and destruction caused by protesters does.  Isn't it funny(??) how that works*


"2300", I know that in an earlier comment, it was mentioned that politics don't belong in "racing" discussions, but today it seems that those lines have been justifiably blurred. In that vein, I can't help but wander off the initial focus of this discussion, for just a moment, and remind folks that if you vote Democrat, this November, you can expect more of this totalitarian rule.

And in closing, while I'm not totally in love with President Trump, I find him far more attractive than the alternatives. And if desired, we can move this to the "off topic" section.....

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... but yeah, the amount of power and control the governor's office has in setting uneven criteria for activities that are equally low risk is absolutely terrifying. Before this is all over and done with, entire industries will have vanished and 1000's of small and regional businesses will be gone. But hey, at least the numbers are down now that he killed off the most vulnerable, and can use this as a political chip heading into the election cycle.


I agree!

All so  sad really. People on here and other sites have long complained about politics on a (fill in the blank) site.  "This is a racing site, don't talk about politics I have no interest" Paraphrasing but the point?  It cannot be separated since it has crept into every aspect of our lives. We are witnessing a throttled up attempt to remove even more of our rights by an emboldend Progessive political monster that has had the slow encroachment of those rights curtailed by the election of Donald Trump. The do nothing weak kneed opposition (Republican party) is feckless and  just along for the ride. They have no spine when it comes to our personal LIBERTY.

How sad to read the defeatisum in the words of Leadfoot as he proclaims the end of our sport.

The big gun grab coming from the Left just may start the second American cvil war.. something I thought I'd never see in my life time.
If you like your way of life..well you just might have to go and fight to preserve it.

"UM", I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think that I'm promoting "defeatism". I feel that I'm just being realistic. I celebrated another birthday a few days ago, and it scares me that I'm getting really close to 70 years of age. I've been an automobile racing enthusiast/participant for over 60 of those years, and although it brings me no pleasure, I've witnessed the steady decline of the sport. And while many race tracks were, at one time, "out in the boondocks", therefore slightly noticed, over time, the population has moved to where the tracks are, and suddenly the tracks have become a problem.

My comments are nothing more than a reflection of the times.



If the race tracks donated as much money to the political campaigns like Wal Mart does, they would be able to open

You got that right!!

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I agree!  The ambiguity and resulting confusion seems to come from the lack of distinction between state horse race tracks and auto racing facilities...It's only my unguided interpretation and opinion!  (I would love to speak with long-time Holland track owner and attorney, Ron Bennett, regarding his opinion about ALL this!!!)

I think there's a VERY big distinction between horse racing and auto racing, and it isn't about "horsepower"....horse racing is a gambler's sport, and the gambling generates tax revenue, which won't be curtailed, as the state desperately needs money. This need has ALWAYS been there, as the Democrats didn't earn their moniker, "tax and spend Democrats", by being frugal. But given the current situation, they need the money even more. Auto racing, on the other hand, doesn't generate that type of income.

Over the past few weeks, we've seen the ability of many New York State dirt tracks to open.  Lebanon Valley, Fonda, Utica-Rome, Outlaw (Dundee), Albany-Saratoga, Canandaigua, and Thunder Mountain come quickly to mind.  Asphalt tracks, on the other hand, have not opened.  Not one to the best of my knowledge/memory?  Why such a bifurcated response to the pandemic?  What does this tell us about the health of the short track racing industry?

From what I understood, through my participation in the other, related thread, I believe that the dirt tracks got together and signed up for a "pay per view" deal, so they can run without a packed grandstand, and still make money (hopefully). The paved tracks didn't do this, so they lost out.



Short tracks of all types of racing endured at least two terrible seasons due to inclement weather so I wouldn't be surprised if that plays a role in any decisions regarding ongoing operations or those in the foreseeable future!

Thing is, as long as you don't have any legal restrictions over operations, if the weather looks "iffy", a track owner can still decide to "take a stab at it", and try to get the show in. This year, "Commandant Cuomo" is flexing his muscles, and preventing anything from happening. It's a different set of circumstances.

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