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RaceNewYork Discussion => Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Tigerpaw333 on May 15, 2019, 12:41:06 PM
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With the current state of WNY Asphalt auto racing in this area, i was thinking about how would having ROC become the sanctioning body for this area similar to how DIRT, or NASCAR is for Asphalt. Out of all the Asphalt tracks in the area the only one that is in good shape is Wyoming county. But as a whole i think this idea would help with building back up the asphalt side. Running three or four divisions. Have all similar rules so you can go to any track in the area to race. The four division i would say run are 4 Cylinder, street stocks, super stocks, and sportsman. Keep the Midgets,tour modified and late models as touring only divisions. Can also have tour races for the local track division but used it as extra distance bigger pay events. Not sure what the logistics is to be able to have something like this done. But something needs to be done to keep asphalt racing alive in WNY
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That would be a wonderful idea. Don’t get me wrong, I love Wyoming County but the track is so ruff that the TQ’s cannot run there, it is downright dangerous and the ROC will not there anylonger either. I really wish they would fix the track so we (TQ’s) can run there again. Great track size, friendly management and fans!!!
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I am interested to see what happens at chemung this year. There has been an extreme amount of effort put in by Ellen and Ray hodge. There has been a lot of sweat and frustration that him and his wife have been up against trying to put a facility together for a season with not a lot of outside help and I have heard some of the struggles first hand they have had to deal with and I got to give them a lot of credit. They have put there money where there mouths and are trying to turn things around having 17 or 18 events on the schedule and I heard roughly around 19 sport mods committed this year. Granted a couple of the other classes car counts may struggle but if that car count is accurate I think that is impressive. To get to your point yes the tracks need to work together and have the same rules though I agree.
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To Tigerpaws point the ROC kind of does set the statewide mark. Evans Mills while running the 602 crate in their Sportmods allows builts using the ROC rules to also compete. In this day or dwindling car counts it only makes sense.
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I just have to say that there is a different reason the ROC no longer races at Wyoming(Perry) and it is not because of a rough track.I have asked the guys at the Perry booth at the Motorsports Expo and have never got an honest answer.I used to attend all the great ROC mod shows there dating back to when George Kent was the one to beat and Andrew Harpell owned the ROC series.I think something happened $money wise or some other political reason which is a well kept secret.I did attend one race where the track came apart in turn 4 on a super hot day but that was a one time deal.I know at least one modified hit the first turn wall when a piece of asphalt lodged in his steering system.Thats it discuss folks.
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$$.....Perry is an American Racer tire track and the ROC is a Hoosier tire series....
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Idk if it's all based on the tire per say chemung and spencer were both american racer tracks and roc went to them the past few years
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I think KT has hit the nail on the head also Perry modified races don't draw enough fans to pay the purse. And if the weather is not calling for 75 and Sunny it's a lose-lose situation
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I think KT has hit the nail on the head also Perry modified races don't draw enough fans to pay the purse. And if the weather is not calling for 75 and Sunny it's a lose-lose situation
What's that saying we used? "The greatest show no one saw" :D
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The fact remains that Perry is one of the best tracks around to watch full blown modified racing period.The grandstands were always packed which leads me back to my original post that for some other reason the ROC mods no longer race there and it doesn't have to do with tire brands!!
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Perry is the greatest track to watch a full blown mod show in the area hands down. Unlike at Lancaster the guy without a big motor stands a chance. I've never seen a bad mud race there
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The fact remains that Perry is one of the best tracks around to watch full blown modified racing period.The grandstands were always packed which leads me back to my original post that for some other reason the ROC mods no longer race there and it doesn't have to do with tire brands!!
You have to remember what was happening with the economy around the 2009 season (last RoC Mod Races). No one had money to do anything, it wasn’t a fallout between Harpell and Jim. We were down to 500 (compared to 2,000 pr so in the years where the stands were packed) or so people in the stands and struggling to get 20ish cars for those events. Unfortunately now that things have turned around for the better, the weekly racing here has improved so much that running one off or two off Modified shows here seemed better. Sadly the weather hurt us in 2017 with the events and we had to pull back temporarily.
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And also as Dakota has said with local weekly racing doing as well as it has been at Wyoming county. Do they need to potentially take a bath with not getting a decent crowd? Doesn't make much sense from a business standpoint.
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Your forgetting the post ROC era had AR sponsored races. They had good car counts , decent fan counts but the purse had to be subsidized.
When AR pulled the $$$ for the race, it went away.
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Having been a spectator since Civic Stadium days , I have watched races at Perry, Holland and even was there opening day at Lancaster when they were all dirt. I have been behind the wheel myself for the last ten years. I have been on all three surfaces at these WNY tracks , I suspect the first track to repave and resurface will become the premier WNY asphalt track. Long live WNY stockcar racing.
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One of these 3 WNY pavement tracks has to forget their egos and move away from Saturday nights. 2 of these tracks have resetting Management and its time to meet and sort out this mess NOW. Yes Saturdays have been forever but look at the local dirt tracks, Friday, Saturday and Sunday Common rules or at least VERY CLOSE WITH 7 TRACKS Mini Series with home track rules where there even a slight differences. Fri Ransomville and Ohsweken, Saturday Merrittville, Genesee, Southern Ontario forerly South Buxton, Brighton and Sunday Humberstone. YES COMMON RULES WORK as does scheduling co operation along with Mini Series for Multiple classes.
Come on WNY PAVEMENT TRACKS SMARTEN UP YOU CANT ALL RUN SATURDAYS. LETS WORK TOGETHER!!! US OPEN brings together drivers from Many tracks. Holland and Wyoming Co each need a Signature event bringing many tracks together. As of right now, Neither NYIRP nor Holland have full schedules so work out something to BRING THIS MESS TOGETHER.
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Come on WNY PAVEMENT TRACKS SMARTEN UP YOU CANT ALL RUN SATURDAYS. LETS WORK TOGETHER!!! US OPEN brings together drivers from Many tracks. Holland and Wyoming Co each need a Signature event bringing many tracks together.
The end of season finale at WCIS (Shootout at the Bullring) last October pulled 93 cars for just 3 divisions of racing (SST - NYSS - 4 Cylinder)... from all different tracks that ran in 2019... I think that would qualify for having a signature event.
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It doesn't look like either Holland or NYRP our going to run weekly anymore. Running every other weekend opposite of each other should work for car count. Or Holland moving to Friday nights because of NYRP having drag racing. But back to main point of the post WNY asphalt needs to come together with common set of rules in order to grow back up the asphalt scene in this area.
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Once upon a time racing used to be simple fun and family orientated then the all mighty dollar came into the equation divided WNY racing. Track owners went to their island rules to prevent drivers from leaving to another track. In the meantime the drivers wanted to have the biggest baddest motors and elite equipment and would cheat to win and even convince their friends to run their second car aka field fillers to give them maximum points for their championship run.
Next to happen low budget teams did not like the dominance of one driver , quit because they could not compete , went to a lower division or created a brand new division so they could win. Then the crowds left, the stands became empty tracks started closing or only opening part time.
After a while noone is racing even the guys that have the loaded cars and equipment are now lawn ornaments .
This is the story of WNY racing over the past 20 years. It is dead stick a fork in it UNLESS UNLESS we all come together and figure this out
MY SUGGESTION:
TOURING CLASSES SHOULD NOT BE FOR THE 4 CYLINDER SUPER STOCKS SSTS. THEY SHOULD BE WEEKLY CLASSES. TOURING CLASSES SHOULD ONLY BE LATE MODELS AND or ROC MODS AND SHOULD MODEL IT LIKE THE APC SERIES IN CANADA with home track points.
What has to happen is WNY racing has to be built from the ground up with owners on the same page. 3 divisions until divisions are full again. Get the millennials involved and away from their cell phones and youtube and get them turning wrenches . Bring back Canadian drivers and competition from PA. Get the SIMM Racers a car and on the track. Bring back a monthly enduro class. Get the ladies involved. MAKE EVERYTHING STOCK AGAIN. JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE IT WILL COME BACK.
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I totally agree with Holland racer.I started attending races at Fulton in the 70s and they ran 2 classes modifieds and strickly stocks and that was it.The old circuit was Spencer on Fridays,Lancaster or Shangr-la on Saturdays,and Fulton or Utica -Rome on Sunday all under one common set of rules.Does anybody remember NEARA which stands for Northeast auto racing association.I know I am living in the past but was once done could be done again.
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I totally agree with Holland racer.I started attending races at Fulton in the 70s and they ran 2 classes, modifieds and strickly stocks, and that was it.The old circuit was Spencer on Fridays, Lancaster or Shangra-La on Saturdays,and Fulton or Utica-Rome on Sunday, all under one common set of rules .Does anybody remember NEARA which stands for Northeast auto racing association. I know I am living in the past, but was once done, and could be done again.
I do remember NEARA, and I agree, with one distinction. The "strictly-stocks" that many of us "old timers" grew up on, would be VERY difficult to gather together, today. Detroit stopped creating "raw material" for that class, way back in the 80s, when GM phased out the Chevelle/Monte Carlo, the Olds Cutlass, and the Pontiac Le Mans, as well as Ford phasing out the LTD II.
And unless you'd be willing to allow "re-created" 80s frames (I know that at least the "front clips" are available, as they're used in the mid-west, for IMCA dirt cars), and "re-created" bodies, I doubt you could do it. Secondly, the tires that those 70s era SSs ran, the G60/15 belted tire, are also pretty rare. And if you did allow the "re-creations", I would dare to say that you'd basically be looking at an early 70s era "modified", except for maybe the engine.
But I do fully understand your point, and essentially agree with you, ESPECIALLY with respect to the scheduling of races. 3 tracks, within 125 miles of each other, all can't be racing on Saturday nights.
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keep it simple keep it stock.
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keep it simple keep it stock.
OK, so you're advocating 4 and 6 cylinder, FWD cars?
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How bout instead of having memorial races where living friends pay the purse, do some promoting to get sponsors to add to the payouts that have been diminishing since the 80’s. Why do the New England tracks and MOD series pay more and have better fields and quality of cars? NO I don’t want to own a track 😀... On a good note GARAFALOS sausage back at the famed Oswego this year, plus a full field of supers cuz of a BIG purse increase two years ago.$$$ is the only way to fix this.
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keep it simple keep it stock.
OK, so you're advocating 4 and 6 cylinder, FWD cars?
im saying make it affordable and practical to race im not specifically saying any classes.
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I'm sure that got a phone call from the brand police! It's actually a good play having memorial races. You get everyone else to do all the work to raise lap money and such. That way you can sign useless sponsors that don't pay anything to the racers (like new era cap). That way the guys that do show up can get yelled at and talked down to like scorned school children on why it's important to only support the r.o.m (race of memorials) and not any other modified series. Also pay $40 more for the exact same tire they run in new England for less than half the pay. At least he has the racers plastering all I've Facebook how awesome it I'd that he delivers fuel to racers garages. News flash: he profits off selling fuel and tires. That's like praising the pizza shop for delivering pizza. I don't kiss the delivery kids ***** by posting on facebook. I pay the little $hit $5 and close the door. The intimidation and corporate kiss ***** attitude will be the end all. Sorry but tour racing need a grass roots series where the traxks and the racers make money. Not for a guy that lives in Spaulding lakes. Don't like what I wrote? Kiss my *****. 607-343-7446 is my cell number.
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Well Chris of course I got the call.He reads here often cuz that phone ALWAYS rings shortly after I post.I always answer because he has been a friend for a long time.I told him it wasn’t about him,not always is.Same ole conversation and once again same old blame everyone else.He actually offered me a job promoting for him,hmmm I do retire in Sept. Did I mention GARAFALOS is back at Oswego 😜
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Well ok then Chris..since you brought it up tires.Do you think making $40 or say $50 per tire off the racer is to much? Hmmm..Tires $208 x 5 @ $300 to take the green. That’s WNY
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zzz...
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Had a blast at Wyoming county speedway Saturday night please check it out .
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Had a blast at Wyoming county speedway Saturday night please check it out .
Glad you had fun, I think the racing was great. Once the grounds dry out a little and we fix some small things to tighten up the show a bit, it will even be better. We were missing a staggering 17 registered teams on opening day that unfortunately weren’t ready in time. Going to be a great summer and all things are looking up!
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34 super stocks at Oswego tonight !
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Any updates ?
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