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Re: oldies but goodies
« Reply #1475 on: April 07, 2011, 07:52:16 PM »
I think this my favorite thread on the forum.

Half fast Bob, I think you gave me the name of the sponsors on Bob Houck's #99 Vega. Thank you.

I'm still looking for pictures that show the lettering for this car.
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« Reply #1476 on: April 07, 2011, 07:55:26 PM »
Guys - great discussion.  Wasn't there a vega-bodied ride for Alan in that era?
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« Reply #1477 on: April 07, 2011, 10:43:44 PM »
Heres another dirt trackin magazine cover.

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« Reply #1478 on: April 08, 2011, 01:53:15 AM »
Alan's first car was owned by Tom and Kim Ewing out of Victor, NY that had a Corvair body on it. He ran the car from 1973 through 1975 and copped his first win at Canandaigua on May 3rd of '75. In 1976, Alan drove his first of 3 Kenny Weld Gremlins - a white car. In 1977, he drove the pink and yellow one pictured above. In 1978 he drove a red and white one. 1979 was Alans first pairing with Tico Conley where he drove a car of his own design - copper and cream Gremlin. 1980 saw Alan paired up with Scott Stackus in a horrible looking car with a home made body and bright orange wheels. In 1981, Alan and Maynard teamed together. Their relationship continued through the end of 1983. In 1984, Alan moved over to Show Car with Howard Conkey in a relationship that lasted until atleast 1987. I've got pictures of each car up to this point and beyond. The problem is, none of the remaining 28 pictures have dates on them.

Anyone got a good picture of the black and gold Jim Beachy owned 24 sponsored by Mitsubishi? I'm also looking for the orange and white 358 car owned by Mike Maroney, any of the Howie Finch 25's and any of the other pickup rides over the years.
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« Reply #1479 on: April 08, 2011, 07:41:57 AM »
Here is a pic of the car Alan drove that Tico Conley owned in 1980 which was the first full year they were together.
In 1979 is where Alan drove the Scott Stackus car which Tico Conley bought and drove himself that year for a double header at Canandaigua one night. If memory serves me correct Alan had sum sort of leagle issues with Wembly Construction with the  car and he had it taken away for that night. I heard that Will Cagle was involved in the matter and sided with Wembly so that Alan wouldn't have his car to race so Will could win the Canandaigua track championship that year. Now this is what I heard back then so I hope that somebody comes on and that might know the exact circumstances of that event but thats what I heard.
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« Reply #1480 on: April 08, 2011, 01:28:47 PM »
I don't know the particulars leading up to the fiasco in the pits, but I do remember watching all I could see as it unfolded from the stands. Some people might say, "What could you see going on in the pits if you were in the stands?" Fact is, you could see a lot because everyone towed with open trailers in those days, and only the most elaborate teams used converted school busses for transporters. There weren't very many of those. And this was also a day when we had fewer divisions, but more cars in each. Pit stalls were a lot bigger in those days. This is why in a lot of cases, you'll see pit photos that have personal vehicles parked between tow rigs. Joe Marotta was the track announcer back then, and he's the one that told everyone in the stands to direct their attention to the pits.

The Wembley Construction car was a Weld Gremlin and was owned by Cliff Barcomb with Alan as the driver. The engines were built by B&M (initials for Bill and Milt - Bill was Billy Campbell and Milt was Milt Johnson, Alan and Danny's dad). And this is probably how Alan was able to secure the ride in the first place. Alan was relatively unknown at the time, but getting the job as a hired driver without a ton of credentials would have been impossible unless you had money in your pocket to contribute. Alan had no money, but he did have a Dad who was half owner of the engine shop that was building the most powerful and popular engines on the east coast in his pocket.

There was some kind of dispute in the team. If I had to guess, I'd probably say that it was due to the driver not getting what he was promised when it came time to split the pay envelope from the payoff window. That's just a guess, but it came to a head one night in the pits at Canandaigua. I know all 3 Johnsons were involved, Cliff Barcomb, Will Cagle and I believe Pep Pepicelli - who got the ride after Alan vacated it. A large fight started in the pits, the sheriffs were called, cars were impounded and everyone spent the night at the sheriffs office pleading their cases, trying to convince the cops why they shouldn't be arrested and should have rights to posession of the car. The only reason I can come up with for Will Cagle to be involved would be that he and Pepicelli were friends and Cagle didn't like Alan. I think Cagle was probably the instigator by trying to convince Barcomb to hire Pepicelli and get rid of Alan.

comy14... you sent me a picture via email taken at Weedsport with Alan on the bottom, Danny on top in the 0jr., and a white Weld Gremlin in the middle with Wembley Construction as the sponsor. That picture was taken within a week or two after the fiasco at Canandaigua, and the driver in the middle is Pep Pepicelli.

Awesome pictures by the way. Some I already had, and some were new. THANK YOU! Give me until Monday. I'm busier than a cat covering sh!t on a marbal floor this weekend, but I'll get back to you, I promise.
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« Reply #1481 on: April 08, 2011, 03:19:05 PM »
Half Fast Bob....the fiasco that took place was in 79 and Alan got the car back the next week and finished the rest of the 79 season. He went  just one weekend without the car.
The colorful weld car Al drove in 79 was refered to as the circus wagon, I believe the guy who lettered the car(who I know very well) came up with the term circus wagon and it stuck.

The pic in which had Alan, Danny and pep pepicelli, the car pepicelli is driving is the weld car Alan drove in 78(red with white trim) before the circus wagon.

Bob did you get the picks of Alan's troyer cars, I will send more pics and I do have the black #24 mitsubishi car.



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« Reply #1482 on: April 08, 2011, 10:29:05 PM »
Thank you for clearing some of that up. I have a fairly good memory, but sometimes things get fuzzy. I guess that's the price you pay for doing over 120 events per year for close to a decade. :)

I'll get the pictures I have uploaded to photobucket during the next week. With what I already had and what comy14 sent me, I'm close to 100. If I had to guess, I'd say there are about 40 different cars all said and done.
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« Reply #1483 on: April 10, 2011, 05:33:21 PM »
Danny's 2nd car - the Jim Cincerbeaux 0jr. I'm pretty sure Danny got his first win in this car. Danny's first car was an old beat up orange Pinto numbered 14jr that resembled Fred Brook's 14x.


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« Reply #1484 on: April 10, 2011, 11:13:46 PM »
I know I've posted it before but here's a GATOR NEWS clipping showing Alan with his first ride the Tom Ewing owned Covair.

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« Reply #1485 on: April 10, 2011, 11:15:35 PM »
Here's the same car with a new owner at Waterloo Speedway a few years later. I believe Bruce Roll was the driver. Photo by me.

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« Reply #1486 on: April 10, 2011, 11:17:21 PM »
And here's Alan's Weld car with the hood off at Waterloo. Photo by me.

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« Reply #1487 on: April 10, 2011, 11:29:21 PM »
Not sure but I think my family simultaneously came up with the term Circus Wagon to describe that paint scheme the first time we saw it. I actually kind of liked it since most of the cars of the day were solid or two-tone. I always felt the first Mud Buss was dimensionally nearly the same as TICO's reworked show-car but with a much better engineered and stiffer chassis. I remember when Alan showed up with TICO's car with the huge off-set in the rear-end. I had purchased my Malzahn designed car and it had four inches of off-set built into it and it was the first time I'd heard of building a dirt car with different length rear end tubes. Then Alan shows up with like 16 inches of off-set with the TICO Conley car and I couldn't believe it but man did that ugly thing fly!!!

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« Reply #1488 on: April 11, 2011, 03:02:23 AM »
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Here's the same car with a new owner at Waterloo Speedway a few years later. I believe Bruce Roll was the driver. Photo by me.

Bruce Lord from Holcomb, NY - now known as Bloomfield, NY.
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« Reply #1489 on: April 11, 2011, 10:41:04 AM »
Looking in the background of AJís Weld car pic at Waterloo, is that all they had for grandstand seating back then?  I'm guessing there was probably more bleacher seating toward turn one?   There doesn't seem to have been many seats there for a promoter to work with.

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« Reply #1490 on: April 11, 2011, 10:51:23 AM »
That was considered the "Clyde" grandstand.  Most of the fans from Clyde seemed to sit there.  Further down the straight was a small set of bleachers, then a covered grandstand.  Seating at that time was about 1,500.
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« Reply #1491 on: April 11, 2011, 06:04:56 PM »
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started?  Was it just something that a few people did?  Did it hold any particular significance?  Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track?  Or was it just home-state pride?  Any insight is appreciated.

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« Reply #1492 on: April 11, 2011, 09:39:45 PM »
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started?  Was it just something that a few people did?  Did it hold any particular significance?  Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track?  Or was it just home-state pride?  Any insight is appreciated.
That's a good question.  I always wondered that myself.  It seems like the modifieds in the 60ís and 70ís that had those State abbreviations lettered on their cars ran at NASCAR tracks: Fonda, Malta, U-R, Stafford, Norwood, Riverside Park, Thompson, Islip.  I think NASCAR had separate State championship point standings in addition to their National Championships at one time.  I wonder if it had something to do with that?

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« Reply #1493 on: April 13, 2011, 10:30:58 PM »
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started?  Was it just something that a few people did?  Did it hold any particular significance?  Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track?  Or was it just home-state pride?  Any insight is appreciated.
Could it have been because of NASCAR's no duplicate numbers.  At least that way there was 100 numbers available to a state.

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« Reply #1494 on: April 17, 2011, 10:55:10 AM »
I found some more cool stuff on Jimmies racing photos...these were posted by "Rarmen"
There wasn't any photographer info, so if you know who took the picture, feel free to interject.
First shot is of Jack McCutcheon @ Oswego Speedway w/ the #73
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« Reply #1495 on: April 17, 2011, 10:56:39 AM »
Warren Coniam (#46) and Jimmy Shampine (#8) @ Oswego Speedway 1966
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« Reply #1496 on: April 17, 2011, 11:01:40 AM »
Last one...Bobby Courtright of Hamburg, NY @ unknown track....check out the champ car in the background
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« Reply #1497 on: April 17, 2011, 07:48:43 PM »
The 3 car in the last pic was a Scats Anfusco (? spelling) car, a  URC regular, possibly at Flemington, prob. a USAC show

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« Reply #1498 on: April 20, 2011, 09:22:53 PM »
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started?  Was it just something that a few people did?  Did it hold any particular significance?  Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track?  Or was it just home-state pride?  Any insight is appreciated.

Hi Greg, good to hear from you again, I'm Lyle's brother. In regarding what you asked about, the only time I had heard about a driver putting the state's intials on a race car was done as a joke back in 1951 and the story was told to a bunch of us at Angelica in the early 60's by the late great Dean Layfield. He told us that one of the funniest things he'd ever seen on a stock car was the number 22NYI. The drivers' name was Buck Mantooth. The guy wasn't a bad driver but there were two other guys with the number 22 at this old track that no longer is in existence. This riled Mr Mantooth up seeings how he was 22 years old at the time and was told by track officials that he couldn't use that number on his new Ford he was about to race. So he got him some paint and a brush and put in big letters the NYI after the 22. Well, suffice it to say, after the race was over, a few of the drivers asked him what the NYI stood for and he bluntly said " well look, since I can't use the number 22 I did the next best thing and put down NYI which was " New York "Indian ", and by God, they'll all know who I am now ! I thought Dean was going to choke on his Lucky Strike when he finished that story.

But yes, it could be what was told to you about a Nascar affiliation, but I don't believe it was anything significant, I believe it was done as more of a joke that anything. Maybe someday someone will supply the answer, but your inquiry got me to thinking about that cool story that Dean told to my Dad and a bunch of us at the track.

Hey, good to see you on again, Greg. Take care
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« Reply #1499 on: April 21, 2011, 02:34:19 AM »
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Greg, tell your father I said hello, how is he been doin' ? I can still recall Lyle and I making trips up to your Dad's shop back in the day. Like Dylan Dewert knows along with the Lawson boys, Walt Mitchell, Steve Paine and a host of others; that when Lyle went on these excursions up north it was hard to get him to leave, it seems I always I had to bribe him to get him to finally leave in that I'd holler at him " ok, I'm buying dinner, where's the nearest Red Lobster John ?", :) When it came to grub Lyle couldn't wait to hit the road, especially if he knew someone else was buying and it was lobster :) You were just a young guy then, if I recall.

I can still recall your Dad driving our Dad's modified in the first Skoal race at Woodhull in 1989 which I believe Kenny Brightbill won and your Dad finished 6th or 7th, I'm not sure which, but I know your Dad ran his guts out to finish where he did coming from the back of the pack. Great memories ! I miss those Skoal races at Woodhull.

Well again, tell your father hello, he's one hell of a good man !
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The number 171128 in my name signifies my brother Lyle's number 17, the 11 for my brothers Kevin and Bobby, and 28 for my father's 1958 Mercury he won so many features in


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