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Title: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hillside.Starter on February 20, 2019, 06:08:03 PM
SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY/CONDUCT

All Complaints and concerns are to be shared DIRECTLY with Hillside Buffalo management and officials, NOT in a public manner via Social Media.

Any person who intentionally and/or maliciously disregards, manipulates, intimidates or otherwise harasses a Hillside Buffalo official decision via Social Media postings, private messages, text messages or in any way electronically that degrades the track, its management or officials will be subject to Team Disqualification and/or Fine, Suspension, Loss of Points and/or other action determined appropriate by Track Management of Hillside Buffalo. Financial penalty to be determined by Track Management.

The use of Social Media by any person to promote negative/derogatory publicity towards Hillside Buffalo in any manner will subject them to Team Disqualification, Fine, Suspension, Loss of Points, Financial Penalty and/or any other action deemed appropriate by Hillside Buffalo management and officials.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hollandracer83 on February 20, 2019, 10:41:09 PM
yeah enough said see ya at WCIS.

Should have brought up at registration and/or drivers meetings
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: oneill71mod on February 20, 2019, 10:56:57 PM
Pretty snarky post for a track that had about 12 cars on a weekly basis..They better pray Lancaster doesn’t open..
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Beersy26 on February 21, 2019, 05:37:42 AM
Did John White take over Hillside?  ::)
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: phredo on February 21, 2019, 08:18:27 AM
What a joke.  I would encourage everyone to walk... no run away from this track as quickly as possible.  Maybe the Race of Champions should reconsider their sanctioning of events at this facility.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hillside.Starter on February 21, 2019, 11:19:29 AM
New post has a registration Party March 10, 1-4pm at the Holland Willows.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Don96 on February 21, 2019, 12:57:06 PM
Unbelievable; the ignorant comments to stay away from this track are doing absolutely no good for the state of asphalt racing in NY. The social media restrictions are to keep negative comments just like the ones above from destroying what little asphalt racing we have left. I completely agree with the social media rules- if you have an issue with someone or a track, be a man and bring up those issues face to face or at least with a phone call. Destroying what tracks are left will help no one.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Ratzso on February 21, 2019, 02:18:43 PM
Unbelievable; the ignorant comments to stay away from this track are doing absolutely no good for the state of asphalt racing in NY. The social media restrictions are to keep negative comments just like the ones above from destroying what little asphalt racing we have left. I completely agree with the social media rules- if you have an issue with someone or a track, be a man and bring up those issues face to face or at least with a phone call. Destroying what tracks are left will help no one.

I usually avoid comments on these type of threads, but as a long time fan of racing, I think Don's above post is extremely timely and accurate.

I will add this quote: "An arsonist always risks burning down his own neighborhood."

That's all I got....

Ratzso
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: uticamike on February 21, 2019, 02:23:56 PM
 Financial penalty to be determined by Track Management. 

 :o :o You are going to enforce that how?  Hillside management does not OWN the Internet or any website , blog or forum outside of their
own and the idea that they have some kind of power to enforce that is ridiculous. They DO have the power to keep you off their property
but to come  out here with a post  of this tone  and make decree's like above is self defeating IMHO.  If Dakota you a specific issue with something someone said you should call them, or contact them in some way so as to have a private convo to work out any issues that would
bear far more positive results than the jack boot routine like above or the adolescent back and forth on Facebook at the moment.

I'll not telling you what to do but it's just something to think about.  Holland Speedway ( or any name you might otherwise call it) has been my personal favorite track in NY and I'm wishing it and every other local track a good year up coming. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail here.  :-\   
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Chargincharlie on February 21, 2019, 03:29:04 PM
If you run your racetrack right the negative comments go away .
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: phredo on February 21, 2019, 03:33:50 PM
Unbelievable; the ignorant comments to stay away from this track are doing absolutely no good for the state of asphalt racing in NY. The social media restrictions are to keep negative comments just like the ones above from destroying what little asphalt racing we have left. I completely agree with the social media rules- if you have an issue with someone or a track, be a man and bring up those issues face to face or at least with a phone call. Destroying what tracks are left will help no one.

If you run your business properly, then you'll have no need for such an onerous social policy.  The occasional posts by malcontents will be understood for what they are and properly ignored by most. 
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: BOZO6106 on February 21, 2019, 08:03:19 PM
I got a nasty e-mail just for trying to find out what this years ROC mod schedule looks like so be careful fellow race NYers!!
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hillside.Starter on February 21, 2019, 10:42:45 PM
Ransomville Speedway is a properly run speedway and they have a Social media policy. I think every speedway should have a social media policy to help speedways survive.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: dan19n on February 22, 2019, 09:19:23 AM
this kind of attitude is actually stupid. a track should get all the (free) publicity it can. even negative arguments get your track in the news. to try an control this by fines and censorship is really a waste of time. arguments or disagreements shoud  all make the news  and how well the track deaks with these issues should be just as newsworthy. basically this is called "freedom of speach". these little arguments waste time and money,,,, when will you guys learn?????
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: leadfoot4 on February 22, 2019, 01:45:55 PM
SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY/CONDUCT

All Complaints and concerns are to be shared DIRECTLY with Hillside Buffalo management and officials, NOT in a public manner via Social Media.

Any person who intentionally and/or maliciously disregards, manipulates, intimidates or otherwise harasses a Hillside Buffalo official decision via Social Media postings, private messages, text messages or in any way electronically that degrades the track, its management or officials will be subject to Team Disqualification and/or Fine, Suspension, Loss of Points and/or other action determined appropriate by Track Management of Hillside Buffalo. Financial penalty to be determined by Track Management.

The use of Social Media by any person to promote negative/derogatory publicity towards Hillside Buffalo in any manner will subject them to Team Disqualification, Fine, Suspension, Loss of Points, Financial Penalty and/or any other action deemed appropriate by Hillside Buffalo management and officials.


I've read this statement, because it has "risen to the top" several times, as people have responded to it. And after reading it a couple of times, I'm not quite sure who it is directed to, competitors at the track or the general public, as it isn't too clear. (mistake #1)

Furthermore, while I understand why you might not want the "dirty laundry" aired in public, as I have seen in the past, here on 'RaceNY', in relation to other tracks, you need to understand that when you operate a sporting facility that promotes a show for public consumption, that automatically opens you up to comment, either good or bad.

Finally, if you intend to really follow through with this "thinly veiled threat" to the public's ability to comment on your facility's operation, be prepared for your track to have a VERY short life, especially if you intend this "policy" to apply to the general public, and not just the racers/teams who MAY dare to race at your track. (mistake #2)

The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees the right to free speech, and it's part of the bedrock upon which this country was built. It allows EVERYONE, within reason, to express their opinions freely, whether or not others agree. This means not just you, but others, as well. Trying to artificially control reality generally doesn't work out all that well.

Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Paul on February 22, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
The First Amendment guarentees that you can't be prosecuted by the government for speech.  It doesn't gurentee that there won't be consequences for said speech from the general public.

If you have a contract, for example, with an entity that prohibits negeative comments, and you make negative comments, the entity has the right to execute the contract.  It might have been the smarter play for the racetrack to have that clause as a condition for a license.  If you then say mean things about the track or it's personell then your license gets revoked. 
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Turbo01 on February 22, 2019, 04:42:44 PM
I don't think this is the smartest policy. Remember in the later parts of the 2000's, when Tom Donahoe banned all negative signage at Bills games? The backlash was part of what cost him his job. If you're going to run a track, you need to have some thick skin. There's only 1 winner per class, that leaves (hopefully a lot of) other upset drivers. Like others have said, put on a good show and the rest will take care of itself. I wish Holland speedway luck this year.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Don96 on February 22, 2019, 05:58:04 PM
Maybe not “the smartest policy”. I suggest if all the keyboard hero’s have better ideas maybe they should purchase one of the many asphalt tracks available. Most of you don’t even have $20-30 grand in equipment sitting in your garage , just hoping there is somewhere to race them. I, for one, would like to be able to race somewhere. Whether it’s holland or somewhere else, we need to quit bashing ALL tracks.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: oneill71mod on February 22, 2019, 06:57:58 PM
Thin skinned and soft liberal thinking on a race tracks part will cause loss of cars and fans..Maybe a failing track should take bashing as constructive criticism..WCIS speedway will benefit from Holland’s failures..
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hollandracer83 on February 22, 2019, 08:41:41 PM
Consumers have the right to voice an opinion. See google reviews or yelp.

I used lyft service received a survey, I filled out a comment card at Tully's , I get rated at my business for customer service.

Hillside management I agree with that if a driver has a problem address to management but if A paying customer has a problem, Where do they go? oh yeah social media bc that is where we go nowadays

Your in the business of entertainment  own the situation and make it better

Dakota this is not directed towards you . In order for Hillside to survive you need drivers and fans on your side.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: D_Rider on February 22, 2019, 09:25:38 PM
Maybe not “the smartest policy”. I suggest if all the keyboard hero’s have better ideas maybe they should purchase one of the many asphalt tracks available. Most of you don’t even have $20-30 grand in equipment sitting in your garage , just hoping there is somewhere to race them. I, for one, would like to be able to race somewhere. Whether it’s holland or somewhere else, we need to quit bashing ALL tracks.
Exactly!!
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: oneill71mod on February 24, 2019, 09:17:37 AM
With all the bad promoting,not to mention cheap and greedy track owners, now is the time for the racers to band together and organize against the tracks and race series for better purse structure,tech control and management. This should be done immediately with the dwindling sk/sst class.. Yes track owners and management will hate this,they will hate loosing the control factor, but it will definitely strengthen local Ashpalt racing.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Sodus Mike on February 24, 2019, 11:02:22 AM
So , you're genious idea is for the racers to park their cars and not race to prove a point ?
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: countrydave on February 24, 2019, 02:40:36 PM
Instate a Actions Detrimental to Auto Racing Rule:

  The Rule to Use When You Don't Know What Rule to Use
 This rule's catch-all phrase seems to allow it to be applied to everything from equipment violations to cursing & hurting somebody's feelings.

 The very words of the rule makes one wonder what is actually detrimental to the sport?

Controversy is good for Auto Racing views and The Gate. one thing is all infractions have is controversy.

If people think that a frustrated driver/team may get caught in a moment of temper loss, they are going to have a human interest in it.

Part of the appeal of motor sports are the uncensored moments, the moments of passion, the moments of emotions: they make a sport human and connect the audience with the drivers & teams.

This rule should be held in reserve for only the most grievous of infractions, when the defamation is majorly exaggerated, false or the infractions threaten the safety of other drivers and fans.
 
 Their not playing Tiddilly Winks on Track!
 Let's Go Racing!             
 
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: bakes on February 25, 2019, 08:28:18 AM
"Dont talk bad about us or we'll penalize you!"  seems quite defensive. 

Seems to me that a far more effective strategy would be to discuss this with the drivers and then, if there is negativity on social media, address it in a constructive, straight up way; as in "We understand that you disagree with the track's decision regarding X, here is our perspective..."  People can flame if they want, but if you deal with the flames in a professional manner, and if drivers and crew and fans understand that if there was a mistake that you will take measures to prevent the same issue from recurring, it will go a long way towards building respect for Hillside.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Chriszak7 on February 25, 2019, 09:04:41 AM
It really has nothing to do with free speech or 1st amemdment. They are a buisness. And they fall under the law of they can refuse service or admission to their place if buisness for no reason whatsoever. So what they are saying is you talk bad (you can per 1st amendment) they can not allow you access for that reason. That's all it really is. The only thing the free speech laws do is keep you from being jailed for talking bad about them. That's it. Yes you won't go to jail per your first amendment rights. They CAN keep you away from their own little world and not let you play in their sandbox.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Beersy26 on February 25, 2019, 10:52:30 AM
Seems to me that both bakes and ChrisZ have things about right. While it is true that a track can do and say what they want such a negative tone obviously will not sit well in todays customer service way of doing business. bakes approach would have been a much better way to have addressed the situation in my opinion.  I went and looked at Spencers policy, and Hillsides is a word for word copy.  Now, I am sure that there are many reasons for the demise of Spencer, but that policy and its wording pretty much speaks to John Whites idea of customer service,and that IS a big reason for the failure there in my opinion. Ooops, good thing I am not affiliated with a team cause I would have got them fined or penalized.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: raceannouncer on February 25, 2019, 01:39:10 PM
In my opinion, "Social Media" is not that much different than a power tool in the shed.  How it's used by an individual determines it's worth of doing a job.  If it's used carelessly or without much thought, it can cause unintended consequences.

Constructive criticism is one thing.  Constant negativity toward any aspect of the sport achieves NOTHING!  Demanding your "right" to speak any way you want comes with responsibility!

The internet and it's various ways to communicate are still very much in infancy--for now, it's a double-edged sword.  It can be good or bad, depending on how it's "wielded". I understand why some tracks might want to adopt such a policy.  But I also understand why many fans and drivers might not like it!
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: smallguy on February 26, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
Anybody can complain, gripe, fume, or vent.

Some can make constructive arguments with well thought out points.

Some can listen and engage in intelligent conversation.

It all means nothing if no actions are taken.

So I ask, where do you fall among the above?
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: roblaskowski99 on February 26, 2019, 12:48:32 PM
WHO CARES ABOUT ANY OF THIS
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: 80racing on February 26, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
Group hug??
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hollandracer83 on March 10, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
oh yeah looks like holland canceled the meeting for today
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Glenn on March 10, 2019, 11:24:47 PM
It sure would be great if someone, any one from Holland /hillside , whatever its called .to put out some positive news. hell , any news. I guess . I think we are 76 days away from something happening there ??
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hillside.Starter on March 11, 2019, 05:06:02 PM
Glenn, We have some positive news from Hillside. We have hired a motorsports director, his name is Heath Lux. Heath is now signed up and in charge. More positive information will hopefully follow in the upcoming weeks.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Glenn on March 12, 2019, 03:17:05 AM
Hill side starter , if you have a motorsports director now in  charge why is that person not providing info now ? why would it take weeks to provide some kind of information concerning the status of the track etc. I would think that with all of the questions, rumors  and uncertainty surrounding the facility that the now in charge person would be immediately addressing the state of the facility . or perhaps he doesn't know .
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Fastchap on March 12, 2019, 08:05:34 AM
Ok it is now time to expose Dan for the thief he is. I'm tired if him hiding behind a kid! He owes thousands of dollars to drivers employees and vendors!!!!! This is all facts I'm one of the people that he stole from. This man is no good for the sport of racing at all!!!! Just ask around I'm sure you will l find a driver or employee or vendor that he owes. He has not paid a dime to the track owner for his LEASE .!!!!!!  We all work way to hard to give our money to this thief!!!  I know of a tree service that is owed 20 thousands dollars!!! How can we support a man like this. Just think about how much you have in your car and how much it cost to race and do you really want someone to steal from you.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hollandracer83 on March 12, 2019, 09:32:19 AM
sigh WNY asphalt RACING IS DEAD. no lancaster, holland is mismanaged, Spencer is Part time , Roc Mods car count are declining every year , No Good late model series, 2 super stock series. Erie 2 races

WCIS is the only place to go for weekly racing


Least I have the APC late super late model series in Canada over 30 registered late models and more to come.

IF WNY will survive look north and see how they run their program all the tracks work together .
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: chromehorn on March 12, 2019, 01:10:58 PM
Lancaster was the first racetrack with a social media policy. Spencer and Chumung copied lancaster. Now holland has one. It all started with Lancaster
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: DaveTheDude on March 13, 2019, 09:19:47 PM
Wrong...for tracks in this area Oswego was one of the first. Ransomville copied Oswego's. Lancaster didn't add one until 2017.
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Hoosierfan22 on March 14, 2019, 10:04:40 PM
Does Bennett still own the track and is leasing it?  or did someone buy it?
Title: Re: Hillside Buffalo Code of Conduct
Post by: Fastchap on March 15, 2019, 06:12:12 AM
 Dan is just leasing the track hopefully he will not get any drivers to race there if they no what is good for them last year he ran from July on with no insurance and like I said before there's a list of people who have not gotten paid for last year. Just wish he would leave the race track and let someone else's run it I know someone anyone would do a better job!!!!!  Just to correct myself it is kings tree service and it over $10000 that he owes him!!! I'm productions is owed thousands as well. I'm working on getting permission from all the people he owes and I'm going to put it on the news!!!!! Hopefully with all the dollar amounts!!!