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Title: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on September 28, 2009, 04:10:17 PM: Found these on the internet...Not sure of photographer...DIRT magazine covers...who are they?
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Post by: ron.m on September 28, 2009, 04:13:27 PM: 14 Alan Jhonson 57 Tommy Corellis not sure if its spelled right
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Post by: justmark on September 28, 2009, 04:18:07 PM: It says right above the photos on the cover who they are along with being Dave Lukowski Photos from 1983.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 28, 2009, 04:23:39 PM: well that just takes all the fun right out of it dosen't it
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Post by: ohlins25 on September 28, 2009, 06:06:49 PM: heres one
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Post by: ohlins25 on September 28, 2009, 06:07:57 PM: jan leaty driveing evens car at spencers
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Post by: 68mustangfb on September 28, 2009, 06:34:17 PM: "Evans"
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 28, 2009, 07:40:12 PM: heres another one...dave lukowski photos from '87
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Post by: Mayhem Racing on September 29, 2009, 08:00:57 AM: Tremont for sure.

Doug Hoffman, have no idea on the other one.

How cool for Leaty to run Evans's car, what a thrill for him..
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Post by: Greg Birosh on September 29, 2009, 12:18:50 PM: Kenny Tremont in the 115, "Super" C.D. Coville in the Hauser Trucking 61, don't know the 45.
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Post by: bcross on September 29, 2009, 01:50:23 PM: the 45 at Fonda could have been Bob Ensminger (spelling?)
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 29, 2009, 04:31:42 PM: you are correct bcross
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 29, 2009, 04:36:45 PM: heres one from 1984...says from Rolling Wheels...Dave Lukoski Photos...main subjects are easy. How about the dudes behind Jumpin' Jack
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 29, 2009, 06:29:10 PM: guess it helps if you actually include the picture
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Post by: canadianfan on September 29, 2009, 06:32:11 PM: Merv Treichler and Allan Johnson up top. I can spot Jack Johnson 12a, Charlie Rudolph 72, Brett Hearn 20 down below. Other numbers hard to discern.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 29, 2009, 08:33:52 PM: from 1987...hard to read but I believe this is another set of Dave Lukowski photos...can you name who they are
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Post by: no74falcon on September 29, 2009, 08:38:04 PM: Mike Romano on the bottom.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 29, 2009, 09:24:42 PM: right on the button...the other fellow is from the southern tier (I think)
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Post by: modscene on September 29, 2009, 09:41:00 PM: Chuck Akulis
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on September 29, 2009, 09:41:32 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on September 29, 2009, 09:24:42 PM
right on the button...the other fellow is from the southern tier (I think)

Chuck Akulis
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Post by: Rocket88 on September 29, 2009, 10:04:26 PM: Kenny Tremont #115 in background of 3J photo.
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Post by: Greg Birosh on September 30, 2009, 11:07:53 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on September 29, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
heres one from 1984...says from Rolling Wheels...Dave Lukoski Photos...main subjects are easy. How about the dudes behind Jumpin' Jack
John Birosh is the 9j to the inside of Jack (wonder how I knew that one ;D), Charlie Rudolph in the 72R, Danny Rizzardo in the red 99, Steve Paine in the 7x behind Rudolph, 20 of Brett Hearn next to him, then the 14j of Alan Johnson next to Brett. The 27j of Danny Johnson is 2 cars behind Paine, but I can't tell who's between them, maybe Charlie Castle? Merv Treichler is behind Alan, and that's the last one I can make out.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 30, 2009, 03:53:57 PM: WOW Greg...you have phenomenal eye sight!....Heres one from 1981...The photographer wasn't credited..maybe mark can help with that.
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Post by: Rocket88 on September 30, 2009, 05:13:32 PM: Walt Mitchell in the 24. Could the 3 be Billy Osmun??
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Post by: Michael Bonesky on September 30, 2009, 05:14:25 PM: Randy Glenski on the outside. Photo looks to have been shot at weedsport. Of course Jimmy Horton in Glen Smith Statewide entry below.
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Post by: Rocket88 on September 30, 2009, 05:17:31 PM: Didn't see the "jimmy horton jpeg" under the photo. ;D
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 01, 2009, 03:50:03 PM: Walt Mitchell in the 24...one of my all time favorite drivers. The car on the outside was listed as Jan Oakes (I think...hard to decipher) I have to work better on hiding the driver info (LOL)...here's another one... from 1976. once again no mention of photographer
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Post by: 112SMW on October 01, 2009, 03:58:04 PM: That might be a Russ Mills photo or Bob Hunter photo.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on October 01, 2009, 08:48:08 PM: Mal Lane
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Post by: canadianfan on October 01, 2009, 10:18:30 PM: Geeze DW-I guess the glasses should have given it away.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 02, 2009, 03:47:32 PM: Right On DW...by the way...When I was a youngster and pulled for Walt Mitchell at Weedsport I also used to root for this light blue gremlin bodied modified...I think it was #2
Another photo from 1984...photos by Dave Lukowski
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 02, 2009, 03:51:25 PM: This one is from 1982...photos by Dave lukowski
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 02, 2009, 03:54:45 PM: this one is from 1976...once again no photographer credited (maybe someone could shed soome light)
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Post by: justmark on October 02, 2009, 03:55:42 PM: You have some very good drivers there from those covers.....
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Post by: 112SMW on October 02, 2009, 04:10:19 PM: The 1976 cover has Kenny Coon in the302 and the sprinters are Bobby Allen in the 1a and Steve Smith in the 19.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on October 02, 2009, 09:08:06 PM: The one is Tommy Corellis and Carl Reynolds.
That was 2x, last winter we had a pretty good oldies going, Dale has quite a few of the old pictures and we are cleaning out our mothers trailer and some old programs are coming our way so when the season winds down I'm sure we'll be able to get some more oldies out here.
Darrell
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Post by: Jay Mooney on October 03, 2009, 08:10:54 AM: On the 1984 cover:
#44 - Longtime Five Mile Point regular Dick Sundgren
#42 - "Mr. Small Block" Pete Bicknell
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 03, 2009, 08:42:26 AM: All correct....here's one from 1984...DAVE LUKOWSKI photos
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 03, 2009, 08:44:53 AM: This one is from '84....Dave Lukowski Photos
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 03, 2009, 08:48:26 AM: And this one is from 1987...Dave Lukowski photos
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Post by: justmark on October 03, 2009, 09:39:39 AM: I'm stumped. ??? LOL
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 03, 2009, 11:04:25 AM: Mark...you're funny!!
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Post by: Bigdog13 on October 03, 2009, 01:54:15 PM: Looks like Chuck Akulis and Charlie Castle on the bottom of the page.
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Post by: canadianfan on October 03, 2009, 04:32:10 PM: Harvey Hainer in the 2H????? (with Stan Friesen reaching for Harvey's wallet?)
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Post by: WildChild05 on October 03, 2009, 07:43:13 PM: 1984 was Dick Sundgren on top and "Mr. Small Block" Pete Bicknell on the bottom.
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Post by: WildChild05 on October 03, 2009, 07:45:23 PM: Black 22 is Dave Lape I believe. The 30 looks familiar but can't think of it.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on October 03, 2009, 10:31:27 PM: From 1987...

The #30 is Kenny Brightbill
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Post by: steveracer on October 04, 2009, 02:12:45 AM: Yes it is kenny brightbill, I believe it was the blue hen special. He won syracuse in like 87 or 88 with that car. Then he drove the famous #1 of Billy Taylor for a year I believe.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 04, 2009, 08:08:27 AM: Correct on the Kenny Brightbill #30...the picture w/ Dave Lape has Lou "the Monk" lazzaro on the outside and the bottom picture is Chuck Akulis, who i believe at this time is involved w/ the Capital Region Sprint Agency
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 04, 2009, 08:15:44 AM: this one is from 1982....photographers listed as Lukowski/Romeo?
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Post by: Les on October 04, 2009, 08:07:23 PM: I will guess top photo #7 Charlie Castle, #17 Johnny Birosh
Bottom 7n Carl Nagle, P13 Tommy Wilson
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Post by: Greg Birosh on October 05, 2009, 12:16:39 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 03, 2009, 08:44:53 AM
This one is from '84....Dave Lukowski Photos
I think the car behind Akulis is Mike Seager. Please keep them coming, this is fun.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 04:09:53 PM: The cover for the last photo said...Charlie Castle, John Birosh, Pete Wilson and Carl Nagle.
I've got a few more...from 1981 photo credits are listed as D.I.R.T.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 04:17:04 PM: This one is from 1981...It's a gimme on the top...but I left the name on the bottom picture as i couldn't make it out...maybe someone else will have better luck...photo credits look to be Lukowski and Judge?
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Post by: justmark on October 05, 2009, 04:55:47 PM: The bottom driver is Canadian.
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Post by: kt on October 05, 2009, 05:39:08 PM: Mike Granton, Gratton?
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Post by: Rocket88 on October 05, 2009, 06:09:47 PM: Looks like a Rudolph car (the white one) but the 7 is in the wrong spot. The yellow car is........................in trouble!!!
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Post by: Michael Bonesky on October 05, 2009, 07:50:41 PM: The 32 is Dave Leckonby. Is the 44s Dave Sundgren?

Other photo Marvelous Merv 58,maybe Dave Kniesel in the forground of the same photo.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 08:44:13 PM: The #32 is Dick Larkin...Here's the last three I have. The first is from 1983...Dave lukowski photo
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 08:45:16 PM: This one is from 1984...photos by Dave lukowski
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 08:49:25 PM: The last one is from 1987...Dave lukowski photos...and a little story about the cat in the top picture. When I was younger (much younger) I used to baby sit his mothers beer cooler at the track. Her only stipulation was that I limit myself to one!
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Post by: Michael Bonesky on October 05, 2009, 09:46:52 PM: 27J Danny Johnson, 38 Mark Osterhoudt
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Post by: Michael Bonesky on October 05, 2009, 09:47:42 PM: 22 Dave Lape, 97 Mike Romano
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Post by: Greg Birosh on October 06, 2009, 08:25:06 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
This one is from 1981...It's a gimme on the top...but I left the name on the bottom picture as i couldn't make it out...maybe someone else will have better luck...photo credits look to be Lukowski and Judge?
Ron Duplantis is flipping, Lin Hough is spinning.
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Post by: Greg Birosh on October 06, 2009, 08:26:46 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 08:44:13 PM
The #32 is Dick Larkin...Here's the last three I have. The first is from 1983...Dave lukowski photo
7 of Charlie Castle, 2 of Jeff Kappesser driving for Grim out of the Capital District.
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Post by: modscene on October 06, 2009, 01:52:29 PM: The "Romeo" mentioned earlier is photographer Don Romeo
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 06, 2009, 05:21:05 PM: Wow..That was fun. A little more to the beer cooler story. I was rooting for Alan Johnson along side his mom ( might of had something to do with having the same last name or that I was a Cagle hater, can't remember which). She told they me had a younger son that was just itching to go racing but they couldn't let him quite yet because, in her words, he was just too nuts.
I have a old book of photos from Area Auto Racing News (circa 1971) that a friend has lent me...It is a treasure trove of awesome photos from the sixties...I'll start posting as soon as I can
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on October 07, 2009, 09:14:14 AM: Blackjack,

I've always like the Danimal, but that's funny stuff right there comin' from his momma!
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Post by: benj413 on October 07, 2009, 01:45:43 PM: Some more oldies(http://)
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Post by: lynchmobb on October 07, 2009, 06:49:34 PM: In honor of Super Dirt week, here's the car that changed everything.....
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Post by: tcjet8 on October 07, 2009, 07:00:07 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
This one is from 1984...photos by Dave lukowski
Title: The # 19 is Wayne Reynolds
Post by: tcjet8 on October 07, 2009, 07:04:17 PM: Quote from: tcjet8 on October 07, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
Quote from: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
This one is from 1984...photos by Dave lukowski
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Post by: justmark on October 07, 2009, 07:41:30 PM: Nobody remembers Gary Balough's #112 "Batmobile Blowout" car from 1980! :)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 08, 2009, 06:11:40 PM: As promised...A friend lent me a old book of 1960's photos. It's titled "Area Auto Racing News....a look at the sixties" This will take awhile, so have patience. a nod to my bud Jeff Brown for lending this out. For anyone who doesn't know Jeff, he is an awesome fabricator of both racecars and stories...He built the BRP car that Steve Kent owns and that Dale Welty drove to a championship at Blackrock this year....The first photo is Gene Goodling with checkers after winning at Lincoln Speedway.(King photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 08, 2009, 06:21:59 PM: Versatile Bobby Gerhart after winning a super sprint race at Williams Grove. (king photo)
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Post by: canadianfan on October 08, 2009, 10:39:47 PM: 112's car name was actually "The Orgasmatron" borrowed from the Woody Allen movie "Sleeper" (The Orgasmatron was a machine in the 23rd century that was a subsitute for sex)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 09:42:52 AM: Young Bob Pickell pilots his Lentinis Special ( #300) in front of champion All Tasnady (#44). Ace Lane picture
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:10:33 AM: Wally Dallenbach at Vineland Speedway's lightning fast half-mile in New Jersey (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:11:39 AM: Wally Dallenbach (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:15:34 AM: Jackie McLaughlin with checkers (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:16:32 AM: Jackie McLaughlin with checkers (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:20:07 AM: Jackie McLaughlin's #83 (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:24:37 AM: Billy Wade with family...Died Jan. 5, 1965 (area auto racin news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:50:56 AM: Pete Hamilton with checkers at Albany-Saratoga (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:53:05 AM: from Albany-Saratoga...no name listed for driver...any guesses? (area auto racin news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:56:47 AM: Dick Quallio leads Shorty Kershner through a corner in action at Reading (D&B Racing photo
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:58:30 AM: Pee Wee Griffin leads Joe Kelly (13) and the field off the fourth corner at East Winsor (Charlie Moore photo)
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Post by: no74falcon on October 10, 2009, 11:46:58 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 10, 2009, 10:53:05 AM
from Albany-Saratoga...no name listed for driver...any guesses? (area auto racin news)

Bob, That is also Pete Hamilton in the Worcester Sand and Gravel car #69
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 11:13:32 AM: Dutch Hoag leads Lee Osbourne to the checkered flag at Fulton Raceway (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 11:17:25 AM: Fred Smith (25) spun at Wall. John Malsbury and Dick Lewis (35) ram him. Pete Frazee sits in infield after bouncing off the two (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 11:29:35 AM: Red Riegel (Walter T. Chernokal photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 11:35:11 AM: many of duels (sic) were put on by the late Jackie Evans on the outside and the 24 of Will Cagle at the Orange County Speedway (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 11:38:13 AM: One of the all time greats on ashphalt before he retired was Wild Bill Slater in the famous V8 (Bill Balser photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 11:42:34 AM: Fred Schulz leads Ed Flemke in action at the Norwood, Mass. Arena. (Bill Balser photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 11:45:43 AM: A typical opening day crowd at the Reading Fairgrounds. ( John reilly photo )..... CHECK OUT THAT CROWD!!
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 02:42:49 PM: Al Tasnady (39) and Dick Tobias (17) try to put a lap on the Furslew 2jr in action at East Winsor (Charles Moore photo )
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 02:48:41 PM: Bobby Adamson bicycles his sprinter through a corner at Allentown Fairgrounds IMCA sprint show. (Walter T. Chernokal photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 02:55:12 PM: Stan Ploski goes into the third turn wall at Nazareth. Will Cagle in the 24 and Buzzie Reutimann in the 00 try to sneak by. (John Reilly photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 02:58:13 PM: Here's a good shot of likeable Sam Beavers when he sat behind the controls of the Fodor 13 (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:13:13 PM: Gus Linder's car after a crash during IMCA sprint show at the Allentown Fairgrounds. (Arnie deBrier photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:14:46 PM: Bill Wimble on the pole before the start of an "open competition" race at Lebanon Valley (Chuck Ely photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:21:46 PM: "Wild" Bill Slater is reading (sic) for the start of the Permatex 300 at the Daytona International Speedway (Charlie Moore photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:23:49 PM: Frankie Schneider in car 2 and Dick "Toby" Tobias (Walt Chernokal photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:25:47 PM: Former national champion Bill Wimble at speed in the famous McCready 33 (Terry Deeds photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:40:06 PM: Stan Ploski (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:43:53 PM: Hopewell, New Jersey's Stan Ploski on his way to a $3557 payday at Readings first annual 200 lap Dirt Track Championship Race (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 03:55:29 PM: Al Tasnady tries to hold off Tommy McAndrews at Reading (Walter T. Chernokal photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 04:08:25 PM: Otto Harwi next to the familiar 999 (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 04:10:49 PM: Ed Farley (43) desperately tries to hold off the charges of All Tasnady (44) at Flemington (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 11, 2009, 04:19:58 PM: "The Eastern Express"... Otto Harwi at speed. After his untimely death the number 999 was retired and never permited to be used at Nazareth Speedway (area auto racing news)
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Post by: justmark on October 11, 2009, 05:35:32 PM: "Mortified" on the #999! :D
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Post by: RTC56 on October 12, 2009, 07:13:00 AM: Anyone got any pics of the dirt modified owned by Gil Sherman? I know it was driven by John Unaman, Matt Murray, and Phil Mott to name the few I've heard drove it. Probly late 70's early 80's
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 05:45:31 PM: Bill Vukovich dumps it in USAC feature at Reading on September 23,1967 (Arnie deBrier Racing Photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 05:48:43 PM: The first modified feature win for Leroy Felty (F65) came at Selingsgrove Speedway in 1965. At right in picture is Miss Racing Roundup, Ms. Peiffer. (Skelley-King's photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 05:50:49 PM: Ray Tilley (88) took the fature at Williams Grove over competitor Bob Brymesser (77). Event occured on May 29, 1966 (Johnson-King's photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 05:52:57 PM: Billy Osmun (333) looks over damaged car after tangle with Len Martin (4) and Steve Elias (07) at East Windsor. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 05:55:04 PM: Jackie McLaughlin posses with the famous Maul Missel 111 after another of his long list of victories. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 05:58:59 PM: Andy Romono, middle car, is in a rather static position as the car #61, driven by Steve Danish of Cropseyville, and the car #50, driven by Ernie Gahan of Dover, New Hampshire, hem him in as a result of a spin out in the main event at Fonda Speedway. (Otto Pade photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:18:22 PM: Smokey Dengler making contact (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:19:46 PM: Smokey Dengler (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:23:57 PM: LeRoy Felty (L.) presents trophy to "Toby" Tobias as Jack Gunn (R.) looks on. (King- Skelly photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:25:46 PM: Bob Hersh proudly displays winning form and car that brought him victory in 1962. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:29:10 PM: Bob Abel poses with gifts after August, 1964 win at Lincoln. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:30:45 PM: One of the real veterans of the 60's in modified action was Ralph Smith. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:32:34 PM: Freddy Adam, driving his own #8, holds back the challenges of Dick Tobias in the #54 at Reading (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:33:46 PM: Frankie Thompson in action at Lincoln in 1964. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:46:52 PM: Veteran USAC driver Bobby Marshman. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 12, 2009, 06:47:48 PM: Don McTavish (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 04:28:22 PM: Mr Langhorne... Don "Dutch" Hoag. Winner 1960-63-67-68. (area auto racing photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 04:31:54 PM: Bugsy Stevens, winner of 1967 Trenton 200. In victory lane after receiving the trophy. He is being kissed by Ms. Vicki Nunis, daughter of promoter Sam Nunis, seen in background. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 04:47:06 PM: Gerald "Beader" Kennedy. The racing world lost one of it's steadiest competitors on Saturday, May 4,1968 at the Orange County Fairgrounds. Kennedy had compeated at such tracks as Sanatoga, Reading, Yellow Jacket, Nazareth, Hatfield, Middletown, Flemington and Langhorne. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 04:48:20 PM: Gerald "Beader" Kennedy with the #98. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 04:51:43 PM: "Steady" Ed Flemke collects his laurels after victory at Fort Dix. Ed wasone of the so called bandits that roamed Eastern tracks winning races. The other bandit was his teammate, Dennis Zimmerman. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 05:01:13 PM: Southern invader Bob Malzahn is elated after he piloted the SSS to victory at Flemington. ( Ace lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 05:04:22 PM: Jackie Evans tries tthe inside of Freddy Adam with 5 laps to go. The cars finished side by side in a dead heat. They both shared the winnings of first and second. (Walter T. Chernokal photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 05:07:41 PM: The crowd awaiting the decision on the Evans/Adam dead heat. Both cars are in the throng. (Walter T. Chernokal photo). {Could you ever imagine seeing something like this now}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 05:17:28 PM: Don Bronson pilots his #1 USAC sprinter around the dirt at Reading in April, 1965. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2009, 05:19:44 PM: Otto Harwi (999) and Bob Malzahn (99) surrond the upside down #26 of Harry Moore. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: justmark on October 13, 2009, 07:56:21 PM: One addition to Dutch Hoag's win list: his first Langhorne National Open (Race of Champions) victory came in 1956!
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 14, 2009, 05:18:13 PM: Limited Sportsman star Horace Drake looks over his wreaked car. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 14, 2009, 05:20:27 PM: Al Tasnady proudly stands next to the # 44 that he drove so successfully during the early 60's. (Ace Lane photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 14, 2009, 05:23:01 PM: Vince Pantuso (R-10) has a little front end problem at Reading. The year was 1968. (Red Kirsch photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 14, 2009, 05:25:13 PM: Fred Adam lands upside down after flipping four or five times on the backstretch at Flemington. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 04:30:23 PM: Ray Tilley on a Sunday drive at Williams Grove (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 04:32:44 PM: Carl "Bugs" Stevens and Ray Hendrick at speed on the front straight at Trenton. (Charlie Moore photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 04:34:39 PM: Tom Elliot leads Will Cagle to the checkered flag at the New Egypt Speedway. Elliot is in the famous Don House XL-1. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 04:55:23 PM: Don Hersh tangles with the fence during the feature for Sportsman Modifieds. The impact tore out his front end, putting him out of competition for the day. There were no injuries in this action at Grandview Speedway. (Ray Harris-Tom Kelly photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 04:58:04 PM: Budd Olsen poses with the #111 after a victory at Flemington. ( Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:00:04 PM: Rags Carter With the win at Reading. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:01:47 PM: Chamberlain and "Giant Eater" win first feature at Winchester Speedway. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:11:44 PM: Jackie McLaughlin in Luck Jordan's #2, brings the fans to their feet as he duels for the win with Al Tasnady in the #44. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:13:43 PM: Al Tasnady poses with "the Gypsy" (707) owned by the famous Wolfe Deasey team. The picture was taken at Trenton. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:23:28 PM: Joe Kelly pilots the famed X-L1 around slower car as he heads for victory at Vineland. (Ace Lane photo) {#24 was a smoker}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:25:36 PM: The Lincoln powered X-L1 sits in victory lane with the now USAC champion, Wally Dallenbach. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:34:20 PM: Jackie Mosehera died in a highway acccident in 1971 while enroute to National Gaurd duty. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:39:55 PM: Howie Brown of Staten Island...passed away in December of '68. Weissglass track champion in 1959 and 1960. Also drove at Fort Dix, Oldbridge, Harmony, Nazareth, Langhorne, Flemington and East Windsor. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:52:36 PM: Elton Hildreth of Bridgeton won the feature race at Old Bridge, this making his fourth win at the 1/2 mile oval. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:54:31 PM: Bobby Pickell (707) and Harry Garber (29A) lead Harry Moore through a turn at Reading. (D&B Racing photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 05:56:07 PM: Ed Golke (19x) headed the wrong way in limited action at East Windsor. (John Reilly photo)
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Post by: justmark on October 15, 2009, 05:58:25 PM: Elton Hildreth recently celebrated his 95th birthday.
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Post by: Larry756 on October 15, 2009, 06:03:41 PM: I presume that should be pictures attached?
I have no pictures at all, maybe because I have a Mac. :'( :'(
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Post by: MOD27NY on October 15, 2009, 06:17:34 PM: Don Diffendorf with John Manny's car
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Post by: MOD27NY on October 15, 2009, 06:29:18 PM: Diffendorf at Syracuse in1972
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Post by: Larry756 on October 15, 2009, 06:31:16 PM: Ask and you shall receive !!!!! ;D :-*
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Post by: Larry756 on October 15, 2009, 06:42:55 PM: I found if you are not logged in you do not see the pictures.
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Post by: MOD27NY on October 15, 2009, 07:38:56 PM: Ray Hendrick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mkPTDSmXAc#normal)
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Post by: MOD27NY on October 15, 2009, 07:41:07 PM: Richie Evans - Tribute - NASCAR Modified Legend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMn0GOm6RK0#normal)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 08:51:40 PM: Thanks for that information Larry..I had some folks from work tell me they couldn't see the pictures...I'll pass that on
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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 09:22:20 PM: Here are some photos of the one and only NASCAR Race at Vernon Downs Raceway just across the street from Utica Rome Speedway
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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 09:26:14 PM: Photo for blackjack

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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 09:34:47 PM: Working on a car called PROJECT X-47. Check out the website projectx-47.org
Here are some other car sitting in the weeds. Im interested in any cars out there that raced in the Northeast that can be saved. Can anyone find any cars to rescue? Call me Danny Ody (518)869-7631

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Post by: heroth00 on October 15, 2009, 09:39:24 PM: Hey Danny,

I know that the Boneyard on Rt. 28 between Herkimer and Richfield Springs have plenty of old cars with numbers on them. Not sure of any history and not even sure of the name of the place. I'll try to find out some info.

Kreig Heroth
Mod 00
SBS 44
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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 09:44:12 PM: Thanks for the lead on Rt. 28. I went past there about a month ago checking out Richfield Springs Speedway that isnt far from there. I did call a phone number to those cars right by the road, one sitting on a hauler. He was WAY WAY over priced for me.
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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 09:45:37 PM: SYRACUSE FAIRGROUNDS 1918

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Post by: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 09:52:57 PM: The car DannyO posted of #56 was his Dad's, John Ody...my uncle and all time hero and the reason both of us are mixed up in this crazy world of racing...I've got a tear in my eye
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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 09:57:38 PM: PROJECT X-47.........The Big Dig
Check out the whole day of digging the car out of the woods.

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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 10:03:23 PM: This is me at Fulton Speedway Final Season Race awarding the trophy to Lee Osborne 1969.........I was 9 years old

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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 10:21:35 PM: Brewerton Speedway 1951.......ASPHALT

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Post by: DannyO on October 15, 2009, 10:28:40 PM: COMING NOVEMBER 14th. Old Speedways DVD VOLUME 2

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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 10:44:31 AM: Jim Brian and his top mechanic pose with team drivers Bob Pickell (A2A) and Charlie Cregar (A4)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 10:46:31 AM: Les Katona's wreaked K-3 sits upside down at Flemington. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 10:49:58 AM: The opening show for modifieds came with a classic. At the finish, veteran Ray Hendrick out foxed young sensation Geoff Bodine for the win. Maynard Troyer gives chase in third spot. ( Walter T. Chernokal photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 10:51:32 AM: This was taken just seconds after Gary Chartrand left the car which was afire at Fonda. (Bergh-Pade photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 10:53:25 AM: Pat Wohglemuth drives his traditional #168 around during the 60's. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:19:00 AM: Bobby Unser (3) passes Steve Krisiloff (21) in consi at Reading in 1967. (Arnie deBrier Racing photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:20:28 AM: URC feature shortened by rain. Bob Wielky was declared the winner. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:22:25 AM: Al Tasnady takes one of his many checker flags at Flemington. Chasing him across the line is Bob Malzahn in the SSS. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:23:44 AM: Hoop Schiable, with black hat, poses next to his #95. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:26:55 AM: Bobby Abel. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:27:33 AM: Russ Smith. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:28:28 AM: Jim Sheaffer. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:29:13 AM: Lynn Paxton. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:30:13 AM: Ray Fanning. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:31:02 AM: Irvin King. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:31:50 AM: Ray Tilley. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: justmark on October 17, 2009, 11:34:12 AM: The Ray Hendrick shot with Geoff Bodine and Maynard Troyer was the first Pocono Modified event.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:44:12 AM: Johnny Roberts, three time national champion. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:46:22 AM: Augie Moschera poses with trophy after victory at Fort Dix Speedway. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:56:48 AM: Joe Weatherly. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:58:40 AM: Glenn "Fireball" Roberts. (area auto racing news) {these two guys should have been elected into the NASCAR hall of fame the first time!! JMO}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 11:59:27 AM: Jackie Evans. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 12:00:12 PM: Jackie Evans. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 17, 2009, 12:02:35 PM: Joe Csiki...1935-1967. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:16:03 AM: In Memoriam...Eddie Sachs. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:16:50 AM: In Memoriam...Chuck Rodee. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:17:54 AM: In Memoriam...Dave MacDonald. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:18:40 AM: In Memoriam...Billy Foster. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:19:26 AM: In Memoriam...Ron Lux. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:20:12 AM: In Memoriam...Tony Bonadies. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:21:08 AM: In Memoriam...Larry Rice. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:22:18 AM: In Memoriam...Ralph Soulia. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:23:46 AM: In Memoriam...Frank Gorichkey. (area auto racing news){ Is Susquehanna now Penn Can?}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:38:39 AM: Les Farley (808), Otto Harwi (999) and Vince Conrad (9) flash by the grandstand in a classic duel. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:41:34 AM: Bob Rossell (4) loses control of his mount as he tangles with Ed Farley (SSS) and an unidentified driver in car 2B. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:43:49 AM: This photo was taken from the woods outside turn two at Old Bridge. Driver Tom Elliot was not hurt. (Dave Innes photo)
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Post by: 24KC on October 18, 2009, 11:44:30 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:23:46 AM
In Memoriam...Frank Gorichkey. (area auto racing news){ Is Susquehanna now Penn Can?}
Susquehanna is Susquehanna. Susquehanna was open before Penn Can. Penn Can got its name from the new Penn Can Highway ( I 81)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:47:22 AM: Charlie Jarzombek (1) spins his mount in front of George Tet at Islip. (Dave Innes photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 11:49:27 AM: Rags Carter takes Tex Enright's checker flag in opening day action at Nazareth. Bill Wimble (33) is chasing him across. (John Reilly photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:11:42 PM: Kenny Brightbill climbs up to get a better view of Grandview. Note the rear wheels missing. (Red Kirsch photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:16:56 PM: Bob Pickell (2), Dudie Bady (43) and Larry Brown (19A) after accident at Flemington. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:19:00 PM: Budd Olsen takes the Piscopo #39 around the Reading oval during this early 60's action. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:22:27 PM: The #3 with Mike sickle behind the wheel spins toward the fence. Jack Reilly (background) and Lee McBride (11) are coming on. (John Reilly photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:25:40 PM: Sportsman Steve Elias is forced to the infield just before a 4 car accident on June 20, 1964 at Wall Stadium. Frank Myroncuk of New Egypt swerves to avoid pileup. (John Fitzpatrick photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:36:04 PM: Gene Gamache. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:38:11 PM: Gene Gamache. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:39:21 PM: Gene Gamache. (area auto racing news) {gotta love the Studebaker Hawk}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:40:52 PM: Wally Dallenbach sits in the #14 prior to a feature at Vineland. (Ace Lane Racing photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:49:57 PM: Red hot sportsman driver Don Stives of Trenton won his fourth 1964 feature at Wall Stadium. Stives is making a shambles of the sportsman point standings. Car is owned by John Norcia of New Brunswick. (John Fitzpatrick photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 12:54:28 PM: Will Cagle's #24 on the inside and Frankie Schneider's #2 on the outside go head to head during the All-Star race at Orange County July 12th. Schneider went on for the win. (Dave Innes photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 01:01:36 PM: Jud Larson...perished in a sprint car accident with Red Riegel at Reading (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 18, 2009, 01:03:45 PM: "Where the heck is he at?" Jim Keppley is obviously worried about Dick Tobias' action at Reading. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 19, 2009, 09:33:47 PM: Even the great drivers dump it once in a while. Here is Al Tasnady's #39 in the first turn at Reading. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 19, 2009, 09:35:46 PM: Tas after a Reading victory in the Cozze #44. Car owner Dick Cozze with trophy... between them isAl Gaspari. (T&B Deeds photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 19, 2009, 09:37:01 PM: Al Becker climbs out of his car after a flip at Flemington. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 19, 2009, 09:38:42 PM: Whip Mulligan refreshes himself at Nazareth as the late Jackie Evans awaits his turn. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 21, 2009, 04:01:36 PM: Ed Flemke's 2x being pulled back after he went over the top at Thompson. (Bill Blaser photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 21, 2009, 04:03:22 PM: Dutch Schaefer battles Johnny Cox in midget action at Hershey Stadium. (Arnie deBrier photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 21, 2009, 04:06:55 PM: Fred Desaro with the checker flag. Score cards were re-checked and Bugs Stevens was awarded the win at Thompson and the lions share of the $10,000 purse. (Bill Balser photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 21, 2009, 06:07:45 PM: Jay Strong flips his #505 in action at Nazareth. Charlie Shire (29) and Bob Rossell (36) miss action (sic). (Dave Innes photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 21, 2009, 06:09:50 PM: Charlie Gilmore gets the checkered flag from starter Red Lesher at Grandview during a sportsman show. (Red Kirsh photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 21, 2009, 06:11:30 PM: Track crew goes to aid of Pee Wee Griffin after Griffin hit pole at Reading. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 21, 2009, 06:14:05 PM: A pileup at Reading. Beader Kennedy (98), Jackie Evans (77), Russ Delp (21) and Harry Moore (68). (Stanley Pietruzynski photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2009, 06:46:19 PM: No caption on photo...Guessing it is Bobby Gerhart. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2009, 06:51:23 PM: Bobby Gerhart with the checkers at Lincoln Speedway. (area auto racing news) {If you've never been to Lincoln you HAVE to get their at least once in your life!}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2009, 06:53:52 PM: Ed Pratt, in Herb Vail's #7, battles Al Tasnady in the Cozze #44 at Reading. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2009, 06:55:45 PM: Fran Piercell waiting for the start of a race. Note the small block Chevy winning on carbureter. (Dave Innes photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2009, 06:57:08 PM: Don Diffendorf leads Bob Merz in feature at Fulton Raceway. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2009, 06:59:46 PM: The late Jackie Evans after he won a 50 lap race at the Orange County Fairgrounds. Left to right are: Larry Granger, Evans, starter Jim Moffat, car owner John Lux and promoter Al Howard. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2009, 07:04:07 PM: Jimmy Pardue. Severely injured while tire testing at Charlotte. At the time of his death he was fourth in points in the NASCAR grand national division. Finished second in the Daytona 500 to Richie Petty {before he was King Richard}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 09:45:46 AM: Al Tasnady needs no explanation when it comes to the 60's. Records still stand that Al set at many race tracks. Here he poses in the car that held the spotlight in the 60's- the Paul Deasey 707. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 09:52:35 AM: George Sleight (41) heads into infield pit area after a tangle with another car during Windsor 100 lapper. George did a fine job and no one was hurt. Gas cans and tool boxes bent a little however. (Reilly photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 10:05:23 AM: Joe Kelly of Quakerstown, Pa., driving the Don House owned XL-1, showed his old form by being the all around winner in the 100 lap championship race at Old Bridge. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 10:06:50 AM: "Gentleman" Joe Kelly. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 10:07:39 AM: Joe Kelly in the #14. (area auto racing news)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 10:19:18 AM: Nazareth track officials line up for memorial service for Jackie McLaughlin who was killed on the half mile a week earlier. From left to right: Dave Schlenker, Johnny Cathers, Jim Smith, Tex Enright, Horsey Unganst, Charlie Sampson and Johnny Long. (area auto racing news) {A recurring theme in this book was the loss of life..I can remember, as a kid, hearing about drivers perishing quite often. We've come a long way}
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 10:22:02 AM: Sportsman ace Sam Beavers sports his sunday clothes after a race. With Sam is NASCAR official Bob Sall who is checking out the safety of such a uniform. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 10:29:38 AM: {This is it...The last picture from this impressive tome. Thanks again to Jeff Brown. If you've got some neat old pictures you would like to post, don't be shy. To avoid the wrath of professional photog's credit the photos....I'll beg jeff to dig out more!}
Vince Conrad flies through the air in his #9 as Les Farley takes to the inside in action at Flemington. (Ace Lane photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 24, 2009, 10:36:20 AM: Dirt Trackin' from 1983...Can you name them? (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: 24KC on October 24, 2009, 12:16:07 PM: Top is Tony Corcoran bottom is Denny Soltis
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 25, 2009, 08:10:35 AM: DIRT Trackin' from 1983...Dave Lukowski photos
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Post by: Frasson118 on October 26, 2009, 12:17:09 AM: Eddie Marshall and "The Monk"...?
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 26, 2009, 05:08:29 PM: You got it! Here's something I found while researching another project.....(Indianapolis Motor Speedway/ Mary Ellen Loscar. No photographer credited).
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Post by: Greg Birosh on October 26, 2009, 05:35:00 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 26, 2009, 05:08:29 PM
You got it! Here's something I found while researching another project.....(Indianapolis Motor Speedway/ Mary Ellen Loscar. No photographer credited).
Is that Jerry Lewis in the car and Dean Martin leaning over next to him, pointing? If so, any idea what they were doing?
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 26, 2009, 08:20:35 PM: Mugging for the camera!!!!
(sorry about your luck Saturday night)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2009, 08:36:52 PM: From Super Star Review 1978...Who Is It? (no photographer credited)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 28, 2009, 08:03:24 PM: Is this a stumper?
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Post by: no74falcon on October 28, 2009, 08:44:47 PM: Well I know that it is for me Blackjack
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on October 28, 2009, 09:18:55 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 28, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
Is this a stumper?
Well, I'm stumped! The car looks a lot like a Valley car (Les Alberti built a bunch that the body looked a lot like this one) but by the time most of these programs you have been showing were printed, the Valley would have been DIRT and this program is not DIRT.
I'm guessing Albany Saratoga / Devils bowl maybe?
But I have no clue who the driver is.
Darrell
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 28, 2009, 09:38:20 PM: I'm amazed!!! I think this is a first. The name on the program was Garry Waters (or maybe walters..it's blurry)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 28, 2009, 09:43:32 PM: Here's another...I didn't black out the name as I can't make it out...maybe you guys can.
From 1978...DIRT magazine...couldn't make out a photographer either.
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Post by: Modbuilder on October 28, 2009, 10:29:18 PM: The E1 would be Fran Bohne, probably taken at Canandaigua as I believe that he ran primarily there. I remember the dash looking like an airplane cockpit with all the gauges he had in there. If memory serves me correctly, Fran was a tractor puller before getting into mods.
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Post by: justmark on October 29, 2009, 12:17:59 AM: I remember Fran Bohne racing at Ransomville. Fran went back to tractor pulling after leaving the Modifieds.....
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Post by: Tangletongue on October 29, 2009, 05:54:58 AM: Fran ran Woodhull in the early/mid seventies with a Barracuda Late Model with a big block. One night, the car caught fire and before the fire crew could take two steps toward the car the fire was out. He had the first in car fire extinguishment system I had ever seen on a short track car... this would've been '72 to '74, before he moved to Modifieds. Always on the leading edge of technology, the last tractor I saw him build/run was powered by a jet/turbine from a helicopter.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 30, 2009, 04:40:39 PM: I went back and looked at that picture of the E-1...The nerf bars are amazing!
Here's another DIRT Trackin' cover from 1994...A couple of them are easy....
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Post by: Greg Birosh on October 30, 2009, 05:41:00 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 30, 2009, 04:40:39 PM
I went back and looked at that picture of the E-1...The nerf bars are amazing!
Here's another DIRT Trackin' cover from 1994...A couple of them are easy....
I can give you the easy ones, Joe Plazek #1 on top, Doug Hoffman #1 and Jack Johnson #12A in the small photo, but all I know about the #32 is that it was a Lebanon Valley car whose driver I can't think of. Can I get a hint?
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 30, 2009, 11:49:14 PM: not sure where the guy in the #32 raced...and the dude in the #1 isn't Hoffman....
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 01, 2009, 10:38:14 AM: The #32 is Butch McWhirt...The #1 in the small pic is Alan Johnson....Here's another. Dirt Trackin' Magazine from 1983. I left the names visable as I couldn't make out the first one. (photos by ?/D. Lukowski)
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Post by: 24KC on November 01, 2009, 11:02:51 AM: Bottom photo is Danny and The Monk. Is the top Brian Stevens ?
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Post by: Greg Birosh on November 02, 2009, 01:31:53 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 30, 2009, 11:49:14 PM
not sure where the guy in the #32 raced...and the dude in the #1 isn't Hoffman....
Figures, all the time Hoffman was in that car and the very short stint that Alan had in it, and I get it wrong. Oh well.
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Post by: Greg Birosh on November 02, 2009, 01:40:42 PM: Quote from: 24KC on November 01, 2009, 11:02:51 AM
Bottom photo is Danny and The Monk. Is the top Brian Stevens ?
Correct, the Groff Tire 44 is none other than St. Catherines, Ontario's own Flyin' Brian Stevens.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 03, 2009, 03:47:08 PM: From 1972...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: canadianfan on November 03, 2009, 06:32:46 PM: Don Diffendorf (sp?)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 04, 2009, 04:50:04 PM: From 1973. (photographers name not given)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 04, 2009, 05:01:19 PM: from 1982...can't make out the photographers name...
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Post by: Greg Birosh on November 04, 2009, 05:14:00 PM: Kenny Brightbill (97)

Dick Sundgren (44s) and Kenny Tremont, Jr. (115)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 04, 2009, 07:26:54 PM: I have some that are obvious... From a 1976 "DIRT" program. (no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 04, 2009, 07:35:10 PM: BUZZIE! My eyes are terrible, but I think the date on this is 1978 (Correct me if I'm wrong, but there weren't many coupes and coaches running at that point if my memory serves me right) (photo composite by Dave Lukowski...I think?)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 05, 2009, 03:59:43 PM: From 1994..DIRT Trackin' magazine....(photos by Dave Lukowsi)
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Post by: ridecar on November 05, 2009, 06:10:46 PM: Gary Tomkins top #32 and Scott Schrader bottom #58. What'd I win?
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 05, 2009, 06:18:20 PM: get photo of Will Cagle, wow i remember watching him run , showing up with his multi car hauler. brings back fond memories
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Post by: Greg Birosh on November 06, 2009, 09:43:36 AM: Quote from: ridecar on November 05, 2009, 06:10:46 PM
Gary Tomkins top #32 and Scott Schrader bottom #58. What'd I win?
Good thing you got to this one first, Kellogg, I think I recognize those guys! ;D
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 06, 2009, 12:20:14 PM: I remember those Buzzie cars like it was yesterday.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 06, 2009, 06:53:22 PM: Sorry Ridecar...the prize vault is empty. I didn't notice the "Birosh" sticker on Tompkins car until I looked at it again...It's no wonder Greg would have had that one...was the Schrader car one of your dads also? Here's another DIRT Trackin' magazine cover from 1994...
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Post by: modcrew18 on November 07, 2009, 12:51:45 AM: Jimmy Bigelo in the 16. I believe one of the Willard cars in the background.
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Post by: Greg Birosh on November 09, 2009, 10:27:36 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on November 06, 2009, 06:53:22 PM
Sorry Ridecar...the prize vault is empty. I didn't notice the "Birosh" sticker on Tompkins car until I looked at it again...It's no wonder Greg would have had that one...was the Schrader car one of your dads also? Here's another DIRT Trackin' magazine cover from 1994...
Yup, Schrader ran them, too. On the next cover, modcrew18 beat me to the 16 of Bigelo. As for the background, I think that might be Guy McPherson since it's a Bicknell car, but that is still the same team/family. I think Bill and Tammy Willard were still running their Birosh cars in '94, though I could be wrong. I can only make out Billy Decker in the small photo, if I could get it to come up full size, I might be able to see the other car. The bottom photo threw me off for a moment, as I knew it was from Can-Am and my first thought was Scott Parliament, but with that car being 90NY, I'm going to say it's Rob Winters. I'm pretty sure the yellow 81 behind him is Bobby Makinson.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 09, 2009, 07:52:07 PM: Good eye Mister Birosh. the only one you didn't get was The Mike DePalma #23.
Another picture, this one from Oswego..
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 10, 2009, 07:40:18 PM: From 1972... (no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 10, 2009, 07:43:06 PM: from 1979...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 10, 2009, 07:46:50 PM: cover of Oswego yearbook...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 10, 2009, 07:50:55 PM: from 1971...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: ron.m on November 10, 2009, 07:54:16 PM: Steve Goia not sure of the spelling And Maynard Troyer
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 10, 2009, 08:29:46 PM: I keep finding really cool stuff on ebay...Like this. (no photographer listed)
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Post by: JDK34j on November 10, 2009, 08:31:17 PM: Brightbill & Tobias?
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Post by: tcjet8 on November 11, 2009, 06:47:32 PM: The Pine Chuck Ciprich , Cheney thats all I can pick out
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 11, 2009, 07:02:18 PM: From 1972. One of my favorites... George Ely
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 11, 2009, 07:11:38 PM: From 1981 (??)..I can't make out the photographer...(maybe someone w/ better eyes can.)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 11, 2009, 07:15:53 PM: Labor Day program from 1982 (no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 11, 2009, 07:18:43 PM: One for the Weltys... from 1972 (no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 11, 2009, 07:26:47 PM: I thought these were kind of interesting... from 1973 (no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 11, 2009, 07:28:32 PM: Another one from Califonia...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 13, 2009, 10:13:43 AM: From 1972 (no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 13, 2009, 10:16:38 AM: From 1972..(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 13, 2009, 10:19:10 AM: Shaefer 100 program from 1976...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 14, 2009, 08:10:53 AM: From 1979...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 14, 2009, 08:12:47 AM: From 1980...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 14, 2009, 08:18:39 AM: From Penn National...(photographer is credited in text, but I can't make it out)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 15, 2009, 06:36:14 PM: From 1977...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 16, 2009, 04:36:54 PM: From a 1993 shopping publication (if you can believe that). Can you name them? (no photographer listed)
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Post by: Greg Birosh on November 16, 2009, 05:23:20 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on November 16, 2009, 04:36:54 PM
From a 1993 shopping publication (if you can believe that). Can you name them? (no photographer listed)
Awesome, Bob, more Birosh cars! The 51 of "Mr. Ford Power" Mike Colsten and the 3j of "The Pink Panther" Chuck Akulis. You're making this too easy for me. ;D
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on November 16, 2009, 05:35:46 PM: Bob, Could you find that auction for the osgood program and e-mail it to me? I can't find it. Maybe its ended? Thanks, Rip rripley@stny.rr.com
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 16, 2009, 07:51:40 PM: Hi Rip...I believe the ebay user name for that guy is super75mike...give it a try...good luck!
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 16, 2009, 07:55:21 PM: Boy thats a lot of Birosh cars!! Here's one from 1972 (no photographer listed)
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Post by: justmark on November 16, 2009, 07:59:56 PM: Don Kranz took the picture of Richie Evans at Oswego in 1972.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 16, 2009, 08:01:06 PM: Thanks Mark. One from Reading...
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 17, 2009, 05:04:44 PM: from Oswego...(no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 17, 2009, 07:52:39 PM: from 1972...Waterloo regular Wee Willie Allen. (no photographar listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 17, 2009, 07:56:13 PM: from 1971... (no photographers listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 17, 2009, 09:00:31 PM: Found gobs of stuff tonight...Here's the first one. From Illustrated Speedway News 7-26-1956...No info available (no photographer info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 17, 2009, 09:05:15 PM: Illustrated Speedway News... 1-20-1953...No info available (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 17, 2009, 09:09:52 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News 1-26-54...No Info available. (No photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2009, 07:49:50 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News. 9-7-65. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2009, 07:52:04 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News. 6-13-67. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2009, 07:54:43 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News.7-11-67. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2009, 08:00:15 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...4-10-56. (Bob Sheldon photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2009, 08:02:45 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News.9-3-66. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2009, 08:05:26 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News.5-1-56. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2009, 08:31:04 PM: from the Oswego Eagle...Opening Day 1980. (no photographer info )
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 19, 2009, 03:58:17 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News.5-11-54. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 19, 2009, 04:03:30 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News.5-13-75. (top photo...David Knox. Bottom photo...Harold Calla?)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 19, 2009, 04:10:55 PM: Cover of Salt City 100 program...Pancho Carter was the car on the outside in the top picture from the previous post. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: Tangletongue on November 20, 2009, 05:46:39 AM: re: post#329... Bob, you may have happened upon one of the first "mini stock" classes. The three cars pictured appear to be Crosley sedans. Track appears to be a "stadium" (temporary?) layout. I've seen a number of Crosley bodied Modifieds, but I don't remember ever seeing a stock Crosley made into a race car...
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 20, 2009, 11:38:18 AM: Some great photos there guys, thank you
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 05:58:08 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News..(no Date). Dutch Shaefer pilots the #6 through a wreak in midget action at Williams Grove. (Jim Lamgan photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:01:03 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News. 6-25-1957. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:04:06 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News. 6-28-1966. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:06:39 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News.7-25-67. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:09:44 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News.7-5-1966. (No photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:13:57 PM: From Oswego Speedway...Satch Worley in The insert and Richie storming to the lead on the start...gotta love it! (photographers unknown)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:48:28 PM: From Jones Speedway program in Newark Ohio...(no date, but the program cost 10c) (no photographer info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:51:13 PM: from cover of Shaefer 200 calander 1983-1984. (no photographer info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:53:55 PM: I thought this was kind of interesting...(no photographers listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 06:59:05 PM: A.J. Foyt getting some air...From cover of Manzanita Speedway program.. That's in Arizona. (1968) (no photographer info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 20, 2009, 07:05:55 PM: program from Gilmore Stadium in Hollywood Calif. circa 1949...Very cool artwork. Not sure who the artist is.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 10:46:12 AM: From Shaefer 100 program...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 10:51:37 AM: from a Lincoln Speedway program...(Dave Myers photo?)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 10:58:02 AM: From Illusrated Speedway News...2-5-1953...Action from Carrell Speedway in California. (no photographer info available)
While checking out where Carrell was located, I stumbled on a cool web-site w/ shots from the west coast... StockcarReunion.com Worth a look
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 11:03:48 AM: From Illusrated Speedway News...7-10-1962... (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 11:05:57 AM: From Illusrated Speedway News...7-10-1962... (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 11:24:18 AM: Cover of 1965 Indiana State Fair program w/ 1964 winner A.J. Foyt. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 11:26:56 AM: Cover of 1963 Indiana State Fair program w/ USAC champion Paul Goldsmith (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 11:33:09 AM: Nazareth Speedway program cover from 1975...(Bob Snyder photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 11:37:28 AM: From cover of 7-8-1951 Milwaukee State Fair race program (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 21, 2009, 11:43:54 AM: From 1978 DIRT souvenir program. (no photographer info available) Curious as to who was in the #12?
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 04:24:58 PM: From Illusrated Speedway News...7-7-1966... (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 04:29:00 PM: From Illusrated Speedway News...7-25-1961... (no photographer info available) This was captioned "Too Close For Comfort
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 04:32:04 PM: From Illusrated Speedway News...8-15-1967... (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 04:33:44 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...8-15-1967...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 04:41:09 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...8-1-1967...(no photographer info available) Tommy McAndrews trying to find a way around Dick Haven (47), Bob Bossell (36) and Leon Manchester (7) at Reading Fairgrounds.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 04:43:42 PM: From Reading...Chamberlin and Brightbill fender to fender. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 04:46:38 PM: From Reading... (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 06:45:45 PM: Found this very interesting photo while purusing the internet...Track is in Spain and while abandoned is still standing..60 degrees of banking! (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 22, 2009, 06:49:44 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine from sept. of '81...(Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 03:48:25 PM: From "Peter Webster's International Speedway Review"...A little Sprint action from down under. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 03:52:07 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...1-18-55...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 03:54:39 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...8-8-1961...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 03:57:01 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...8-10-1965...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 03:59:09 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...8-17-1954...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: Frasson118 on November 23, 2009, 04:00:35 PM: "From 1978 DIRT souvenir program. (no photographer info available) Curious as to who was in the #12?"

The #12 next to Lazzaro, is Don Van Guilder
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 04:03:05 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...6-15-1965...(no photographer info available)...I would love to hear the story on this one if anyone has any info!
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 04:06:07 PM: Cover of 1972 Roliling Wheels program...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 24, 2009, 12:21:37 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on November 23, 2009, 04:03:05 PM
From Illustrated Speedway News...6-15-1965...(no photographer info available)...I would love to hear the story on this one if anyone has any info!

same here..lol
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Post by: Tangletongue on November 24, 2009, 01:06:10 PM: re: Illustrated Speedway News 6-15-1965...

Australian Formula One driver Paul Hawkins crashed his #10 Lotus -Climax into Monte Carlo Bay (Monaco Grand Prix) on Memorial day becoming the second driver in the history of the race to do so. Military SCUBA divers on stand by in the bay rescued Paul and he lived to race another day... although I don't believe he ever made another F1 start.

BTW The only other driver to have taken a Monaco bath was Alberto Ascari in 1955... I believe in a Ferrari.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:16:30 PM: Tangle Tounge...Thanks for the info...I never would have put that one together...That must have been the same accident they used footage from for the movie "Grand Prix"
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:19:59 PM: from an Oakland Stadium Speedway poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:23:16 PM: from an Altoona Speedway poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:26:23 PM: From an Ascot Speedway poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:29:28 PM: Cover of 1975 Oswego Speedway Yearbook...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:33:05 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...9-6-1966...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:34:20 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...9-6-1966...(no photographer info available)...I think she was trying to "Dodge" the camera...
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:37:20 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...9-7-1965...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:40:23 PM: Cover of Penn National Speedway program..(can't quite make out the photographers name)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 24, 2009, 04:45:36 PM: Cover from Perris Auto Speedway program...Located in sunny California. (no photographer info available)...If you have lucky program #33493 you have won a dream date with Paris Hilton
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Post by: Walt on November 24, 2009, 05:07:40 PM: Here are pic's of my faveroite class, hope you all enjoy em
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Post by: Walt on November 24, 2009, 05:49:37 PM: last one for now
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Post by: millhouse828 on November 24, 2009, 06:53:30 PM: keep em comin walt, those old late models were the best. i was just a youngen then, but i am just a lover of the full fender action. my dad is bill miller, and i know he had some battles with some of the hoffmeir boys. they got together at dundee, and when we made the trek to skyline a couple times
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Post by: RAMJET on November 24, 2009, 07:22:35 PM: WOW!! These old late models bring back some great memories. The dirt late models are my favorite class to this day! I wish we had more of them at the our area tracks.
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Post by: Walt on November 24, 2009, 07:45:43 PM: And to think they could take these cars and race all over the state and not problem with rules.
I hope the track promoters get the hint and help the Pure/Street Stocks - UMP Stockcars out.

Also if anyone can't see the old latemodels here on raceny? you can go to www.skylineracewayny.com (http://www.skylineracewayny.com) and check em out
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Post by: m2vrace on November 24, 2009, 08:18:12 PM: Walt I love you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you get a BIG attaboy .......... can any one tell me why it was cool any time Hal Monell won ,and who was his team mate?
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Post by: Walt on November 24, 2009, 08:45:44 PM: Michael, here is something I think you'll enjoy
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 25, 2009, 05:12:34 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...9-11-1962...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 25, 2009, 05:17:31 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...5-10-1966...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 25, 2009, 05:19:45 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...9-19-1967...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 25, 2009, 05:22:26 PM: From an Ascot racing poster. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 25, 2009, 05:25:52 PM: From an Aurora Speedway racing poster. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 25, 2009, 05:30:37 PM: From a Balboa Stadium racing poster. Located in San Diego, it was the original home of the San Diego Chargers...Still in use.
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Post by: racer8g on November 25, 2009, 10:36:09 PM: Walt great latemodel pics.Keep them comming.
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Post by: racer8g on November 25, 2009, 10:40:55 PM: I was to young to remember most of the latemodel drivers,but I do remember that Tommy Williams was real fast.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 10:47:00 AM: From Illustrated Speedway News...8-22-1967...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 10:51:27 AM: Racing poster from Bonelli Stadium (Saugus Raceway) in Calif.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 10:55:20 AM: Program cover form Buffalo Civic Stadium midget races (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 11:11:05 AM: Racing poster from Carpinteria Thunder Bowl (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 11:13:14 AM: Racing poster from Ascot (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:39:51 PM: Racing poster from Carrell Speedway (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:44:06 PM: racing poster from Castle Hill in the Bronx... 1/4 mile track started as dirt and then pavement...very short life
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:48:33 PM: Racing poster from Corona Show Grounds. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:51:42 PM: cover of Flemington race program (1992)...photos by Mel Stettler
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:53:59 PM: Cover of Oswego Speedway calander (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:57:50 PM: Cover of reading fairgrounds race program (no photographer info available)
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Post by: no74falcon on November 26, 2009, 12:59:11 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:53:59 PM
Cover of Oswego Speedway calander (no photographer info available)

Excellent photo of 2 of my hereos. Thanks Bob.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 12:59:41 PM: Cover of reading fairgrounds race program (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 01:01:52 PM: Cover of reading fairgrounds race program (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 01:05:47 PM: 1965 Reading Fairgrounds sprint car poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 01:07:47 PM: 1957 Reading Fairgrounds sprint car poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2009, 01:09:31 PM: 1958 Reading Fairgrounds sprint car poster (no info available)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 26, 2009, 10:53:05 PM: Here's one from Five Mile point. Someone varify but I believe it's Dick Sungren in the #44s, Both cars are Kneisel Chassis.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 26, 2009, 10:56:27 PM: OK...here's a hard one. Can anyone identify the driver of the "0" or is it the "OX" in this photo.......Darrell, you're not allowed to tell!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 26, 2009, 10:58:15 PM: This is the same car as the one in the "0" photo if that helps anyone narrow it down.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 26, 2009, 10:59:28 PM: Ha Ha ...I just saw my captions post as well....so there goes any mystery.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 02:57:16 PM: Racing poster from Culver City Speedway (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 02:59:20 PM: Racing poster from Culver City Speedway (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:01:40 PM: Racing poster from Culver City Speedway (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:04:13 PM: 1992 program cover from Grandview (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:06:54 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...8-7-1962...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:09:20 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...7-28-1964...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:14:01 PM: Racing poster from the "New Dayton Speedway" circa 1940 (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:53:14 PM: DIRT Trackin' from 1982 (Romono/Little photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:54:58 PM: DIRT Trackin' from 1983 (Lukowski/Klines photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 03:56:16 PM: DIRT Trackin' from 1983 (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: modcrew18 on November 27, 2009, 04:25:36 PM: Anyone remember Torrisi flipping that Mudd Buss down the front stretch at Ransomviile? One of the wildest rides i've seem in 30+ years at the big R.
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Post by: justmark on November 27, 2009, 04:28:07 PM: Yep, I remember Bill Torrisi's Ransomville flip with his #65 over 25 years ago....
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:36:33 PM: Racing poster from 1975 (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:38:42 PM: Racing poster from 1983 (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:40:47 PM: Racing poster from 1923..Fresno, Calif. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:43:05 PM: 1949 racing poster from Gilmore Stadium. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:45:34 PM: 1952 racing poster from Honolulu (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:47:42 PM: Racing Poster from Hudson Speedway in Hudson N.H. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:49:35 PM: 1948 racing poster from Huntington Beach Calif. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:51:28 PM: Racing poster from Huntington Beach Calif. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:54:17 PM: Illinois State Fair racing poster (no info available)
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 05:54:40 PM: some great photos, love it
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:57:25 PM: 1934 racing poster from Los Angeles. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 05:59:30 PM: 1946 racing poster from Los Angeles. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:01:18 PM: 1949 racing poster from Lakeland, Calif. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:04:36 PM: 1964 racing poster from Manzanita. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:07:56 PM: Midget racing poster (no info available)
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:09:16 PM: Wow where the heck are you finding these?
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:09:47 PM: Some really great ones.....
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:10:27 PM: Would love to see some when Fulton was paved....
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:10:46 PM: Photos that is.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:14:25 PM: The internet is a beautiful thing...Just type in the right words and presto...I would NEVER copy a direct picture, but calanders, programs and posters seem like fair game. Here's another Midget poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:16:57 PM: Midget racing poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:18:44 PM: 1966 midget racing poster from oakland (no info available)
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:20:26 PM: I was wondering if anyone out there had any local folks, love the Will Cagels and others.
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:21:16 PM: Love the walt Mitchell
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:22:59 PM: Some Where I have some old action shots of Syracuse. I need to see if I can dig them out.
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:24:49 PM: they were early 70's, I could scan them and throw them on here, they are very viewable. allot of detail.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:27:16 PM: Midget racing poster (no info avialable)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:28:06 PM: Midget racing poster (no info available)
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:28:49 PM: Some of these are kinda hard to make out, is there any way to blow them up...
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:29:29 PM: 1946 midget racing poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:30:52 PM: Midget racing poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:32:25 PM: Midget racing poster from Las Vegas. (no info available)
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:33:56 PM: Oh Cool I found some of these on line, I got to blow them up a bit, pretty cool stuff.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:35:20 PM: Midget racing poster from Texas (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:36:30 PM: If you put your curser and click on the photos, they blow up a bit
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:37:08 PM: Wish I could find more local stuff
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:38:28 PM: Racing poster from Oakland
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Post by: dirtracefan on November 27, 2009, 06:38:46 PM: Ohhh damn, how stupid am I , thanks that helps allot.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:40:06 PM: Midget Racing poster (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:41:40 PM: Racing poster from Orlando (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:44:11 PM: Racing poster from Oxnard, Calif. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:45:53 PM: Ad for Paige Motor Cars (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:49:08 PM: Racing poster from IRP...(no info available). Very cool race track as is Anderson where the hold the "Little 500"...500 laps of open wheel madness!
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:51:03 PM: Racing poster from Pomona (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:53:56 PM: Midget racing poster..Riverside (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:55:22 PM: Midget racing poster..Riverside (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:57:45 PM: racing poster from Rockingham Speedway in Salem, N.H. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 06:59:35 PM: Racing poster from Sacremento (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 07:01:26 PM: racing poster from Seekonk. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 07:04:49 PM: racing poster from Southern Speedway in calif. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 07:07:30 PM: 1964 racing program cover from Trenton. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 07:09:35 PM: 1964 Trenton racing poster. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 07:12:29 PM: racing poster from Uniontown Speedway in PA. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 07:24:14 PM: 1971 racing program from Lancaster Speedway (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 07:26:36 PM: 1985 racing program from Raceway Park in Illinois. (no info available)
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Post by: justmark on November 27, 2009, 07:50:40 PM: The 1971 Lancaster Speedway program has Lockport, NY's Jim McGraw with his Late Model #49. He was the 1972 Late Model champion. Gordon Reinig Photo
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2009, 09:02:13 PM: Thanks Mark
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 10:53:49 PM: Here's one I took at Weedsport with my instamatic.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 10:56:02 PM: Another fuzzt instamatic photo by a 14 year old Dale Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 11:00:11 PM: Brother Darrell races A.J. Slideways in the Tico Conley 14J at Syracuse. Lukowski photo?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 11:12:03 PM: Here's a family portrait. L to R, Brother Darrell, me and our Dad, Norm Welty. Russ Mills photo taken at Weedsport. This was our first tube frame car, the former Ron Hall, Show-Car Engineering kit car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 11:15:02 PM: Darrell Welty with the same car as above at Rolling Wheels. Photo by me, Dale Welty
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 11:17:52 PM: Does anyone remember the identity of the Late Models in the back ground? Perhaps the Updyke 151? Didn't really pay much attention to the LM's back then and still don't. Couldn't tell you the track Champs even . Probably nobody we ever heard of.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 11:24:17 PM: CD Coville at Syracuse. Dave Lukowski photo? What was C.D.'s best Super DIRT finish?
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2009, 09:43:55 AM: 1972 Oswego Speedway program cover. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2009, 09:46:29 AM: 1974 Oswego Speedway program (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2009, 09:48:01 AM: 1974 Oswego Speedway program (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2009, 09:50:35 AM: 1975 NYS Fair Labor Day program cover (no photographer onfo available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2009, 09:53:50 AM: Schaefer Qualifier Program cover. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2009, 09:57:17 AM: A young Mike McLaughlin on cover of 1979 DIRT program. (DIRT photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2009, 09:59:08 AM: 1976 program cover from Nazareth (no photographer info available)
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Post by: Jay Mooney on November 28, 2009, 03:16:29 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2009, 11:17:52 PM
Does anyone remember the identity of the Late Models in the back ground? Perhaps the Updyke 151? Didn't really pay much attention to the LM's back then and still don't. Couldn't tell you the track Champs even . Probably nobody we ever heard of.
Dale,
The #151 LM was Bill Updyke. The blue #37 was Jeff Kappesser I believe. As for the gold LM, it looks to be #48. I have a '74 Rolling Wheels program that lists the driver of a #48 late model as a Carl Reynolds. I'm guessing that it was probably a different Carl Reynolds than the one from Scranton who drove modifieds.
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Post by: justmark on November 28, 2009, 03:25:21 PM: Rolling Wheels champions 1969-1981

1981 Will Cagle (M), Tom Williams (LM)
1980 Mike McLaughlin (M)
1979 Will Cagle (M)
1978 Will Cagle (M), Charlie Castle (LM)
1977 Johnny Podolak (M), Jeff Kappesser (LM)
1976 Will Cagle (M), Jack Emerson (LM)
1975 John McArdell (M), Mike Colsten (LM)
1974 Jim Winks (M), Mike Colsten (LM)
1973 Will Cagle (M), Don Buschbacher( LM)
1972 Jim Winks (M), Jack Naum (LM)
1971 Ed Ortiz (M), Jack Naum (LM)
1970 Lloyd Holt (M), Jack Naum (LM)
1969 Sammy Reakes

Late Model winners along with other divisions are also on the Rolling Wheels site.
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Post by: mstr56 on November 28, 2009, 07:00:43 PM: This is my first post on race NY. I have been reading for years but never registered until today. Just wanted to make sure everything works OK
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Post by: Les on November 28, 2009, 09:36:49 PM: I love those shots of Johnny Logan and Kenny Andrews
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 29, 2009, 08:53:37 AM: Here's a photo of the late J.D. McDuffie that I took from the pit stands ay WGI. I believe this was the weekend he lost his life. It was a tragedy but I didn't like the interloop as a solution although it did create a passing zone. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 29, 2009, 09:01:50 AM: Jean Guy Chartrand's Hemi-Cuda #sixty-nine lined up for the Langhorne National Open in 1971. I shot this with a box camera that my Dad got after WWII. Does anyone know who any of the people or other cars are? I went to several Race of Champions at Langhorne, Trenton and Pocono and took pictures. If I can find it I shot some 8MM Movies at Trenton and caught Ben Stevens going "Out of the Park" !
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 29, 2009, 09:48:59 AM: 1983 DIRT Trackin' Magazine... (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 29, 2009, 09:51:50 AM: 1979 DIRT program from Rolling Wheels. (no photographer info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 29, 2009, 09:54:21 AM: From Illustrated Speedway News...7-17-1964...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: justmark on November 29, 2009, 02:25:47 PM: Langhorne 1971: That's Gordy Treichler's #55 (Eddie Anchor started the season in the car) next to Guy's #69 with Roger Burdick's #54 directly in front of the #69. Behind the #55 was the Turner Brothers #18 with Lee Osborne driving that year at the final Langhorne event.

http://www.nyracezone.com/news/2008/news080114a.htm (http://www.nyracezone.com/news/2008/news080114a.htm): Langhorne 1971 story with finish
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 30, 2009, 09:55:06 AM: Cover of 1977 DIRT racing program (no photographer listed)
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Post by: Greg Birosh on November 30, 2009, 09:56:18 AM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on November 28, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
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Does anyone remember the identity of the Late Models in the back ground? Perhaps the Updyke 151? Didn't really pay much attention to the LM's back then and still don't. Couldn't tell you the track Champs even . Probably nobody we ever heard of.
Dale,
The #151 LM was Bill Updyke. The blue #37 was Jeff Kappesser I believe. As for the gold LM, it looks to be #48. I have a '74 Rolling Wheels program that lists the driver of a #48 late model as a Carl Reynolds. I'm guessing that it was probably a different Carl Reynolds than the one from Scranton who drove modifieds.
Yes, the Carl Reynolds in the late model is from Romulus, NY and I'm pretty sure that's a former Walt Mitchell Plymouth with gold paint over Walt's signature blue.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 30, 2009, 09:59:40 AM: Poster from NYS 100 miler...That's Mario pictured. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 30, 2009, 10:06:22 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine...A very youg Steve Paine. Who are the guys in the bottom photo. (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: millhouse828 on November 30, 2009, 05:26:35 PM: Hey Dale, I remember that weekend very well. Dad raced at shangri la then, the night mcduffie won his only race. that was awesome. i was also working security at the kodak tent and shook davey allisons hand.
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Post by: Chargincharlie on November 30, 2009, 09:39:38 PM: Jimmy Horton in the 3
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:10:15 AM: 1974 Oswego Speedway program cover. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:13:57 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:16:41 AM: 1994 Williams Grove program (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:24:15 AM: 1991 Williams Grove program. (can't quite make out the photographers name...Greenwalt?)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:27:02 AM: 1995 Williams Grove program (no photographer info available)..lovin' the mud plug on the 461
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:30:17 AM: 1993 DIRT Trackin' Magazine. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:32:29 AM: 1972 Weedsport Speedway program. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: Greg Birosh on December 01, 2009, 10:36:17 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on November 30, 2009, 10:06:22 AM
DIRT Trackin' Magazine...A very youg Steve Paine. Who are the guys in the bottom photo? (Dave Lukowski photos)
444 'Flyin' Brian Stevens
48 (middle) Rick Crane
9J (outside) John Birosh
30 (behind Stevens) Kenny Brightbill in the Blue Hen Trucking ride out of Delaware
I can't see enough of the car outside Brightbill to say for sure, but it looks like it might be the 12 of Fred Cade.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:47:42 AM: As always, Greg...Amazing!
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:55:47 AM: Racing program from Hinchliffe Stadium in Patterson N.J. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 10:58:09 AM: Inside page of racing program from Hinchliffe Stadium in Patterson N.J. (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2009, 11:03:32 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 02, 2009, 03:48:55 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 02, 2009, 03:50:26 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 02, 2009, 03:53:01 PM: Schaefer racing calander (photographers unknown)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 02, 2009, 07:27:02 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 02, 2009, 07:29:44 PM: Before there were modifieds......1933 racing poster from the NYS fair for Labor Day races
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 02, 2009, 07:31:25 PM: 1934 racing poster for 100 miler at NYS fairgrounds (no info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 02, 2009, 07:34:26 PM: From Illustrated Speedway News...7-14-1964...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 02, 2009, 11:04:49 PM: My Brother Darrell hooking up the back of the car before opening day. This is the second year he drove. Pavement at Chemung and Dundee on the dirt with our 57 plymouth.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2009, 11:04:35 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2009, 11:07:39 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine from 1995 (no phptographers listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2009, 11:11:27 AM: DIRT racing program (no photographer listed)...I'm really interested in the story behind this picture...Anyone out there that can shed some light on this pioneer?
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Post by: Frasson118 on December 03, 2009, 01:37:07 PM: Terry Kincaid married Modified racer, Russ Kincaid, who drove the #96 Coupe.

Russ quit driving shortly after, but Terry continued to race.

After they divorced, she married Don Buschbacher Jr, and was then known as Terry Buschbacher. I have no idea what happened to her since about 1979, when I last saw her race.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2009, 10:55:32 PM: Here's a shot I took of Terri Kincaid at Waterloo Speedway. I think this was 1976. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2009, 10:59:35 PM: Here's a Smith photo of Lee Osborne with the Turner Bros #81 coach. I believe he was Dutch Hoag's team-mate at this time but I'm not sure of the year. Perhaps 67 or 68. If anyone can fill us in, have at it. Also the track is a mystery to me.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 04, 2009, 08:23:24 AM: Darrell:
The track that the Lee Osborne pic was taken at appears to be Nazareth Speedway (the old dirt half mile) in the days when they pitted outside the track there. Probably an All-Star show in '68.
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Post by: justmark on December 04, 2009, 03:43:06 PM: Dutch Hoag left the Turner Brothers after the 1967 season from the #18 when he was Lee Osborne's teammate with the #81. Dutch was in his own #7 ride for 1968.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on December 04, 2009, 04:06:44 PM: Dutch & Ozzie were never really "teamates". Turners owned the #18 and they helped Oz when he was getting started. Just like Dutch helped him on the track at first. But Ozzie owned his own cars / had his own shop. I think he painted them orange & reversed the #18 to show appreciation for the help.
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 04, 2009, 04:31:07 PM: And then there was the third "Turner" coupe which was orange, #21. Larry Huff owned and drove it, and lived near Turner, and Lee. Mike Loescher used to hang out at Turner's, as well.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 09:19:28 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine from 1995 (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 09:21:34 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine from 1995 (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 09:35:54 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine from 1995 (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 05, 2009, 12:30:56 PM: Does anyone know this Guy?!!! In the Sandman #12 Coupe. Probably around 67 or 68. I know who it is but do you. Never knew he drove for them! J&H photo.
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Post by: 24KC on December 05, 2009, 01:06:12 PM: Could it be Merv Treichler ?, or did you just tittle the file merv to throw people off ?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 02:57:31 PM: Cover of 1980 Orange County speedway program. (Bob Perran photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 02:59:43 PM: 1992 DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 03:01:45 PM: 1992 DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 03:05:07 PM: 1977 DIRT magazine cover. (no photographer info available). Who might this be?
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 06, 2009, 01:06:30 AM: Wally Burdett
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 06, 2009, 09:12:02 AM: 1980 Nazareth Speedway program cover. (Bob Snyder photos?)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 06, 2009, 09:14:24 AM: 1981-82 Schaefer 200 calander. (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 06, 2009, 09:16:42 AM: 1937 Vanderbilt Cup program cover (no info available)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 06, 2009, 12:20:41 PM: Yes, you're right that is Merv Treichler. Here's one of my most favorite racecars of all time! The Purdy Duece about to be pushed off at Oswego. I think this is probably Bentley Warren at the wheel judging by the year of the push truck but it could be Warren Coniam. Does anybody know. Bentley's a pretty robust guy and the driver looks about right to be him. Not sure of Coniam's build. I guess we could say Warren is at the wheel and be right either way! Brown photo.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 06, 2009, 12:32:31 PM: hey Dale Welty..I was just looking at some very cool 70's-80's pics on Dirt Track Digest...There were a couple of shots of you and your brother..."The mini-mart mustang" (cool ride by the way!) Look for "racing programs"
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Post by: 112SMW on December 06, 2009, 01:21:42 PM: The photo of the Purdy duece might be Jimmy Winks.Looking at the tires on the car it is from the early 70's.
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Post by: Les on December 06, 2009, 03:11:46 PM: The Picture of the Purdy Deuce Maybe Andy Brown I know he drove for a little while
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 06, 2009, 06:50:15 PM: I have the same photo. It's Andy Brown, 1972. Coniam was driving the Solvay Auto #04, at the time, and Bentley was driving Indy cars.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 06, 2009, 07:06:05 PM: I knew you guys would get to the bottom of the Purdy Deuce riddle! We've got some great racing historians on RaceNY. I believe it is Brown in the car cause it said Brown on the back but I thought it was in reference to the photographer! In that case I'm not sure who to credit the picture to except that it is in my stack that is primarily Smith photo's.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 06, 2009, 09:03:21 PM: Here's one marked 1968 National Open. I believe it's Geoff Bodines car on the strating grid at Langehorne. I don't know the man standing by the car. I have another pic of what looks to be the same car marked 1967. Does anyone know if Geoff ran with the coupe in 67 as well? I'll post that very blurry long shot next. These pics were shot by one of us Welty's with a Kodak instamatic on 110 slide film.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 06, 2009, 09:05:18 PM: Here it is.
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 06, 2009, 10:35:39 PM: I remember Geoff's coupe in 1967 at Spencer. I think that was his 1st year in the mods. The coupe had red numbers,when it was there, but easily could've been redone for Langhorne.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 06, 2009, 11:01:43 PM: Rocket, the car does have Red Numbers...photo's are a bit faded. Does anyone know the Man in the #99 shot? It looks like he may be posing for my Dad who probably took the pic. Could it be Tom Holleran of Tom's Speed Shop....always heard he was very involved in Geoff's early Modifieds. Here's another pic from the Langhorne grid. This time it's Flyin' Brian Osgood in the #09.
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Post by: 112SMW on December 07, 2009, 05:35:35 AM: Geoff started with the modifieds in 1969.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on December 07, 2009, 09:19:32 AM: Dale,
That #99 coupe of Bodine's was owned (I'm pretty sure) by T.K. Mclean. Don't know what he looked like, but maybe that's him in the pic?

The Sandman coupe was driven by Merv for at least a couple years, I think. I know he drove it in 1967, cuz I built a model of it that year. He was always one of my favorites too....on asphalt & dirt. For a good number of years there weren't too many better.

Does anyone know whatever happened to the coupe Merv won Langhorne with in 1970? I'd love to find/restore that bad boy. I always thought it had the coolest "look"!
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Post by: Greg Birosh on December 07, 2009, 09:53:37 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 03:05:07 PM
1977 DIRT magazine cover. (no photographer info available). Who might this be?
Looks like Wally Burnett to me.
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 07, 2009, 04:43:44 PM: Quote from: Greg Birosh on December 07, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: blackjackracing on December 05, 2009, 03:05:07 PM
1977 DIRT magazine cover. (no photographer info available). Who might this be?
Looks like Wally Burnett to me.
That's who I meant. ;D
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on December 07, 2009, 05:11:40 PM: In answer to the question about Terry Kincaid / Bushbacker a few pages ago, here's the scoop as I remember it. Russ Kincaid (who used to destroy the field at Dundee in his 'singing saab' mini-stock in the late 60's and early 70's) had a modified and after he and Terry got together they took turns driving the modified. Let me say this, he may have been a terrific mini-stock driver but he was not as good in the modified. Terry was much better.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 07, 2009, 06:57:46 PM: Cool stuff... Here's another cover from 1992 DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 07, 2009, 06:59:30 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: MH on December 07, 2009, 08:14:12 PM: That does look like car owner T.K. Mclean in that photo of the 99.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 07, 2009, 10:56:18 PM: Here's one to commemorate our friend Doug Mattison who recently passed. In the Syracuse Super DIRT pits in 1975. L to R, Darrell Welty, Doug Mattison and Dale Welty. A motley looking group to be sure. I believe Darrell qualified for his first Super Dirt that year in the Kneisel High rail but the race was rain/snowed out until spring. Let's see ....Glenn Donnely's interest on $1000000. in ticket sales in the bank for 6 Months?..... NOT A BAD PAYDAY!!!! photo by either Norm or Amy Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 07, 2009, 11:04:23 PM: Here's another pic from 1975 Syracuse. I believe this is CD Coville's own car leaving the Motel on the way to the track. This was before he started winning consistantly. Obviously not a high dollar operation!
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Post by: Ford14 on December 07, 2009, 11:06:18 PM: WOW! LOL ::)
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Post by: no74falcon on December 08, 2009, 06:48:24 AM: Dale, Great shot of CD. That photo was taken by the Welty family and if so, do you remember where? Great looking operation! I love those photos. Does anyone have any photos of Lou Lazzaro and his tow rig?
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 08, 2009, 08:35:49 AM: One of my favorite tow rigs was Roger Treichler's Cadillac pulling his open wheel trailer.
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on December 08, 2009, 05:05:58 PM: Dale, That is my Uncle TK McLean standing next to the #99 Coupe. That was his pride and joy owning the cars Geoff drove for him. Could you e-mail me sometime? Rip rripley@stny.rr.com
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Post by: canadianfan on December 08, 2009, 06:32:07 PM: looks like Harvey Hainer again in the 2h
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 08, 2009, 09:57:50 PM: Here's one for Canadian Fan. A young Davey Moore...the Canadian Blast! Bob Hunter photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 08, 2009, 10:00:45 PM: Here's a Brian Osgood / Merz shot I took on the box camera at the very last Langhorne National Open in 1971. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 10, 2009, 04:09:38 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 11, 2009, 08:54:25 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2009, 11:18:08 PM: This is either 1968 or 1969 at The National Open. I believe the #22 is Billy Rafter. Not sure who the coach is but it could be Roger or Gordie Treichler. Everyone, please add your insights. Photo by Norm Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2009, 11:19:14 PM: Actually the Coach might be the loescher #88 now that I look more closely at it.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2009, 11:21:13 PM: Again this is 68 or 69 so I assume this would be Dutch Hoag on pit lane. Does anyone know the identity of the other cars? Photo by Norm Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2009, 11:26:23 PM: Here's one for the dirt crowd. I snapped this with the old box camera in 72 at the first Super Dirt race...probably qualifying race or practice. I believe it is Ivan Little in the beautiful #61 coupe...note the chrome headers. I'm not sure of the other car but I think it's a Lebanon Valley car...perhaps Dickie Larkin? Someone fill us in! Photo by Dale Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2009, 11:27:21 PM: Is that "Howie The Hat" walking by?!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2009, 11:32:00 PM: Looking back at the photo of the Rafter #22, I don't think that was from the slides I scanned so it is probably 1971 and not 68. Should have know by the tires. So I actually took that photo with the box camera and not the instamatic. Wish we'd had better camera's in the family back then & the pics would be a lot less blurry. Not sure Rafter was racing in 71 either!
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Post by: kenny5861 on December 11, 2009, 11:49:51 PM: 1971 Fulton Raceway
I may have posted this on the old RACENY
55 Gordy Triechler
16x Dave Hafner
Kodak Instamatic
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 12, 2009, 01:15:23 AM: Kenny, Is the 16X Falcon one of Maynards old cars?
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Post by: justmark on December 12, 2009, 02:09:46 AM: Dutch Hoag wasn't in the #18 ride after 1967 at Langhorne. It looks like perhaps the orange ride of Richie Evans is behind Lee Osborne driving the #18 on the right in that photo. They're all kind of blurry along with people around them as well.
Mike Loescher finished 6th with the his #88 at the '71 Langhorne show and also ran the 1970 event. Jim Hurtubise ran Rafter's #22 in 1969 to a 9th place finish. That's definitely a Rafter "looking" #22 ride though. I'd say the photo was from 1969, but I wonder why Mike Loescher's car is on the grid if he wasn't in the race..... Billy Rafter wasn't in any of the Langhorne races after the first paved one in 1965. Tom Green raced a #22 in 1971.
That's indeed Ivan Little's #61 at Syracuse.
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Post by: justmark on December 12, 2009, 03:16:17 AM: It looks like Butch Jelley's #28 behind Ivan Little at Syracuse.
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Post by: kt on December 12, 2009, 07:36:37 AM: Dave Hafner built his own stuff and I believe that is actuallya Chevy II or Nova body......

blah,blah,blah........That is Mike Loeschers coach so if he wasn't in the race in'69, it must be another year........
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Post by: justmark on December 12, 2009, 08:58:49 AM: Mike Loescher #88 started 14th with Tom Green #22 starting 15th in the 1971 Langhorne National Open event.
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Post by: modcrew18 on December 12, 2009, 04:09:45 PM: Does anyone know if the street version of the Loescher #88 still exists. I was just a kid when that was around and thought that was the coolest thing.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 12, 2009, 06:41:38 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 12, 2009, 06:44:14 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 12, 2009, 06:45:35 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: tom35 on December 12, 2009, 07:35:23 PM: The 55 Coupe was Ed Anchor sp it was a Beautiful car!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 01:58:01 AM: JustMark, You've got it right that was the 1971 National Open at Langhorne, so the drivers you said are correct. Lately I've been scanning a lot of old family photos and some of the older ones from 68 and 69 are on slides while the 70 and 71 pics are prints. I just got that one mixed into my earlier files although it's actually from 71. I also wonder about the Loscher street coach. Also the DIRT style Gremlin street rod that the sign painter named Myers built? Here's another one from 1972 Syracuse....can you name them. Track looks to be getting dusty!
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Post by: Frasson118 on December 13, 2009, 01:59:59 AM: The 55 was driven by both Ed Anchor and Gordie Treichler. Don't know which one is in this shot, but I don't recall really seeing Anchors name in Fulton Raceway results.

My guess wold be Gordie in this shot.
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Post by: Frasson118 on December 13, 2009, 02:03:44 AM: That looks like Les Alberti in the 473, and Kerry Schloder (?) in the K-46. The 19 looks like an asphalt car. Seemed like a lot of the Islip & Freeport cars had that look to them.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 02:05:03 AM: Someone mentioned Wally Burnett. I believe this is his car coming in on the trailer for the 1972 syracuse race. It's possible that it's from 1975 but I was one of the few guys still piloting a coupe in 75 so I think I would remember that! Of course it's 34+ years ago! Man the girls I like to look at are waaaay younger than that!!!! I guess I am a dirty old man afterall !!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 02:07:24 AM: Here's my ride in 75. Knew better than to try Syracuse in this old buggy during my rookie season!!!
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 13, 2009, 09:02:20 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 01:58:01 AM
JustMark, You've got it right that was the 1971 National Open at Langhorne, so the drivers you said are correct. Lately I've been scanning a lot of old family photos and some of the older ones from 68 and 69 are on slides while the 70 and 71 pics are prints. I just got that one mixed into my earlier files although it's actually from 71. I also wonder about the Loscher street coach. Also the DIRT style Gremlin street rod that the sign painter named Myers built? Here's another one from 1972 Syracuse....can you name them. Track looks to be getting dusty!

#473: Les Alberti, #19: Eddie Delmolino, #K46: Mike Grbac
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 13, 2009, 09:08:23 AM: The #15 coupe, looks like the one Dick Priest drove at Lancaster, and later sold to George Boss. Didn't know the car ended up on dirt.
Loescher's street coach is still around. After at least 4 owners, and being crashed into a tree, the last I knew Danny Wilmes had it, and changed the body.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 12:30:24 PM: Here's another from Syracuse 1972. I shot this long one of Buzzie coming down the home stretch. I think Merv Treichler is chasing him.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 12:31:03 PM: No i looked again and it's Kerry Schroeder chasing him!
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Post by: Frasson118 on December 13, 2009, 03:50:02 PM: Isn't the K-46 owned by Earl Schloder, but Kerry was still too young to be the driver? I think Earl had hired racers in the car until Kerry was old enough.

The first I can recall of Kerry, he was in a Gremlin bodies car... I think this is the Valiant.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 07:47:26 PM: Frasson, I think you're right about it not being Kerry at this early date. I also seem to remember that Sammy Beavers was a fairly regular driver of the Schroeder car at one time. But I did really love those Valiant bodied Modifieds. Bryan Osgood and Dutch Hoag both had them and here's a pic of one of the most famous, Geoff Bodine on the Outside pole on the grid for the 1970 Langhorne event. It looks like his guys are guarding the car the way they are posted on each corner. Photo by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2009, 07:54:39 PM: And here's one of me in front of Hoag's #7 Valiant in 1970 in the pits after the race concluded. I think Dutch had somone else driving it that year. What a rush for a kid to get to go down after the race and meet his hero's. I think that's one thing that's missing in todays racing.....Everyones in such a hurry that they load up and rush home. I'm not sure most of todys fans realize they used to be able to go into the pits at the checkered flag. At some tracks I could be down at their trailer before the car even made it back from the track!!! Photo by Norm Welty.
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 13, 2009, 10:44:38 PM: Lee Osborne drove the #7 Valiant for Dutch.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on December 14, 2009, 12:33:53 PM: Dale,
You may remember that Dutch's Valiant was actually on it's roof in the ditch inside turn 1 early in the 1970 race. Doesn't look too much the worse for wear in the pic though. That car later got sold to Andy Romano, who also won with it. Dutch had Mitch Smith in his coupe at Langhorne in 1970 too.
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Post by: lynchmobb on December 14, 2009, 12:54:59 PM: For the #88 Loescher sedan, I think Lee Osborne drove it one year at Langhorne (1969?). He may have had a guaranteed spot from Williams Grove or Selinsgrove.
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Post by: uticamike on December 14, 2009, 06:57:30 PM: I remember Andy's Valiant at U/R way back when. Never knew it was a Hoag machine. The things you learn. Falcon you got a pic?
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Post by: justmark on December 14, 2009, 09:57:00 PM: Lee Osborne had the 1970 and 1971 Selinsgrove, PA spots for Langhorne.
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Post by: no74falcon on December 15, 2009, 11:59:29 AM: I do have photo Utica... I'll e-mail it to you when I get home.
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Post by: lynchmobb on December 15, 2009, 12:07:15 PM: Jim Hurtubise - Langhorne 1970
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Post by: lynchmobb on December 15, 2009, 12:08:05 PM: Lee Osborne
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Post by: lynchmobb on December 15, 2009, 12:08:37 PM: Mitch Smith
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Post by: lynchmobb on December 15, 2009, 12:09:09 PM: Mike Loescher
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Post by: paperboy on December 16, 2009, 07:33:29 PM: Lynchmobb:

Any chance you could post a full size picture of your avatar No. 81? That's a nice shot ! Is that the one with the shortened front door/window which Jackie Evans drove a few times?
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Post by: lynchmobb on December 16, 2009, 10:17:07 PM: paperboy - send me your email please. That is the 'shortened' dirt car that Lee built & drove a couple of years. After Lee moved out of the area, Mr. Kennedy ran the car for a while & Jackie Evans did drive it a few times. Bill Rafter also drove it once at Orange Co. - I have not had a chance to scan those slides yet.

lynchmob@rochester.rr.com
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Post by: George M. on December 17, 2009, 09:06:42 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 05, 2009, 12:30:56 PM
Does anyone know this Guy?!!! In the Sandman #12 Coupe. Probably around 67 or 68. I know who it is but do you. Never knew he drove for them! J&H photo.

Merv drove that car at Langhorne in 1967! It burst into flames on the first lap! It's in the video! Langhorne 1967 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gwCYlLqkI#normal)
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Post by: George M. on December 17, 2009, 09:39:09 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 15, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
Carl "Bugs" Stevens and Ray Hendrick at speed on the front straight at Trenton. (Charlie Moore photo)

Are you sure that's Ray Hendrick? If that's Trenton, 1967, and I think it is,
then that's Donnie Allison in "The Flyin' 11".

Trenton 1967...Trenton 1967 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAHeLtLaXOQ#normal)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2009, 10:03:37 PM: 1992 DIRT program...(no photographer info available)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2009, 10:05:27 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2009, 10:08:06 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: kt on December 18, 2009, 07:44:15 AM: Thanks for the videos George.................way cool........................kt
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 19, 2009, 05:25:08 PM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine...(Don Taylor photos)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 21, 2009, 11:21:22 AM: Here's one I took at the last Langhorne Open. Geoff Bodine was leading but ends up in the wall and out of the race directly in front of where I was sitting! I'm not sure if his rear suspension broke and put him into the wall or if he spun and the resulting contact broke the rear, but it definately had rear suspension damage when towed away. My Dad thought it broke first. photo by Dale Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 21, 2009, 11:25:24 AM: Also Chuck Boos goes by in the always rough looking #9. I had a dream one time that I was driving Chuck Boos' car in a big race. As my brother often says all race drivers must have been dropped on their heads as babies or we wouldn't be doing this. That goes double for car owners!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 21, 2009, 11:29:48 AM: At the 1975 Syracuse Super DIRT. We were parked next to Kenny Weld with his Weikert Livestock #29. Notice the tail of our baby blue, "Family Car II" gremlin. Our car only two light-years behind the technology in that Weld machine but Darrell did qualify for the big show in a stellar field of cars. I believe something like 140 cars took time! Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Frasson118 on December 21, 2009, 02:13:16 PM: Dale... by any chance do you have any shots of Darrell driving our car (Binner-Peters 66), but with Darrells 2x on the side. I think it was only for the Syracuse race that ran in the spring.

If I remember this right, the 2x got in the field, while our 66 did not. So, after the winter, we took our car, but with Darrells number. I think we finished 7th that day (???)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 22, 2009, 11:22:48 PM: Frasson, That's exactly how I remember the situation but I haven't came across a pic of your car with the 2X on the side. If I remember right , Tom actually riveted a piece of sheet metal over the #66. Here is a photo from the held over spring race. Tom, Darrell and some of the family / crew.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 24, 2009, 08:14:37 AM: Here's a pic I snapped at the 72 Syracuse race. I believe it shows Jerry Cook in the #38, Kenny Brightbill in his #57 Weikert Coach and Lou "the Monk" Lazzaro in his famous #4. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on December 24, 2009, 12:18:47 PM: Quote from: Frasson118 on December 21, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
Dale... by any chance do you have any shots of Darrell driving our car (Binner-Peters 66), but with Darrells 2x on the side. I think it was only for the Syracuse race that ran in the spring.

If I remember this right, the 2x got in the field, while our 66 did not. So, after the winter, we took our car, but with Darrells number. I think we finished 7th that day ( ??? )

That was the year it rained out and then snowed out finally and was run in the spring. Yes, Tom riveted a 2x over the 66. That was the year of the big wreck that saw Wayne Reutimann's cage torn off on the backstretch. I was just in front of that wreck.
Later I bounced it off the wall in turns 3 & 4 and broke the right front caliper and rotor but during the yellow Tom turned off the right front brake and we soldiered on to a 12th place finish (not 7th, damn!).
After the race Tom asked me what I was looking at every time we came down the front stretch because he saw me looking at the pits. What I was doing was looking very carefully for anyones front end because if someone was coming on the inside I would have to let off way early or crash because the brakes were practically non-existent at that point.
However, a 12th place finish in spring of '78 was $900, pretty good money back then.
When I have time tomorrow, I'll scan and put a picture up for you Jerry
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on December 25, 2009, 05:28:10 PM: Sorry, that was spring of '79, not 78.

Jerry, here is one from Syracuse with the 2x on it, sorry it has to have my ugly puss on it. The second is from later in the year, I'm confused by it because I know I didn't win a feature with that car but somewhere along the way I got this trophy for some reason.
Darrell
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Post by: George M. on December 26, 2009, 01:24:30 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 21, 2009, 11:21:22 AM
Here's one I took at the last Langhorne Open. Geoff Bodine was leading but ends up in the wall and out of the race directly in front of where I was sitting! I'm not sure if his rear suspension broke and put him into the wall or if he spun and the resulting contact broke the rear, but it definately had rear suspension damage when towed away. My Dad thought it broke first. photo by Dale Welty.

Actually, it was contact with recently deceased Bryan Osgood.

(https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi695.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv312%2Fnynay9a%2F09Osgood.jpg&hash=6555faa5b456c156b5bf43e41bdf878ed1947497)
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Post by: George M. on December 26, 2009, 02:32:57 PM: 1968 Nazareth Program

(https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi695.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv312%2Fnynay9a%2F1968Nazareth.jpg&hash=8fe09bff58c996bc6bfaf48a4914e617333126ea)
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Post by: no74falcon on December 26, 2009, 02:37:19 PM: As far as the contact with the #09, wasn't Geoff trying some kind of independent rear suspension at this time too?

Great photo of Bryan too George, with Geoff pitted next to him. Thanks
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Post by: George M. on December 26, 2009, 02:56:06 PM: I don't know about the rear suspension, but, you're probably right. The car was very radical and way ahead of its' time!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2009, 08:40:27 PM: Darrell, The pic where you have the trophy looks to be Rolling Wheels. I remember they used to have trophy night once each year and you'd get a trophy for winning even a heat race. I have one that I won on REED Cams night as I was able to sneek past Rick Borrick on the last turn to pick up the heat win. It looks just like the trophy you're holding in the pick and it says "feature Winner" on it. Here's a clipping showing Borrick's car although the roof got cut off. Gater photo by Don Romeo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2009, 09:27:19 PM: Here's another Bryan Osgood shot. He's standing with Vern Bodine by the BUG with which he Terrorized the central Pa circuit in 1963. I believe this photo was taken by someone in his family. I took it from an old Gater with no credit given. Sorry it's so blurry, having trouble with my scanner. What we have here is a failure to communicate....with my PC.
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Post by: 112SMW on December 27, 2009, 02:13:06 AM: That is Bryan's brother Vern Osgood.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2009, 11:59:56 AM: Thanks for the correction!
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 28, 2009, 09:57:26 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 28, 2009, 10:01:04 AM: DIRT Trackin' Magazine (Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: canadianfan on December 28, 2009, 11:12:25 PM: that Ivan Little-Charlie Rudolph shot at Ransomville makes you realize how elevated that front straight is. If you sit low on the front straight grandstands, you're almost looking up.
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Post by: justmark on December 29, 2009, 12:22:41 AM: I think that's Harvey Hainer Jr. #2H behind Charlie and Ivan at Ransomville too.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 29, 2009, 11:53:18 AM: I found this today...kind of neat. I went to the last race at Waterloo when they had a street stock race during the fair...damn the neighbors! Whats a little noise! http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/webpages/view/Maple_Grove_Speedway/ (http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/webpages/view/Maple_Grove_Speedway/)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 29, 2009, 12:24:55 PM: then I found this....
http://midstateantiquestockcarclub.com/waterloo1.html (http://midstateantiquestockcarclub.com/waterloo1.html)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 29, 2009, 12:40:22 PM: and this...
http://www.retrorockets.org/feature_june/feature_june.htm (http://www.retrorockets.org/feature_june/feature_june.htm)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2009, 11:22:40 PM: This is a pic I took of my Cousin Jim Kings Modified in 1968 on his ramp truck. It was initially built to run on pavement and Jim drove it at Fulton a few times. He put my Dad, Norm Welty, in it for one of the open races at Waterloo (Maple Grove) but the car was sprung way too stiff or had too little shock as it bounced around almost uncontrolable and didn't qualify. I think it was very heavy by the look of the car and already a bit outdated when newly built.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2009, 11:25:18 PM: Here's Irish Jack Murphy around 1968. Photo by Grady from Gater racing News.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2009, 11:27:26 PM: Here's one of Nolan Swift after winning the NYS Fair Championship race in 1968. Swifty and the crew are ready to party fifties style! Photo by Gater Racing News.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2009, 11:29:03 PM: Sorry, here's the pic described above.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 30, 2009, 09:37:06 AM: Nascar News from Monroe County Fairgrounds...Nolan Swift on cover
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 30, 2009, 05:32:58 PM: found this stuff today...a treasure trove of local racing history...
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/allegany/Racing%20History-AllegCo/Auto%20Racing/AutoRacingHome.htm (http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/allegany/Racing%20History-AllegCo/Auto%20Racing/AutoRacingHome.htm)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 31, 2009, 08:39:10 AM: Just realized that I accidentally said 1968 on the photo of Nolan Swift winning the Fair race. It's actually 1958! Sorry for the misinformation.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 31, 2009, 08:45:35 AM: Here's one for our friends on the Niagra frontier( I may be on the Viagra Frontier). The year is circa 1972. Do you know the driver of these beautiful fan favorite "Bugs Bunny' cars? J&H Photo.
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Post by: modcrew18 on December 31, 2009, 08:50:25 AM: Geno Begelo
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 31, 2009, 10:10:58 AM: cover of DIRT magazine (DIRT photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 31, 2009, 10:12:25 AM: inside photos from same mag. (DIRT photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 31, 2009, 10:28:44 AM: Nascar News from Monroe County Fairgrounds...Fran Jischke on cover (no photographer info available)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 01, 2010, 10:44:34 AM: Here's a photo of Greame Bolia at Shangrila circa 1967. This car was later redesigned and reconstructed and eventually became my families first real Modified. Dad, Norm Welty, raced coupes in the late fifities and early sixties at places like Addison Hill, Towanda, Southport, Chemung and Dundee but those were all Flat-Head Ford powered cars. The #331 was the first Big Block Chevy car we ever had. It came with a 396 somewhat over-bored. Dad drove it the first time attempting to qualify for a Five Mile Point Southern Tier 100 although he had been retired from driving for a few years. After that my brother Darrell took over. Although we had to replace the front axle a number of times, (completely depleting the model "A" axles within eight counties of our home), Darrells talent behind the wheel was quite evident as he raced an outdated, under-powered car to a number of good finishes including a third place at Five Mile Point in which he led much of the feature and was passed and repassed Dave Kneisel in his Indian Head coupe. Bolia pic by Smith Photo.
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on January 01, 2010, 11:56:20 AM: Darrell Welty in a later Dirt Modified.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 01, 2010, 02:06:20 PM: hey Welty Bros. FYI... There are Darrell Welty photos for sale on EBay
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 02:37:40 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on January 01, 2010, 02:06:20 PM
hey Welty Bros. FYI... There are Darrell Welty photos for sale on EBay

You know what PT Barnum said? There's a sucker born every minute.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 02:48:16 PM: This is from 1993 so I guess it qualifies as an oldie. Dale wins at Dundee in the Super stocks
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:12:35 PM: This will take a few posts and is from 1981 through 83. Those of us who have been around for a while really miss the "way it was". The cars were distinctive, they did not all look alike like they do now.
Dale skinned his Bob Mahlzan built modified with a falcon body, I thought it was a very cool looking modified.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:13:19 PM: It then morphed into the Mini-Market Mustang:
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:14:01 PM: Then had a little problem:
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:15:02 PM: And was resurrected as the "Mini-Market Modified":
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:23:21 PM: And finally reached the end of it's useful life:
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:23:46 PM: Another view:
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:36:50 PM: This is for Jerry Binner, found a couple of more pictures of the Binner-Peters special with the 2x on it at Syracuse:
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2010, 03:37:31 PM: 2nd photo
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Post by: kenny5861 on January 01, 2010, 06:45:40 PM: I just wanted to say to the Welty's, that i really appreciate all of the photos that you have posted, along with the history and background storys that go with them. I remember watching Norm Welty at Chemung back in the late 50's-early 60's I think it was, when my dad would take me to the races as youngster. Later, when I was old enough to drive, I followed the pavement mostly, but would still take in some dirt action in Central NY and 5 mile point and I remember seeing you guys in action.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2010, 12:08:32 AM: Kenny, Here's a couple of Dad. First in the BUG in 1963 at Chemung and the next one is in 1960 in one of the flat-head coupes. Note the fire protection in the coupe!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2010, 12:10:38 AM: Labor Day heat race victory at Chemung. Both photo's by L.O. Duncan.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2010, 12:13:49 AM: I know I've posted it before but here's the progression of the Jim Carrol owned Bolia coupe posted previously.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2010, 12:15:50 AM: Darrell catches some big time air but comes down safely and goes to the lead! And they call Steve the Hurricane!!! J&H photo from the anadaguia program.
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Post by: Frasson118 on January 02, 2010, 03:15:17 AM: Darrell... thanks for the pics. I'll show them to my Dad on Monday. He'll get a kick out of it, and I know we don't have any pics of our own with the 2x look.

Sure wish you and Dale would consider coming to the Modified Reunion!
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Post by: bakes on January 02, 2010, 03:45:09 PM: Dale, must have been one heckuva HEAT race - or was he going for a suntan in there? Wow!

Thanks for posting the pics! Here's a REAL obscure question - Didn't the Carrol/Bolia 331 get built in a couple of weeks after Graeme destroyed the previous 331 at Weedsport? Don't ask me why I remember reading this from an old Shangri-La Racing news, but... I do.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 03, 2010, 11:15:35 AM: Quote from: bakes on January 02, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
Dale, must have been one heckuva HEAT race - or was he going for a suntan in there? Wow!

Thanks for posting the pics! Here's a REAL obscure question - Didn't the Carrol/Bolia 331 get built in a couple of weeks after Graeme destroyed the previous 331 at Weedsport? Don't ask me why I remember reading this from an old Shangri-La Racing news, but... I do.

Maybe Dale knows but I am not aware of this story, but I almost destroyed it at Weedsport. Can't remember if it was the first year or second that I ran it but I ended up with the right front tire stuck into the flagger opening and shortened the right front frame rail by about 2 feet.
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Post by: crwchfj10 on January 03, 2010, 11:22:32 AM: Test - What year, where, and driver?? - Should not be that hard for a few.

I see I gave away a couple of the answers after I posted it.
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 11:50:54 AM: Mike, How are you doing, still in Florida. I wont tell the answer but this car was one of the Kniesel hi rail cars and later became a regular on the dirt circuit.
Joe
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 12:03:14 PM: Weedsport 1979
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 06:38:13 PM: Some late models, Photo not marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 06:42:04 PM: more late models, Photo not marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 06:46:24 PM: and 1 more, Photo not marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 06:48:52 PM: Weedsport opening day 79 part 1, Photo not marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 06:49:34 PM: part 2, Photo not marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 03, 2010, 06:52:12 PM: error
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Post by: justmark on January 03, 2010, 07:15:52 PM: Jerry Knox also ran his asphalt Street Stock #55x at places like Fulton and Shangri-La.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 03, 2010, 09:50:46 PM: Very nice pictures, Joe. I really like the "elbows up" Wally Locke LM pic from '76.

I believe the unmarked #17 late model is Tony Vickio from Watkins Glen. I remember him driving the Dale Marion #21 modified at Shangri-la once in '79. He flipped it out of the ball park.
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Post by: no74falcon on January 03, 2010, 10:07:04 PM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on January 03, 2010, 09:50:46 PM

I believe the unmarked #17 late model is Tony Vickio from Watkins Glen. I remember him driving the Dale Marion #21 modified at Shangri-la once in '79. He flipped it out of the ball park.

Holy Cow Jay! I remember that like it was yesterday but I can't remember yesterday!

I just want to say thanks to everyone for posting all the photos.
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Post by: Frasson118 on January 04, 2010, 12:28:37 PM: Keep in mind, there was Tony Vickio (pictured here) and Tony Vecchio, who was an asphalt guy. Two different people.

It was probably Vecchio who flipped Marions car.
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Post by: Frasson118 on January 04, 2010, 12:30:32 PM: And the 66 Coupe, is Mark Livingston.

The 55x is Jerry Knox, who later moved up to the Mods, then quickly disappeared.
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Post by: no74falcon on January 04, 2010, 01:02:47 PM: Quote from: Frasson118 on January 04, 2010, 12:28:37 PM
Keep in mind, there was Tony Vickio (pictured here) and Tony Vecchio, who was an asphalt guy. Two different people.

It was probably Vecchio who flipped Marions car.

Not to correct you Frasson as you are one of the posters here on RACENY that I think a lot of but...

Nope, it was Tony Vickio. I have a Shangri-La program with him in the Marion car. As I remember, he had a really tough time adapting to the pavement, but a goood driver nonetheless.

Tony Vecchio on the other hand, donated a fuel cell to me for my restoration and I talk to his brother, Sal, often through work.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 04, 2010, 03:52:55 PM: Tony Vickio did not have any easy time of it at Shangri-la in 1979. Hard to believe it’s been over 30 years now that these program pictures were taken. (All the photos taken by Michael Marrer)
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 04, 2010, 03:55:34 PM: And here’s one of Jerry Knox taken after a strictly stock feature win at Shangri-la in 1975 (No photo ID – possibly Fred Smith or P.J. West)
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Post by: 112SMW on January 04, 2010, 04:02:56 PM: Tony Vickio took over the driving chores of the 21 after Chuck Ciprich left the ride.The #21 was a sister to the #41 owned by Cal Smales and driven by George Kent...and we all know what they did with that car !!!Both cars were built side by side by Maynard Troyer.Tony was doing all right with the asphalt until he went out of the park .Little money was the end of that car sorry to say.That was in 1979.
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Post by: no74falcon on January 04, 2010, 04:10:24 PM: Thanks for the pictures Jay. I have the program w/ the spin photo in it that a past girlfriend found for me at an antique show. She thought she had done something wrong as it brought tears to my eyes when she brought it home for me. It's the one where Dave Kotary took the bounty on George Kent when George was driving the Cal Smales #41. I remember that night like it was yesterday believe it or not. All of us kids were always playing behind the grandstands and stuff but a couple of us ran up to watch when we relized Kotary might beat George. Thought the place was going to come down when he did. That program also has a few pictures of Dad in it with the brown Pontiac too. I believe that race was on July 7th, and I turned 10 on the 12th. Thanks again.
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Post by: Frasson118 on January 04, 2010, 04:17:52 PM: Well, I'll be damned. I never knew that Tony VICKIO ran either mods, OR Asphalt. The caption for the photo explains it, and leaves no doubt.

By the way, anyone have pictures of Vickio's car while it was still painted Orange? I thought that was a cool car, and with the 180 degree headers, it sounded just as cool. One of my all-time favorite cars!
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Post by: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:17:06 PM: MY father at FMP early 70's, No photo credit marked (Prob Fred Smith).
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Post by: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:22:25 PM: Alan Johnson, Syracuse, am guessing early 80's, No photo credit marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:24:19 PM: Mark Livingston, Syracuse, No photo credit marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:27:52 PM: Carl Vanhorn, Syracuse, No photo credit marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:31:10 PM: Not sure who? Syracuse 1978, No photo credit marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:34:45 PM: Not sure who? Syracuse 1978, No photo credit marked.
I am guessing Chip Slocum
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Post by: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:36:55 PM: Gary Gullup ? Syracuse , No photo credit marked
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 04, 2010, 10:57:36 PM: An early photo of the Jimmy Shampine. I think it said 1967. It's a Smith Photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 04, 2010, 11:03:27 PM: Hey Joe, I remember that #56 Weld car when it was at Syracuse but I can't quite come up with a name! Here's one I snapped of Buzzie falling out of the 74 Fair race with what looks like a king-pin issue. photo by me.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 05, 2010, 06:49:35 AM: Quote from: JC124 on January 04, 2010, 07:31:10 PM
Not sure who? Syracuse 1978, No photo credit marked
Quote from: Claychamp123 on January 04, 2010, 11:03:27 PM
Hey Joe, I remember that #56 Weld car when it was at Syracuse but I can't quite come up with a name!

The #56 is Gary Hieber of Langhorne PA. After modifieds, Hieber went on to race USAC Silver Crown cars for a number of years.
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Post by: luvsracin on January 05, 2010, 02:38:04 PM: Memories came rushing to me with that picture of the Pine. What a great all around driver he was, one of the best builders he was and a great driver for the fans to get an autograph from. I saw him race many different cars starting at Oswego in 1962 with his first super. Everyone lost when he left us in 1982 at Oswego, as a fan it still hurts today.
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Post by: cdnmodman on January 05, 2010, 04:56:33 PM: Dont know if this ones been posted before or not but
some great old pics from Upstate NY and Southern Ontario
tracks:

http://www.speedwaynostalgia.com/ (http://www.speedwaynostalgia.com/)

Rick
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Post by: JC124 on January 05, 2010, 05:00:25 PM: Shampine/Oswego/ no Photo credit marked
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Post by: ridecar on January 05, 2010, 07:26:50 PM: (http://) Tony Vickio at Dundee Speedway 1978. I think this was the orange car but can not be sure. Black & white photo by Jerry Crans.
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Post by: ridecar on January 05, 2010, 07:34:40 PM: (http://) Does anybody remember this car? Can you name the two guys to the left of the car (black jacket and red jacket)?
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Post by: 112SMW on January 05, 2010, 08:47:16 PM: Is it a father amd son team?Last name of Thomas comes to mind.
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Post by: JC124 on January 06, 2010, 07:53:19 PM: Bob Pickell at Syracuse, no Photo credit marked
When I was much younger I went to my first Eastern States, back then many drivers had fan clubs with tables set up behind the grandstands. I joined the Bob pickell fan club for $ 4 dollars and got a 3 by 5 picture, a packet of contingency stickers ( must of been 100 of them and a 3 newsletters the next year. today I pay $ 125. for my IMCA licence and get that same packet of stickers and 12 newsletters.
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Post by: JC124 on January 06, 2010, 07:55:15 PM: Bob Botcher, Middletown, no Photo credit marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 06, 2010, 08:02:06 PM: Chuck Kenison, Weedsport, no Photo credit marked.
I still remember all the fun times we had camping at weedsport back in the day with the Kenison's, Welty's and Ramono's among others.
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Post by: JC124 on January 06, 2010, 08:03:38 PM: George Ely, Weedsport, no Photo credit marked
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Post by: JC124 on January 06, 2010, 08:05:06 PM: Dave Kelly, Middletown, Dave Lukowski photo
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Post by: JC124 on January 06, 2010, 08:07:24 PM: Merv Triechler, Weedsport, Dave Lukowski photo
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Post by: JC124 on January 06, 2010, 08:09:31 PM: Harry Sitler, Weedsport, no Photo credit marked
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on January 07, 2010, 12:08:48 PM: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174989&highlight=60s+modifieds (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174989&highlight=60s+modifieds)

I'm not sure if the above will work as a link, but the address is OK. Some great old Modified pics & discussion. Lots of new postings every day too!
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 07, 2010, 06:22:52 PM: Here’s an ad from the old Ithaca-Dryden Speedway that ran in the Binghamton Press in the fall of 1965.
Anyone care to put driver names next to the car numbers? If some of these cars are indeed who I think they are, the track had a pretty stout field on this night in ‘65
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Post by: Rocket88 on January 07, 2010, 10:43:42 PM: Just guessing:
111- Sammy Reakes
87-Johnny Goth or Jerry Hayes
711 Dave Kneisel
A5- Willie Allen
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Post by: justmark on January 07, 2010, 11:45:49 PM: Another guess: #35 - DeForest Chalker
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 08, 2010, 12:28:40 PM: Shamrock - there are some great photos in that link you posted. I must be getting old, because I remember a lot of those cars 'in person'!
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on January 08, 2010, 12:31:29 PM: no older than me, Terry....I remember most of 'em too!
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Post by: studebakerstuff on January 09, 2010, 08:45:59 AM: Hi Jay,
Some more guesses on the cars at Ithaca Dryden.
14 Red Harrington
27 Roger Beagell
29 Don Beagell Jr
318 Gordie Isham
324 Lester Green

Say hi to your mom and dad for me.
Sincerely,
Pat Hanley
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Post by: whippy on January 09, 2010, 11:15:01 AM: looking for pic of RACEWORLD car show this was my dads show MR. Fred Smith was one of the nanes i got any help would be great thank you Whippy
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Post by: justmark on January 09, 2010, 12:52:47 PM: Whippy, Try Jeff Ackerman - contact@midstateantiquestockcarclub.com
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 10, 2010, 07:37:05 AM: Quote from: studebakerstuff on January 09, 2010, 08:45:59 AM
Hi Jay,
Some more guesses on the cars at Ithaca Dryden.
14 Red Harrington
27 Roger Beagell
29 Don Beagell Jr
318 Gordie Isham
324 Lester Green

Say hi to your mom and dad for me.
Sincerely,
Pat Hanley

Hi Pat, Will do.

Here's a couple of my guesses :

101 Bob Burton
144 Larry Groover

60 "The Flying Milkman" Kenny Moore?
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Post by: whippy on January 10, 2010, 09:31:29 AM: no luck on that site thank you whippy
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 11, 2010, 09:01:12 PM: I was hoping I could talk anyone who had posted pictures on the old "oldies but goodies" (from 2007?) into re-posting them here...it seems that when the switch was made to the new site that a lot of stuff was lost FOREVER or at least until someone reposts it. I seem to remember a picture of geoff bodines first car, stuff from the early days of woodhull, tons of stuff from Dale from waterloo, VanPelt Bros. stuff, etc, etc. etc. Can you do a brother a favor....Thanks Bob
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Post by: no74falcon on January 11, 2010, 09:12:45 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on January 11, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
I was hoping I could talk anyone who had posted pictures on the old "oldies but goodies" (from 2007?) into re-posting them here...it seems that when the switch was made to the new site that a lot of stuff was lost FOREVER or at least until someone reposts it. I seem to remember a picture of geoff bodines first car, stuff from the early days of woodhull, tons of stuff from Dale from waterloo, VanPelt Bros. stuff, etc, etc. etc. Can you do a brother a favor....Thanks Bob

Bob, I would love to post but due to some ongoing problems, I have stoped posting personal photos. I have photos from programs I can post when I get them scanned.
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 11, 2010, 10:55:15 PM: Syracuse 1974 - John Birosh
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 11, 2010, 10:55:51 PM: Ed Pieniazek
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Post by: Greg Birosh on January 12, 2010, 11:11:38 AM: Quote from: lynchmobb on January 11, 2010, 10:55:15 PM
Syracuse 1974 - John Birosh
Terry, awesome photo of one of Dad's first modifieds! There aren't many pictures of his cars that are older than me, but that's one of them (born in '77). Thanks for posting.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 12, 2010, 11:21:38 PM: Greg, That coupe was my all time favorite that your father drove followed by the Baracuda body. If I'm not mistaken wasn't that the same car with two different body's? I think the flip my brother had where he landed back down on that car was probably it's death nell. Darrell posted that pic on here before but I don't have it. Somehow all that racing seemed more heart felt. I'm still having a good time but a lot of the other guys seem to think they're headed to Daytona or somewhere so they can't enjoy where they are right now.
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Post by: Frasson118 on January 13, 2010, 10:49:43 AM: Speaking of that Barracuda... it was owned by Ken Doucette. Ken lives here in Florida now, and came to the first Reunion... but I have since lost his phone number & address. I would love to invite him again, but don't know how to reach him. Any help???

At that Reunion, he presented us with a couple of photos of our car (with Darrell Welty driving) bouncing off the hood of his car (the 17J with John Birosh driving. I have those photos here, but don't have a scanner to post them. Real nice guy that Ken!

Jerry Binner, 407-790-9724 or jbinner@att.net
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 13, 2010, 10:40:11 PM: Oswego 1975 - Dan Swain
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 13, 2010, 10:40:43 PM: Don Whalen
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 13, 2010, 10:41:16 PM: Graeme Bolia
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 17, 2010, 12:47:47 AM: Here's a pic I took of Bud Ward's car at Waterloo Speedway (Maplegrove). I believe the year is 1976. As you probably know Bud is Pat Wards Dad and usually raced FORDS.
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Post by: takingachance on January 18, 2010, 02:33:02 PM: Heres one for ya....Classic Dave Heitzhaus
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Post by: Zack on January 18, 2010, 04:18:01 PM: Nice picture of Dave :)
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Post by: takingachance on January 18, 2010, 07:54:09 PM: I found the pic in a box of old stuff and snapped a pic of it with my cell. me and my dad used to live with him. i had to be 5 or 6 yrs old at the time. i remember running around the shop causing trouble!
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 19, 2010, 07:04:57 PM: Gary Reichert - Fulton - 1975
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 19, 2010, 09:40:17 PM: Lee Osborne - Winchester IN - 1975
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Post by: leadfoot4 on January 20, 2010, 06:22:58 PM: Quote from: lynchmobb on January 19, 2010, 07:04:57 PM
Gary Reichert - Fulton - 1975

Terry, isn't that the car that used to do "double duty" as a modified, with Vega "tin" on it??
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 20, 2010, 10:11:29 PM: That was the 'true' supermod that the Turners built after the Vega. The car originally had a blower on it instead of the carb. Oswego started to frown on the 'double duty' car so they built the one in the photo.
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 20, 2010, 10:14:01 PM: here's the Vega in '77
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Post by: Rocket88 on January 21, 2010, 12:53:25 AM: Oswego may have frowned on it because the car won as a Mod and finished 4 th as a Super, in 1974,on the same day.
Joe Magari also ran a "double duty" car after the Turners, and ran it until he destroyed it at Oswego.
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Post by: Goggles Pisano on January 22, 2010, 10:49:46 PM: The double duty car got outlawed due to all the crybabies like Bob Stelter. Guys like Shampine never complained.
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Post by: no74falcon on January 23, 2010, 04:45:12 AM: I'm sorry but didn't Bob Stelter pass away? :-\
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Post by: jeffo61j on January 23, 2010, 05:50:51 PM: Does anybody have good pix of the dual car?
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2010, 06:55:01 PM: from the cover of the 86-87 ISMA Yearbook (no photographer info available)
(Gotta Love anything with a big Wing!!)
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2010, 07:02:57 PM: DIRT Trackin' cover...Jimmy with the sprinter and a "Big Car" from the thirties...I thought it was cool in that I have been researhing Tri-Cities Speedway in Big Flats which ran in 1938 and this is very reminiscent of what they were driving back then.
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Post by: modscene on January 23, 2010, 09:32:13 PM: Quote from: no74falcon on January 23, 2010, 04:45:12 AM
I'm sorry but didn't Bob Stelter pass away? :-\

Sadly, he did

http://www.jakessite.com/07/notforgot/stelter/stelter.html (http://www.jakessite.com/07/notforgot/stelter/stelter.html)
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Post by: no74falcon on January 24, 2010, 09:04:06 AM: Quote from: modscene on January 23, 2010, 09:32:13 PM
Quote from: no74falcon on January 23, 2010, 04:45:12 AM
I'm sorry but didn't Bob Stelter pass away? :-\

Sadly, he did

[url]http://www.jakessite.com/07/notforgot/stelter/stelter.html[/url] ([url]http://www.jakessite.com/07/notforgot/stelter/stelter.html[/url])

I thought so. Out of respect, the name calling isn't necessary, especially from someone with no name.
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Post by: Orange18 on January 25, 2010, 09:34:07 PM: Lynchmobb,I saw that Turner Bros super not to long ago in Dons Barn.Any chance i can get copys of that Fulton pic?
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Post by: Orange18 on January 25, 2010, 09:43:54 PM: Great Pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks Lynchmob.Don Turner Told me That They ran them and Shampine right out of there.Every time they would try somthing new and inovative they would make up a new rule to outlaw it.He said the Regulars would Cry all the Time.He even told me that they found some tire with a great compoundand they were smoking those guys.They outlawed those tires even though it was a open tire rule.Oswego said it wasnt fair beacouse no one else could get them.
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 26, 2010, 12:08:58 PM: Doug - just send me your current email & I will send you the pictures.

lynchmob@rochester.rr.com

Terry
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Post by: Orange18 on January 26, 2010, 09:29:40 PM: Thanks Terry,Message sent.Hey Did you Hang out or help The Turners?My Dad ,Don worked with them on the Corvair and the Vega.Your Pics bring back Great memories.Also,Who is driving the Vega in that earlier pic.Riechert had a orange fullface helmet.Don told me that he had Diffendorf drive the car a few times.My guess is Diff.What do you think?
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 27, 2010, 12:11:53 PM: orange18 - my Dad (and by default my brother & I) used to hang out at Osborne's & Turner's shops back in the day. Jimmy Winks was in the Vega in that photo. I don't remember Diffendorf, but others included Carl Bates, Norm Robinson, Bobby Merz. If I remember correctly, the Vega 'evolved' from the Corvair (Mike Miller days).
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on January 27, 2010, 02:08:16 PM: Terry,
I used to visit both those shops too, probably between 1965 and 1969. Turner's was a little farther, since I lived in Walker. But I spent a fair amount of time at Ozzie's by the canal on Gallup Rd....Watersedge, NY, he called it. I think you're right about the Corvair evolving into the Vega. Pretty sure it was the same basic chassis. Those guys (Turners) got more longevity out of their cars than anyone else in those days.
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Post by: Orange18 on January 27, 2010, 10:27:21 PM: The corvair/Vega was the same chassis from begining to end.It had many suspension changes front and back.It was also called the air bagger.They had air bags from a dump truck inside the front coil springs.Ed Flemke also drove the car once at Fulton
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Post by: 112SMW on January 28, 2010, 05:26:23 AM: Flemke also drove it at Shangri La.
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on January 31, 2010, 09:19:56 AM: ooppss
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on January 31, 2010, 09:25:32 AM: Does anybody have good pix of the dual car?

Lets try this again,
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on January 31, 2010, 09:27:09 AM: Here is the Modified.
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Post by: Orange18 on January 31, 2010, 07:33:27 PM: Rip,Hows the Bodine Valiant comming along? Any Pics?
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on February 01, 2010, 05:08:57 PM: We have heat in the barn now. Finally, gonna get back at it know. Nothing new to show or report sence early fall. Ran out of money. If ya know what I mean! Rip
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Post by: Orange18 on February 02, 2010, 11:04:07 PM: Rip,I'm there,No heat and laid off from work.Did you see that Valiant me and Ed found?I wish i had the time and $ for that one.That car was in extremely good shape.Hey where could i get that pic of the Turners car with the Body off?,I would love to give that to Don. Good luck with the car. Doug
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Post by: #99 Vintage Racer on February 03, 2010, 10:09:02 PM: You guys should keep that car, and do it someday! When ever, I find like that is hard to come buy, as you already know. Here is the latest of the valiant. It is making a nice bench right now. Doug you have mail from me. Rip
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 04, 2010, 10:21:26 PM: Al Golly's Show car offset driver car....pretty much the same as Chuck Ciprich had driven earlier. photo by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 04, 2010, 10:24:21 PM: here's the Ciprich car of similar design from Show Car Engineering but probably a good five years previous. I believe this is a Russ Mills shot.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 04, 2010, 10:25:41 PM: By the way Frank Smalley o f Smalleys transmissions in Montour Falls still has an exact copy of this cars chassis.
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 07, 2010, 02:52:11 PM: Cover of Reading Program (photographer unkown)
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 07, 2010, 02:57:38 PM: with Daytona coming up, this seemed appropriate...From Illustrated Speedway News 8-26-1969(photographer unkown)
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Post by: lynchmobb on February 08, 2010, 12:06:50 PM: Blackjack - looks like Charlie Glotzbach, Cale Yarborough & Bobby Allison. Look at the 'plain' firesuits with no sponsors!
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 08, 2010, 08:11:14 PM: I knew Bobby (one of my boyhood heros)...wasn't sure about the others
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Post by: Frasson118 on February 10, 2010, 04:32:11 PM: A little history, as I knoe=w it about the 5 car behind Al Golleys Coupe.

This was originally the White 14J Corvair that Tom Ewing owned, and Alan Johnson started his career in.

After Alan left, it was painted Red and dropped the "J" from the number, and was driven by Ed Ortiz, Wally Burnett, and possibly others.

When we partnered with the Ewings, and had a new car built, the Corvair was sold to Bruce Lord who drove it in this shot.
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 20, 2010, 07:31:10 PM: Racing program from 1948 AAA Big Car race at Erie County Fair Hamburg NY
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 22, 2010, 07:51:31 AM: from Illustrated Speedway News- 6/18/1968...Sprints on the Asphalt (no info available)
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Post by: no74falcon on February 22, 2010, 07:55:00 AM: Pretty high banking... Winchester or Salem maybe?
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 22, 2010, 08:06:21 AM: another picture of a Sprint...this one on dirt...I have no idea who, when, where or how I came across it, but a vey cool pic....
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 22, 2010, 05:08:18 PM: Rob, I think that's actually a "Big" car otherwise known as a Champ-Car since it has an Offenhouser engine and most of the sprints by that time were Chevies. Another factoid about the 5b of bruce Lord is I believe the original builder was Dave Nichols of asphalt fame and it may have originally been intended to be a "Tar-Car" as Tom Ewing entered a very similar one at Pocono on the 3/4 mile and I believe it went out over the wall!!! I was there but I may have my facts mixed up!
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Post by: kenny5861 on February 23, 2010, 12:01:48 AM: Quote from: no74falcon on February 22, 2010, 07:55:00 AM
Pretty high banking... Winchester or Salem maybe?

Another possibility would be the Dayton Speeday, a high banked 1/2 mile that closed in the 80's and is now a land fill.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on February 23, 2010, 09:36:50 AM: Claychamp,
I remember Dave Nichols going over the wall between 3 & 4 on the 3/4 mile at Pocono. The car was practically cut in half by the guard rail when he went over. It was one of his Corvairs & I remember seeing the frame rail under or maybe in front of his seat cut clean through. He was lucky though & did not get hurt at all.
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Post by: Frasson118 on February 23, 2010, 11:24:34 PM: Didn't Nichols also cut a Covair in half at Lancaster?
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 04, 2010, 07:55:30 PM: DIRT Trackin' magazine cover...(photos by Dave Lukowski)
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Post by: modcrew18 on March 05, 2010, 12:03:52 AM: Good one, thanks blackjackracing. that car even predates my days with the team. I have a few magazines with us on the cover but dont have any way to post them. The odd number 8 was for a sponsor that didn't pan out.
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 05, 2010, 08:27:36 PM: 1989 Dirt Trackin' Magazine...( Dave Lukowski photos)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 05, 2010, 09:42:55 PM: Here's one from the Gator of Cagle in the "whip" car vs Buzzie in one of his last coupes. Pic is by Lukowski at Rolling Wheels. DALE
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 05, 2010, 09:47:27 PM: To follow up again about the 5B covair. Here's a photo of Alan Johnson winning his first dirt mod race with the Tom Ewing owned corvair bodied #14. Location is Canadaguia and photo is by Winks and appeared in the Area Auto Racing News. DALE
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 05, 2010, 09:54:35 PM: Here's one I snapped at Langhorne at the 1971 National open as a wee lad. Bodine and Evans come down to take the green flag! Photo by Welty.
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Post by: bywr on March 06, 2010, 03:43:24 PM: This is a picture that i found on my friends wall and was wondering if anyone knows who it is, the only thing i know is that it was at Bath speedway.
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Post by: orange16 on March 08, 2010, 10:09:32 PM: Need a little help here, historians. My buddy took this picture at Utica-Rome's 1970 New Yorker 400 and wants to know who it is. I can't help him - we were running Fulton that year and I don't ever remember seeing this car anywhere else. Any ideas? We think that it may be a southern car because of the Falstaff Beer sponsorship on the trunk. Photo by Tim Brown.
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Post by: Rocket88 on March 08, 2010, 11:52:52 PM: Looks like a Sonney Seamon built car.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on March 09, 2010, 11:04:15 AM: Re: #52....listed as Wayne Johnson, a Southern Mod. on pg. 236 of the H.A.M.B
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Post by: orange16 on March 09, 2010, 09:54:34 PM: Looks like a winner, Shamrock. Thanks. There are some good looking old southern mods on that thread. I can remember the two Hensleys (#'s 22 and 23) and Perk Brown (believe he was in the 0) coming to UR for the 400 in either '68 or '69. I think that Jimmy finished 2nd to the Monks in the first half that year.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 12, 2010, 11:53:19 PM: Here's the race-day insert for the program at the Langhorne national commemerating Geoff Bodines record pole speed.
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Post by: brplm91 on March 13, 2010, 12:07:50 AM: if anyone is interested i have a bunch of dirt trackin magazines from the '90s
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Post by: bywr on March 13, 2010, 08:58:27 AM: This is a picture that i found on my friends wall and was wondering if anyone knows who it is, the only thing i know is that it was at Bath speedway. I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to who this may be, thanks
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Post by: Rocket88 on March 15, 2010, 10:35:32 AM: I'm the one that posted the 52 on HAMB, then I lost the internet for a week. I knew someone on there would know who drove it. Just wanted to help orange16 out.Johnny Wayne Johnson was the answer I got, from Winston-Salem, NC. Thanks shamrock
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 20, 2010, 11:36:25 AM: here's one from 1972. A Russ Mills shot from the Five Mile Point Program or the Gater News. DALE
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2010, 08:57:08 PM: from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...from Selingsgrove...Ray Tilley
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2010, 08:59:52 PM: from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...from Selingsgrove...Dale English. (Lloyd King Photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2010, 09:01:47 PM: from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...from Selingsgrove...Tom Spriggle. (Lloyd King Photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2010, 09:03:45 PM: from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...from Selingsgrove...John Grum. (Lloyd King Photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2010, 09:10:40 PM: from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...from Selingsgrove...Leroy Felty (C). (Lloyd King Photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2010, 09:15:28 PM: From 1989...DIRT Trackin' magazine....
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Post by: Orange18 on March 25, 2010, 07:53:57 PM: I saw Buzzie Reutimann put on a clinic at East Bay Raceway Park (Tampa Fla) last Sat night in a IMCA Mod.He won his heat and came from ninth in three Laps to win his feature.I think they said he is 83.AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 25, 2010, 08:46:07 PM: The next six pictures are from Oswego Speedway and come from a "Cavalcade Of Auto Racing" pictorial from around 1965....
Ronnie Wallace #23
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 25, 2010, 08:46:49 PM: Bud Johnson #27
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 25, 2010, 08:47:37 PM: Dick Jerrett Jr. #67
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 25, 2010, 08:48:26 PM: Graeme Bolia #90
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 25, 2010, 08:49:06 PM: Eldon Schrader #17
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 25, 2010, 08:50:26 PM: " Irish" Jack Murphy
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:09:57 PM: more pictures from The "Cavalcade of Auto Racing" circa 1965...
From Fonda: Jim Luke, Bill Wimble, Lou Lazzaro and Steve Danish
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:11:58 PM: Bill Wimble leads the way past covered grandstand that affords a full view of action on the 1/2 mile track.
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:12:46 PM: Ken Shoemaker
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:13:19 PM: Pete Corey
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:27:00 PM: Ernie Gahan with the #15
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:28:29 PM: Paul Marshall in the #37
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:29:52 PM: Ed Ortiz with the # 0
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:32:05 PM: Ken Shoemaker (111) and Pete Corey (111A) ready for the Fonda feature.
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:38:51 PM: Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowney... A consistent Fonda Dragstrip attraction. ( for the younger crowd who might not remember her, Cha Cha went on to a very successful drag racing career as a top notch top fuel drag racer. The movie "Heart Like A Wheel" is based on her life)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 26, 2010, 07:48:24 PM: From Golden Gate Speedway in Tampa, Florida...Wayne Reutimann #00 and Dave Scarborough battle through the turn
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:40:27 AM: the next nine pictures are from the circa 1965 edition of "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...Drivers from Pine Bowl Speedway in Snyders Corners (by Troy N.Y.)...neat for me as my uncle raced with these guys!
First up Bob Tauscher
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:41:06 AM: Dick Hansen
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:41:56 AM: Lou Carangelo
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:42:52 AM: Ron Van Etten
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:43:27 AM: Al Poole
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:44:07 AM: Ben Stone
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:44:45 AM: Carlton Hughes
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:45:21 AM: Harry Brazee
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 28, 2010, 11:47:04 AM: Hal McCarthy, Ben Stone, Ed Ryan, Harry Shurter and Earl Dufour
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 06:55:27 PM: from the "Cavalcade of Auto Racing" circa 1965...Pictures from the Northern Stock Car Club in Watertown..
First picture is of Dutt Yanni (1958 champ)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 06:56:23 PM: Dick May (1962 champ)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 06:57:15 PM: Dick Zeigler (1957 champ)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 06:57:51 PM: Hank Newcombe
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 06:58:25 PM: Don June
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 06:59:08 PM: George Mahaffy
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 06:59:47 PM: Cary Reddick
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:00:31 PM: Reggie Bass
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:01:17 PM: Neil Tooley
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:02:00 PM: Fred Borrisow
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:04:06 PM: Frank Andre (1963 champ)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:16:07 PM: John McCardell...Waterloo regular
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:17:10 PM: Wee Willie Allen...Waterloo/Weedsport regular
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:21:18 PM: Bobby Green...Accord Speedwy
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:22:09 PM: Chuck Stillwell...Weedsport
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:43:44 PM: the next SLEW of pictures are from Lebanon Valley....
First one is Doug Garrison (1963 Champion)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:44:35 PM: Johnnie Flach (1962 champion)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:45:34 PM: Stretch Van Steenburg (1960 champion)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:46:09 PM: Link Pettit
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:46:45 PM: Rip Riley
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:47:22 PM: John Rohan
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:48:21 PM: Butch Jelly (pre X)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:48:58 PM: Fred Searing
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:49:43 PM: Ernie Bessmer
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:50:27 PM: Jim Hassan
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:50:59 PM: Lou Hacker
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:51:44 PM: Tom Dressel
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:52:23 PM: Jim Markle
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:53:08 PM: Jim Bedell
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:53:52 PM: Bob Fredette
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:54:28 PM: Chuck Irving
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:55:03 PM: Nel Grignon
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:55:52 PM: George Henderson
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:56:25 PM: Fuzzy Fosby
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 07:57:10 PM: Dee Goodermote
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 31, 2010, 08:11:50 PM: 1962 Langhorne national open winner...Frankie Schneider
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:12:38 AM: More photos from the "Cavalcade of Auto Racing" circa 1964...
These next ten photos are from Utica-Rome.
First up...Lou Lazzaro (1963 Champion)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:13:53 AM: Rene Charland
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:16:11 AM: Robbie Kotary
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:16:57 AM: Tom Kotary
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:17:55 AM: Eddie Flemke
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:18:45 AM: Jerry Hummiston
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:19:25 AM: Wild Bill Heavener
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:20:11 AM: Bill Rafter
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:21:15 AM: Ken Meahle
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2010, 10:22:12 AM: Lee Millington
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 09:59:53 AM: From the "Cavalcade of Auto Racing" circa 1964...
These next eight pictures are from Victoria Speedway in Dunnsville, N.Y. (outside Albany)
First up...Ernie Gahan in the #15
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 10:01:08 AM: Ed Flemke (in the other #15)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 10:02:05 AM: Rene Charland
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 10:02:42 AM: Steve Danish
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 10:03:57 AM: Lou Lazaro
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 10:04:43 AM: Jim Luke
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 10:05:21 AM: Bill Wimble
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 03, 2010, 10:06:24 AM: Jeep Herbert
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Post by: Admin on April 04, 2010, 12:15:45 AM: Great thread everyone! To all that love racing and any who it might inspire....thanks for all your contributions to this thread.

And most of all....thanks to everyone (racers, crews, photographers, and fans) who have made this sport the best. All of us give a great amount of thanks and appreciation for the joy you have given to us for all these many years. These photos and memories are a great tribute to New York racing history.

Salute to the 2010 racing season. Enjoy!
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 07:21:27 PM: from the 1966 edition of "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...from Susquehanna. Bud Bricker with Bob Gerhart. (photo by Lloyd King)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 07:22:26 PM: Dick "Toby" Tobias. (photo by Lloyd King)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 08:41:56 PM: From Gloden Gate Speedway in Tampa...Buzzie Reutiman winds up on the roof of Dale Alderman in late model action. (photo by Oscar Norton)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 08:55:23 PM: The next six photos are from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...From Pine Bowl Speedway (near Albany). All photos by W&L track Photos.
Sonny Barkman in the #27
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 08:56:32 PM: Jocko Mutterer
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 08:57:25 PM: Charlie Centenaro
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 08:58:17 PM: Pat Triamanti
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 08:59:09 PM: Don Abear
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 09:00:02 PM: Pete Peterson
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 05, 2010, 09:05:06 PM: Ken Weld at Williamsgrove circa 1965...Lloyd King photo
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:41:24 PM: More great stuff from the "Calvalcade of Auto Racing" circa 1965.
From Lebanon Valley...First picture is of Carl Haeusel (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:42:43 PM: Ed Delmolino (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:43:58 PM: Butch Jelly....In the first X car? (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:44:42 PM: Chuck Irving (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:45:59 PM: Neale Dunstan (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:46:40 PM: Ray Delilse
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:47:22 PM: Howie Westervelt (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:48:16 PM: Sayles Casey (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:48:57 PM: Ken Goodemote
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:49:43 PM: Vern Maynard (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:50:23 PM: Chuck Ely (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 06:51:28 PM: the last one from Lebanon Valley...Tom Correllis (Doug Post photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 07:01:59 PM: From Utica-Rome circa 1965..The next six pictures are credited to Arthur Schafer.
First picture is of Ernie Gahan
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 07:02:40 PM: Ken Platt
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 07:03:22 PM: Dick Fowler
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 07:04:09 PM: Jerry Cook
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 07:04:48 PM: Bob Zeigler
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 13, 2010, 07:05:30 PM: Dave Kotary
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:25:42 PM: This batch of photos go hand in hand with the video Danny O has posted on another thread...These shots are from Victory Speedway (Middletown) circa 1966...All photos from this group are by Sam Rosenberg.
First up....Rags Carter
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:26:24 PM: Jerry Wilson
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:27:14 PM: Bob Malzahn
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:27:57 PM: Walt Shubert
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:28:39 PM: Richie Kolka
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:29:30 PM: Whip Mulligan
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:30:10 PM: Sonny Strupp
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:30:46 PM: Pee Wee Griffin
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:31:36 PM: Bill Deskovich
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:32:15 PM: George Slaight
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:33:48 PM: Ray Cook
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:34:23 PM: Jerry Wilson
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:36:06 PM: Enno VanDam presents oilzum Trophy to Will Cagle after 100 lap win
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:37:41 PM: Pee Wee Griffin noses out Will Cagle in a close finish of main.
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:39:01 PM: Rick Richie (#406) slams the spinning car of Richie Kolka
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 27, 2010, 09:42:08 PM: Bill Wilson
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2010, 05:52:23 PM: More pictures from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...
These next six pictures are from Onteora Speedway in Olive Bridge N.Y. (near Kingston). Photos are by W&L Photos
First picture is Ray Anderson
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2010, 05:53:42 PM: Mert Hulbert and John Anderson
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2010, 05:55:13 PM: John Miller
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2010, 05:56:10 PM: John Van Leuvan
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2010, 05:56:52 PM: Dick Yeomans
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2010, 05:57:38 PM: Gordan Caufman
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:04:13 PM: More pictures from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing".
These next eight pictures are from Mid-State Speedway in Morris N.Y....Photos by Don Phoenix (who amazingly enough is in one of them...)
First picture is Jerry Shultz
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:05:06 PM: Mike Morenus and Claude Waldron
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:06:02 PM: Don Phoenix, Ray Bunzy and Joe Norton
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:07:09 PM: Bob Demming and Harold Betts
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:08:06 PM: Pappy Potter and Ralph Moon
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:09:03 PM: Gene Cole and Jake Williams
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:09:43 PM: Rudy Schloepher
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 04, 2010, 09:10:43 PM: Gordie Smith...1965 Champion Driver
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 05, 2010, 08:57:19 AM: Kris Meyn at Spencer, notice the CROWDED grandstand!!
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Post by: leadfoot4 on May 07, 2010, 07:43:09 AM: Quote from: Rocket88 on May 05, 2010, 08:57:19 AM
Kris Meyn at Spencer, notice the CROWDED grandstand!!

I remember WAY back when I was in high school, and would go to Spencer's... If you weren't there by 7-7:15 PM, you were stuck sitting in the first 2-3 rows of the grandstands, the crowds were so big. You got to watch the races through the legs of the people walking back and forth to the concession stand and rest rooms.....
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 08, 2010, 12:09:18 AM: Those were the days.....
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 08, 2010, 12:38:51 PM: 1993 Penn National program cover... Leroy Bogert photos
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:28:59 AM: more pictures from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...
From Fonda Speedway...Photos by Russell Bergh
First up...Ken Shoemaker- 1965 Fonda Track Champion
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:30:05 AM: Lou Lazzaro-7 feature wins in 1965
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:31:03 AM: Rene Charland- 1965 NASCAR Champion
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:32:03 AM: Bill Wimble- Former NASCAR Champion
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:33:06 AM: Don Wayman- Always a top contender
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:34:02 AM: Pete Corey- "the peoples choice"
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:36:15 AM: Fonty Flock (for you younsters, one of the three Flock brothers who were part of the bedrock that is NASACAR), Lou Lazzaro and Kenny Shoemaker.
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 15, 2010, 07:37:56 AM: Shirley "Cha-Cha" Muldowney...Fonda's Track Queen who went on to drag-racing greatness
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Post by: justmark on May 15, 2010, 10:17:56 AM: 1978 Lancaster Street Stock champion Mike Scroger #92 competes with Ron Richter #31x - J&H Photo
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 18, 2010, 06:17:49 PM: From the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"
These next six pictures are from Fulton Raceway (Gator photos)
First up... Don Bushbaker
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 18, 2010, 06:18:38 PM: John Colbert
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 18, 2010, 06:19:16 PM: Harold Terpening
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 18, 2010, 06:19:54 PM: Don Cocia
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 18, 2010, 06:20:44 PM: Mike Kulas
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 18, 2010, 06:21:17 PM: Don Secor
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 20, 2010, 09:08:42 PM: this is it from the 1966 "Cavalcade of Auto Racing"...bummer, Dudes!
From Watertown..the Northern Stock car Club. (these next six pics are Gator photos)
First up...Jim Armstrong
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 20, 2010, 09:09:17 PM: Frank Andre
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 20, 2010, 09:09:57 PM: Neal Tooley
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 20, 2010, 09:10:30 PM: Gary Reddick
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 20, 2010, 09:11:25 PM: Fred Gibson
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 20, 2010, 09:12:04 PM: Ray Robinson
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 23, 2010, 10:58:34 PM: here's my Dad, Norm Welty , winning an STP Sponsored Feature at Dundee Speedway around 1967. PIC BY DOLAN I BELIEVE
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Post by: railbird steve on May 27, 2010, 05:59:36 PM: please,please,please! keep posting more of dundee &woodhull!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 30, 2010, 11:21:22 PM: Wild action at Chemung. I assume it's Herbie Green and possibly Tom Gush. Dolan Photo.
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Post by: 112SMW on June 01, 2010, 07:38:35 PM: The year was 1964 and that is Herbie Green in the 88.That is not Tom Gush in the 55.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 02, 2010, 09:36:24 PM: Mike Casterline and Harold Secord race to the flag at Chemung in the beginning of the pavement era. Dolan Photo?
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 08, 2010, 09:57:11 PM: from 1989 Oswego Speedways Eagle.... (no photographer info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 15, 2010, 09:01:40 PM: from 1979 Super Dirt Week program...
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 16, 2010, 07:08:18 PM: from 1979 super dirt week program...
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 16, 2010, 07:13:13 PM: computer problems...here we go again
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 16, 2010, 07:14:59 PM: 1979 super dirt week program...
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 16, 2010, 07:17:42 PM: One last one from the 1979 Super Dirt Week program....
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 27, 2010, 10:13:52 PM: here's the cover of the VFW raceway program.
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 28, 2010, 08:49:48 PM: cover of 1974 Syracuse Memorial Day Program...
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 28, 2010, 08:50:46 PM: cover of 1974 Syracuse Labor Day program...
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on July 07, 2010, 07:45:15 PM: I don't think Dale or I have put this picture up, if it is in this thread already, I apologize.

Our father Norm Welty, the back of the photo says July 1959, Dundee heat win.
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Post by: benj413 on July 13, 2010, 10:33:14 PM: Anyone remember this oldie?
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Post by: benj413 on July 13, 2010, 10:38:31 PM: Wayne Reynolds
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Post by: benj413 on July 13, 2010, 10:39:29 PM: Ray Babbitt
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Post by: benj413 on July 13, 2010, 10:40:50 PM: J.B.Motors Racing, Danby NY, 1968
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Post by: benj413 on July 13, 2010, 10:42:21 PM: Harry Benjamin Shangri-La 1970, I think
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 15, 2010, 05:34:23 PM: George Nichols, god bless his heart, brought a bunch of pictures into work today for me to scan and post. He gets a huge thanks from me. I will get them on after the weekend but thought I would post this one to start...No information on the driver (hope you all can help out!). picture was taken in 1979 by Fred Smith
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Post by: orange16 on July 15, 2010, 09:44:55 PM: That's "Fayne Corbin" in the #3 pinto.
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Post by: bassman on July 15, 2010, 10:01:17 PM: I can certainly remember the cars that raced out of Benjamins One Stop in Danby!!! Wow, that brings back memories!!! My dad had a lot of his mechanical work done there besides stoppin for gas, smokes and the occasional 6 pack!!! I remember dad pullin in there and me checkin out the different cars when I was pretty young. I grew up about 6 miles South of there.... Thanks for postin!!! P.S.... Didn't Wane work at Zikakis Chevrolet in Ithaca??
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Post by: bakes on July 16, 2010, 04:40:27 PM: Quote from: orange16 on July 15, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
That's "Fayne Corbin" in the #3 pinto.

There's a name I hadn't heard in forever. Wonder what he ever did with that car?
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 19, 2010, 08:53:31 AM: thanks for the info on the #3...Here's the first batch of stuff from George Nichols collection.
No photographer info the first 4 pictures...maybe someone could fill in that blank.....
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 19, 2010, 08:57:29 AM: schedule card from Oswego
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 19, 2010, 09:02:14 AM: George wasn't sure who this was....
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 19, 2010, 09:03:27 AM: The great Jimmy Shampine..love these shots from the Oswego Eagle
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Post by: justmark on July 19, 2010, 09:15:05 AM: It's probably Chuck Ciprich in the Supermodified #36.
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Post by: Donnie on July 19, 2010, 01:29:52 PM: Yeah, I was just a kid, but I think the 36 was a Ron Buckner creation piloted by Chuck Ciprich. The made a couple of trips to Indy in the '70's. Still see Chuck occasionally around town.
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 19, 2010, 02:37:37 PM: was Chuck Ciprich from waterloo?
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Post by: geokent26 on July 19, 2010, 02:48:36 PM: awesome photo of JR and George Kent!!!
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on July 19, 2010, 03:47:45 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on July 19, 2010, 02:37:37 PM
was Chuck Ciprich from waterloo?

No, Burdett, NY.
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 25, 2010, 12:05:15 PM: More pictures from george Nichol's collection..
first one is Fred Quail (spelling may be wrong)...no info on photographer or track...guessing it's Chemung
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 25, 2010, 12:06:40 PM: Doug Depew...Shangri-la (Fred Smith picture)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 25, 2010, 12:07:50 PM: Doug Depew...Shangri-La (Fred Smith picture)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 25, 2010, 12:08:58 PM: George Kent...Shangri-La (Fred Smith picture)
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Post by: Rocket88 on July 25, 2010, 09:12:08 PM: Quote from: orange16 on July 15, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
That's "Fayne Corbin" in the #3 pinto.

Or is it "Forrest Plank"?? ;D
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Post by: Oilman on July 26, 2010, 01:26:36 AM: Definitely Ciprich as he was the only one who drove that car ( won the Classic in it too). That car was later sold to Tommy Leeson (renumbered 97) after Ciprich took a wild ride which ended his racing. The other card is Heveron (inside), Leeson (middle in the former Buckner 36) and what looks like Bellinger on the outside.
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on July 26, 2010, 08:19:17 AM: ole DD #22 GREAT Pics...been a long time ~ those were the daze 8)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 26, 2010, 06:17:47 PM: More pictures from George Nichol's collection....
The first one is of Doug Hewitt at Shangri-La (Fred Smith picture)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 26, 2010, 06:19:08 PM: Wayne Edwards at Shangri-La (Fred Smith picture)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 26, 2010, 06:20:40 PM: Herb Green of Elmira in the #88 Cougar. At Shangri-La (Fred Smith picture)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 26, 2010, 06:23:26 PM: Herb Green with trophy. picture was captioned "July 3, 1968...$300 race". No track or photographer info.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 26, 2010, 10:53:10 PM: Does anyone know the name of the driver of the "Arkansas Razor Back" from this photo. I don't have it listed on the back. It's an L.O. Duncan photo bought from the Chemung Speedrome phot shack in the sixties. DALE
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Post by: bakes on July 28, 2010, 10:57:41 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on July 26, 2010, 06:17:47 PM
More pictures from George Nichol's collection....
The first one is of Doug Hewitt at Shangri-La (Fred Smith picture)

The #29 in the background looks like John Martin of Owego.
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 29, 2010, 09:43:01 PM: More pictures from George Nichol's collection...
these are all of Herbie Green with one exception which we will get to last....
First one is of herb giving the kiddies a ride. I don't know about you guys, but this was my first experience in a race car.
(photo by Carlton A. Willoughby)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 29, 2010, 09:45:17 PM: The next two are pictures that George's Dad took...I'm told by George that they were tight! (from 1974)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 29, 2010, 09:45:58 PM: the second one
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 29, 2010, 09:46:56 PM: Herbie at Chemung..1970 (photo by L.O. Duncan)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 29, 2010, 09:48:15 PM: Herbie Green With the checkers circa 1969 ( photo by L.O.Duncan)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 29, 2010, 09:49:29 PM: Herbie Green in the Mustang...LOVE this car! (photo by Jack Igoe)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 29, 2010, 09:54:12 PM: Here's the exception...Herbie Green (88) trails a spinning George Kent (26) and Ralph Beers (51) in the feature race at Chemung. Herbie went on to win. (1970 from the elmira star gazette I'm guessing)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 30, 2010, 10:53:03 PM: more pictures from George Nichol's collection...
First up is George Kent circa 1969 (photo by L.O. Duncan)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 30, 2010, 10:54:02 PM: Chub Kennedy (photo by Jack Igoe)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 30, 2010, 10:56:42 PM: Tommy Gush circa 1969 (photo by L.O. Duncan)
All three of thes phots are at Chemung (we thinks)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 30, 2010, 11:00:47 PM: From the Oswego Eagle...This hard hit by Eddie Bellinger into the third turn wall sidelined him for a month
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Post by: George M. on July 30, 2010, 11:19:14 PM: Quote from: George M. on December 17, 2009, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 05, 2009, 12:30:56 PM
Does anyone know this Guy?!!! In the Sandman #12 Coupe. Probably around 67 or 68. I know who it is but do you. Never knew he drove for them! J&H photo.

Merv drove that car at Langhorne in 1967! It burst into flames on the first lap! It's in the video! Langhorne 1967 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gwCYlLqkI#normal[/url])
That video has since been updated and reposted.

Langhorne 1967 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8AsawvjHFc#)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 01, 2010, 10:15:45 PM: Here's a pic I took at the 1971 Langhorne National Open. I believe it's Bernie Miller in the Cal Smales #41. Not sure who he's passing. Bonus question....what position did the #41 finish. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 01, 2010, 10:19:16 PM: Here's another one I snapped in 71 at the Open, Flyin' Brian Osgood leads the #33 of Merz. Photo by Welty
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 01, 2010, 10:22:34 PM: Here's another view of that George Kent Mopar! Photo by L.O. Duncan from the Chemung CWRA photo booth. DALE
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Post by: justmark on August 01, 2010, 10:47:04 PM: Wayne Edwards was in the Smales #41 at Langhorne in 1971.
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Post by: orange16 on August 01, 2010, 10:50:52 PM: Great shots Dale - in that picture of the Smales 41, that's probably Wayne Edwards behind the wheel. Wayne drove for Cal in the early 70's. He's passing Bobby Hudson, a Lancaster/Spencer regular with his humpback coach #10.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 08, 2010, 12:49:47 AM: Here's another one I snapped at the 71 Langhorne race. Bodine and Evans vome down for the start! Photo by Welty
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 08, 2010, 12:51:20 AM: Later in the same race Geoff Bodine crashes and ends up right in front of where I was sitting.....Very disapointing. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 08, 2010, 12:56:02 AM: Here's one I took at the Syracuse Mile. One of my all time favorite coupes. The Ritter-klinetop 666 with Bobby Botcher at the wheel. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: blackjackracing on August 28, 2010, 09:08:45 AM: I've been compiling pictures for my project and I thought I'd share some of them them with you. Please forgive me in that a lot of these were posted in various sites without photo credits, so I'll name the photographer if I can, but....feel free to help w/ the ID's
Anyways...I'll post them as I have time throughout the winter (hard to imagine we're getting to that point).
Here's one to whet your appitite....Hoot Gibson in the #19 (guessing it was shot at Chemung...maybe by Perry Cronkrite Sr?)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 05, 2010, 01:20:08 AM: Not sure who this is. He got upside down at Chemung in this BUG. Photo by L.O. Duncan.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 06, 2010, 12:25:17 AM: Perhaps the writing on the front of the roof will give a clue as to who it is. It looks like it reads, "B. J. Special" As far as I'm concerned they're always special....at least to me!!!
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 25, 2010, 08:18:56 AM: More pictures from the George Nichols photo collection.
This first one is Chuck Akulis @ Five Mile Point (Fred Smith photo)
Loving the headers!
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 25, 2010, 08:20:26 AM: Bentley Warren @ Shangri-La (no photographer listed)
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 25, 2010, 08:22:44 AM: Bob Curren w/ the checkers...I was wondering if this one was taken at Oswego as the photographer is listed as Ms. Rita Church
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 26, 2010, 08:21:35 PM: Here are some pictures from the Geroge Nichols collection that he wasn't sure about in regards to who they were.
This first one is from Shangri-La (I'm pretty sure anyways)...photo by Fred Smith
I believe that is Lou Lazzaro parked right behind it.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 26, 2010, 08:24:20 PM: from Shangi-La (photo by Fred Smith)
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 26, 2010, 08:26:31 PM: Once again, from Shangri-La...(photo by Fred Smith)
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 26, 2010, 08:29:35 PM: the last of four unidentified drivers...(photo by Fred Smith)
Any help indentifying these guys is greatly appreciated
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Post by: Rocket88 on September 26, 2010, 09:34:32 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on September 25, 2010, 08:22:44 AM
Bob Curren w/ the checkers...I was wondering if this one was taken at Oswego as the photographer is listed as Ms. Rita Church
Rita Church was the photographer at Shangri-La in CWEGO(not Oswego) and it was taken there.

The yellow #3ny is Eddie Pennizyk(sp) who was a teammate of Pete Corey,until Pete retired.
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Post by: rsk1139 on September 27, 2010, 12:19:14 AM: I think the #17 is Ed Rafferty and I think the track is Langhorne.
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Post by: thedoebes on September 27, 2010, 09:08:59 AM: Yes, the 17 is Cazy Eddie Rafferty.

The #2 is Graeme Bolia at Shangri La Speedway.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 30, 2010, 07:01:51 PM: a couple more from George Nichols collection...
The First one is a head shot of Jerry Poland (no photographer info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 30, 2010, 07:05:22 PM: Richie Evans...someone at work thinks this was shot at Oswego (photo by Rita Church)
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Post by: thedoebes on October 01, 2010, 08:59:43 AM: Which picture is Richie?
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 01, 2010, 08:48:31 PM: Sorry about that...For whatever reason the picture didn't upload, so here you go......
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Post by: bakes on October 04, 2010, 07:23:32 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on September 26, 2010, 08:26:31 PM
Once again, from Shangri-La...(photo by Fred Smith)

The gold #3 is Ed Pieniazek.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 16, 2010, 10:29:17 AM: As promised...I have been reserching racing and racers in the Elmira area and I'd like to share some of the stuff I have found. Whenever I can I will credit the photographer but quite honestly I have "pirated" these from various sites. If anyone has info on stuff I post please don't hesitate to add input. I'm still looking for info on Doty Hill Raceway and Drive-In Speedway. If anyone out there has stories and pictures, please post......

This picture is of Bryan Osgood at Trenton in 1972 ( no photog info)
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Post by: Ford14 on October 19, 2010, 11:46:20 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on November 26, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Ha Ha ...I just saw my captions post as well....so there goes any mystery.

Dale I don't think the 89 is the same car as the 0? the 0 car has a scout frame?
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Post by: maweenie on October 23, 2010, 07:14:18 AM: since this is picture heaven, does anyone have a pics of earl harp's car when he was driving for dave. either the gordon or labonte paint scheme. post here or send pics to mustang98@thedirtforum.com . The car is finally coming out of retirement next year and looks just as good now as it did then
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2010, 08:09:41 PM: I've got some photos I "borrowed" from the HAMB website...thought i would share them with you guys... I'm not sure about any info on them ie: who the photographer was, where they were taken, etc.... Maybe some wise soul out there can fill in the blanks.

First one up...I'm guessing that this is Five Mile Point
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2010, 08:20:47 PM: this one is of Bill Northrup....two questions...Does anyone recognize where it was taken and does anyone know what the SCSCC stood for (a club I'm sure)...Once again my wild guess would be Five Mile Point
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2010, 08:24:31 PM: Buddy Nagel.....same questions...
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2010, 08:27:13 PM: Crosby Boughton....
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2010, 08:31:29 PM: I love this one...titled "greenhorn race"...check out the tree trunk popping out of the front stretch banking
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2010, 08:35:11 PM: Joe Donahue...I found another picture that says he was from Kirkwood, so I'm going out on a limb and guessing this is from Five Mile Point?
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 27, 2010, 08:42:18 PM: Eddie Witkum...not sure about this one at all....
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Post by: Jay Mooney on October 28, 2010, 08:29:14 PM: All the b&w photos labeled with SCSCC were taken at Penn Can Speedway. SCSCC stood for Susquehanna County Stock Car Club.

Eddie Witkum was a super modified driver from New England. That photo might be from Star Speedway in NH, not sure. His son Ed, Jr. races a supermodified on the ISMA circuit. Witkum's other son Randy was killed in an ISMA supermodified crash at Jennerstown in 1999.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 29, 2010, 04:09:24 PM: Thanks Mr. Mooney...Now that I look at them again, I guess the thick fence posts should of given it away........
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 07, 2010, 11:44:41 AM: Forgive me if any of these pictures are repeats from the last "oldies but goodies"...I honestly don't remember where they all came from...
The first one is Cal Lane with Eli Bodine (Jr.) at Chemung circa 1964 (L.O. Duncan photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 07, 2010, 11:48:13 AM: George Kent in a modern class car at Chemung (L.O. Duncan photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 07, 2010, 11:49:34 AM: Chuck Kennison at Weedsport (Dave Lukowski photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 07, 2010, 11:52:58 AM: Chubby Chandler at Shanri-la (Fred Smith photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 07, 2010, 11:56:55 AM: Bill Layfield with flagger Whitey Gorsuch at Hornell (Whitey Gorsuch collection) (photog. u.k.)
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 07, 2010, 12:10:21 PM: From 1965, Basil Shutt with a consi win at Hornell. (Basil Shutt collection) (photog. u.k.)
I had the chance to meet Basil this past year and you could not meet a more gracious person.....
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Post by: lightning29 on November 08, 2010, 08:37:52 PM: Mark-
I know you have been anxiously awaiting this.... still a work in progress, but please check out my website. I have a
few vintage photos on so far but will be adding regularly this winter. Sorry it took so long. Kim
www.jhracingphotos.com
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 12, 2010, 11:42:34 PM: The seat in the K9 came from this car so it probably knows the way to victory lane!
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Post by: Bigdog13 on November 13, 2010, 07:01:35 PM: The #32 of Chubby Chandler is an old Larry Catlin #88 car, or vice versa. Frankie Heeman eventually raced that car as well as the
#33.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2010, 05:28:44 PM: I attended a drivers reunion for "old timers" from the old Towanda VFW track and from Chemung. This was held at Stub Crane's shop earlier this year. One of the guys I meet was Dick Close who had run at Chemung in the late fifties and at Towanda in the sixties. he gave me a re-print of a "scorecard" program from the Atlantic Stock Car Racing Assn. from 1957. It's packed with interesting stuff but most importantly it has some awesome pictures in it...I'm going to share!
First up...Bill Scroth's #34...picture was titled "end of the line"
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2010, 05:33:39 PM: This one was on first page...there was no info
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 18, 2010, 05:35:14 PM: This one was titled "free wheeling"
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 19, 2010, 04:07:48 PM: More pictures from the A.S.C.R.A. "score-card"... What's neat about these is that the research I've done has been primarily on this era and it's so nice to put a face to a name...
First one is Lucky Cornish
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 19, 2010, 04:08:31 PM: Bucky Buchanan
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 19, 2010, 04:09:33 PM: Bobby Jaynes
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 19, 2010, 04:10:40 PM: Al Brown
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Post by: Rocket88 on November 22, 2010, 01:24:35 AM: Found this one of Ed Strada....photographer unknown....
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2010, 09:30:48 AM: More pictures of guys in and from the Southern Tier...
First one is Brett Bodine in the Thomas Brothers Country Ham BGN car @ Martinsville
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2010, 09:33:27 AM: Al Wilcox at Shangri-La. "Uncle" Al owns Trackside Products in Binghamton and is co-promoter @ Penn Can
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2010, 09:34:41 AM: The pits at Five Mile Point..I have no ID's on the cars..maybe someone could help with that.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2010, 01:17:56 PM: found this today...Those were the days!
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Post by: batz motorsports 27 on November 28, 2010, 08:13:03 PM: 5 mile pits 184.harry benjamin 23.bob payne 76.don hakes 104.skipper peake
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 30, 2010, 07:11:19 PM: I'm at work and someone tells me Rick Coyles in the building. It didn't click but then my bud fills in the blanks. Rick is Vern Coyles son. Vern was a very accomplished driver in the fifties. Rick currently drives a modified atr Shangri-La II but he also drove a super-modified for Ernie June back in the early ninties.
He let me borrow this picture. This is Rick with Ernie's famous #59 at Flemington in 1993. This was the first race run on the newly paved track (dirt lovers..unclench your teeth!). According to Rick the car didn't look like this very long as a torsion bar broke with catastrophic results...the car was wreaked badly and Rick was banged up and burned. The car is currently "hanging" with Bobby June
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Post by: no74falcon on November 30, 2010, 08:09:55 PM: Great photo Bob! Thanks so much to you and Rick.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 30, 2010, 09:58:58 PM: Got my scanner working again so I've got a few blasts from the past to post up. First one is Cal Lane coming in off the track at Chemung Speedrome. This photo was shot by one of my family members. Probably by my cousin or my brother around 1966. What I like about it is the rich scene of pit activity and the way it shows how the track was laid out in relationship to the pits. The guy at the right with the fire extingusher has on a really crazy vest. I'll put the cropped version up next so you can get a better look at Cal and his machine.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 30, 2010, 10:00:01 PM: Here's the cropped version, somewhat blurry but priceless.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 30, 2010, 10:07:46 PM: I really like this next one. It's blurry so you can make out the cars but it shows a typical family scene on the side hill off turn four at the Speedrome. That's probably my Mom and my two sisters on the blanket & I might be in my Mom's lap. Notice the backstretch pit side pole barn viewing area. The strairs took you right up on the roof and I got to go up there right before the place closed down and man that had to be a rush when those cars went flying by! Black and White and blurry but this picture says a lot!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 30, 2010, 10:10:31 PM: Here's another one off turn four only this time the "Moderns" are racing on Saturday at the Drome circa 1966. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 30, 2010, 10:15:00 PM: Last two tonight. Mert Belknapp in the 66X takes a modern stock win. If you look closely in the cropped version of the photo you can see he lost most of his right rear fender to do it! Taken by a Welty family member form the grandstand seating. DALE
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 30, 2010, 10:15:36 PM: A little closer now.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:11:41 PM: If anyone can identify the cars and drivers in the previous posts please enlighten us! Here's another long shot from the front stretch at Chemung Speedrome circa 1966. Apparrently Reese Green has turned over on the back straight. Can anyone fill us in on Reese Greens racing history? Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:17:07 PM: Here's a pic of my Dad's BUG #27 out behind the house before we built a garage. The tri-pod tee-pee looking rig was how we pulled engines with a chain hoist. All the work on the car took place outside rain or shine and mostly with a 75 watt bulb in a trouble light. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:19:30 PM: Here's the same car driven by my Dad, Norm Welty, with a win. Photo by L.O. Duncan at Chemung Speedrome.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:23:21 PM: This photo was taken through some tree branches like a stealth pic for some reason. Another long shot that I zoomed so it's kinda blurry. It say's it's Frank Chapman with his car "The Dixie Twister". Anyone have any background on where the name came from?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:25:20 PM: And is this Frankie in the same car? L.O. Duncan photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:29:02 PM: Notice Big Bad Bob frisbie in the background. I actually ran on the track with him during practice the first week Chemung reopened. Here's the Ol' #123 racing at Chemung.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:33:16 PM: Here's one of Brother Darrell with his first Modified. Not sure where this one was taken but the other pics with this one were shot at Syracuse by me. But this looks more like Weedsport to me. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 05:41:31 PM: On a total tangent here's my Dad's Morris Minor mini pick up truck. photo by Welty.
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Post by: oldguy on December 01, 2010, 09:25:03 PM: We miss your father.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 10:13:03 PM: It's been about 15 years since he passed on. He was a very private man and a good Dad to me. I think I got to know him better after I found the letters he wrote to my Mom from France during WWII. Of course he was only 23 years old and newly married at the time but I learned quite a bit about his background that we never really discussed when he was alive. He sure did a lot of work on the cars that I didn't appreciate as much as I should have when I was a kid. My brother and I must have wiped out about 25 front axles between us and blown a bunch of engines that he painstakingly assembled. Part of it was his own fault as somewhere he had got the impression that 427's and 454's built with stock GM cranks and rods could be regularly twisted to 7200 RPM's! Heck we don't twist our good small blocks much higher than that today with after-market everything in them. Anyway, here's one of my favorite photos of Norm Welty building what was probably an ill-fated Big Block for our Modified. Photo by me.
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Post by: 112SMW on December 01, 2010, 10:48:29 PM: I know a bit about Reese Green.He drove in the modern division at Chemung and Dundee and also at Towanda.He and his brother Herbie were two tough racers and they won their share of races.Reese and Herbie drove together in'64 and then in '65 Reese drove for Bob Vorhees from Pine City.He drove 2 1/2 years in Bob's car and then retired because of injuries from an auto accedent.It was from Reese that I grew into loving the sport of stock car racing.Also growing up with the Green's I learned alot about hunting and fishing.My dad was a great friend of Reese's and everyone thought they were brothers becase they did alot together. Somewhere I have photos of Reese with the 88x and the #2 that Bob Vorhees owned.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2010, 10:55:59 PM: Here's one I found that I really love! Boy have things changed as far as hauling to the races is concerned. Here's my Dad's era, all loaded up and headed to the track. 6 cylinder baby blue Rambler tow vehicle. Flat towing the Car with a tow-bar and with the tool box and spare tire probably in the racecar. Me, my two sisters, my brother and my Mom loaded in the Rambler with lots of blankets, coffe and beer all headed on the 50 minute ride to Chemung Speedrome on Saturday night! By the way the racecar was also a 6 cylinder Rambler with the very rare LeMans aluminum head!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 02, 2010, 02:13:02 AM: Great recollections on Herbie and Reese! Maybe some old timers can help me out on this one. I don't know the year but it's the Chemung womans powder-puff champions at the banquet. I think it may be at Tomasso's or O'briens Inn. On the far left is my Mother , Eris Welty. Does anyone know the other female drivers?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 02, 2010, 02:14:03 AM: Sorry, that's my other left. Mom is on the right in the blue dress. Plus I think second fromm the left may be Betty-Lou Stable.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on December 02, 2010, 12:57:17 PM: Dale,
I LOVE all your old pics & recollections. Keep them coming! Your description & pic of how you guys got that bug to the track reminded me a little of my own experience. I started racing go-karts in 1993 and most (almost all, actually) of the people in the pits at Genesee Valley Kart Club (GVKC in E. Avon) had enclosed trailers for their karts & equipment. I had an 84 Nisson Sentra wagon hatchback. With the rear seat folded down, the kart went in the back, along with 2 extra tires & wheels, an air tank, tool box, driving suit & helmet, oil & drain pan, and a small cooler (Gatoraide during the race day & beer after!). My crew chief & I had the 2 front seats (wife had to drive separately) and the kart stand & lawn chairs were bungeed to the roof rack. We used to say that that's how the Beverly Hillbillies woulda gone racin'! People laughed initially when we showed up, but after 3 seasons we hauled a big trophy & a track championship home in that same Nisson! When I went Legends racing it was always with an open trailer. I loved the days when you could see a stock car on an open trailer going down the road. There were a few times we followed the race car we saw & discovered a new track!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 02, 2010, 11:45:52 PM: Great story Shamrock 3. Here's the rig I used for many years hauling the Super-Stock to Black Rock Speedway. 1970 Ford 3/4 ton with the 300 CU In straight six and plenty of rust! This pic is from 1993.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 02, 2010, 11:49:41 PM: Here's a little bit after the BUG photo in 1973. Color matching rig and car. 1966 Dodge crew cab hauling a 396 Chevy powered 1941 coupe. Race car had a 1955 chevy frame with cross buggy spring suspension front and rear. Driven by my big Bro Darrell. photos by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 02, 2010, 11:52:13 PM: Here's a pic of Irish Jack Murphy in his Shamrock 6. Photo by Grady.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2010, 12:00:29 AM: Here's the #2X Family car shown previously at speed at Weedsport Speedway. Russ Mills Photo. Darrell ran this car two seasons I think. I believe he did have heat wins even though he was a Modified rookie and I think he picked up a fourth or Fifth at Five Mile Point with it. Pretty good for a car that had raced in the early sixties!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2010, 12:17:02 AM: Heres another Family shot pic of the "Moderns" coming off turn four at Chemung. Can anyone identify the cars & drivers? Still waiting on I.D.s for the Chemung Womans Racing Association female drivers. My parents used to tell the story of my Dad teaching my Mom to power-slide a racecar. Dad had went out in the car with my Mom driving and he was just hanging onto the bars! He hollered to her to floor it harder coming around the corner to hang the back end out. She yelled she couldn't hold it any faster so he reached over with his foot on top on hers on the gas pedal and held it to the floor wide open! They went around the top of the corner with the right rear of the car just hanging on the edge of the bank just throwin rooster tails! When they got back to the pits my Dad couldn't find his wallet. I guess it took several hours of searching over the top of the banks to find it.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2010, 01:11:34 AM: Here's an article about my Mom racing that was in the Elmira Star Gazette around 1970 or 71.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2010, 01:12:32 AM: Text may be hard to read unless you have a big screen.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2010, 04:18:36 PM: A couple more pictures from the A.S.C.R.A score card that I forgot to include...
First one is Ethel Bennett- 1956 Atlantic Womens Racing Assn. Champion.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2010, 04:20:05 PM: Nettie Ellis- 1957 spring Powder puff Champion
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 04, 2010, 02:30:45 AM: To follow up on the powder-puff racers, they ran a regular series everyother week with points tabulated and probably 12 to 15 competitors each race! I'd lke to say that by all accounts Betty-Lou Stable could have successfully raced with the men and been a top ten runner. She was easily faster than her husband in the same car! Tradgicaly she died as a young woman when the first flu shots came out. I'm not 100% sure on the circumstances but I believe her husband Gary Stable received a very large settlement from the pharmacuetial cmpany! I believe Gary died a few years ago and they had a daughter who was just an infant at the time of her mothers passing. Ifanyone knows the daughters wereabouts it might make her happy to know that people remember her Mother and know that had she been born a couple decades later she could have been kicking Danica Patricks posterior! JMO......... Pic of Betty Lou Stable by NORM WELTY.
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Post by: depew 22 on December 04, 2010, 03:10:14 PM: Cheri Stubel daughter of Betty Lou Bennett and Gary Staubel passed away in 2005 at the age of 40.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 04, 2010, 11:28:31 PM: Here's a few I shot at Syracuse in 1972. I believe this was the very first Super-DIRT race. The first one I believe is Rudolf #72 being pushed off before the start.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 04, 2010, 11:32:55 PM: Here is the COZZE Bros coupe #44. Not sure who was at he wheel this day as Al Tasnady was their driver around this time but Budd Olsen and Sammy Beavers both drove for them at times. Does anyone know for sure? Plus who was in the background of the Rudolf picture? Photo's by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 04, 2010, 11:37:17 PM: Here's Rudolf #72, Jerry Cook #38 and Kenny Brightbill #57 before the race. Photo by Welty
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 04, 2010, 11:39:24 PM: Here's a bunch of the field getting lined up. Can you name them all?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 04, 2010, 11:44:32 PM: And finally the last one for tonight, Buzzie Ruetimann #00 leads the Kerry Schroeder owned K46 valiant bodied car. If this was the Fair race I think Diffendorf won but if its the schaeffer 100 than BUZZIE drove it home #1.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 05, 2010, 09:58:48 AM: Here's a few more Ewing-Binner Peters shots I found cut from the old DIRT Programs. Frank Heman #33 slides to the top and Pete Cordes #68 and Darrell Welty #66 pass on the low side. Russ Mills Photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 05, 2010, 10:01:03 AM: This one is interesting as it has Pat Wards Dad, Bud Ward battling it out in his FORD Mustang.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 05, 2010, 10:05:28 AM: I think this one is the rarest of all because I'm not sure I remember the Binner - Peters Latemodel. Is it the late Dennis Taney at the wheel? Help me out. Sorry but I don't have the photo credit.
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Post by: rsk1139 on December 05, 2010, 11:32:02 PM: Was the Dennis Taney picture taken at the Waterloo Speedway?
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Post by: bakes on December 07, 2010, 11:33:34 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on November 30, 2010, 07:11:19 PM
I'm at work and someone tells me Rick Coyles in the building. It didn't click but then my bud fills in the blanks. Rick is Vern Coyles son. Vern was a very accomplished driver in the fifties. Rick currently drives a modified atr Shangri-La II but he also drove a super-modified for Ernie June back in the early ninties.
He let me borrow this picture. This is Rick with Ernie's famous #59 at Flemington in 1993. This was the first race run on the newly paved track (dirt lovers..unclench your teeth!). According to Rick the car didn't look like this very long as a torsion bar broke with catastrophic results...the car was wreaked badly and Rick was banged up and burned. The car is currently "hanging" with Bobby June

Very cool! Wonder what happened to Rick's last Chevette bodied Modified (the yellow/orange #72)? He also had his own super for a while after the June car. Always liked watching him (and his dad for that matter) run - low dollar for sure, but they give it a solid effort.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on December 07, 2010, 02:55:40 PM: Quote from: rsk1139 on December 05, 2010, 11:32:02 PM
Was the Dennis Taney picture taken at the Waterloo Speedway?

Dale and I talked about that but don't think it is Waterloo. The fence makes me think Canandaigua but I could definitely be wrong
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 07, 2010, 05:26:53 PM: Darrell and Dale... there's little doubt in my mind that the Binner Equipment 66 shot was taken at Waterloo. The corrugated metal fence on the outside of the armco barrier was to restrict viewing the track from the street directly on the other side. The track literally sat 8 feet from the road.

There was no official souvenir program for the speedway then. Gater Racing News printed a special page (an outer cover, if you will) for Gaters sold at the track. That print across the top of the picture probably said LM Clay Country, a section devoted to a series of pictures of Late Model action. I still have a few of them tucked away for safe keeping, as well as a bunch of Maplegrove Speedway admission tickets.

Possible drivers in the shot include: Carl Game - 72 (being tagged by the 66), Bill Best - 50 (pushing the 66), Ken Updyke - either 150, 151 or 152 (sitting sideways facing the outside). If I had to guess who was driving the 66, I'd say probably not Denis Taney. He drove a red 11T. My best guess would be either Bill Matteson or Wally Burnett.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 07, 2010, 10:53:08 PM: Here's another late model flash back from Weedsport. Jack Emerson leads.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 07, 2010, 10:55:25 PM: All four drivers moved up to the Modifieds and I had the pleasure of racing against them. Jeff Kappaser was probably the most successful of the four in the Modified division. Russ Mills photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 07, 2010, 11:01:17 PM: Here's the car Dad brought home to build into a Latemodel for the racing wars at Chemung and Dundee. Apparently it wasn't the easiest car to build as it was christened the ODTAA SPECIAL. That stood for One Dang Thing After Another Special. He raced this car against Geoff Bodine when he was just getting into stock cars.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 07, 2010, 11:03:21 PM: Here it is with a heat win after it was up and running. Norm Welty at the wheel. L.O. Duncan Photo.
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 07, 2010, 11:13:22 PM: Found this....check out the HAIR!!!!!!
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 07, 2010, 11:17:10 PM: Milt Johnson, father of Alan and Danny..photographer unknown.
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Post by: oldguy on December 08, 2010, 12:02:16 PM: My brother and I were working at Canandaigua when Alan towed in his first #14 modified. Freddy Brooks ran that number, so Alan had to change. Big-mouth brother suggested, "Just put a J on it." Forever more, scorers will bemoan the addition of letters to car numbers.
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Post by: Frasson118 on December 08, 2010, 02:25:31 PM: To end the mystery of the Binner-Peters car, I believe this to be Chuck Watson. When we teamed up, it seemed our motor ran better in his chassis. His car was (I think) a '63 Chevelle with a Chevy 289, car #3. Ours was a 70 Chevelle (bought from Dick Cooke) with a Chevy 327.

His car handled... our motor ran. Together, we should have won the Waterloo Raceway re-opening, as we were WAY out front with only about a lap-1/2 to go when it dropped a driveshaft. If memory serves, Walt Mitchell wound up winning that race.

We did wind up teaming with Denis Taney not long after this, but it was a Camaro bodied car... the Red #66.

Dale... I think Darrell was there that day driving the Fischer 98Jr.
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Post by: no74falcon on December 08, 2010, 07:00:42 PM: Quote from: oldguy on December 08, 2010, 12:02:16 PM
My brother and I were working at Canandaigua when Alan towed in his first #14 modified. Freddy Brooks ran that number, so Alan had to change. Big-mouth brother suggested, "Just put a J on it." Forever more, scorers will bemoan the addition of letters to car numbers.

I still see Fred Brooks as he was in NAPA in Morrisville on Monday where I work. He priced out an inner fender for a '87 Chevy truck he uses to plow snow. When I gave him the price he decided to get it as he was thinking about building one out of wood! I will be sure to show him this thread when he comes in next time.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 08, 2010, 09:11:14 PM: Here's a picture of the 98JR with car owner John Fisher and Bro Darrell in victory lane at Rolling Wheels. This car was a little behind the times but on Drag Tires it would really run! I know Darrell won at both Rolling wheels and Weedsport in this car but I'm not sure about Waterloo or Canandaguia. One night he finished in it as a convertable as the roof was raising up on the straights and he was reaching up and holding it down but on the last lap it went up before he could grab it and Darrell was top-less at the checkers. I'd like to see a pic of that!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 08, 2010, 09:14:43 PM: Here's Darrell with his very first race car the 57 plymouth 318 cu in. Ran dirt and pavement. Man is he young here! Hair not quite out to the full afro yet....just fashionably curley!
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 09, 2010, 11:54:06 AM: Home movies from Fulton Speedway 1970’s

This Super 8 home footage from Fulton was posted on Youtube about a year ago. I never noticed it until now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn1eJ2VL0Sw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn1eJ2VL0Sw)

I’m thinking this is actually from 1974 as Geoff Bodine was still in the #99 then and Sonny Seamon would have been in the #50 Pinto that year. In ’75, Sonny was in the #86 at Fulton. I can’t make out the numbers on some of them.

As they roll out of the pits for a heat race:
86 (not sure who drove it in ‘74)
231 Donnie Kroft
? (Looks like it might be Diff in the Schutt 40?)
16 Dick Clark
41 Bernie Miller
?
50 Sonny Seamon
5 Larry Edwards

Next heat:
17 Ken Canestrari
99 Geoff Bodine
20 Rick Thorpe
12 Larry Nye
88 Mike Loescher
?
6 Maynard Troyer
?
38 Jerry Cook

Also, Fulton strictly stock action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFZA2Ci1wNg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFZA2Ci1wNg&feature=related)

The same person who posted these videos also has one that he believes is Shangri-la from the same era, but it looks like Stafford to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPfB_2Rr2Bo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPfB_2Rr2Bo&feature=related)
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 09, 2010, 04:51:49 PM: Agree on the year,,1974. Mike Loescher drove the Al Schutt Vega, and Diff was his teammate. Both cars were kept at Mike's shop, which was about 2 miles from where I lived, then.
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Post by: 112SMW on December 09, 2010, 04:58:16 PM: That is Stafford for sure.
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Post by: Rocket88 on December 09, 2010, 05:07:41 PM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on December 09, 2010, 11:54:06 AM
Home movies from Fulton Speedway 1970’s

This Super 8 home footage from Fulton was posted on Youtube about a year ago. I never noticed it until now: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn1eJ2VL0Sw[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn1eJ2VL0Sw[/url])

I’m thinking this is actually from 1974 as Geoff Bodine was still in the #99 then and Sonny Seamon would have been in the #50 Pinto that year. In ’75, Sonny was in the #86 at Fulton. I can’t make out the numbers on some of them.

As they roll out of the pits for a heat race:
86 (not sure who drove it in ‘74)
231 Donnie Kroft
? (Looks like it might be Diff in the Schutt 40?)
16 Dick Clark
41 Bernie Miller
could be #14 Chuck Kerfien ?
50 Sonny Seamon
5 Larry Edwardsor is it Don Yeingst?

Next heat:
17 Ken Canestrari
99 Geoff Bodine
20 Rick Thorpe
12 Larry Nye
88 Mike Loescher
?#61 Richie Evans
6 Maynard Troyer
?
38 Jerry Cook

Also, Fulton strictly stock action:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFZA2Ci1wNg&feature=related[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFZA2Ci1wNg&feature=related[/url])

The same person who posted these videos also has one that he believes is Shangri-la from the same era, but it looks like Stafford to me:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPfB_2Rr2Bo&feature=related[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPfB_2Rr2Bo&feature=related[/url])

I did pick out the #05 of Don Whalen at the 1:10 mark in the darkness.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 09, 2010, 05:40:20 PM: Quote from: Rocket88 on December 09, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Jay Mooney on December 09, 2010, 11:54:06 AM
5 Larry Edwardsor is it Don Yeingst?

I think you're right. Now that I think about it, it probably is Yeingst. Good catch.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 09, 2010, 05:51:30 PM: Found some pictures on the H.A.M.B that were in a grouping with Five Mile Point and Penn Can photos....Anyone have any info?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 09, 2010, 05:51:59 PM: The next one...
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 10, 2010, 05:18:13 PM: A few more that need I.D ing...I'm thinking the #113 is Bucky Dew
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 10, 2010, 05:21:21 PM: Here's another...captioned Jimmy "Jet" Donahue...found another with car # 23 labled Joe Donahue...any info?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2010, 04:58:22 PM: Here's one I took of Buzzie Ruetimann at Syracuse in 77. Still running a coupe even on the big tracks. Photo by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2010, 05:01:41 PM: here's one I snapped of Toby Tobias and Tighe Scott on the back straight at Syracuse in 1977. Does anyone know the guy on the Van 's Roof! pic by Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2010, 08:50:26 PM: Here's another one from the Gator News. Dave Lycowski photo. One of my all time favorite cars, the former Gerald Chamberlain - Bullock Falcon #94 driven by Wally Burnett and Darrell Welty in the 98jr at Waterloo Speedway
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Post by: vintage44 on December 13, 2010, 08:35:36 AM: Rocket88/Jay Mooney - Can you fill me in on the #5 possibly being Don Yeingst? He raced a car out of my dad's junkyard in the 60s (Five Mile Point/Shangri-la, Langhorne, etc.) and then the #04 for Wes German (Broome Heating). I got involved in dating my eventual wife about 1967 and kind of lost track of his driving. We are still good friends but I was never aware of him driving a #5 for someone. As a footnote, I had his last car (blue '67 "Cuda #44) for several years before it left my control and last I knew was in the hands of a guy who plans to restore it,
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 13, 2010, 10:04:27 AM: Quote from: vintage44 on December 13, 2010, 08:35:36 AM
Rocket88/Jay Mooney - Can you fill me in on the #5 possibly being Don Yeingst? He raced a car out of my dad's junkyard in the 60s (Five Mile Point/Shangri-la, Langhorne, etc.) and then the #04 for Wes German (Broome Heating). I got involved in dating my eventual wife about 1967 and kind of lost track of his driving. We are still good friends but I was never aware of him driving a #5 for someone. As a footnote, I had his last car (blue '67 "Cuda #44) for several years before it left my control and last I knew was in the hands of a guy who plans to restore it,
The b&w photo below is Donnie Yeingst in the #5. It's scanned from the 1975 Gater News Yearbook. Pictures in this particular issue where from ’74 and ’75. I was at Shangri-la every week in ’75 and have all the programs. He’s not listed in the rosters that year so that’s why I’m thinking this pic is from ’74.

The color Fred Smith photo is of Donnie next to the #5 taken at Shangri-la.

I’ll ask my father to see if he knows more about that car, who owned it, where it came from. He helped Donnie from time to time. It almost looks like it could have originally been one of Dutch/Dean Hoag’s cars.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 14, 2010, 09:15:30 AM: That car definately looks like one of hoags cars. I remember the rack of the body and the holes cut in the roof wrtap around when Dutch briefly returned to try his hand on dirt at Weedsport with what looked to be this very car. Also attached is a photo of Roy Schenks car that he had used the body from an old Hoag Car. I shot this at Waterloo around 1977.
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Post by: bakes on December 14, 2010, 10:22:58 AM: Quote from: vintage44 on December 13, 2010, 08:35:36 AM
Rocket88/Jay Mooney - Can you fill me in on the #5 possibly being Don Yeingst? He raced a car out of my dad's junkyard in the 60s (Five Mile Point/Shangri-la, Langhorne, etc.) and then the #04 for Wes German (Broome Heating). I got involved in dating my eventual wife about 1967 and kind of lost track of his driving. We are still good friends but I was never aware of him driving a #5 for someone. As a footnote, I had his last car (blue '67 "Cuda #44) for several years before it left my control and last I knew was in the hands of a guy who plans to restore it,

If the 5 is an ex-Hoag car, the timeline would probably be Hoag 7 (or 77) -> Butch Harris 3A -> 5 -> Schenks.

I remember one Shangri-La racing News that showed a pic of one of Don's cars completely wadded up from a wreck - any idea if that was your dad's car or the German 04? Must have been '67 or '68.

I don't know that I've ever seen a last name spelled more ways than Don's. ;)
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 14, 2010, 03:29:43 PM: Quote from: bakes on December 14, 2010, 10:22:58 AM

I remember one Shangri-La racing News that showed a pic of one of Don's cars completely wadded up from a wreck - any idea if that was your dad's car or the German 04? Must have been '67 or '68.

Is this the wreck you're thinking of?
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Post by: vintage44 on December 14, 2010, 03:54:52 PM: Bakes,
Yeah, don't know many guys who've had their last name massacred so much. The wreck looks to be Wes German's car #04. I know the #04s were white and one at least was a big fat-fendered coupe body (no fenders, tho'). It may even be one that ran at Langhorne that had to be renumbered to #40. I have a few pics of me standing next to it at age 17 and also of it on the trailer at our garage/home on the Sunday morning after it was t-boned on the backstretch by bennie stephens. I spoke to Bennie at the last race at Shangri-la and he remembered the wreck - said he was running with no brakes and could not swerve in time to miss Don. Note to self - get those old pics scanned to upload to this thread!
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 14, 2010, 04:11:01 PM: Waterloo regulars (I'm not sure if these are actually from Waterloo)
First pic is Larry Nye in the #150
On further inspection, this looks like it might of been taken at Mid-State...can anyone verify?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 14, 2010, 04:12:18 PM: C. Kotary in the X60 (or is that 60X)...Cliff, right?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 14, 2010, 04:13:15 PM: Sammy Reakes in the 111
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 14, 2010, 04:14:13 PM: Johnny McArdel in the 11
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 14, 2010, 04:14:52 PM: This was labled unknown...62ny
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Post by: no74falcon on December 14, 2010, 05:35:21 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on December 14, 2010, 04:14:52 PM
This was labled unknown...62ny
Frank Trinkhaus had some different drivers but not sure who this is... Lee Millington maybe?
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 15, 2010, 10:43:22 AM: Re: Don Yeingst in the #5 in 1974 (pictured below). My father thought it was Bucky Edwards’ car and Yeingst drove it for him once. He wasn’t quite sure but he thought he remembered something like that taking place.

I don’t think Yeingst raced at all between ’75-’76. However, in 1977 he showed up late in the year at Shangri-la with the #44 in the b&w pic below, here racing beside Richie Evans as they follow the #80 of Jerry Mathis.

The color picture is of the same car in what I would guess the last time both car and driver raced, Pocono 1977.
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Post by: bakes on December 15, 2010, 11:53:35 AM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on December 14, 2010, 03:29:43 PM
Quote from: bakes on December 14, 2010, 10:22:58 AM

I remember one Shangri-La racing News that showed a pic of one of Don's cars completely wadded up from a wreck - any idea if that was your dad's car or the German 04? Must have been '67 or '68.

Is this the wreck you're thinking of?
Yep, Jay, that's the one. Amazed I remembered that pic. Thanks
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Post by: Dirtmod8Mfan on December 15, 2010, 11:58:16 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on December 14, 2010, 04:11:01 PM
Waterloo regulars (I'm not sure if these are actually from Waterloo)
First pic is Larry Nye in the #150
On further inspection, this looks like it might of been taken at Mid-State...can anyone verify?

Looks like Midstate (Morris Fair Grounds) bleachers & grandstand to me. I'm still amazed that nobody ever got seriously hurt (or worse) from flying debris while sitting in those bleachers. The front wall is only about 3-4 feet high and the first row of bleachers is only 10-15 feet from the track.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 15, 2010, 10:42:46 PM: Would that 62 NY be Wes Moody? I remember him having a car with the door painted similarly and I think he was usually #62.
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Post by: oldguy on December 15, 2010, 11:20:17 PM: I remember Wes driving the #63 - similar door paint design as the #62 shown. I poked around and found this site featuring Wes' cars.

http://www.catamountstadium.com/wesmoody.htm
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Post by: tom35 on December 16, 2010, 12:05:04 AM: I believe the 62 was Don Wyman !!
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on December 16, 2010, 07:47:13 AM: I think Tom's right...Don Wayman in the 62. Wes Moody was usually 63, as stated. I'm pretty sure he never drove the 62 car.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 16, 2010, 10:14:49 AM: Just found this...
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Post by: bcross on December 16, 2010, 12:50:11 PM: The Trinkaus 62 is definitely not Lee Millington. Lee was a tall/skinny guy. Don Wayman sounds like a good bet. As a kid growing up at Fonda, I used to love watching Lee drive my dad/uncles 47. I think Lee also drove a number 108. He later drove Frank's 62, but had a terrible crash at Syracuse.

At first I thought that pic of the 62 was at Fonda, but having spent alot of time in the stands at Fonda, they did not have full seating down to the fence. There were long stairways upto the big old style fairgrounds covered grandstand. Does anyone else recognize the track in the pic?
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Post by: no74falcon on December 17, 2010, 06:49:28 AM: Brent, Thanks for setting me straight. I know a lot of guys drove for Frank and Lee was the only one that came to mind that I didn't think I would recognize. I think at one time though, Fonda did have seats in front of the grandstands. I always thought it was weird as I just couldn't picture them being there. Gonna have to get my "Fonda" book out tonight and look through. This is by far, my favorite thread on RACENY. Thanks to everyone for the photos and knowledge.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2010, 09:45:43 PM: Isn't it funny how things kind of fall together.... I'm looking for some stuff on another site and i saw these two pics....
First one was labled Trinkaus...
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2010, 09:46:36 PM: The second one was labled Don Wayman
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Post by: thedoebes on December 18, 2010, 01:07:31 PM: Bakes,yea the picture of the 04 was owned by Wes German.I have the same picture in one of my old Gator year books.Before that in 1964 he had the 04 and circle 04 that raced at Shangri-La.Mike Zopp took the championship that year in the 04.Ed Prentice drove the circle 04,who was tradgicaly killed in Viet Nam.Joe Donahue also drove the 04 and circle 04 for Wes before Don.My cousins and me used to hang around the garage alot which was behind Baushs' Esso gas station on Rt. 11 in Hinmans Corner.Later on we started calling it Hinmans Creek as a joke because Castle Creek was just a little north. The next thing you know it was in the Shangri-La programs put in there by my cousin Ed Doebler and Gary"AJ"George as "Hinmans Creek Bar found at most racetracks".A few years later when they started working on Jerry Hayes car that Bob Page owned they started calling his garage Hinmans Creek Engineering since his garage was on the otherside of the creek. When AJ lettered the 87 he actually put it on the car.

I will have my old programs and some pictures at Dougs Speed Shops Christmas party friday.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 18, 2010, 01:34:25 PM: Advertisement for "Hinman's Creek Bar" in the 1975 Shangri-la Speedway program. To this day I have no idea who "Boris" was. ???
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Post by: 112SMW on December 18, 2010, 03:41:49 PM: Larry Grover drove that that year for Art I do believe.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 18, 2010, 10:31:03 PM: I found info on one of the pictures I was trying to get identified...the picture w/ the # 23 is on one of Mid-States pages for 5 Mile point...it is captioned 'Joe Donahue in the #23 Jimmy Jet' ..... Anyone have any info on the other three?
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Post by: thedoebes on December 19, 2010, 09:12:33 AM: Jay,Boris was Tom Fatuesky(spelling)he was from the Hinmans Creek neighborhood and hung out with us.I just seen him a couple of months ago,he had a stroke and walks with a cane.

When you see your parents again tell them I talked to my Aunt Betty yesterday and she's doing fine.She told me my cousin Jimmy just move down the street from me.Tell them that he had a stroke and has to use a cane.

I've been trying to get a hold of Eddie to see if he 's coming up from NC for the holidays.

Tell your parents Merry Christmas and happy New Year from me and the same to you.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 19, 2010, 11:31:19 AM: Thanks Ron. Will do. Speaking of your brother "Leadfoot", I found a pic of him taken at Shangri-la in 1979. I was the one responsible for this lettering "job". This was my first...and last...effort at lettering a race car. I hung up my white shoe polish right afterwards. Although, looking back at it now, it's not too bad for a 13 year old kid. :)

Happy Holidays!
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Post by: no74falcon on December 19, 2010, 05:44:22 PM: Jay... I turned 10 that summer and it was the last year Dad raced on a weekly basis, against Ed and the rest of the Street Stock class at Shangri-La. I remember Ed getting faster that year and showing improvement.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:14:30 PM: I have found a bunch of stuff that I'm not sure of, so I thought I would post them and let you guys take a stab.
I will give tham a referance #....Here goes....
#A2... Otto Graham on the hook. In a lot of the pictures I'm finding there is a LONG barn behind the back-stretch...Is this Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:15:22 PM: #A4.... Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:16:10 PM: #A5... Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:17:13 PM: #A6... Jim Mott... At Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:18:25 PM: #A7.... Freddy Shepard... at Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:19:10 PM: # A8... Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:20:20 PM: Al Sanders (Bill Wimble in the back-ground).... at Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:21:35 PM: #A10... Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:23:20 PM: #A11....Cliff Kotary in the #60X.... Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:24:34 PM: #A12..I've seen this picture posted before...Larry Nye is #150...Any ideas where this was taken?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:25:47 PM: # A13... Chuck Akulis is in the #131...Any ideas where this was taken>
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:27:33 PM: # A15....Barney Barnard...at Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:28:25 PM: #A16..... Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:29:26 PM: #A17.... Benito Mariotti....Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:31:24 PM: #A18... This last one is Bert Owen... is this Lou Cicirello w/ him? Maybe Cuba Lake?
Thanks guys...looking forward to hearing your responses
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 20, 2010, 04:36:52 PM: Quote from: no74falcon on December 19, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
Jay... I turned 10 that summer and it was the last year Dad raced on a weekly basis, against Ed and the rest of the Street Stock class at Shangri-La. I remember Ed getting faster that year and showing improvement.
Hard to believe that was over 30 years ago. Hey, didn't I read once where you said your dad tried out a supermodified a couple of times? This past weekend I was doing some photo scanning and stumbled across this photo in a Gater Racing News dated August 22, 1969. I thought it might be your dad. Looked like a pretty rough ride. Flipping on pavement is never good.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 20, 2010, 04:52:46 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:31:24 PM
#A18... This last one is Bert Owen... is this Lou Cicirello w/ him? Maybe Cuba Lake?
Thanks guys...looking forward to hearing your responses

#A18 of Bert Owen was taken at Shangri-la. That's the original grandstands in the background so my guess is it was taken in the 1950's sometime. Those old stands were deemed unsafe and condemned by the village of Owego in the later half of the 50's decade. They were burned down by a local hot rod club so drag racing could take place on the front stretch. Not sure who the person is shaking Bert's hand. It could be the flagger or race promoter. Shangri-la's owner Bill Owen promoted some stock car shows in the 50's. Not sure if that's him though. The track was leased to a number of different promoters back then such as Al Richardson, Carol Clark and Fred Bronson to name a few.

Also, #A13 the Chuck Akulis 131 picture was taken at Shangri-la too - somewhere around 1967 or so.
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Post by: uticamike on December 20, 2010, 10:06:50 PM: For those that don't know of this site, you might enjoy it. >> http://66.154.44.164/forum/showthread.php?t=174989&page=380
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Post by: no74falcon on December 21, 2010, 07:04:27 AM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on December 20, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: no74falcon on December 19, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
Jay... I turned 10 that summer and it was the last year Dad raced on a weekly basis, against Ed and the rest of the Street Stock class at Shangri-La. I remember Ed getting faster that year and showing improvement.
Hard to believe that was over 30 years ago. Hey, didn't I read once where you said your dad tried out a supermodified a couple of times? This past weekend I was doing some photo scanning and stumbled across this photo in a Gater Racing News dated August 22, 1969. I thought it might be your dad. Looked like a pretty rough ride. Flipping on pavement is never good.
Thanks for the photo Jay! One I had never seen of my father. Dad did race a Super for Herm and Stella Graf, at Oswego weekly, and special shows at Pocono, Cayuga Canada, and Fulton too that I just discovered! Thanks so much!
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Post by: thedoebes on December 21, 2010, 09:08:42 AM: Jay,I was helping him on his car then and I do remember that.It was a good job for your age and having to use white shoe polish.

About Eddie being my brother, actually he's my cousin,but that's ok.We had alot of people who thought we were brothers because of the same last name,and the way we always hung out together.
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Post by: thedoebes on December 21, 2010, 09:39:06 AM: Blckjackracing,Jay was right about the picture "A13"being taken at Shangri La the 60 car is Dave Offnick.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 21, 2010, 10:08:51 AM: Quote from: thedoebes on December 21, 2010, 09:08:42 AM
About Eddie being my brother, actually he's my cousin,but that's ok.We had alot of people who thought we were brothers because of the same last name,and the way we always hung out together.
Sorry Ron! My bad. I guess I knew that. I'm just getting old and confused. ::)

Here's some more pictures to keep the thread going...

The first photo is pf Bob Page's "Hinman's Creek Engineering" #87 driven by Jerry Hayes following Bill Strosahl (#15) and Don Diffendorf (#S/360) at Shangri-la in 1967.

The second photo is of Mike Zopp (John Manny's 10-10) after losing a bout with the turn four wall at Brewerton Speedway in 1967. Brewerton experimented with Sunday night modified shows that year. The feature winner on this night was Jerry Hayes.

The third photo is the aftermath of Don Yeingst's (Wes German's #04?) blown engine at Shangri-la in '67. Benny Stephens is the other car caught up in the wreck.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 21, 2010, 10:17:24 AM: Quote from: no74falcon on December 21, 2010, 07:04:27 AM
Thanks for the photo Jay! One I had never seen of my father. Dad did race a Super for Herm and Stella Graf, at Oswego weekly, and special shows at Pocono, Cayuga Canada, and Fulton too that I just discovered! Thanks so much!
Here's one more for you that I found last night. I believe that's your dad in the #74 dodging a spinning Dave Lape #22 and Ray Sitterly #C-88 at Utica-Rome Speedway. This was from a Gater News dated June 5, 1970...
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Post by: no74falcon on December 21, 2010, 01:20:27 PM: WOW!!! I can't thank you enough Jay. To see Dad in that photo with Dave and Ray is just a reminder to me that I had the most wonderful childhood. That is the car of Dad's I am currently restoring. Please post anymore photos of Dad if you find them!
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Post by: bakes on December 21, 2010, 01:38:28 PM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on December 21, 2010, 10:08:51 AM
Quote from: thedoebes on December 21, 2010, 09:08:42 AM
About Eddie being my brother, actually he's my cousin,but that's ok.We had alot of people who thought we were brothers because of the same last name,and the way we always hung out together.
Sorry Ron! My bad. I guess I knew that. I'm just getting old and confused. ::)

Here's some more pictures to keep the thread going...

The first photo is pf Bob Page's "Hinman's Creek Engineering" #87 driven by Jerry Hayes following Bill Strosahl (#15) and Don Diffendorf (#S/360) at Shangri-la in 1967.

The second photo is of Mike Zopp (John Manny's 10-10) after losing a bout with the turn four wall at Brewerton Speedway in 1967. Brewerton experimented with Sunday night modified shows that year. The feature winner on this night was Jerry Hayes.

The third photo is the aftermath of Don Yeingst's (Wes German's #04?) blown engine at Shangri-la in '67. Benny Stephens is the other car caught up in the wreck.

Thanks for the pics Jay - some of my favorite childhood memories in those three. I can still see Mike Zopp waving to us kids from that exact car in my mind's eye - the first time I remember being at Shangri-La back in 1967.
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Post by: uticamike on December 21, 2010, 06:33:01 PM: Look at those BIG FAT Firestones. Yee haa.
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Post by: leadfoot4 on December 21, 2010, 07:22:21 PM: Quote from: uticamike on December 20, 2010, 10:06:50 PM
For those that don't know of this site, you might enjoy it. >> [url]http://66.154.44.164/forum/showthread.php?t=174989&page=380[/url]

That's QUITE a site!! Someone turned me on to it about 6-7 months ago, when it was "only" about 250 pages..... took me about 3-4 hours to get through it to page 250, and by then there were 12-14 more!

For the Troyer fans out there, there are some GREAT pictures of the black, #17 'Bandit" around pages 260-270....
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Post by: no74falcon on December 21, 2010, 09:06:23 PM: Jay, As I have thought more about those photos you posted of my father, I realized their significance, to me anyway. The first one, from the August 22, 1969 Gater, was a month or so after the day I was born, July 12, 1969. I was born late in the morning on a Saturday. Mom knew Dad was getting itchy all afternoon, so she told him to go ahead and go if he wanted, so off he went to Shangri-La. The second photo, from the June 5, 1970 Gater, was a about a month before Dad had his bad accident at Oswego in Herm Graf's Super, July 4th weekend, 1970. Dad was out the rest of the year and went back to driving Modifieds full time in '71.
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Post by: eone on December 22, 2010, 12:18:18 AM: Lot of history buffs here.I have more than one thousand magazines and racing papers mostly from 70s and 80s including stock car racing Circle Track,National Speed Sport News and others.Also race books and race programs.Much more.Call Ronnie 716 685 1196
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Post by: Dirtmod8Mfan on December 22, 2010, 10:00:59 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:14:30 PM
In a lot of the pictures I'm finding there is a LONG barn behind the back-stretch...Is this Mid-State?

Sorry it's taken so long to reply...I thought someone else would have answered the question long before now.

Midstate's "LONG barn behind the back-stretch" was the horse barn on the fair grounds. I remember sitting in the grand stand as a kid and watching someone lose it off turn 2, go in the door on the turn 2 end and out the door heading for turn 4. They just keep racing like nothing had happened.

I also remember the day someone hit the tower on the home stretch and drove the car into it up to the windshield.

Ahhhhh the “good old days”!
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 22, 2010, 04:11:14 PM: here's one I messed up posting.... #A5
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Post by: rannyville_concrete_eater on December 23, 2010, 06:48:39 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on December 20, 2010, 03:23:20 PM
#A11....Cliff Kotary in the #60X.... Mid-State?

That pic might be older than me.. but I'm bettin Syracuse.. Great pics!
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 23, 2010, 10:18:38 AM: Thanks guys...I wasn't sure as I'm not familiar w/ a lot of these tracks...As Utica Mike pointed out, the H.A.M.B. is an awesome treasure trove of old racing pics. The unfortunate thing is that many of the images are not identified... There are also threads for "stock cars" ie NASCAR and full bodied cars and also a thread for Open wheel cars, ie sprints and midgets....... As for the car going into the tower. that is posted on their site and when I get back to that point (going through it again) I will lift it and bring it here.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 23, 2010, 10:30:36 AM: This picture is from the Ford Easton collection...He is in the process of writting a book on racing in the southern tier of Ny. I can't wait to get my hands on it!
This shot is of Don Belzile @ North Collins Speedway outside of Buffalo.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 23, 2010, 04:00:43 PM: Quote from: Dirtmod8Mfan on December 22, 2010, 10:00:59 AM
Midstate's "LONG barn behind the back-stretch" was the horse barn on the fair grounds. I remember sitting in the grand stand as a kid and watching someone lose it off turn 2, go in the door on the turn 2 end and out the door heading for turn 4. They just keep racing like nothing had happened.

Now that's a good story right there. :)

Here's two Gater News photos I found recently that were taken during Midstate's final year of racing, 1972. You can see some of the horse barns in the background and how close they were to the track.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 23, 2010, 04:06:17 PM: What caused the demise of Mid-State?
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 23, 2010, 04:54:55 PM: Mid-State pic w/ Pete Cordes in the # 68 and Joe Donahue in the #tc9
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 23, 2010, 04:55:55 PM: Pete Cordes w/ Chuck Akulis' car in the background
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 23, 2010, 04:58:25 PM: Picture captions are self-explanitory.....
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 24, 2010, 10:54:13 AM: A couple for Mr. George.... Johnny Oblinski @ Mid-State
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 24, 2010, 10:54:46 AM: other side
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 24, 2010, 10:55:36 AM: ...And the resulting hole
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Post by: oldguy on December 24, 2010, 11:39:51 AM: Some may remember a similar judge's stand at Maplegrove in Waterloo. The bottom of that building was set up as a concession stand for the pit area. Yes, a car hit that one, too. I didn't see it and do not remember which driver had the honor. I remember the look on one concessions worker's face. She was terrified. Her face was, as they say, white as a ghost. She moved her labors to the concessions on the back of the covered grandstand. Smart girl, that one.
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Post by: Dirtmod8Mfan on December 24, 2010, 01:53:01 PM: Thanks guys. Great pictures and great memories.

I'm not sure what the buildings are in the first Gater photo; I think they may have been poultry or storage barns just off turn 2. The barn in the 2nd photo is the cattle barn that sat quite a ways off turn 1. There was a road that ran outside turns 1 & 2 between the barns and the track and came onto the backstretch at the exit of turn 2. At one time it was the entrance to the pits in the center of the track. It wasn't uncommon to see a car go off the track in that area, catch the entrance road come back on the track and keep on racing.

The horse barn was about 1/3 of the way down and paralell to the back stretch. It had doors in both ends which allowed whoever it was to just go straight through without hitting anything solid.

As I remember, the Oblinski incident was the demise of the tower; the officials decided they didn't want to be in there any more. It was torn down and replaced by an observation cupola on top of the grandstand.

I knew Phil Clement, his father was AD, my gym teacher and coach at the local school. I used to travel with the Tc9 when it ran with the antique club. It's now owned by John Mason in Gilbertsville and, I believe, he still displays it but it's no longer safe to race....frame was getting bad when we sold it.

Again, thanks fot the memories and Merry Christmas to all.
Ed
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Post by: ron.m on December 24, 2010, 06:18:25 PM: Canadaquia also had a judges tower on the infield right on turn 4 as I was working in there I was hoping a car wouldn't make that far.Don't remember the year John Unaman can because he made many trips up the stairs to get his trophy for drag racing there
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Post by: Dirtmod8Mfan on December 24, 2010, 08:40:31 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on December 23, 2010, 04:06:17 PM
What caused the demise of Mid-State?

I'm not sure but I think it was a combination on the village residents and the promoter. Many village residents didn't like the dust and noise. It was before the cars had mufflers and the track was just dirt, no clay on it at all. The races brought a lot of exra traffic to town (and to the 2 local bars after the races) and a lot of the residents didn't feel it was a class of people they wanted around....even once a week.

The fair grounds was (still is) owned by the Grange so there must have been some kind of lease agreement and there was a rumor that the promoter took off with what money there was at the end of the season and no one could afford to keep the track operational.

It's really a good thing they colosed. The speeds had gone way beyond the track's ability to handle it safely; they were running over 100mph in the straightaways and it was mostly straightaways with very tight turns and not much banking. I'm quite sure that, if they'd run there another year or two someone would have ended up getting killed, either on the track or in the stands.
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Post by: BOZO6106 on December 25, 2010, 08:57:30 AM: WHERE WAS THIS TRACK LOCATED?
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Post by: 24KC on December 25, 2010, 01:04:27 PM: Otsego County Fairgrounds Morris, NY
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 25, 2010, 02:16:34 PM: Midstate Speedway was known by many names throughout the 20+ years it ran stock cars. Most just called it "Morris". As Ed George said, I think the dust and noise Midstate generated ultimately did it in. From what I could gather the place was having a hard time making money toward the end. Different promoters came and went. At one time, Morris would draw a mix of competitors from Eastern NY and the Southern Tier. I’m sure it was a struggle for Lebanon Valley runners like Mert Hulbert, Tommy Corellis and Butch Jelly to get to Morris after work on a Friday night. You have to remember this was well before I-88 was constructed. By 1972, Midstate had competition for racers and fans from two other newly built tracks which were also running Friday nights– one in CNY and the other in the Southern Tier: Rolling Wheels, which was paying top purses, and Twin Valley, which was closer to home for the Southern Tier crowd. I have to believe both these tracks weakened the crowd and field of cars at Morris in its final season.

Below are the results of Morris’ last ever weekly show which was held on September 15, 1972:
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 25, 2010, 02:24:31 PM: Also, in 1972, Midstate Speedway hosted the first ever Schaefer 100 Qualifying event (today known as the Super DIRT Series). The winner, Dick Hansen, was awarded a guaranteed starting spot in the new year-end Schaefer 100 at Syracuse.

The results for Midstate’s Schaefer Qualifier are down below:
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Post by: no74falcon on December 26, 2010, 12:52:07 PM: Quote from: bcross on December 16, 2010, 12:50:11 PM
The Trinkaus 62 is definitely not Lee Millington. Lee was a tall/skinny guy. Don Wayman sounds like a good bet. As a kid growing up at Fonda, I used to love watching Lee drive my dad/uncles 47. I think Lee also drove a number 108. He later drove Frank's 62, but had a terrible crash at Syracuse.

At first I thought that pic of the 62 was at Fonda, but having spent alot of time in the stands at Fonda, they did not have full seating down to the fence. There were long stairways upto the big old style fairgrounds covered grandstand. Does anyone else recognize the track in the pic?

Brent, Haven't had time to get my "FONDA" book out but I did get the Fonda dvd for Christmas and just sat down to watch it. Fonda did have seats down below the covered grandstands early on.
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Post by: 24KC on December 26, 2010, 07:35:22 PM: Here is a few I just re-found. I think they are all from the Southern Tier 100 won by Sammy Beavers in November. All photos by Rich Rea.
Billy O leads Chuck Ciprich.
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Post by: 24KC on December 26, 2010, 07:47:12 PM: Next Don Beagell leads Billy O.
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Post by: 24KC on December 26, 2010, 07:49:12 PM: Gordy Isham spins and is barely missed by Bobby Keesler
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Post by: 24KC on December 26, 2010, 07:50:54 PM: Gary Beagell gets some airtime over Johnny McArdell
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Post by: 24KC on December 26, 2010, 07:58:59 PM: Chuck Ciprich battles with Goober Scheidel
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 27, 2010, 07:17:12 PM: I had to share this...I had seen it before, but hadn't snagged it, so when I saw it again I didn't blink....my new favorite racing picture of all time.....
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:23:02 PM: Here are a few of the 24KC. First one in Victory Lane @ Penn Can. Check out the firesuit and fuel cell. Fred Smith photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:24:49 PM: Al posing by the car I believe 1969. Photo by Furgeson.
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:27:41 PM: The Figure 8 car @ Five Mile, check out the crowd. Photographer unknown.
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:29:33 PM: On the trailer @ Cole's Mobil corner of Conklin Ave and The Arena ( where Nando's Pizza is now). Family photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:32:14 PM: Al, Nick , and Bucky Vaught in the pits @ Twin Valley. Fred Smith photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:35:02 PM: This is one of my favorite photos. Nick ( my father) and Al ( Joe's father) pose by the car purchased fron Ronnie Williams. Family photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:41:00 PM: Nick, Al and, me at the garage I still race out of. Family Photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:42:59 PM: Pete Hulbert drove the 24KC while he was building his Mustang.
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 07:48:20 PM: A few of Dave Kneisel. The Coupe with wing. Fred Smith photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 07:52:02 PM: No wing. Fred Smith again.
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 07:53:11 PM: In the Holland 280, on the pavement.
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 07:55:03 PM: Corvair must be around 1969. Fred Smith photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 07:56:32 PM: The Indian Head Coupe. Fred Smith photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 07:58:39 PM: The Sedan with Drag Rubber. Russ Mills ( I think)
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 08:01:08 PM: The Pacer 5 Mile backstretch June of 79 ( this photo is signed on the back) Russ Mills photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 08:02:38 PM: Dave and Andy with the Pacer. Russ Mills photo
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 08:04:09 PM: Dave and Andy a few years later.
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 08:07:28 PM: July of 82. DaveLukowski photo.
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Post by: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 08:09:11 PM: Real old one from Penn-Can. photo from Steve Post collection.
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Post by: ole bones on December 28, 2010, 08:26:52 PM: Sure do miss Ole Bones, He was noted for having some of the most beautiful cars, love the pacer, my dad purchased the pacer from Dave, that car was a masterpiece. His dog Andy was as special as his cars
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 29, 2010, 09:52:31 PM: I found a great site yesterday and started poking around today..lots of stuff from central PA. You'll need to register to browse the pictures but rest assured it is well worth it!!!!
http://jimmiesoldtimeracing.mywowbb.com/

Have Fun!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 09:19:41 AM: Here's one of Old Bones racing brother Darrell Welty. Both cars sporting primer, I know Darrell had been upside down earlier in the season, not sure about Dave's situation. Daves cars were always immaculate and cool to look at. The indian Head coupe was probably my favorite. Russ Mills shot from the Weedsport program.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 30, 2010, 10:00:18 AM: Quote from: 24KC on December 28, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
Here are a few of the 24KC. First one in Victory Lane @ Penn Can. Check out the firesuit and fuel cell. Fred Smith photo
Those are some GREAT photos you have there, KC. Thanks for posting them. Here are some Gater News clippings from my collection for you and Joe...

The first photo down below is from Five Mile Point 1970: The #45 is Brent Cobb, #24 Al Cole and the #37 is Gordie Isham.

The second photo is from Penn Can 1970: I don't know who the #323 is, #30 might be Ray Bunzey, #37 Gordie Isham and #24 Al Cole.

The third photo is from Penn Can 1971: #12 Red Graff, #24 Al Cole, #Z27 Roger Beagell, #41 Buzz Barton and #88 Larry Catlin.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 30, 2010, 10:03:59 AM: ...and here are a couple from 5 Mile Point in 1973
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:25:51 PM: Here's another Five Mile Point shot with Darrell, me and Dave K. I believe the 28 is Pete Hurlbet? Maybe I'm wrong ....you guy's will know! Cut from the Five Mile Point program.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:32:25 PM: I snapped this picture on the back straight at Syracuse in 1977. I believe it's Wally Burnett. If anyone knows for sure or has history on the car let us know. Photo by Welty. Looks like the Gremlin Cagle used to have before he bought the Whip Muligan car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:36:35 PM: Here's another one I took near the end of the back straight in 1977. Ken Brenn in his Grant King car. Those cars and the Harraka built copies were some of the coolest looking Gremlin's in my opinion!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:46:31 PM: The Leto Bros #50 coming back cradled. I shot this from the same spot at Syracuse in 1977. Not sure who was driving for them at the time but it could have been Mike Grbac. If you ever get the chance to meet Mike's son, Chris Grbac, he's a heck of a nice guy and a good racer! He must have been an infant or maybe not even born yet when his Dad was killed in the Daniel Boone 200 at Reading Pa. We were there that Day with Darrell's Kneisel High rail but didn't make it into the feature. I always liked Mike's style and was pretty stunned when I saw his car and heard the horrible news.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:48:32 PM: Actually it looks like it says Parnelli Jones on the door of the Leto #50 but that must be a joke...I think I'd remember if Parnelli was racing!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:53:27 PM: In 1977 the Champ Cars were on the Mile the same weekend as Super Dirt so perhaps there was an outside chance that Parnelli was there but I thought he'd quit driving by then. Here's a champ car I shot in the pits that day.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:56:24 PM: And here's another one. Somewhere I have a pic I took of Grant King himself pushing Sleepy Tripp to the line in one of his cars. Somebody will have to help us with the identities of this two Champ Cars. Photos by Welty.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 31, 2010, 11:25:20 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2010, 10:56:24 PM
And here's another one. Somewhere I have a pic I took of Grant King himself pushing Sleepy Tripp to the line in one of his cars. Somebody will have to help us with the identities of this two Champ Cars. Photos by Welty.
Dale, Is it possible that your Syracuse photos, which are great btw, might be from ’76 and not ’77? The #12 Champ Car is the Longhorn Racing Team ride owned by Bobby Hillin Sr. Jan Opperman drove it in ’76 but was severely injured at the Indy Fairgrounds in Sept. Al Unser Sr drove the #12 at Syracuse in Oct. Unser wasn't fast enough to make the field at Syracuse in '76 and never raced on dirt again. That could very well be Unser with his helmet on there in your picture.

The #57 Champ Car is the Louie Senter machine which was driven by Jim Hurtubise at Syracuse in ’76. In fact, that does looks like Herk behind the car on the left.
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Post by: batz motorsports 27 on December 31, 2010, 12:53:24 PM: claychamp the 5mile pic looks 2b don slack #23
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 01, 2011, 12:11:37 PM: Jay thanks for the info. I think you're probably correct about the year. That Definately looks like HERK at the back of the car! I was scanning these old slides and some of the ones with family pics on them were dated 77 but probably the end of the same roll as Syracuse would have been my last race in 76 and Christmas the next opportunity to shot pics hence the 1977 process date. I'm a big Herk fan so it's hard to believe I forgot that. Here I am meeting THE MAN called Hercules at Langhorne as a kid! pic by Norm Welty. It's 1970 at the National Open.I'm with my Mom and her good friend Ruth Henry.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 01, 2011, 12:13:39 PM: Here's another from the same time of just me and his ride which I believe is the Gil Bruss number 2 that gary Ilug later ran on the dirt. I think I remember it at Weedsport a number of times.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 01, 2011, 12:15:03 PM: Yup Batz thats Don Slack! See what happens when you're memory starts to go! ......Just remember to turn left!!
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Post by: tcjet8 on January 01, 2011, 03:09:55 PM: Hi I do not post on here hardly at all. I just want to say I really appreciate the old pictures that are provided. I grew up at Shangri-la on Saturday nights. I was lucky enough to go to a lot of show's with
my older brother. I remember one of my favorite looking cars was a driver by the last name of DeForest chalker. I think this was his name I was a long time ago and I was around 10 or 11 years old. I think it was # 1 car. Anyway looking at the old pictures brings back a lot of memories. I remember one night when Wes Moody and Guy Chartrand were side by side for 20 laps right up to the photo finish. Moody won. Man I like you guy's have seen some Great Racing through out the years. I just wanted to say thank You for this Site..
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2011, 02:05:24 AM: Here's one I snapped of Jean Guy Chartrand's ride at the Langhorne open in 1971 in the Hemi Cuda #69. I'll try to find one of Wes Moody as I'm pretty sure I took one of him once. We bought one of Wes Moody's B&M Motors at Syracuse when ours blew up. It was around 1975 or 76 and It was a 454. I believe we won back the money we paid for it in like three or four races as it was waaay better than our home built mootrs at the time!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2011, 02:10:50 AM: hERE'S ONE i SNAPPED AT sYRACUSE IN 1974 ON THE MAIN STRAIGHT JUST PAST THE PIT-IN GAP. Buzzie races head to head with Johnny Botz as they pass Roy Schenk. Sorry it's blurry but it was a long shot for a mid fifties box camera!
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Post by: 24KC on January 02, 2011, 07:51:07 PM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on December 30, 2010, 10:00:18 AM
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Here are a few of the 24KC. First one in Victory Lane @ Penn Can. Check out the firesuit and fuel cell. Fred Smith photo
Those are some GREAT photos you have there, KC. Thanks for posting them. Here are some Gater News clippings from my collection for you and Joe...

The first photo down below is from Five Mile Point 1970: The #45 is Brent Cobb, #24 Al Cole and the #37 is Gordie Isham.

The second photo is from Penn Can 1970: I don't know who the #323 is, #30 might be Ray Bunzey, #37 Gordie Isham and #24 Al Cole.

The third photo is from Penn Can 1971: #12 Red Graff, #24 Al Cole, #Z27 Roger Beagell, #41 Buzz Barton and #88 Larry Catlin.
Thanks for those Jay. I really dont have a lot of photos of the car. There are a couple in particular that I want to find and share.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on January 03, 2011, 08:10:34 AM: Hey Dale!
Is that a can of Genny beer that Herk's holding in the pic you posted on Jan. 1st? A little fortification before the race maybe?
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Post by: MOD27NY on January 03, 2011, 09:18:46 AM: Believe me... HERK didn't need a can of Genny for that. The man had testicles the size of basketballs.
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Post by: dtveteran on January 03, 2011, 04:35:10 PM: The driver of the Leto 50 @Syracuse was Ed "Parnelli" Jones. He was a young driver that ran Lebanon Valley in upstate N.Y. Relocated to Myrtle beach area in South Carolina.
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Post by: MOD27NY on January 03, 2011, 05:05:16 PM: Some great You Tube vids I found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5wgjbgG9c0
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Post by: tcjet8 on January 03, 2011, 06:43:27 PM: I remember one Sunday afternoon at Shangri-la I think it was a Sunday, Frank Chapman flipped about half the lenght of the backstretch and ended up out of the ballpark down by this big oak tree behind turn 3 . People used to climb up that big tree and watch the races from out behind turn 3. Man that was a bad one . I think he walked away from it. Anyone remember that one ?
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 04, 2011, 12:20:55 PM: Wes Moody 1970 Langhorne
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 04, 2011, 12:32:57 PM: Dick Tobias - Syracuse - 1974
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Post by: bcross on January 04, 2011, 01:24:31 PM: Sorry to back up a few pics, but Dale's pic of the #12 Champ car at Syracuse has a guy with a helmet on. I was not there that day, but the helmet looks like the famous paint scheme that Mario Andretti always used. I don't even know if Mario was entered in the race, but it would make sense if all of the other USAC guys were there.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 04, 2011, 06:09:35 PM: Just to answer some questions. Yes that is a beer in Herks hand but it's after the race! If you look close you can see it's his deformed burned hand from his bad accident. He said he had it shaped to fit the steering wheel but you could push a beer can in very tightly....he didn't have to squeese it to hold it! In the Champ car pic I can't believe Mario would have driven the LONGHORN car. By that time I believe he was driving the Vels-Parnelli double over-head cammer cars. I can't remember who his teamates were but there were three cars in the stable. Here's a photo I shot of Tobias at Syracuse coming onto pit lane. I think it's 1974. I had written on the back that it's Paul Lotier who I think was toby's Son in Law so I'm not sure which one is driving..
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 05, 2011, 03:35:37 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on January 04, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
In the Champ car pic I can't believe Mario would have driven the LONGHORN car. By that time I believe he was driving the Vels-Parnelli double over-head cammer cars. I can't remember who his teamates were but there were three cars in the stable. Here's a photo I shot of Tobias at Syracuse coming onto pit lane. I think it's 1974. I had written on the back that it's Paul Lotier who I think was toby's Son in Law so I'm not sure which one is driving..
Mario Andretti was teammates with…(wait for it)…Al Unser Sr. on the Vels-Parenlli team for four seasons (’72-’75). While on that team, both drivers were sponsored by Viceroy Cigarettes and had matching white helmets with red stripes down the center.

Vels-Parnelli abandoned the USAC dirt car side of their operation after the 1974 season. Mario stopped racing on dirt right after that.

I gotta believe that's Al Unser in your pic standing next to the Longhorn dirt car. It's possible that he could have brought along his old Viceroy helmet for running on dirt. However, I was incorrect with my previous post about Syracuse being Al Unser’s last attempt at racing on dirt. He did drive in one more dirt car race after that which was DuQuoin, Illinois the following year, 1977. Unser would later go on and race Indy cars for Bobby Hillin and Longhorn Racing beginning in 1980.

Re: the Modified #1K, I believe the driver was Jim Keppley.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 05, 2011, 04:27:22 PM: Quote from: tcjet8 on January 03, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
I remember one Sunday afternoon at Shangri-la I think it was a Sunday, Frank Chapman flipped about half the lenght of the backstretch and ended up out of the ballpark down by this big oak tree behind turn 3 . People used to climb up that big tree and watch the races from out behind turn 3. Man that was a bad one . I think he walked away from it. Anyone remember that one ?
I don't remember that one. It could have been before my time. I did find a few other famous...or "infamous" ...Shangri-la "exits". The first one is the very first wreck I can ever remember: Chuck Frisbee out of turn one in 1969...
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 05, 2011, 04:28:52 PM: Here's one of Gordie Isham after he took it out of the ballpark at Shangri-la in 1969...
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 05, 2011, 04:43:23 PM: And a night at Shangri-la I still remember was in 1975 when three cars went over the wall in turn one in two seperate incidents: Larry Edwards and Bob Lurcock, and Graeme Bolia.

There were double features that night. Richie Evans won the make-up feature and George Kent won the nightcap. One of the features was a Trenton Qualifier and Dutch Hoag was awarded the spot for Trenton. He was driving a car spray painted with a "?" . Also, streaking was popular in 1975 and in between the features, Shangri-la's first ever streaker was spotted running down the backstretch, climbed the dirt bank in turn two and disappeared into the night.

Here's the end result of the Edwards #5/Lurcock #123 crash....
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 05, 2011, 04:45:16 PM: And on the very same night, Graeme Bolia got together with Tommy Gush and took out it out of the ballbark in the exact same spot...
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Post by: 24KC on January 05, 2011, 09:07:40 PM: Here is a photo of the first Cole 24. This is the same Plymouth Coupe body that is in all the previous photos. My uncle Al and a very young Welly Locke started with this car. Somehow my father Nick became involved, and then car owner. Now almost 50 years later my cousin Joe and I both field a 24 at 5 Mile Point.
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Post by: 24KC on January 05, 2011, 09:16:24 PM: Al and Nick fielded a figure 8 car for a couple of years at 5 Mile. This looks like a very early picture of the first car. This car was purchased for $20 a rollcage put in and off to the races. The features were figure 8 but the heats were on the oval. This car was unbeaten on the oval.
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Post by: 24KC on January 05, 2011, 09:20:45 PM: Later in the year. A little more battle scars. Look closely at the hood. The exhaust manifolds were cut and turned so they exited through the top of the hood. The sole purpose of doing this was to launch Black Label cans skyward when the car was started.
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Post by: 24KC on January 05, 2011, 09:22:30 PM: The second figure 8 car.
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Post by: 24KC on January 05, 2011, 09:25:04 PM: The modified that was purchased from Ronnie Williams before it was re-painted and re-lettered.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 05, 2011, 10:14:00 PM: Hi KC....Man that #27 looks really low for that era. Must have been ahead of it's time! Great pics!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 05, 2011, 10:35:41 PM: This is a five mile point photo by Russ Mills of my Cousin Jim King with his Vega bodied #0x. He never drove much and later in the year had a number of guys try the car out. Geoff Bodine drove it in a heat I was in at Canadaguia. John Podolak drove it quite a few times at Weedsport. I believe this was around 1976. It was the former Kneisel built #26 car that Frank Mears had so much success in at Five Mile. Frank Mears was driving it for my cousin at Rolling Wheels for a Syracuse qualifier and went for a horrible end over end ride at the end of the front stretch! The cage was bent down and Frank got a few compression fractured vertibrae from it. This was the same wreck that caused about a 12 car pile up that resulted in a raging alcohol fire which badly burned Jackie Wilson in the #16. I don't believe Jackie or Frank ever really ran well again after that crash. This photo is of the car after it was repaired from that crash. Cousin Jim later ran Dave Kneisel's parts truck business and sold the car to Skip Neuman who put a coupe body on it and had Billy Schroth drive it. I drove it a couple times when Billy wasn't available when I was first starting out. I was one spot out of qualifying in the Consi for the Southern Tier 100 the second time I was in it. After that a guy named Dale Reynolds bought it and I drove it at Rolling Wheels once for him. After that I guess it eventually went to the scrap pile. It was a narrow cramped little cockpit on a scout frame with a ton of engine set-back. Kneisel and Norm Norton both had ones that were almost identical.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 05, 2011, 10:37:32 PM: Here's the same car after Neuman put the coupe body on it. This was taken the day I drove the car at Five Mile in the Southern Tier 100. Photo by me.
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Post by: vintage44 on January 06, 2011, 08:45:36 AM: That #27 reminds me of a car that had a rattlesnake painted on the trunk lid at 5 Mile. Anyone remember that one? The exhaust really did "rattle" when he let off going into the turns.
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Post by: thedoebes on January 06, 2011, 10:58:47 AM: Yea,I remember the rattlesnake on the back of the car.

Notice the Tony Manleys Mobile on Alan Coles#24.I remember when Tony built his new gas station on the corner of route 11 and 12 and it changed from Mobile to Atlantic.It was opened 24 hrs. and my cousin Eddie worked the graveyard shift.Sometimes I use to hang out with him all night.That was in 1969,and that is also how I got to meet Alan.He worked days and came in when Eddie was getting done.I remember when Tony decided to quit drinking.It really paid off.He went from one gas station to a fleet of Manley's Mighty Marts.
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Post by: tcjet8 on January 06, 2011, 06:58:02 PM: Man Those pictures of the shangri-la wipe outs bring back memories. Man 1975 I was fifteen. I lived at that track on Saturday Nights. One track I wish I went to was Lancaster. Believe it or not I never saw a race at that track . I have heard so many great things about it. You guy's should check out 07 racing collectibles web site. I know the owner and each spring he has this antique race car dispay going on at his shop.
Tom Schwartz is the owner. He was a former track champ at Tioga Speedway. Some of the actual racecars that are in the parking lot are fantastic. It is a small jewel for a Saturday in the Sring time that back a lot of big memories.
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Post by: vintage44 on January 07, 2011, 08:32:48 AM: Ron, good to hear from you again. I miss running my antique #44 at 5 Mile and waving to you on the backstretch - got old, grandchildren came, yada, yada. I still see a couple of shows at the trakc each year and now you've got yourself a nice flaggers stand, eh? Coming up in the world! Maybe see you next year. Gary Wood
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 08, 2011, 06:35:43 PM: Chuck Green (Reese Green's son) lent me some really cool old photos. I'll get them on here and on "Southern Tier".
First one is Bill Wimble @ Shangri-La (Fred Smith photo) Chuck Green collection
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 08, 2011, 06:38:19 PM: Will Cagle @ Shangri-La? (Fred Smith photo) Chuck Green collection
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Post by: greyhairedracer on January 08, 2011, 08:58:04 PM: Shot of the McClure 15 after Graeme Bolia took another trip off the 1st turn at Shangri La--
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on January 08, 2011, 09:48:12 PM: Bob... I don't think that's Will Cagle. Looks too tall and slender if you ask me.
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Post by: rsk1139 on January 08, 2011, 10:34:39 PM: Looks like Don Mactavish in the #24.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 09, 2011, 10:26:55 AM: I was questioning that myself...I didn't think it looked like the "wiley one"....more pics
This next batch is from Chuck when he was running a sprinter down in PA...
Chuck Green with his wife Audra and his children Charlie and Heather posing proudly with the new sprint car.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 09, 2011, 10:27:29 AM: oops...here's the pic
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 09, 2011, 10:30:55 AM: Chuck Green's car after a wild ride @ Selings Grove..Circa 1996. (Action Racing photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 09, 2011, 10:36:03 AM: The car that Chuck purchased.... Jerry Chambers w/ a friend
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Post by: gymboney on January 09, 2011, 02:05:31 PM: Quote from: Michael Bonesky on October 05, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
The 32 is Dave Leckonby. Is the 44s Dave Sundgren?

Other photo Marvelous Merv 58,maybe Dave Kniesel in the forground of the same photo.
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Post by: gymboney on January 09, 2011, 02:10:04 PM: the yellow car rolling over is Ron Duplantis and the white car that is sideways is Lynn Hough in the 117 which is the original show car that Billy Taylor and Geoff Bodine ran against the bat mobile at the mile
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Post by: ole bones on January 09, 2011, 03:24:04 PM: 44s is Dick sundgren, He was a 5 mile regular
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 09, 2011, 03:53:34 PM: ESS/URC race...Chuck wasn't sure where this was at, but the car in the lead is Jeff "Spiderman" Thomas. Chuck Green collection
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 09, 2011, 03:57:20 PM: Another one where Chuck wasn't sure it had been taken... he was guessing it was at Selingsgrove perhaps. Chuck Green collection
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2011, 11:14:17 PM: That #24 is definately Don Mactavish and not Cagle. Don was an outstanding driver who was on his way to the big time when he was killed at Daytona in a Horrific crash in either the Permatex sportsman race or one of the Twin Qualifing races for the "cup" race, I can't remember which. His car impacted the cross-over gate much the way Michael Waltrip did at Bristol only at probably around 190 MPH. My Mom & Dad were sitting where what was left of the car came to rest. Glad I wasn't along for that trip to the Big "D".
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2011, 11:22:58 PM: Here's a Happier day. Tom Cundy and Herbie Green get their Championship trophies! This appeared in the Elmira Star Gazette when they actually covered some of the local racing and put...can you believe it!...photos of the drivers in!... and mentioned more than the same three drivers who pretty much all race on asphalt or drive sports cars.
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Post by: greyhairedracer on January 09, 2011, 11:29:48 PM: Had posted these several years ago on the old Race New York Oldies thread----thought I would add them to this Oldies thread
From Chemung Speedrome ---1966--maybe '67 --- they were still running the "BUGS" as modifieds---feature line up shows Cliff Pierce on the pole with Brian Osgood's 09 outside pole. Cal Lane in the 220 and I think Dick Reagan in the 2A starting 4th --
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Post by: greyhairedracer on January 09, 2011, 11:34:39 PM: The "Modern" Feature line up had Geoff bodine in the 99 on the pole with Pat Judson in the B-13 outside pole and Ike Edminsterin the 96 behind Judson. Chemung Speedrome---1966 or '67
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 11, 2011, 10:24:57 PM: Here's a clipping from the old Dirt trackin' magazine program...AKA Weedsport/rolling wheels program. which features my Old Racing Boss Chuck Kennison in the 9x next to Alan Johnson 14J leading the pack at Weedsport. How many can you name. Russ Mills photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 11, 2011, 10:38:48 PM: Here's one I took at Syracuse around 1971 or 72. The #58 is Merv Treichler but can't tell who the yellow car behind him is although it looks like maybe the Brenn owned #24 which was probably driven by Stan Poloski at the time. Merv's car looks to be the same one that he won Langhorne with...at least the body looks the same. Does anyone know if this is correct? photo by Welty
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 11, 2011, 10:42:59 PM: Does anyone know this slightly strange Coach #3A. I shot this at Syracuse either 1971 or 72. DALE
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 12, 2011, 04:21:10 PM: Another Merv Triechler shot on the dirt...this on at Seneca Raceway aka Watrerloo
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Post by: gymboney on January 14, 2011, 06:26:23 PM: thats jan oukes in the 16 outside walt mitchel
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 14, 2011, 10:11:46 PM: We had a discussion the other night but couldn't remember what year tube frames were O.K.'d to race in central NY but here's the pic from the front page of the gator racing news. Does anyone know the year?
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 14, 2011, 11:06:48 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on January 14, 2011, 10:11:46 PM
We had a discussion the other night but couldn't remember what year tube frames were O.K.'d to race in central NY but here's the pic from the front page of the gator racing news. Does anyone know the year?

1972
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 15, 2011, 02:09:30 PM: A few Shangri-la pics from 1975 featuring Tommy Gush in the ex-Osgood 09 for #99 Vintage Racer. The first is #38 Jerry Cook, #55 Gush and the #? is Dutch Hoag
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 15, 2011, 02:11:01 PM: Heat race win in 1975...
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 15, 2011, 02:13:06 PM: Gush #55 and #14 Chuck Kerfein
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 17, 2011, 05:40:00 PM: More of Bryan Osgood's 09 from the '72 and '73 seasons. All three are Gater News photos....

Photo 1 is Osgood preperaing the car for the 1972 season.
Photo 2 was taken at Fulton in 1972: #99 Geoff Bodine, #34 Dave Nichols, #09 Bryan Osgood
Photo 3 was taken at Shangri-la in 1973: #006 Maynard Forrette, #09 Bryan Osgood.
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Post by: Frasson118 on January 18, 2011, 04:16:53 AM: From the "how many can you name" photo:

14 Alan Johnson
9x Chuck Kennison
33 Frank Heeman
97A Andy Romano
643 Ray Dalmata
44B Dave Lape
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 19, 2011, 08:42:57 PM: Ford Easton shared some great photos with me and I asked if it would be okay to share with you guys....
I'll post a few on the "Southern Tier" thread that are relevant. The rest I'll put here....Ford wanted me to mention that several of these came from Lou Ensworth...
First one is Bill Boyd out of Pontiac, Mich.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 19, 2011, 08:45:49 PM: Bill Wolfheil out of Detroit
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 19, 2011, 08:49:20 PM: Al Plackey in the Carter Offy
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Post by: rannyville_concrete_eater on January 21, 2011, 09:48:19 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on January 11, 2011, 10:38:48 PM
Here's one I took at Syracuse around 1971 or 72. The #58 is Merv Treichler but can't tell who the yellow car behind him is although it looks like maybe the Brenn owned #24 which was probably driven by Stan Poloski at the time. Merv's car looks to be the same one that he won Langhorne with...at least the body looks the same. Does anyone know if this is correct? photo by Welty

This car was not the Langhorne winner. This was a Gil Bruss owned coupe previously driven by Billy Rafter, Ed Ortiz, Jim Hurtubise, Gary Iulg & others. Here is the Langhorne winner. John Bisci collection I believe.
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Post by: RJPEV1 on January 21, 2011, 07:45:38 PM: it is very nice to read about my family on here. nettie ellis was mu aunt and ethel bennett and betty lou stable are cousins. ethel is still arround i am told.
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Post by: orange16 on January 21, 2011, 11:12:11 PM: It brings back fond memories (and depresses me) every time that I see one of those old action shots from the pavement days at Fulton. Great racing every week. I miss the place.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2011, 07:08:30 PM: more midgets from Ford Easton.....
Ralph Pratt
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2011, 07:10:41 PM: Dutch Shaffer
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 31, 2011, 05:41:29 PM: The last of the Ford Easton midget pictures....
Joie Chitwood (That's right...That Joie Chitwood)
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 31, 2011, 05:46:56 PM: From a Buffalo Civic Stadium program...Bill Shindler
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on February 01, 2011, 08:24:53 AM: /\ /\ Joie Chitwood WOW ! ~ he run the wheels offa a lotta stuff ;D never knew he raced 1 of those...SWEET ~ DANG Them cars look DANGEROUSLY SCARRY...used to have the Chitwood show here @ our fairgrounds yrs back never missed it...still got a bunch'a stuff they signed for me back then
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 01, 2011, 12:01:20 PM: I believe Joie Chitwood even had several starts in the Indy 500. Somewhere along the way he figured out there was a lot easier way to make money than getting killed in a Champ car!!!
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on February 02, 2011, 09:14:35 AM: they used to run cars like that on a track in which the racing surface was made of wood planking ~ i recall hearing that but i lack any other info about it...& wasnt drivers getting killed in them open cockpits ~ dang i wonder what the mortality rate was racing cars like that ~ them Wheelmen of old had some BIG BRASS 1's i tell ya...just unbelievable what this sport we LOVE so much evolved from ~ BLOWS MY MIND ;D
THANKS to ALL of you ! what a awesome journey through the History of our Sport...
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Post by: oldguy on February 02, 2011, 01:51:21 PM: You should have heard them scream when seat belts and roll bars were manditory.
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 02, 2011, 07:04:38 PM: Some more pictures from various web-sites...
Bodine and Evens @ New Smyrna
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 02, 2011, 07:07:30 PM: Dutch Hoag (1971)...I'm thinking that this is from the Bisci collection and a Renig photo from Lancaster
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 02, 2011, 07:10:10 PM: Bill Strosahl (1966) @ Shangri-La (Fred Smith photo)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 04, 2011, 11:32:19 PM: Is that car of Strosal's one of McClures cars? I assume it is since it's nuber 15 but no other obvious identifiers.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 04, 2011, 11:36:05 PM: Here's one I took at Langhorne. I think it was 1970 after the race. I didn't write who it was but I think Ray Sitterly used to run a c-88. Can anyone confirm if this is right or wrong?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 04, 2011, 11:39:34 PM: I shot this one on the infield at Langhorne in 1971. It's the McClure #15. I assume it would have been piloted by Greame Bolia at the time.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on February 05, 2011, 08:51:39 PM: Hey!!! Great forum!!!! I'm new to the group. I spent almost the entire 70s at Weedsport Speedway, as a kid. I noticed that the Welty's post here. So here's my first post.

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Post by: no74falcon on February 06, 2011, 06:30:57 AM: Nice stuff Bigfeet! It is an honor to have the Weltys here with us. Thank you for the post.
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Post by: thedoebes on February 07, 2011, 10:46:18 AM: Yea, that is Bill Stroshal in theMcClures #15 and Greame Bolia at Langhornein 1971.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on February 10, 2011, 02:20:42 PM: My dad recorded this in 1975 off of some Oswego radio station. It was off a reel to reel and the quality isn't great. I fixed it as much as I could.

The voice of CNY Racing!!!!!

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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 13, 2011, 01:28:17 AM: Welcome BIG FEET 13. Thanks for the memories of my brother. Here's a pic I snapped as Darrell went out on the track at Syracuse in 1974. This is the Kneisel high-rail car and he qualified for the big show. DALE
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Post by: BigFeet13 on February 14, 2011, 08:14:40 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on February 13, 2011, 01:28:17 AM
Welcome BIG FEET 13. Thanks for the memories of my brother. Here's a pic I snapped as Darrell went out on the track at Syracuse in 1974. This is the Kneisel high-rail car and he qualified for the big show. DALE

Thank you!!! Weedsport Speedway was pretty much my whole childhood. I was lucky. My dad worked all week, spent weeknights working on Mike Rizzo's supermodified, spent Saturdays in the pits at Oswego , and still took us to Weedsport almost every Sunday. As you can see, I have a vast collection of progams. If anyone needs a lookup or other info, just ask. It gives me an excuse to go through my old programs.

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Post by: bcross on February 23, 2011, 03:19:44 PM: Dale,

When I was a kid in the stands at Fonda, Ray Sitterly drove a C-88 car. So I think you are right on the Langhorne photo.

Brent
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 27, 2011, 08:19:04 AM: Wee Willie Allen @ Waterloo (no photog info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 27, 2011, 08:20:24 AM: Mike McLaughlin of Waterloo in the Potato Wagon (no photog. info)
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on February 27, 2011, 08:23:53 AM: ole Magic Shoes AWESOME ! ;D ....late 80's ? that car was a ROCKET whats the scoop on him he's still in racin right ? & is there any younger McLaughlin's in racing to be looking for ?
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 27, 2011, 08:28:10 AM: Chuck Ciprich @ Rolling Wheels in the Sandman coach if I'm not mistaken. (no photog info)
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Post by: vintage44 on March 02, 2011, 12:20:57 PM: Anyone know how to 'shrink' an image to the 75KB limit? I have a bunch of pics of our cars (Wood's Auto Wrecking) that ran at 5MP in the early '60s. I tried to post but they're too big. >:(
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Post by: bakes on March 02, 2011, 10:44:11 PM: Quote from: ModRoCmaniac on February 27, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
ole Magic Shoes AWESOME ! ;D ....late 80's ? that car was a ROCKET whats the scoop on him he's still in racin right ? & is there any younger McLaughlin's in racing to be looking for ?

1983 in Martisnsville. Last I heard Mike was doing some development driving for a cup or Grand National team down South, but that was a couple of years ago. Mike was always a class act on and off the track - just a really good guy and one helluva driver. The fact that he was able to hold off Jimmy Spencer at Oswego for the Bud Mod 200 when Jimmy had him sideways more often than not (you had to see what was left of the rear bumper on the Boehler 3 - I was a Spencer fan but even I thought that was over the top) was a testimony to his driving ability.
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Post by: leadfoot4 on March 03, 2011, 07:21:17 AM: Quote from: ModRoCmaniac on February 27, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
ole Magic Shoes AWESOME ! ;D ....late 80's ? that car was a ROCKET whats the scoop on him he's still in racin right ? & is there any younger McLaughlin's in racing to be looking for ?

I just received my new issue of 'Speedway Illustrated' magazine, and Mike is mentioned in Bones Bourcier's column in the front of the magazine.
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Post by: justmark on March 03, 2011, 09:46:49 AM: The picture was Mike McLaughlin's 1982 ride as the "Craz" part was semi-winding as shown. It was in a straight line in 1983.
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on March 04, 2011, 08:12:38 AM: /\ SWEET ! /\ & thanks for the updates ~ close lol i didnt get started till 1985...agree yes Mike was a "class act" & 1 heck ofa Wheelman Loaded w/skill sure miss the good ole daze...now i'll have to run out & grab that Speedway Illustrated issue gotta to hijack the daughters car anyway take a quick run down to the car show today or tomarrow....
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Post by: rsk1139 on March 10, 2011, 01:54:37 AM: Claychamp123 has the Justin Bieber hair cut on the program cover. ;D
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Post by: oldguy on March 10, 2011, 10:56:21 AM: RSK1139 - No, Claychamp123 had a helmet that was entirely too large. "Hat Hair" to the extreme... ;D
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 12, 2011, 10:42:57 AM: Yeah, I think that kid stole my haircut!!! I should get some royalyies or sponsorship or something! Speaking of Mike McLaughlin here's a very looonnnng shot I took at Syracuse one year. Sorry for the small size. Can't beleive I didn't take any other shots of this car as it was very interesting. Pic by Welty.
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 13, 2011, 10:12:41 AM: VINTAGE44...I bring the photo I want to post into "PAINT" on windows. It allows you to change the image size. On the tool bar is the word "image"..."resize" will pop up..it's just a matter of re-sizing so the picture is approx. 4x6 or so...hope that helps!
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Post by: MOD27NY on March 20, 2011, 08:59:00 AM: Local race fan and contributor here. He worked with my Dad at the Post Office and was a nice guy....
Brian J. Lavoie

Binghamton: age 46 of Binghamton, passed away suddenly Friday, March 18th, 2011 at his home. He was born in Malone, NY on June 28th, 1964 and grew up in Fulton, NY, where he graduated from G. Ray Bodley High School in 1982 and settled in Binghamton. In his younger years, he enjoyed the many auto races at Oswego Shangrala and Five Mile Point Speedway. He had worked in the Postal Service in Binghamton and Owego areas. He is survived by his son, Tristan, and his former wife, Tina Lavoie of Binghamton; his parents, Clem and Marilyn Lavoie of Fulton; brother, Clem Jr. and Jode Lavoie of Chateraugay NY and his sister, Lisa and Charles Howell of Binghamton; several nieces, nephews, cousins, aunts and uncles. Memorial services will be held at the J.A. McCormack Sons Funeral Home, 141 Main St., Binghamton, Saturday March 26th, 2011 at 1pm.
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Post by: justmark on March 20, 2011, 09:10:53 AM: I'm sorry to hear about Brian's passing. My thoughts are with his family and friends.
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 21, 2011, 07:01:19 PM: Dutch Hoag (7) and Dick Emerson (13) @ Lancaster 1971 (Gordon Reinig photo from John Bisci collection)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 21, 2011, 07:03:42 PM: George Kent @ New Smyrna in some fast company... (no info on photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 21, 2011, 07:06:39 PM: Sege Fidanza @ Shangri-La 1974 (Fred Smith photo)
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Post by: justmark on March 21, 2011, 07:41:54 PM: The George Kent at New Smyrna photo looks to be from around 1981 and probably has Maynard Troyer in the Soucy #17 and Anthony Ferraiuolo IV or Gary Balough in the #73: Jim Jones Photo
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Post by: MOD27NY on March 24, 2011, 07:57:51 AM: https://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2108945&id=1540536453&l=5526cbf197
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on March 24, 2011, 08:05:05 AM: http://www.lasheefs.com/Pages/mark3%20pages/marks26.html

Mark Southcott Photo Page...some really SWEET Pics 8)
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Post by: no74falcon on March 26, 2011, 07:19:36 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on March 21, 2011, 07:06:39 PM
Sege Fidanza @ Shangri-La 1974 (Fred Smith photo)
The Clarence Steak House #26 with Satch Worley behind and was Sonney Seamon in the #41 at this time?
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Post by: justmark on March 26, 2011, 11:52:39 AM: Satch Worley was driving the #26 and Sonney Seamon was in the Smales #41 in that Shangri-La picture with Sege Fidanza and his #77 ride which was actually taken in 1975.
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Post by: no74falcon on March 28, 2011, 07:36:02 PM: Was Sege's car still using a production chassis?
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Post by: justmark on March 29, 2011, 10:01:38 AM: 1983 Pocono Race of Champions with Gail Barber #01 and Jamie Tomaino #09 who finished second to winner Jimmy Spencer #24
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Post by: comy14 on April 01, 2011, 12:07:10 PM: Hi all, I just signed on, great site and topics. Here is a pic I had from 1981, this is the first Troyer car driven by Alan Johnson on opening night at Canandaigua speedway
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Post by: 112SMW on April 01, 2011, 03:40:24 PM: The first ''MUDD BUSS''
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Post by: comy14 on April 01, 2011, 06:08:37 PM: yep the first one, set track record and won the feature that night.
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Post by: oldguy on April 01, 2011, 10:16:49 PM: McCrearys on the front, Hoosiers on the back. No tire deal money then. No listed sponsors either.
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Post by: comy14 on April 01, 2011, 11:59:50 PM: The car hasn't been lettered because it came straight from Troyer's shop to the race track.
As far as the tires go back in those days you could pick from all sorts of compounds and different tire companies, McCreary, hoosier and goodyear which was still in the mix in those days.
Here is a pic of the car the next week all lettered.
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Post by: no74falcon on April 02, 2011, 08:02:50 AM: Welcome aboard Comy and thanks for the great photos!
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2011, 09:22:51 AM: Hear Hear...welcome comy14...AJ was (is) one of my favorites!!!! Keep 'em coming!
A couple of shots of Southern Tier guys @ Oswgo...
Geoff Bodine 1972 (B&D photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 02, 2011, 09:23:54 AM: Bryan Osgood 1972 (William Dudley)
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Post by: Gushfan55 on April 04, 2011, 05:41:00 PM: Quote from: 112SMW on June 01, 2010, 07:38:35 PM
The year was 1964 and that is Herbie Green in the 88.That is not Tom Gush in the 55.

Sorry but that was Tom Gush.....
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 05, 2011, 11:08:32 PM: Here's an L.O. Duncan photo from Chemung around 1971. Darrell Welty in the 57 plymouth loses his wheel and spins causing #40 Grant Frisbee to spin. Not sure who that is getting away! DALE
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 06, 2011, 04:12:23 AM: In reference to the Alan Johnson car at Canandaigua, not only is that the 1st Mudd Buss, but it also is the first race for that car. For those of us that were there, you remember being blown away when you saw that car come out for hot laps. The car was so advanced in appearance that it was like comparing the USS Enterprise against the Spirit of St. Louis. And when the night was over, you knew you had just witnessed history in the making. That car was so strong on it's maiden voyage, that it obliterated the field... made a complete mockery of seasoned vets. Alan lapped almost the entire field, and with that came the end of building backyard cars. The following day at Rolling Wheels, all the pit chatter was about nothing but this new car of Alans. There were numerous complaints about the roof design. Not many liked how wide it was. Almost as many griped about how flat it was. Others didn't like the pitch. And everyone complained about the air dam. If you look at the car again after it's lettered, you'll notice that the roof is flat, less pitched, and minus the air dam. An even closer look will show that the roof was moved back almost a foot to where the front edge of the roof now sat almost even with the front pillars of the rollcage.

Just a little bit of trivia for those of you who play that game... the car in that picture was Mudd Buss #1. Alan got his 2nd Troyer for the beginning of the 1982 season. That car was Mudd Buss #41.

comy14... Thank you for posting that picture. I've been looking for it to show up for several years to add to my collection of almost 70 different Alan Johnson cars. You made my day. :)
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Post by: kt on April 06, 2011, 08:59:26 AM: Adding to Bob's comments about the first Mudd Buss. On the first night at Canandaguia, Alan lapped the entire field with the exception of the second place car, Will Cagle. That was a 35 lap race.....This happened to be during the short time that I worked at Troyer Racecars. I can remember going out to a small bar afterwords for "a few". I believe it was called the Log Cabin. Ofcourse we ended up partying like rock stars. The car had run a little hot the first night and there was much work to be done. Ended up being an all nighter after closing the bar and then going back to Tico Conley's house to install a bigger radiator. Mike Hillman Sr. was the crew chief. We showed up at the "Wheels" the next day too late for practice. I can't remember if it was a heat race or the consi where we got wrecked on the first lap. Being a brand new car there were no spare parts. The welder cobbed a bunch of parts together for the car, borrowed a bunch of stuff, Alan took a provisional and started at the rear. Without a lap of practice, he won that race too.

On the technical side.......Gary Balough had shown up at Syracuse the fall before with the "Batmobile". Over the winter, DIRT answered with a bunch of new rules putting limits on, among other things, all the body dimensions. The first Mudd Buss was built to the letter of the rules. In hindsight, I am surprised there weren't more cars built like it. As far as being the end of the "backyard" cars, that had already occured. Howard Conkey of Show Car fame and Dick Tobias were already doing a great business at that time......It was Kenny Weld and Gary Balough who first brought aerodynamics into play at Syracuse the year before............kt
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on April 06, 2011, 10:33:24 AM: That's some great history right there, kt...thanks!
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Post by: comy14 on April 06, 2011, 11:32:41 AM: Half Fast Bob and kt, I was a 14 year old kid back in 81, helped on Alan,s race cars only at the tracks until I graduated high school and then I was able to help Alan more at the shop and through the 80,s and it was a good time during that span, so ya I was at both canandaigua and rolling wheels for those shows and you,re right about the heating problem, Mike Hillman and crew took the radiator out of the old car and installed it in the new troyer for the wheels show and as you can see in the pic here the rad was pretty tall for the car so the nose piece would not fit.

It was fun to watch Alan drive through the field that day.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 06, 2011, 01:13:45 PM: comy14 - refresh my memory. Where did AJ finish at the Wheels? I was there for the event and I remember the heat race jingle, but I don't remember the feature finish position. And there's a blast from the past... Mike "Goat" Hillman. Didn't Hillman work with Mike McLaughlin a bit with his Busch success in the Gould Pumps car?? Oh yeah, for tires back in those days, don't forget Will Cagle's favorite - the M&H Racemasters.

kt - The Kenny Weld Gremlins are still my absolute favorite of all the "store bought" cars. I always thought they were as much pieces of artwork as they were racecars. And you're right about Weld and Balough with Syracuse. Speaking for myself, I was naive in thinking that the Batmobile technology wasn't going to carry over into the Saturday Night cars as quick as it did.
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Post by: comy14 on April 06, 2011, 01:46:35 PM: Half Fast, Alan past Jack Johnson for the lead on lap 49 and won the race with Davey Moore 2nd and Jack Johnson 3rd. Had to look up the lap Al took the lead on as I can't remember everything as that was a while ago.

As far as Mike goes he was crew chief foa Al in 83 and after that he want to nascar and lost track of what he was doing.

The weld cars were a great car in there day, a little tidbit that I found out a while ago is that the troyer car in 81 was a copy of the weld cars of the late 70,s with up to date technology.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on April 06, 2011, 03:27:44 PM: Half fast Bob,
" The Kenny Weld Gremlins are still my absolute favorite of all the "store bought" cars. "

My favorites were the Grant King Gremlins, although the Weld cars were a close second. My brother and I have frequently lamented how modifieds are no longer unique beasts. Someone wrote (I think on 3 Wide) that in the late 60's and early 70's at most dirt tracks you could paint all the cars completely white and all the fans could still tell which car each of their favorite drivers was in. Try that today!

Darrell
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Post by: modcrew18 on April 06, 2011, 04:45:07 PM: Totally agree DW, used to look for Maynard Forrette at Syracuse because he always seemed to have 2 brand new King chassis cars, white and immaculate. Liked the Merv maroone on the mudd busses. I remember that night at Canandaigua like it was yesterday and yet it was 30 years ago.
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Post by: kt on April 06, 2011, 07:43:38 PM: comy14: Love the shot with the bungy cords holding the hood on......Tell me that don't look like a tractor.....lol...shoulda called em Mudd Tractors......(no disrespect to you mudders out there of course)

DW: Benny The Moth always told me that your favorite cars were the ones he worked on?
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 07, 2011, 12:00:07 AM: Quote
I remember that night at Canandaigua like it was yesterday and yet it was 30 years ago.

modcrew18...

2011 will be my 39th year of involvement as a fan and it all started at Canandaigua Speedway in the summer of '72 when I was 9 years old. The unveiling of the Mudd Buss was a special event, and I think that's the reason we all remember it so well. As I said earlier, after victory lane ceremonies were finished, you knew you had just watched history in the making. I remember gloating to my Dad on the way home about how bad Alan made everyone look, and several times he told me to STFU because he was a Will Cagle fan. He and I had this friendly (most of the time) feud going on because I was and still am an Alan Johnson fan. Then along came Bob McCreadie and Dad switched teams.

Darrell...

The Grant King cars were 2nd to the Weld cars for me. I really liked how the bodywork in the front of a Weld car resembled that of a champ car. I also liked how long the nose was on a Weld car. The King cars were a little more compact, making the body look a tad too big. But what the hell do I know? I hate sail panels too. :)

This has been an extremely interesting topic for me and what's cool about it is that there are 2 people here who were directly involved with it.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on April 07, 2011, 02:07:49 PM: Kt: I do have a fond spot in my memory for the John Fisher 98jr that Benny worked on. I think that's mostly because it was my first "ride". I didn't have to fix it when I f**ked up and there are owners I drove for that can more than substantiate that I did my share of that. For proof, see my avatar. When you see Benny say hi for me.

HFB: I have said for some time that I hate sail panels but now we are in our third year of running them on the car my brother Dale drives at Woodhull and I guess I'm getting used to them.
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Post by: comy14 on April 07, 2011, 02:32:32 PM: Here is a dirt trackin magazine cover I dug up.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 07, 2011, 05:17:27 PM: Danny's 2nd car - the Jim Cincerbeaux 0jr. I'm pretty sure Danny got his first win in this car. Danny's first car was an old beat up orange Pinto numbered 14jr that resembled Fred Brook's 14x.
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Post by: Mike DeLaney on April 07, 2011, 07:52:16 PM: I think this my favorite thread on the forum.

Half fast Bob, I think you gave me the name of the sponsors on Bob Houck's #99 Vega. Thank you.

I'm still looking for pictures that show the lettering for this car.
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Post by: oldguy on April 07, 2011, 07:55:26 PM: Guys - great discussion. Wasn't there a vega-bodied ride for Alan in that era?
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Post by: comy14 on April 07, 2011, 10:43:44 PM: Heres another dirt trackin magazine cover.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 08, 2011, 01:53:15 AM: Alan's first car was owned by Tom and Kim Ewing out of Victor, NY that had a Corvair body on it. He ran the car from 1973 through 1975 and copped his first win at Canandaigua on May 3rd of '75. In 1976, Alan drove his first of 3 Kenny Weld Gremlins - a white car. In 1977, he drove the pink and yellow one pictured above. In 1978 he drove a red and white one. 1979 was Alans first pairing with Tico Conley where he drove a car of his own design - copper and cream Gremlin. 1980 saw Alan paired up with Scott Stackus in a horrible looking car with a home made body and bright orange wheels. In 1981, Alan and Maynard teamed together. Their relationship continued through the end of 1983. In 1984, Alan moved over to Show Car with Howard Conkey in a relationship that lasted until atleast 1987. I've got pictures of each car up to this point and beyond. The problem is, none of the remaining 28 pictures have dates on them.

Anyone got a good picture of the black and gold Jim Beachy owned 24 sponsored by Mitsubishi? I'm also looking for the orange and white 358 car owned by Mike Maroney, any of the Howie Finch 25's and any of the other pickup rides over the years.
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Post by: comy14 on April 08, 2011, 07:41:57 AM: Here is a pic of the car Alan drove that Tico Conley owned in 1980 which was the first full year they were together.
In 1979 is where Alan drove the Scott Stackus car which Tico Conley bought and drove himself that year for a double header at Canandaigua one night. If memory serves me correct Alan had sum sort of leagle issues with Wembly Construction with the car and he had it taken away for that night. I heard that Will Cagle was involved in the matter and sided with Wembly so that Alan wouldn't have his car to race so Will could win the Canandaigua track championship that year. Now this is what I heard back then so I hope that somebody comes on and that might know the exact circumstances of that event but thats what I heard.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 08, 2011, 01:28:47 PM: I don't know the particulars leading up to the fiasco in the pits, but I do remember watching all I could see as it unfolded from the stands. Some people might say, "What could you see going on in the pits if you were in the stands?" Fact is, you could see a lot because everyone towed with open trailers in those days, and only the most elaborate teams used converted school busses for transporters. There weren't very many of those. And this was also a day when we had fewer divisions, but more cars in each. Pit stalls were a lot bigger in those days. This is why in a lot of cases, you'll see pit photos that have personal vehicles parked between tow rigs. Joe Marotta was the track announcer back then, and he's the one that told everyone in the stands to direct their attention to the pits.

The Wembley Construction car was a Weld Gremlin and was owned by Cliff Barcomb with Alan as the driver. The engines were built by B&M (initials for Bill and Milt - Bill was Billy Campbell and Milt was Milt Johnson, Alan and Danny's dad). And this is probably how Alan was able to secure the ride in the first place. Alan was relatively unknown at the time, but getting the job as a hired driver without a ton of credentials would have been impossible unless you had money in your pocket to contribute. Alan had no money, but he did have a Dad who was half owner of the engine shop that was building the most powerful and popular engines on the east coast in his pocket.

There was some kind of dispute in the team. If I had to guess, I'd probably say that it was due to the driver not getting what he was promised when it came time to split the pay envelope from the payoff window. That's just a guess, but it came to a head one night in the pits at Canandaigua. I know all 3 Johnsons were involved, Cliff Barcomb, Will Cagle and I believe Pep Pepicelli - who got the ride after Alan vacated it. A large fight started in the pits, the sheriffs were called, cars were impounded and everyone spent the night at the sheriffs office pleading their cases, trying to convince the cops why they shouldn't be arrested and should have rights to posession of the car. The only reason I can come up with for Will Cagle to be involved would be that he and Pepicelli were friends and Cagle didn't like Alan. I think Cagle was probably the instigator by trying to convince Barcomb to hire Pepicelli and get rid of Alan.

comy14... you sent me a picture via email taken at Weedsport with Alan on the bottom, Danny on top in the 0jr., and a white Weld Gremlin in the middle with Wembley Construction as the sponsor. That picture was taken within a week or two after the fiasco at Canandaigua, and the driver in the middle is Pep Pepicelli.

Awesome pictures by the way. Some I already had, and some were new. THANK YOU! Give me until Monday. I'm busier than a cat covering sh!t on a marbal floor this weekend, but I'll get back to you, I promise.
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Post by: comy14 on April 08, 2011, 03:19:05 PM: Half Fast Bob....the fiasco that took place was in 79 and Alan got the car back the next week and finished the rest of the 79 season. He went just one weekend without the car.
The colorful weld car Al drove in 79 was refered to as the circus wagon, I believe the guy who lettered the car(who I know very well) came up with the term circus wagon and it stuck.

The pic in which had Alan, Danny and pep pepicelli, the car pepicelli is driving is the weld car Alan drove in 78(red with white trim) before the circus wagon.

Bob did you get the picks of Alan's troyer cars, I will send more pics and I do have the black #24 mitsubishi car.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 08, 2011, 10:29:05 PM: Thank you for clearing some of that up. I have a fairly good memory, but sometimes things get fuzzy. I guess that's the price you pay for doing over 120 events per year for close to a decade. :)

I'll get the pictures I have uploaded to photobucket during the next week. With what I already had and what comy14 sent me, I'm close to 100. If I had to guess, I'd say there are about 40 different cars all said and done.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 10, 2011, 05:33:21 PM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on April 07, 2011, 05:17:27 PM
Danny's 2nd car - the Jim Cincerbeaux 0jr. I'm pretty sure Danny got his first win in this car. Danny's first car was an old beat up orange Pinto numbered 14jr that resembled Fred Brook's 14x.

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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 10, 2011, 11:13:46 PM: I know I've posted it before but here's a GATOR NEWS clipping showing Alan with his first ride the Tom Ewing owned Covair.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 10, 2011, 11:15:35 PM: Here's the same car with a new owner at Waterloo Speedway a few years later. I believe Bruce Roll was the driver. Photo by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 10, 2011, 11:17:21 PM: And here's Alan's Weld car with the hood off at Waterloo. Photo by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 10, 2011, 11:29:21 PM: Not sure but I think my family simultaneously came up with the term Circus Wagon to describe that paint scheme the first time we saw it. I actually kind of liked it since most of the cars of the day were solid or two-tone. I always felt the first Mud Buss was dimensionally nearly the same as TICO's reworked show-car but with a much better engineered and stiffer chassis. I remember when Alan showed up with TICO's car with the huge off-set in the rear-end. I had purchased my Malzahn designed car and it had four inches of off-set built into it and it was the first time I'd heard of building a dirt car with different length rear end tubes. Then Alan shows up with like 16 inches of off-set with the TICO Conley car and I couldn't believe it but man did that ugly thing fly!!!
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 11, 2011, 03:02:23 AM: Quote
Here's the same car with a new owner at Waterloo Speedway a few years later. I believe Bruce Roll was the driver. Photo by me.

Bruce Lord from Holcomb, NY - now known as Bloomfield, NY.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on April 11, 2011, 10:41:04 AM: Looking in the background of AJ’s Weld car pic at Waterloo, is that all they had for grandstand seating back then? I'm guessing there was probably more bleacher seating toward turn one? There doesn't seem to have been many seats there for a promoter to work with.
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Post by: oldguy on April 11, 2011, 10:51:23 AM: That was considered the "Clyde" grandstand. Most of the fans from Clyde seemed to sit there. Further down the straight was a small set of bleachers, then a covered grandstand. Seating at that time was about 1,500.
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Post by: Greg Birosh on April 11, 2011, 06:04:56 PM: Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started? Was it just something that a few people did? Did it hold any particular significance? Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track? Or was it just home-state pride? Any insight is appreciated.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on April 11, 2011, 09:39:45 PM: Quote from: Greg Birosh on April 11, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started? Was it just something that a few people did? Did it hold any particular significance? Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track? Or was it just home-state pride? Any insight is appreciated.
That's a good question. I always wondered that myself. It seems like the modifieds in the 60’s and 70’s that had those State abbreviations lettered on their cars ran at NASCAR tracks: Fonda, Malta, U-R, Stafford, Norwood, Riverside Park, Thompson, Islip. I think NASCAR had separate State championship point standings in addition to their National Championships at one time. I wonder if it had something to do with that?
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Post by: 24KC on April 13, 2011, 10:30:58 PM: Quote from: Greg Birosh on April 11, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started? Was it just something that a few people did? Did it hold any particular significance? Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track? Or was it just home-state pride? Any insight is appreciated.
Could it have been because of NASCAR's no duplicate numbers. At least that way there was 100 numbers available to a state.
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 17, 2011, 10:55:10 AM: I found some more cool stuff on Jimmies racing photos...these were posted by "Rarmen"
There wasn't any photographer info, so if you know who took the picture, feel free to interject.
First shot is of Jack McCutcheon @ Oswego Speedway w/ the #73
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 17, 2011, 10:56:39 AM: Warren Coniam (#46) and Jimmy Shampine (#8) @ Oswego Speedway 1966
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 17, 2011, 11:01:40 AM: Last one...Bobby Courtright of Hamburg, NY @ unknown track....check out the champ car in the background
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Post by: ole bones on April 17, 2011, 07:48:43 PM: The 3 car in the last pic was a Scats Anfusco (? spelling) car, a URC regular, possibly at Flemington, prob. a USAC show
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Post by: WaltS171128 on April 20, 2011, 09:22:53 PM: Quote from: Greg Birosh on April 11, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started? Was it just something that a few people did? Did it hold any particular significance? Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track? Or was it just home-state pride? Any insight is appreciated.

Hi Greg, good to hear from you again, I'm Lyle's brother. In regarding what you asked about, the only time I had heard about a driver putting the state's intials on a race car was done as a joke back in 1951 and the story was told to a bunch of us at Angelica in the early 60's by the late great Dean Layfield. He told us that one of the funniest things he'd ever seen on a stock car was the number 22NYI. The drivers' name was Buck Mantooth. The guy wasn't a bad driver but there were two other guys with the number 22 at this old track that no longer is in existence. This riled Mr Mantooth up seeings how he was 22 years old at the time and was told by track officials that he couldn't use that number on his new Ford he was about to race. So he got him some paint and a brush and put in big letters the NYI after the 22. Well, suffice it to say, after the race was over, a few of the drivers asked him what the NYI stood for and he bluntly said " well look, since I can't use the number 22 I did the next best thing and put down NYI which was " New York "Indian ", and by God, they'll all know who I am now ! I thought Dean was going to choke on his Lucky Strike when he finished that story.

But yes, it could be what was told to you about a Nascar affiliation, but I don't believe it was anything significant, I believe it was done as more of a joke that anything. Maybe someday someone will supply the answer, but your inquiry got me to thinking about that cool story that Dean told to my Dad and a bunch of us at the track.

Hey, good to see you on again, Greg. Take care
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Post by: WaltS171128 on April 21, 2011, 02:34:19 AM: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Greg, tell your father I said hello, how is he been doin' ? I can still recall Lyle and I making trips up to your Dad's shop back in the day. Like Dylan Dewert knows along with the Lawson boys, Walt Mitchell, Steve Paine and a host of others; that when Lyle went on these excursions up north it was hard to get him to leave, it seems I always I had to bribe him to get him to finally leave in that I'd holler at him " ok, I'm buying dinner, where's the nearest Red Lobster John ?", :) When it came to grub Lyle couldn't wait to hit the road, especially if he knew someone else was buying and it was lobster :) You were just a young guy then, if I recall.

I can still recall your Dad driving our Dad's modified in the first Skoal race at Woodhull in 1989 which I believe Kenny Brightbill won and your Dad finished 6th or 7th, I'm not sure which, but I know your Dad ran his guts out to finish where he did coming from the back of the pack. Great memories ! I miss those Skoal races at Woodhull.

Well again, tell your father hello, he's one hell of a good man !
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 21, 2011, 04:17:23 PM: More stuff from "jimmies"
Art Bennett in the #35 @ Oswego 1966 (no photog info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 21, 2011, 04:31:59 PM: from "Jimmies'...this was posted by "lastrebel"...no photog info...One of my All Time Favorites!
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 21, 2011, 04:59:10 PM: Disher McKinsel in the 11D w/ Kniessel on the outside...Weedsport 1979...grouped w/ a bunch of photos by Russ Mills so my guess would be he shot this one.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 08:23:35 AM: I took this photo at Syracuse because I thought the car was sharp. I have no idea who it is. I'd say I shot this in probably 1977 or 78. Since it was Syracuse the car could be from anywhere in the north-east. Anybody know who it was? DALE
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 08:27:14 AM: Here's Loren Holland JR at Waterloo. I believe he's still racing as I saw a car at Five Mile a couple years ago but it could be his kid now. Loren was pretty fast but quite a bit on the wild side so he was prone to getting tangled up. I snapped the photo, DALE
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 08:30:43 AM: HERE'S A PIC i SNAPPED FROM THE STANDS AT WEEDSPORT. Charlie Rudolf in his home built 72r.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 08:37:09 AM: Here's one I took at the Langhorne National open. I think it is 1971. Dutch Hoag passin the 71. Could possibly be Lee Osborn this year in the 7 instead of Hoag. I can never remember the #71's name but I know he was a Lancaster regular so you guys can fill me in . Not too bad a pic for a ten year old boy with a WWII era box camera from the stands......wish I had took a bunch more! DALE
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Post by: Sunfish112 on April 23, 2011, 09:30:46 AM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on April 11, 2011, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: Greg Birosh on April 11, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Can anyone on here tell me how the practice of putting the state abbreviation (such as "NY") after a race car number got started? Was it just something that a few people did? Did it hold any particular significance? Was it a rule for a particular sanction or track? Or was it just home-state pride? Any insight is appreciated.
That's a good question. I always wondered that myself. It seems like the modifieds in the 60’s and 70’s that had those State abbreviations lettered on their cars ran at NASCAR tracks: Fonda, Malta, U-R, Stafford, Norwood, Riverside Park, Thompson, Islip. I think NASCAR had separate State championship point standings in addition to their National Championships at one time. I wonder if it had something to do with that?

Not only did they race at mostly Nascar tracks but they were also part of the All-Star Series of drivers, I believe.
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Post by: justmark on April 23, 2011, 12:56:29 PM: Dave Kelly drove a #17 Gremlin at the 1978 Syracuse Schaefer 100 with Brightbill Racing on it, and it didn't look quite like that for the race. It had Dave Kelly on the door next to the 17 and had more/a different color scheme over the rear sheet metal tire. It possibly could be his car from 1977 as the "17" looks the same.
The Davey Moore yellow #6 is parked next to the Holland #360 in that picture.
The Charlie Rudolph photo is from the early '80s?
Dutch Hoag drove in the 1971 Langhorne National Open. There wasn't a Lancaster #71 on the roster nor a #71 in the Langhorne race in 1971 though...... It could be from practice (unlikely I know) and might be Long Island's Joe Krukowski's #71 (he wasn't in either of the '70 or '71 Langhorne events). If it's from 1970, I don't know who it is then as I don't have the car numbers attached to the drivers who were in the race.
It makes sense about state abbreviations also being on the cars for All Star Racing League Series events.
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Post by: Rocket88 on April 23, 2011, 04:26:05 PM: Dutch Hoag photo is 1971. Lee drove the Valiant #7 in 1970. The #71 appears to be #7, also, as it looks like the "1" was added due to Dutch being #7.
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Post by: 112SMW on April 23, 2011, 04:52:31 PM: I'm taking a wild guess about the #71 coach.I think it might be Mike Grbac.
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Post by: Rocket88 on April 23, 2011, 05:22:22 PM: Excellent guess!
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 23, 2011, 07:06:34 PM: Dale... I've seen that 17 car in another picture somewhere before that has the driver identified. If I run across it again, I'll fill in the blank. Question -- is that Chuck Ciprich standing by the right rear with the classic '70s porn star sideburns?? :o
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Post by: justmark on April 23, 2011, 07:28:52 PM: Dutch Hoag didn't race the 1970 Langhorne National Open due to illness and Mitch Smith drove his coupe with Lee Osborne driving his Valiant.
Dutch was driving his Camaro at the last Langhorne National Open in 1971. The picture posted was taken in the 1971 event as was stated. The deal was the original field didn't have a #71 in it, and that included renumbered cars. It was rained out, and the race was run a week later. Bugs Stevens, Fred DeSarro and Jerry Cook decided to skip the race and went to compete at a Martinsville race instead for NASCAR points. Three other drivers didn't return either that were in the original field. That opened up the field for six drivers to be added when the race was actually run. NJ's Mike Grbac was able to make the field with his renumbered #71 and as a sidenote he wasn't even an original alternate starter (there were four of them) after the original field was set.
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Post by: Mike DeLaney on April 23, 2011, 09:30:22 PM: Since someone mention John's name here is one of his cars. I bought this picture in 86 at Weedsport.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 11:50:48 PM: Not sure about that being Chuck Ciprich but it definately looks like Dwayne Schrute helpint to refuel that sprint car! All the sideburns in these photo's make me laugh! I can't believe I didn't remember Mike Grbac racing the old purple King Chevrolet coach since I'm a Grbac fan but you're right. I know Mike's son Chris who races a dirt modified and is a heck of a nice guy. My brother and I were at the Daniel Boone race at Reading that fateful day that ended Mike's life. Here's a pic that I shot at Syracuse that I labled Chuck Ciprich in a ratty looking sprint car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 11:54:01 PM: Here's Chuck with the Show-Car Engineering chassis that he had huge success with. I rode around Weedsport in this car on kiddies night when I was like eleven or twelve. Photo by Smith I believe.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 11:56:30 PM: And here's Al Golley at Waterloo with a car of almost identical design by Howard Conkey's Show-car engineering, Had extreme off-set engine with the driver moved to the right. By the way does anyone have a pic of the Corvair Bodied Rutledge Rocket...I'd love to see that car again! Pic by me in around 1977.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2011, 11:59:55 PM: Since someone was interested in Davey Moore in the back-ground here's the pic I shao in the pits at Waterloo that same day in 1977....by the way I was racing my own Modified at the time. DALE
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 12:02:11 AM: Here's me with my Show-car chassis (slightly Welty-ized) from 19977. Photo by Russ Mills?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 12:04:39 AM: Here's one for Greg, His Dad , John Birosh at Rolling wheels from an old DIRT program clipping.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 12:11:43 AM: Here's a pic I took at Waterloo that day in 1977. This is Gary Iulg in the car I think he terrorized the locals at Woodhull with and won many races elsewhere on the DIRT circuit. Photo by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 12:20:29 AM: Here's Bentley Warren in the Super at Syracuse during his time-trial. I took it the same day I snapped the Ciprich sprinter pic. I believe they ran a double feature and Bentley won one of them and was second in the other to take the over-all honors. I think I have a shot I took from the grandstand in my collection and will post that as well.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 12:24:45 AM: Here's the shot showing Sprint vs Super day at Syracuse. From the grandstand so possibly beer induced as you could drink before twenty-one in those heidonistic seventies! Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 12:40:04 AM: And since I caught a celeb in the form of Dwayne Schrute I thought I'd like to show other photos where celebs happened to get caught enjoying the races. Here's a photo shot by my dad, Norm, at Daytona International Speedway. It shows me on the left in my latest New York Dork kid in FLA fashion next to my Mom. But behind my MOM!.....who knew Rush Limbaugh was a big race fan!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 12:42:14 AM: PS not too sure that it's an early shot of jack Roush, the cat in the hat, smiling to Rush's right! WHO KNEW???!!!
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 24, 2011, 02:32:05 AM: Here you go Dale - look at that picture of the 17 again, and then look at this one.

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See what I mean?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 01:00:59 PM: hi Bob, Somehow the attached pic is Chuck Ciprich with his first Tube Frame car which I remember as handling very poorly but getting off the corners like a rocket. I assume you've got a Dave Kelly pic somewhere but clicked the wrong one. The Dave Kelly car I always associate with him was a Powder Blue with dark blue accent Mustang bodied car complete with Drag tires which would probably date around 1976. please try to post the other one, I'm interested to see if it's the same car. DALE Here's a Brian Stevens pic at Waterloo in 1977 for all the Canadian fans.
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Post by: Frasson118 on April 24, 2011, 03:42:51 PM: Gary Iulg and Roy Schenk in the background...
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 10:09:42 PM: Continuing with the photos I shot at Waterloo in 1977, here's one of Larry Radney. I'm not sure where he was from but he raced with us in central NY for a couple seasons and then we didn't see him anymore. Speaking of somebody who came and went does anybody have a shot of Fran Bonne's E-1 profile car. We were talking about that car down at the race shop the other day and I'd love to see a picture of it.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2011, 10:12:47 PM: Bud Wards #42 FORD Mustang at Waterloo in 1977. This was also the year and the track that Mike McLaughlin started his racing career. I believe Bud's son,Pat Ward, was running a late model Mustang at this time.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 25, 2011, 02:42:08 AM: Dale, I USED to have a couple of different pictures of the E1, but can't find them - go figure. But all is not lost. I did find the car you are looking for, but after Bohne sold it to Ron Baker.

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Post by: justmark on April 25, 2011, 03:28:43 AM: Fran Bohne with his #E1 Modified circa 1977: Fred Smith Photo
I think this photo was taken at Ransomville with Scott Whitley #22 and Davey Moore #6 parked next to him.
I loved when the announcers would say his last name: Bone-E! Fran left oval track racing and went tractor pulling.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 25, 2011, 07:34:56 AM: Quote
I loved when the announcers would say his last name: Bone-E!

Then they were saying it right. People who say "Bone" are wrong. It's "Boney."
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Post by: oldguy on April 25, 2011, 10:36:18 AM: This was one of the first cars that I ever noticed that had temperature probes in the headers. I thought that was very cool. The southern guys used them on their dyno headers...
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 25, 2011, 11:46:11 AM: For those of you who actually saw this car run, do you remember how quiet it was? I'm thinking Bohne was the first in this area to use mufflers -- even in a day when they weren't mandatory, and everyone else was using open headers.
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Post by: lynchmobb on April 25, 2011, 12:18:01 PM: For the #17 car at Syracude - I have this version from 1980. I did not know the driver either. I posted it a while ago on RaceNY & someone said it was 'Rick Wean' - not a driver I am familiar with.
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Post by: Bigdog13 on April 25, 2011, 12:54:17 PM: Is the #17 Jack Emerson ?
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on April 25, 2011, 01:26:21 PM: Quote from: Bigdog13 on April 25, 2011, 12:54:17 PM
Is the #17 Jack Emerson ?

Definitely not Jack Emerson
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Post by: Les on April 25, 2011, 11:49:31 PM: Could the 17 be Billy Eggers,I maybe wrong but I think in 1980 didn't Maynard Troyer try to Qualify a car Number 17.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 26, 2011, 01:15:07 AM: At the 4:57 mark of this video, it says the driver of the 17 is Dick Wean, starting in the 12th row of the non qualifiers race.

Super DIRT Week IX - Schaefer 200 - Part 3 of 17 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLhlaaWfodU#)
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Post by: modcrew18 on April 26, 2011, 01:56:56 AM: Last i knew Ron Baker was still using that same hauler today. Probably only one older than ours.
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Post by: justmark on April 26, 2011, 02:51:39 AM: I think that Ron Baker is indeed using that same hauler as it looks like the one that was usually one of the early pit arrivers every week last year at South Arcade Speedway......
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Post by: lynchmobb on April 26, 2011, 12:05:13 PM: For Les - here's a 1980 Syracuse photo I had listed as Maynard Troyer.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 26, 2011, 12:57:17 PM: At 5:41 of that video, they talk about Maynard being an excellent driver on dirt and asphalt.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 26, 2011, 11:09:14 PM: Wow, Troyer in a Grant Knig car or a Harraka copy. 1980 must be just prior to the Mud Bus revolution. Here's a photo I took of Buzzie coming onto pit road during the 1974 Fair Race at Syracuse. Looks like he has a king pin problem. If I remember right he won the 1972 and 1973 Schaefer 100's but I don't know how he made out in the Labor Day Fair races those years. I seem to recall Brightbill winning one and possibly Merv Treichler. Does anyone know?
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Post by: Les on April 26, 2011, 11:52:16 PM: Thanks Lynchmob,The 1974 Labor day I think was won either Ernie Marshall or Gerald Chamberlin.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 27, 2011, 01:26:49 PM: Brightbill won in '72. I went in '73, but I don't remember who won.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 27, 2011, 01:53:55 PM: Winners up to '81.
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Post by: justmark on April 27, 2011, 04:11:02 PM: Backing up to that "unknown" #17 Modified Gremlin at Syracuse photo....... I looked at the time trial list for the '77 and '78 Schaefer Modified 100 events, and there were about 6 or 7 cars for each year that had a #17 car and driver for them. I could list the driver names if you want me to do that.....
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 27, 2011, 04:51:44 PM: Mark -

Dale said the picture was taken in 1980. Lynchmobb identified the driver as Rick Wean and posted a second picture of the same car. I surfed youtube and found the starting lineup for the 1980 nonqualifiers event, and the same car/driver is listed on the ESPN broadcast as Dick Wean. I think he's been identified. ;D
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Post by: justmark on April 27, 2011, 05:25:56 PM: I missed something in that part.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 28, 2011, 10:45:42 PM: I vote for Dick Wean. I wonder where his regular tracks were as his name does not ring a bell with me. By the way it's DeWhite Schrute from "the Office" helping refuel the sprint car. I mis-identified him as DeWayne Schrute! Here's a pic I shot from the Stands at the 77 or 78 Eastern States race at Orange County Speedway in Middletown NY. I believe Lecomby in the 37 had just tangled with Cagle in the white car and Cagle was coming up beside on the caution to show his displeasure. Photo by me.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on April 29, 2011, 02:29:46 AM: Show displeasure? LMFAO!!! Cagle's flipping Leckonby off!!! HILARIOUS!!!

I'm stealing that one, Dale. Too funny!
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Post by: 68mustangfb on April 29, 2011, 05:39:51 AM: Awesome Info and photos !! Thanks for sharing. U guys ALL rock !! JMO MR 8)
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on April 29, 2011, 08:01:21 AM: Quote from: 68mustangfb on April 29, 2011, 05:39:51 AM
Awesome Info and photos !! Thanks for sharing. U guys ALL rock !! JMO MR 8)
/\ i'll 2nd that /\ talk about hangin by a thread lol...this is 1 of the best threads on here & the one i look @ the most...SWEET pics & Absolutely GREAT racing history(like a breath of fresh air)BIG thanks to you ALL !
RACE ON !
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Post by: justmark on April 29, 2011, 08:11:32 AM: Dick Wean was from NJ, and it appears he raced at Flemington (took a wild flip down the frontstretch there according to another site) and likely East Windsor as well. He was still racing into the early '80s. Rick Wean also raced, but he was Dick's son.
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 29, 2011, 05:11:41 PM: There is a picture of the Fran Bohne car on page 11
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 02, 2011, 11:10:41 PM: Thanks for the info. Dick Wean was from Milford NJ. Here's a couple more I took of Cagle after the Lekomby incident at the Eastern States.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 02, 2011, 11:12:06 PM: agle ultimately drops out. Photo's by me.....who won the 1977 Eastern States 200 anyhow?
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 03, 2011, 05:13:50 PM: I read on Facebook that Dick Emerson passed away today.
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Post by: Casper60 on May 03, 2011, 05:49:35 PM: Paul Putt @ Lancaster Speedway

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Post by: justmark on May 03, 2011, 05:50:59 PM: I posted on here about Dick Emerson passing away along with some other pictures of him and his Modifieds.
Gary Balough won the 1977 Orange County Eastern States Modified 200 in the Gremlin #73 after starting outside pole; he led all 200 laps. The victory was worth $2,750 as the first place prize plus $1,500 in lap money along with contingency awards. The rest of the top five finishers were Kevin Collins, Sammy Beavers, Don Kreitz and Jimmy Horton. Dave Leckonby finished tenth.
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Post by: Admin on May 03, 2011, 10:54:47 PM: (https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcollections.rmsc.org%2FStoneCollection%2F09%2Fscm09958.jpg&hash=c63566f89f8f7da563db0ab24e504952d7fbb615)

I was researching OLD auto racing photographs and came across one from the Albert Stone collection at the Rochester Museum and Science Center. Apparently there was a dirt track in Avon, NY, circa May 30, 1918.

I hope all of you racers and fans have a bit of reverence for the history of the sport which you all have inherited. Make more history friends, in 2011!

I'll follow with more info when I can provide it. Enjoy!
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Post by: Admin on May 03, 2011, 10:59:40 PM: Here's one of HARRY VELTZ, behind the wheel of the CORBIN SPECIAL, circa May 30, 1918. Enjoy!

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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 04, 2011, 12:56:57 AM: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/democratandchronicle/obituary.aspx?n=richard-j-emerson-dick&pid=150770964 (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/democratandchronicle/obituary.aspx?n=richard-j-emerson-dick&pid=150770964)
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on May 04, 2011, 02:22:57 AM: Not to steal your thunder, but I can help out a little with Avon. The track was known as the Avon Driving Park and just before the turn of the century, driving parks were Sunday meeting places for the wealthy to show off their best carriages, team of horses, dress clothes and general status. Doctors, lawyers, politicians and business owners would go to church, then to the driving park for a picnic lunch and to show off. As the automobile grew in popularity, driving parks at times were used to settle bets that a team of horses could beat the automobile. In many cases, driving parks became the nation's first speedways. Once the automobile steadily beat teams of horses, 2 car events were held. Most of the time these events were held against the clock. In some cases, they were staged head to head. By 1910, most driving parks had fallen to the automobile crowd.

The Avon Driving Park still exists, believe it or not. It's located at the end of Spring Street just outside of town on the south side. Thank you for sharing those pictures. I've been collecting images of relic race tracks for quite a while now, and these are the oldest I've seen from Avon.

If you ever run across images from Akron, PLEASE share. I've been to the Akron library and spent hours looking at microfiche of the Akron newspaper, I've been to Watkins Glen Motorsports Museum and Reference Center to research the track, and even interviewed neighbors surrounding the track and have yet to uncover a single image.
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Post by: Admin on May 04, 2011, 09:55:59 AM: Thanks Bob! I enjoy researching the history of the sport and your information is very helpful!

Found an article from 1910 about a round trip race from Rochester to Syracuse. Interesting.

I looked from Google Earth, couldn't see Avon Driving Park though...
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on May 04, 2011, 11:10:39 AM: Do yoursellf a favor. Download Bing Maps and then run both Bing and Google simultaneously - where you are looking at the same images from both satellites. The first thing you'll see is that Google has nowhere near the resolution quality as Bing, but Google DOES have more viewable image areas (Bing is closing in fast). I think after using all of them (I use Bing, Google, Yahoo, Historic Aerials, NETR and a secret weapon), my favorite of all of them is Bing.

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Post by: Admin on May 04, 2011, 03:56:12 PM: Very cool! Thanks Bob!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 04, 2011, 09:58:16 PM: The Will Cagle, Dave Kneisel confrontation at Weedsport, 1975. After a couple of bumping matches under caution, I believe Cagle spun Kneisel. They both got ejected. Not sure of photographer. Russ Mills?
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Post by: ModRoCmaniac on May 04, 2011, 10:39:35 PM: Quote from: Admin on May 03, 2011, 10:59:40 PM
Here's one of HARRY VELTZ, behind the wheel of the CORBIN SPECIAL, circa May 30, 1918. Enjoy!

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that is SOoooo AWESOME ;D THANKS for sharing...LOVIN all this stuff
LOOK at that big ole squeeze bulb horn LMAO "outa the way comin through HONK HONK !" Avon NY might have to swing by there & take a few pics thats just amazing...wondering what them cars weighed in at ? WOW look like tanks
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 04, 2011, 11:39:29 PM: Just wanted to mention the #19 in the Cagle-Kneisel tangle is Ed Thompson. I believe his car was a former Jim Shampine coupe. It had a pearl paint job and was very cool. I think I'll get one of them horns for the Modified if it makes my competittors give way!!! Dale. Here's another pic I snapped at the 77 Eastern States. If I remember right a car got up on top of the wall in front of me during one of the heats and almost came into the spectator area. He took out the light pole and this was their speedy repair job. Pic by me.
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Post by: bakes on May 09, 2011, 12:48:59 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on May 04, 2011, 11:39:29 PM
Just wanted to mention the #19 in the Cagle-Kneisel tangle is Ed Thompson. I believe his car was a former Jim Shampine coupe. It had a pearl paint job and was very cool. I think I'll get one of them horns for the Modified if it makes my competittors give way!!! Dale. Here's another pic I snapped at the 77 Eastern States. If I remember right a car got up on top of the wall in front of me during one of the heats and almost came into the spectator area. He took out the light pole and this was their speedy repair job. Pic by me.

That Ed Thompson car is still around - someone located it and restored it recently. I knew that the body looked like one of the former 8balls, but didn't know for sure if it was one or not. Pretty cool.
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Post by: JGALLANT on May 09, 2011, 09:28:51 PM: Is the blue car behind the broken pole Bill Brooking #43 ? He was a regular at Fonda Speedway.
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Post by: argonrcn on May 10, 2011, 09:56:40 PM: 1960's REAL RACING {PHOTO BY GEORGE} (http://)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 10, 2011, 10:41:03 PM: I believe the #43 is Bill Brookings. Here's another one I took at Waterloo in 1977. Terry Kincaid (later Bushbacker) with her first Modified. I believe this is a Swinning Chassis. Their motto was Swinning means Winning! Pic By me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 10, 2011, 10:44:23 PM: On second look it's not a Schwinning as it lacks the third "sizzy bar" in the roll cage athough the cage design looks similar. Maybe it's a Bushbacker Chassis? Anybody Know....it's definately not a Saab which is what her Husband at the time, Russ, used to run.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on May 11, 2011, 06:11:59 AM: I always thought the Kincaid cars were some of Will Cagle's earliest creations.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on May 11, 2011, 11:08:14 AM: Dale,

The only thing that makes it look like a schwinning chassis to me is the front shock mounting but the double rounded front of the chassis looks like show car to me.

Darrell
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 11, 2011, 05:46:59 PM: It does look kinda like a show car chassis from the front (not that I'm an expert). I remember getting a kiddie ride in her old 96k coupe (or I guess Russ owned it), probably back in '74.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 12, 2011, 10:27:42 PM: The front of the frame on Kincaids car does look like a show-car but the Show Car Chassis had roll cage hoops that when cross ways to the car. A front hoop and a rear hoop connected by straight bars. This car has the cross hoop at the rear of the cage but longitudinal a-pillar hoops at the front. Could be something of Cagle's or maybe Dietz who was building cars for Cagle around that time. I'll see if I can find a cagle pinto from that time frame and see if the chassis is similar. This clipping from the DIRT Program shows John Podolak in the former Cagle Pinto...does it look similar...also the fairly rare shot of the Ewing #66 as a coupe with Brother Darrell at the wheel. pic by Romeo.
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Post by: Frasson118 on May 12, 2011, 10:51:30 PM: Speaking of chassis builders, the Ewing 66 that Darrell is driving was built by a guy named Joe Comella (sp?), who built that car for us (Binner/Peters/Ewing) and was 1 of only 2 chassis that I know of him building. Joe Cunninghams orange #22 Gremlin was the other.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on May 13, 2011, 03:20:55 PM: Hi, Jerry,

I didn't know that chassis was a sister of the Joe Cunningham one, I might be the only person who drove both copies!

You're right about the top of the cage on Kincaids car not looking like a show car but the bars to the front are different on Terry's and John Podolok's, the one on Podoloks is much lower just above the headers. But back then most chassis where changing in one way or another almost very year and I'm sure not all were jig built so many variations exist.

Darrell
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Post by: Frasson118 on May 15, 2011, 01:37:18 AM: DW... you very well may be right about that, although I didn't realize you also drove Joe's car (which was a very nice looking car). Whatever happened to him anyways???
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on May 15, 2011, 07:17:35 AM: Joe still lives in Canandaigua as far as I know. I know he was a mechanic at Canandaigua Motors for a long time and lived just outside the VA hospital on Fort Hill Ave.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 15, 2011, 08:55:49 AM: here's a picture I snapped before the 1971 Langhorne National Open in 1971. The cars are lined up on the track during pre-race ceremonies and I caught Lou "the Monk" Lazzaro in the #4 and eventual winner Merv Treichler in the #58. Coupes were still the predominate body style although Corvairs, Falcons and Camero were quite common. I always liked coaches for some reason and maybe that's why I prefer the Sail Panel look on DIRT Modifieds today. But I really liked Bodines Valiant too. Ripley's reproduction is as close to the real thing as possible and you should check it out in other posts. He even got Geoff Bodine to sit in it when he came through town on Kyle Petty's charity ride.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 15, 2011, 09:00:30 AM: Here's another one from the 1971 Open. Sorry it's such a long shot but that's the kind of camera they let ten year old kids use! It shows a pit fire during what I assume is green flag pit stops. Perhaps you good folks can zoom in and tell us all what's happening and maybe if you were there give us a story of what you remember.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 15, 2011, 09:03:45 AM: here's one I took of a pit stop by "Mr Modified" Ray Hendricks in the famous Tant Camaro during the 1970 National Open. pics by me.
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Post by: justmark on May 15, 2011, 07:01:09 PM: Merv Treichler won in 1970 and cousin Roger Treichler won the final Langhorne National Open (Race of Champions) in 1971.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 15, 2011, 10:10:27 PM: I'll have to relable that pic with Merv in it. I'm not sure if it's from 1970 or 71. I believe that's bodine on the pole and Evans on outside pole so I think it's 71. Did Merv Treichler run the same car both years? Here's a shot of Bodine and Evans coming down to take the initial green flag to start the race. Photo by me.
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Post by: justmark on May 15, 2011, 11:21:14 PM: That picture with Merv, Lazzaro and Richie was from the 1971 event. Merv had the "upright" #58 numbers in 1971. They were "scoopier" #58 numbers on his winning car in 1970.
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Post by: justmark on May 15, 2011, 11:49:59 PM: Here's Merv Treichler's #58 winning 1970 Langhorne National Open ride: Unknown photographer
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Post by: lynchmobb on May 16, 2011, 12:09:36 PM: for the pit fire photo - it looks like Gerald Chamberlain in the #31 Mustang, Richie Evans, & Lou Lazzaro / Buzzie Reutimann up where the smoke is. I do not remember the details of the fire.

I do remember a few years earlier when Jerry Cook's car started on fire during a pit stop - there were photos of him jumping out of the car in the various papers.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 16, 2011, 10:33:05 PM: Here's another shot of a pit stop. I have this labeled as 1970. It's obviously Rudolf in the #72. Not sure of the full bodied Mustang. Again sorry these shots are from such a distance. I'm going to post a few that I believe my Mom shot with an instamatic which is even worse as far as the distance goes. What she was trying to document was all the cars lined up on pit road for time trial. So it will be hard to tell who's car we are looking at but I think we will see cars that virtually noby has photos of and hopefully you guys can fill us in on who they are. Pics by me and or my Mom.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 16, 2011, 10:36:02 PM: Here's the first of my Mom's qualifying documentation.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 16, 2011, 10:37:41 PM: Here's another one.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 16, 2011, 10:40:15 PM: Here's the last one for tonight. This one was labeled 1968 so you'll really have to stretch your memory.
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Post by: Frasson118 on May 17, 2011, 11:16:08 AM: I think the Yellow, full-bodied car (with the hood up) was actually Benny Parsons
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Post by: Frasson118 on May 17, 2011, 02:47:07 PM: In pic# 1595, I think the gold # 12 would be Max Berrier
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 17, 2011, 05:13:24 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on May 16, 2011, 10:33:05 PM
Here's another shot of a pit stop. I have this labeled as 1970. It's obviously Rudolf in the #72. Not sure of the full bodied Mustang. Again sorry these shots are from such a distance. I'm going to post a few that I believe my Mom shot with an instamatic which is even worse as far as the distance goes. What she was trying to document was all the cars lined up on pit road for time trial. So it will be hard to tell who's car we are looking at but I think we will see cars that virtually noby has photos of and hopefully you guys can fill us in on who they are. Pics by me and or my Mom.

I'm not 100% sure my old memory is right...but the name Dick Swartzlander from Pittsburg area kept popping up in my head as driver of the Mustang. I believe it was a maroon colored.
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 17, 2011, 05:26:11 PM: I had this kid picked as the next "DIRT" superstar. Then he just disappeared. Does anybody know what happened to him?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 17, 2011, 10:49:10 PM: Hi Mark, Good to see you back again. Is that picture taken at Weedsport? DALE
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Post by: 112SMW on May 18, 2011, 07:43:45 AM: That photo of Mikey Seager was taken at Rolling Wheels.
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 18, 2011, 07:52:59 AM: I think it was Rolling Wheels. SO... Where did he disappear to?
Hey Dale and DW you need a FACEBOOK page..

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Post by: 112SMW on May 18, 2011, 08:02:28 AM: They thought that after the modified they would make it big by racing sprint cars.That was to much power for the kid and then they dropped out of sight.
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Post by: ron.m on May 18, 2011, 05:59:14 PM: If John Unaman looks at this he can tell you what Mikes doing now as he keeps in touch with his dad Bud.As far as I know and I mite be wrong but he is now building drag cars for a professional drag team
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Post by: tom35 on May 18, 2011, 10:32:37 PM: Mike now lives in S.C. he is building Funny Cars and Pro Mods at T&M Race cars in Spartnburg SC. Hes married and has a son we talk on the phone every couple of weeks He was the next big thing back in the day but I think dad wanted more than the kid was willing to give I think that he was headed for Super Stardom until he and dad got into it jmo !!
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Post by: justmark on May 19, 2011, 11:04:46 PM: Lou Lazzaro's #4 Lancer Modified (built by Sonney Seamon) from 1973 with Ken Canestrari #17 next to him: Unknown photographer
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Post by: justmark on May 19, 2011, 11:12:08 PM: Andy Romano and his #97 Valiant Modified in 1971: John Grady Photo
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 20, 2011, 07:51:54 AM: The Romano Valiant was the ex-Dutch Hoag Valiant from 1970. They sold it to Andy after Langhorne in 1970, after Ozzie had gotten it upside down in the infield ditch. In it's wrecked (although not that badly) condition, I think it fetched somewhere around $7,200. Pretty good $ in 1970, but it must have been worth it, as Andy won in it too.
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Post by: kt on May 20, 2011, 09:21:41 AM: Tom35, thanks for the report on Mike Seeger. I have often wondered whatever happened to him. He and I didn't get along too good back when he was getting started, but say hey next time you talk to him. I always liked his old man, Bud, he was pretty sharp........................kt
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Post by: no74falcon on May 20, 2011, 09:53:23 AM: Quote from: MOD27NY on May 17, 2011, 05:26:11 PM
I had this kid picked as the next "DIRT" superstar. Then he just disappeared. Does anybody know what happened to him?
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The Troyer house car next to him? And Merv's #58 behind him?
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Post by: kt on May 20, 2011, 10:14:30 AM: Allen.........No it was not a house car, Mike's dad Cliff(Bud) owned that car..........Mike did work at Troyer's at the time.
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Post by: 112SMW on May 20, 2011, 11:30:53 AM: When L.F.(you know what that stands for)worked at Troyer's didn't he take a few trips to the pond at the shop?
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Post by: Greg Birosh on May 20, 2011, 04:02:44 PM: Quote from: no74falcon on May 20, 2011, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: MOD27NY on May 17, 2011, 05:26:11 PM
I had this kid picked as the next "DIRT" superstar. Then he just disappeared. Does anybody know what happened to him?
(http://)

The Troyer house car next to him? And Merv's #58 behind him?
The car between Mike and Merv, that you can just see the back of the roof, is the 17 of John Birosh, a car built at Birosh Racing, owned by Bill Trout with power by Bob Henry at Henry's Competition in Syracuse.
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Post by: no74falcon on May 20, 2011, 07:45:09 PM: Thanks KT and Greg. I remember the Troyer Experimental car that had a "notchback" type body on it that went to Fonda with a small block and really whipped the field. Was that a "House" car KT? And was it Jack Johnson driving it? Thanks guys.
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Post by: tcjet8 on May 22, 2011, 09:56:32 AM: Hi Guy's. Looking at the Valient Mod pictures does anyone have or seen a picture of George Kent Yellow Twister Modified.
I was talking to a friend and I personally do not recall this car but he said Kent Drove a Yellow Valient Bodied named Yellow twister. Or he said the body was a SCAMP Body ? If anyone has a pictures of this car please post them if possible.
Thanks: I am trying to figure out still how to post pictures. .
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Post by: justmark on May 22, 2011, 10:32:16 AM: I've only seen George Kent's white #26 Valiant in a colored photo......
This was taken at Pocono circa 1972: Unknown photographer
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Post by: 112SMW on May 22, 2011, 10:49:24 AM: That was the Dodge Dart body with a Mopar engine in it.
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 22, 2011, 12:21:35 PM: The "Lemon Twister" was George's first modified, and was destroyed in its debut at Fulton(I think) The car was a former Bryan Osgood car.Not sure the white Dart was the replacement, as I also recall him running an orange '67ish Dart, briefly.
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Post by: 112SMW on May 22, 2011, 02:22:59 PM: The LEMON TWISTER was destroyed on it's 3rd trip to Fulton.It used to be rookies had to start at the rear of the pack for 3 weeks but George was doing good the first 2 weeks so they started him up front.That was a big mistake as they were going into 3 Sonny Seamon gave him a touch and got him crossed up and a 17 car pileup started with Sammy Reaks sitting on top og George and George's car was totalled.
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Post by: tcjet8 on May 22, 2011, 05:24:14 PM: Thank You for the history of the car. Pitures are rare of the Memon Twister.
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Post by: justmark on May 22, 2011, 05:27:26 PM: I think I have one of George's Lemon Twister Modified somewhere in a magazine that's a black and white photo though. I'll look and see if I can find it.
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 22, 2011, 08:53:12 PM: Ask and you'll receive
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 22, 2011, 08:54:58 PM: Osgood
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 22, 2011, 08:57:07 PM: Not sure if it's the same care or not
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 22, 2011, 08:58:17 PM: :)
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Post by: MOD27NY on May 22, 2011, 09:13:59 PM: Maybe I'm wrong..but I seem to remember a plum crazy purple #26 that George drove also.
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Post by: tcjet8 on May 22, 2011, 09:55:10 PM: wow. Thank You so much for the Lemon Twister Pic. Geo alway's seemed to have nice clean cars ...
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 22, 2011, 10:39:47 PM: In that pic of George and the Lemon Twister where he's standing beside it at probably Shangrila, It looks like the car either has cross torsion bar suspension or a rear anti-roll bar. Does anyone have info about this? Also I always thought one of those cars was either one of Osgoods old cars or a copy of one. Notice how the cage gets wider at the top and there's no rear-ward lean.....very similar to Bodines design. Here's a pic buy L. O. Duncan of George Kents Dodge Charger Late Model which was purple so perhaps this is the Plum Crazy car. Apparently very much influenced by Tommy Gush! Also George was apparently a big Mopar fan in his early years! DALE
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Post by: tcjet8 on May 23, 2011, 05:57:41 PM: That picture of Kent at Shangri-la is really nice. The trees in the back ground especially the one right next to the red pickups hood that is raised , is the one tree that people used to climb up to watch a race. One Sunday afternoon "special show" a driver named Frank Chappman flipped entirely out of the backstretch corner turn 3 and almost hit the base of that tree. The people would have fallen like coconuts. I think that was the race when Bentley Warren broke out the Sportmen Modified , White coupe number 44. That was a hot car too...That engine screamed in that 44. Thanks for the pics guy's.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 23, 2011, 08:56:52 PM: I know it was discussed a couple pages ago, but there are some great pics of the restored Eddie Thompson modified at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Oswego-Speedway-Old-Timers-Reunion/138905296128420 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Oswego-Speedway-Old-Timers-Reunion/138905296128420). His car is under the photo section, the 2009 old-timers reunion http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.156402207712062.36583.138905296128420 (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.156402207712062.36583.138905296128420)
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 27, 2011, 08:12:25 PM: Looks like the engine sits back farther in the 2nd Osgood pic. (the one with the '64 Valiant body) Osgood's cars were originally built by Bodine, Kent's "Lemon Twister" was Osgood's former car.
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 27, 2011, 08:19:05 PM: Alan Johnson at Reading...
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 28, 2011, 08:07:40 AM: The pic of Alan was taken in 1979 by LEE GREENAWALT PHOTOGRAPHY
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 28, 2011, 01:29:16 PM: Ron Zarpentine's late model from the late'60's, pic taken this past week, by me!
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Post by: no74falcon on May 28, 2011, 02:19:52 PM: Nice Brian! Who has the car?
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 29, 2011, 01:34:38 AM: It's at the Zarpentine Farm, in Hilton,NY.
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Post by: uticamike on May 29, 2011, 08:23:22 AM: 65 Galaxy ?
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 29, 2011, 03:36:28 PM: Yes, 1965 Galaxie. Those cars looked so cool, with 15 inch wide tires.
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Post by: lynchmobb on June 01, 2011, 12:02:47 PM: rocket - my wife & I stopped at Zarpentine's earlier in the spring for the pancake breakfast. Ron's Late Model was parked right outside the dining area - pretty cool! I remember seeing that car race at Spencer - did not realize it was still around.
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Post by: Rocket88 on June 01, 2011, 07:11:00 PM: Me too!!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 05, 2011, 09:53:20 AM: Here's a pic from the cover of the DIRT Program of C.D. Coville. My family became familar with C.D. as we parked next to him at Rolling Wheels when Darrell first got into the Modifieds. In those days CD wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. He usually crashed and pretty much ran mid-pack although there was no doubt he was fearless! One night he went in the wall hard and separated his shoulder. The doctors told him he'd be out of racing for at least a month. The car was pretty bad so he went home and started working on it....swinging hammers and such.....a few days later he went back to the Doctor and the doctor said to him,"we have to test your mobility....now gently raise your arm as high as you can, don't stain it or hurt yourself". C.D. said, "like this!" and swung his arm straight up over his head with no problem! Seems all that physical labor on the car was good medicine and I believe he only missed one week of racing and that was mainly because he did't have the dough to get the parts for the car! You'd never believe what he's doing these days..... He's a motor coach driver for a tour bus company...If they ever get behind schedule and have to make up time I bet he's got it covered!!!
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on June 18, 2011, 10:01:29 AM: Here's a photo from the 1972 Schaefer International 100. Sorry the size is so small, I can't seem to get it where I want it

How many can you name?
I see Jimmy Winks in the Bushy #15, behind him (I think) Ray Sitterly #38. Next in line is Little Eddie Rafferty, to the left of him is Jim Rudolph (Charlies father, Erik's Grandfather). Behind him is 14 Harrington (I can't remember his first name) to the right of him is me with Dale and my father walking beside the car, maybe he was nervous, I was.

As a side note, the program I have was the one in which my mother recorded the time trials. Unfortunately I timed right after Kenny Brightbill who sat on the pole. My time was 3 seconds a lap slower! Kenny Shoemaker was next and he was 2 seconds faster than me.
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Post by: Bigdog13 on June 18, 2011, 02:48:43 PM: #14 is Red Harrington and #33 is Frankie Heeman , both were 5MP regulars.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 18, 2011, 03:44:12 PM: Ron Stanton in the 38? Terry Edwards in the 51, 3rd from the back on the left. I have this program (minus the cover). I'll try to do a larger scan tonight.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 18, 2011, 03:49:29 PM: There's also this pic I found online. Notice the guy with the jacket over his arm in both pics.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 18, 2011, 08:36:13 PM: This is probably from a different program since it's cropped different. This is from the 1973 Labor Day Race program. Click for full size. Close the imageshack window when it opens. I need to find a better image host.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 19, 2011, 10:52:41 AM: I think the car to the left of the #38, behind Winks, is the #1 of Mert "socks" Hulbert....On a cold day Socks are better than Barefoot....Bob McCreadie! Sorry but my kids do cal me the King Of Corney Comedy!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 19, 2011, 11:01:27 AM: I believe the #15 was owned by Jim Sincebaugh who built his own awesome motors in his basement. He had some other great drivers who drove for him including Johnny McCardle when the car was #0 and if I'm not mistaken his car was one of the early rides for Danny Johnson. Does anyone have pics of those cars? Also Darrell says I'm in that pic but I must have got cropped out. Actually I have quite a few photos I took at that race weekend from the stands so I'm not sure I was old enough to get in the pits! Here's a pic from the State fair race in the same year. It's Darrell and my Dad either planning race strategy or figuring put the quickest way out of the area in case we out one of the "Hotdogs" in the wall!!! pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 19, 2011, 11:04:21 AM: Here's another 1972 pic I took at The NYS Fair race from the stands. Wayne Ruetimann, Buzzies Brother, in the beautiful coach #3. Pic by Welty. Last thing I knew Wayne was still racing and winning in a pavement Sprint car series down south.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 19, 2011, 11:10:30 AM: Happy Fathers day to all the Dad's out there. Here's one of my favorite pics of my Dad, NORM WELTY, building a Big Block Chevy that would go into one of our Modifieds. Do me a favor and tell your Dad you love him while you can....I miss mine and wish I could tell him face to face. pic by Me.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 19, 2011, 12:05:59 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on June 19, 2011, 11:01:27 AM
I believe the #15 was owned by Jim Sincebaugh who built his own awesome motors in his basement. He had some other great drivers who drove for him including Johnny McCardle when the car was #0 and if I'm not mistaken his car was one of the early rides for Danny Johnson. Does anyone have pics of those cars? Also Darrell says I'm in that pic but I must have got cropped out. Actually I have quite a few photos I took at that race weekend from the stands so I'm not sure I was old enough to get in the pits! Here's a pic from the State fair race in the same year. It's Darrell and my Dad either planning race strategy or figuring put the quickest way out of the area in case we out one of the "Hotdogs" in the wall!!! pic by me.
Chuck Ciprich also drove the 0 for a season or two. I remember him taking a tumble in it at Weedsport in turn 4. And yes, the 15 was owned by Jim Sincerbeaux. He change the number to 0 in 1973. The only pics I have of them are from old programs. I'll see what I can find tonight.

Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there!!!!!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 19, 2011, 03:10:07 PM: This is for my Dad. Happy Father's Day!!!

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MOD27NY on June 19, 2011, 03:58:27 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on June 19, 2011, 11:10:30 AM
Happy Fathers day to all the Dad's out there. Here's one of my favorite pics of my Dad, NORM WELTY, building a Big Block Chevy that would go into one of our Modifieds. Do me a favor and tell your Dad you love him while you can....I miss mine and wish I could tell him face to face. pic by Me.

I hear you Dale... I lost Dad in 2009 and the races just aren't the same anymore.
Dad... I love and miss you... Mark
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on June 19, 2011, 07:29:17 PM: Well, I was bored today, so I decided to document (as best as I can) the Sincerbeaux 0. Can you tell, I'm not a father.

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1973 Weedsport Speedway, Jimmy Winks

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1973 Weedsport Speedway, Jim Shampine

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1974 Weedsport Speedway, Johnny McArdell
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on June 19, 2011, 07:36:01 PM: I found no reference to the car in 1975.

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1976 Weedsport Speedway (early '76) Johnny McArdell

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1976 Weedsport Speedway, Chuck Ciprich

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1976 Weedsport Speedway, Chuck Ciprich flip turn 4. I believe this was the end of this car.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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1976 Weedsport Speedway (late '76), Chuck Ciprich (new car)

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1977 Weedsport Speedway, Sammy Reakes

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1979, Danny Johnson

Not sure about the photographers. All pics from Weedsport/DIRT programs.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on June 23, 2011, 01:21:28 AM: BigFeet13...

THANK YOU! I've been trying to find a decent color shot of Danny in the 0jr. for a while now, and you pulled through.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on June 25, 2011, 02:25:49 PM: Not a problem. Wish I would have known earlier.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on June 28, 2011, 11:38:59 PM: Heres an L.O. Duncan photo from Chemung Speedrome in 1970 or 71. It's my Mom, Eris Welty, with a Powder Puff Division win on the pavement. The car is my brothers second ever racecar. 1957 Plymouth with a 318c.i. mopar motor. We raced this car on the dirt at Dundee on Fridays and on the Pavement at Chemung on Saturdays. The Powder-Puff Division was a regular series and not just a novelty race and some of those "ladies" got around pretty good! Not sure who the starter is so you'll have to help me out on that.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on June 28, 2011, 11:48:20 PM: PS notice the drivers suit my mother has on....pretty much her Sunday best!!!! here's a very grainy one of the powder puff top point getters circa 1967. My Mom is second from the left...need help on who the others are. photographer unknown.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on June 28, 2011, 11:55:16 PM: Last one tonight. Don't have a photo credit and not sure who it is. It's a flat head FORD so probably a Chemung picture from the early sixties. My mind says the driver may be named Hoose but that may be all wet. Some old timers must know so fill us in.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on June 29, 2011, 02:03:39 PM: Brewerton had a regular powder puff division too. I would have loved to see my mom try to drive my dad's late model. She couldn't even get the car started in the front yard one day when I was like 5 years old. ;D
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 05, 2011, 05:22:13 PM: Looking for 1970's and 1980's photos of Ray Dalmata. He had very nice looking cars and equipment. Also any photos of his brother Larry Dalmata in the #644.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bcross on July 06, 2011, 11:49:54 AM: Ray's 643 is in one of the pics that bigfeet13 posted on this page above.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 06, 2011, 07:00:37 PM: Quote from: JGALLANT on July 05, 2011, 05:22:13 PM
Looking for 1970's and 1980's photos of Ray Dalmata. He had very nice looking cars and equipment. Also any photos of his brother Larry Dalmata in the #644.
I have some B&W pics of Ray from racing programs. I don't know if I have any of Larry. Maybe in one of my Gater News Yearbooks. I'll look.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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From the 1975 Gater News Yearbook.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 06, 2011, 09:02:22 PM: Thank you for the Dalmata pics. What year are they from? Would you have a pic Of Ray Dalmata in the #645?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 06, 2011, 09:13:52 PM: They're from the '75 Gater News Yearbook, so they're probably from 1974 or early 1975. I don't think I have one of the 645, but I remember seeing one years ago with three cars in it, 643, 644, 645. But, I don't know where. I'll keep looking though. I have a pretty large Weedsport/Rolling Wheels/DIRT program collection. I know there is more of Ray. He ran Weedsport and Rolling Wheels semi regular back in '76.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 06, 2011, 09:32:46 PM: Thank you again for the info. Looking forward to more pics. In post 1658 is the car on the outside Dave Leckonby #37? Davey Moore in the #6 in the middle? Awesome pic of the action.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on July 06, 2011, 10:56:27 PM: This is a pic from the program around 1977. Wally Burnett in the ex- Jerry Chamberlain Falcon and my Brother Darrell Welty in the 98jr. I think this was taken at Waterloo Speedway judging by the wall.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 06, 2011, 11:42:19 PM: Quote from: JGALLANT on July 06, 2011, 09:32:46 PM
Thank you again for the info. Looking forward to more pics. In post 1658 is the car on the outside Dave Leckonby #37? Davey Moore in the #6 in the middle? Awesome pic of the action.
I believe you are correct.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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1977. Same program also has Wally in the falcon.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 07, 2011, 06:48:37 PM: Here's a few more Ray Dalmata Pics....

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1975, Rolling Wheels

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1976 Rolling Wheels

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1976, Weedsport
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 07, 2011, 09:08:37 PM: Neat Ray Dalmata pics. Is the #26 Frank Mears?. In the last pic, who is the #14 and #57?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 07, 2011, 11:24:14 PM: That is Frank Mears. Brian Stevens in the 14x and Doug Barlow in the 57.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 07, 2011, 11:48:55 PM: Not sure where I found this one. I had it in my race pics folder. I don't know the year.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 09, 2011, 10:43:03 PM: The Dalmata pics are looking good! :) Find the pics if the 3 cars?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 09, 2011, 11:20:03 PM: Sorry, I couldn't find the pic of all three. I thought it might have been in one of my gater news yearbooks, but they weren't.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on July 10, 2011, 10:29:00 AM: That pic of Dalmatta with Frank Mears brings back a lot of old memories. My cousin, Jim King, bought the #26 car and had Frank drive it a few times including the Syracuse qualifier at Rolling Wheels where it was severly damaged in a horrendous front stretch flip and pile up. Frank collapsed vertibrae in his back and Wistlin' Jackie Wilson was burned pretty bad. They clipped a new roll cage onto the car and it became the #0x. Johnny Podolak drove it regularly on the Rolling Wheels - Weedsport circuit. Geoff Bodine drove it at Canadaguia once where I got to bump wheels with him. Then it was sold to Skip Neuman who had a number of drivers icluding Billy Shroth. here's a pic of it in one of it's last incarnations as a coupe #89. It's on Skip's hauler and we're going to Five Mile Point for the Southern Tier 100 where I'm going to drive. Unfortunately I was one spot out in the first Consi which made me first alternate for the big show! Pic by me.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on July 10, 2011, 10:35:02 AM: Here's a pic I took in 1974 at the NYS Fair race at Syracuse. Bobby Botcher was driving the #666. In those days just about everyone ran the Fair race as a tune up for Super-Dirt. I believe it always stayed as a 25 lap sprint. Too bad concerts and demo derbys pulled bigger crowds and took up less space so the Fair Board dropped the races in later years.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 11, 2011, 08:25:11 PM: :) :)SHANGRI-LA MID SIXTIES.
8) 8)
NOT A GRAVEL PIT
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on July 12, 2011, 10:07:04 AM: Quote from: argonrcn on July 11, 2011, 08:25:11 PM
:) :)SHANGRI-LA MID SIXTIES.
8) 8)
NOT A GRAVEL PIT

Used to be a beautiful area before Lopke got his greedy groundhog hands on it... >:(
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: no74falcon on July 12, 2011, 02:55:18 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on July 11, 2011, 08:25:11 PM
:) :)SHANGRI-LA MID SIXTIES.
8) 8)
NOT A GRAVEL PIT

WOW! F-ing fantastic picture! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: justmark on July 12, 2011, 03:27:49 PM: Claychamp123, Your 6/28 picture of the #1 is probably Harold Hoose for the name.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 12, 2011, 06:27:39 PM: STILL HAVEN'T GOT THE FILE SIZE REDUCTION DOWN YET, SO I ADDED THE FULL PHOTO OF SHANGRI-LA TO MY SHANGRI-LA II THREAD ON THE DISCUSSION PAGE.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Mike Rizzo, Brewerton 1970-71. (jakessite.com)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 16, 2011, 01:39:07 PM: Mike Rizzo, Weedsport Speedway, 1971.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 16, 2011, 09:37:08 PM: Per request, Lebanon Valley and Fonda regulars at Weedsport, Rolling Wheels, NYS Fair.

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NYS Fair Labor Day 1972

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Weedsport Speedway 1973

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Weedsport Speedway 1973

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 17, 2011, 12:01:40 PM: The #66 Dennis Taney and #90 George Ely ? Nice Delmolino pics ;)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 17, 2011, 12:59:17 PM: The 66 is Al Golley. He was from my hometown. And, yes, George Ely.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 17, 2011, 01:18:24 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on July 11, 2011, 08:25:11 PM
:) :)SHANGRI-LA MID SIXTIES.
8) 8)
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WAS TALKING ABOUT THE INSIDE TRACK THIS WEEKEND AND WAS TOLD THAT JIM ZACHARIAS GOT HIS FIRST WIN ON THAT TRACK IN THE LATE 50'S.
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1974 NYS Fair Labor Day race.

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1974 NYS Fair Labor Day race.

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1974 Weedsport, Schaefer Qualifier
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 17, 2011, 08:44:02 PM: Help with names - Kenny Shoemaker #50, Maynard Forrette #006, Chuck Ely #115, Sammy Beavers #81, Merv Treichler #58, any idea on outside of Beavers ?

Last pic - Leckonby or Ely ? Who's racing him ? I think I guessed most of them right. Love the pics, it really makes you think of the good ole times in racing.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 17, 2011, 09:00:29 PM: I believe from looking at another pick in the same program, that's Toby Tobias in the 1 on the outside. You are correct about the rest of them (except not sure about the 006). Some pretty good drivers there. I was never a big fan of watching races at the NYS Fair track (even though I live 4 miles from the track). But everyone who was anyone in the Northeast ran there.

That's Chuck Ely in the 115. Not sure who's outside. There was no caption.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: lynchmobb on July 18, 2011, 12:04:45 PM: bigfeet13 - thanks for identifying the #33 as Mike Rizzo. I had that one listed as 'unknown' up to this point. I assume that's the same Mike Rizzo that raced the supers at Oswego?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on July 18, 2011, 03:48:45 PM: Quote from: lynchmobb on July 18, 2011, 12:04:45 PM
bigfeet13 - thanks for identifying the #33 as Mike Rizzo. I had that one listed as 'unknown' up to this point. I assume that's the same Mike Rizzo that raced the supers at Oswego?

Certainly looks like The Rizz behind the wheel...
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 18, 2011, 07:12:23 PM: Quote from: lynchmobb on July 18, 2011, 12:04:45 PM
bigfeet13 - thanks for identifying the #33 as Mike Rizzo. I had that one listed as 'unknown' up to this point. I assume that's the same Mike Rizzo that raced the supers at Oswego?

Glad I could help. Yep, that's the same. My Dad was crew chief on his super in the 70s. I tried to e-mail you (from the website) when I found it, but it bounced back.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Shaefer Qualifier, Weedsport, 1974

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Weedsport, 1976

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Weedsport, 1976
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 21, 2011, 09:27:41 PM: Was the last pic at Weedsport from the Schaefer Qualifier ? Their are some heavy hitters in the picture. They must have drawn a pretty good car count.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 22, 2011, 06:00:38 PM: It's actually the Robert Petrocci Memorial at Rolling Wheels. It was the Labor Day, after the NYS Fair race, so there were a lot of big names in town. The article on the Robert Petrocci Memorial said there were 60 cars. I'll have some more pics next week. I've got a few more programs to go through. Click on the pic, then click on the one that pops up for full size.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 26, 2011, 08:29:28 PM: More Lebanon Valley/Fonda regulars at Weedsport and Rolling Wheels.....

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on July 26, 2011, 09:37:14 PM: *sigh*

Man, I miss those days. I would have been a real young buck back then, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 27, 2011, 08:23:48 PM: TESTING,HOPE I CAN DO THIS.

HERE IS ONE OF MANY SHOTS FROM SHANGRI-LA ARCHIVES BY RICHARD MOSHER

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Admin on July 27, 2011, 08:43:55 PM: I'm looking for the images that are missing...I have 'em.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 27, 2011, 08:45:17 PM: HOPE SO, I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 27, 2011, 09:30:44 PM: Is the coupe in the Art Kiser pic Jack Johnson ? Very neat old pics. It brings back alot of memories. Is the last coupe in the pic Jack Johnson ? Who is in the front coupe and gremlin in the middle of the wreck ? Could the first coupe be Chuck Akulis ?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 27, 2011, 09:34:07 PM: I like the Romano father and son pic. Is their any pics of Andy, Mike, and A.J. together ?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 27, 2011, 10:33:23 PM: still working on posting, but here are some pics from fulton 1970 (by me)

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on July 28, 2011, 12:48:07 AM: Quote from: JGALLANT on July 27, 2011, 09:30:44 PM
Is the coupe in the Art Kiser pic Jack Johnson ? Very neat old pics. It brings back alot of memories. Is the last coupe in the pic Jack Johnson ? Who is in the front coupe and gremlin in the middle of the wreck ? Could the first coupe be Chuck Akulis ?
That set of pics are from 1976 by the way (i forgot to tag them). That looks like it could be Chuck Akulis. The gremlin is Johnny Podolak (I believe a Cagle car?). I think the coupe is Johnny McArdell in the Sincerbeaux 0 (at least that's what it looks like on the roof, Chuck Ciprich replaced him during the season). I don't think I have a pic of all three Ramono's together. I think AJ's rookie year was '79? I'll have to check when I get a chance.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: lynchmobb on July 28, 2011, 12:19:22 PM: argonrcn - in the Bodine/Hoag photo, that looks like Gary Reichert bending over the front of Dutch's car chacking it out. Looks like the Turner #18 Corvair behind Dutch's car.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: thewackyracer on July 28, 2011, 12:40:39 PM: argonrcn, thank you,my kind of cars.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Admin on July 28, 2011, 01:11:22 PM: Thanks for sharing the images....

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 28, 2011, 05:53:19 PM: Quote from: Admin on July 28, 2011, 01:11:22 PM
Thanks for sharing the images....

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BURNT OUT FROM WORK, CANNOT FIND "EMBED THIS IMAGE" ON IMAGE SHACK. IS THIS AN OPTION FOR FREE OR DO YOU HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 28, 2011, 06:03:32 PM: I DON' KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM , BUT NOW FOUND " EMBED TO FORUM"

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RAY HENDRICK AT LANGHORNE(PHOTO BY ME)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 28, 2011, 06:27:02 PM: HERE ARE SOME PAGES FROM SHANGRI-LA RACING NEWS (BY GEORGE)

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 28, 2011, 06:37:02 PM: BACK TO OLD PHOTOS (ALL SHOTS BY ME)
TOMMY LEESON
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RENE CHARLAND

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RAY HENDRICK COUPE

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 28, 2011, 08:07:15 PM: here are a few more from shangri-la racing news (early 1970s) by GEORGE

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note team uniform for latemodel teams in 1971

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WHAT A WRECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on July 29, 2011, 03:08:01 PM: What year was the Rene Charland pic taken ? And where ?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: racewear on July 29, 2011, 03:51:15 PM: Not sure what year but I would say Shangri-La for the all star race .
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 29, 2011, 04:01:55 PM: i have it with my 1970 pics. the only all-star race shangri-la had.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MODiFried on July 29, 2011, 06:51:18 PM: OMG ! /\ was he ok ? thats a terrible crash....
Awesome Pics Stories & History KEEP UP the great work ~ learn so much reading these threads on the Ole School Racin BIG thanks never to old to learn
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 29, 2011, 07:40:00 PM: 1972 4th issue of year. here is whole page. middle pic shows driver watching them scrape up the mess.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 29, 2011, 08:07:30 PM: HARD WEEK AT WORK, BUT WATCHING TRUCKS ON SPEED AND I THOUGHT I WOULD ADD SOME PICS FROM 1968. I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT IMAGESHACK COMPLETELY,BUT I THINK IF YOU DOUBLE CLICK THESE PHOTOS, YOU CAN SCROLL THRU ALL SHOTS I HAVE UPLOADED. (ALL SHOTS FROM MY LITTLE INSTAMATIC.)

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MODiFried on July 29, 2011, 08:43:14 PM: wow unbelievable...yep id be giving thanks for Hoags Roll cage ~ for sure...saved his life
hey i see the ole 8~Ball there 8)
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Post by: thedoebes on July 30, 2011, 09:08:33 AM: Nice photos.Lot of great memories.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MH on July 30, 2011, 12:46:07 PM: Thanks for the memories!

I vaguely remember the 1970 All-Star race at Shangri-La and Ray Hendrick coming from nearly a lap down to finish 2nd, I think??
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on July 30, 2011, 01:27:04 PM: BEEN TO EVERGREEN SEVERAL TIMES, NEVER MADE IT TO SUNDANCE, TRYING MOUNTAIN SPEEDWAY TONIGHT. WAITING FOR RIDE SO HERE ARE SOME PROGRAM COVERS FROM SHANGRI-LA 1972.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on July 31, 2011, 10:13:42 AM: Back on page 68, I think the car on the outside in the Syracuse shot is Chuck Akulas in the Pink Pather #3 Pinto. It's also the car in the front of the Weedsport Jingle the the Ciprich / Sincebaugh zero involved. Look at the little hood / air cleaner protector....I always thought it looked pretty classy on that car. DALE. Here's a pic of the Cozze #44 I snapped at Syracuse around 1973. Not sure who was behind the wheel at this time! Maybe Frank was racing by then.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on July 31, 2011, 10:17:41 AM: Here's our rig at the Syracuse race . I think this is 1972. We were pretty classy with color coordinated hauler and all. Of course Darrell Welty at the wheel. Notice the "keep on Truckin" sticker across the back deck.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 01, 2011, 05:12:48 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on July 31, 2011, 10:17:41 AM
Here's our rig at the Syracuse race . I think this is 1972. We were pretty classy with color coordinated hauler and all. Of course Darrell Welty at the wheel. Notice the "keep on Truckin" sticker across the back deck.
Is this car the old 331? I thought I read that somewhere.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on August 01, 2011, 11:09:23 PM: Yeah, our families first big block Modified was the former Jim Carol owned, Greame Bolia driven #331. Here's a cmposite of the before and after pics. Came with a 396 chevy in it. Dale
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on August 01, 2011, 11:11:39 PM: Here's another of a win at Shangrila. Smith photo.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MODiFried on August 01, 2011, 11:40:22 PM: all i can say is SWEET !...Great Pics ~ this Thread is NY Racing GOLD
LOVE the 72 Rigg/Hauler Champ is that a Dodge Crew Cab i see 8)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: YetAnotherDW on August 02, 2011, 10:48:24 AM: Quote from: MODiFried on August 01, 2011, 11:40:22 PM
all i can say is SWEET !...Great Pics ~ this Thread is NY Racing GOLD
LOVE the 72 Rigg/Hauler Champ is that a Dodge Crew Cab i see 8)

Yes it is a Dodge, it started life as a Schuyler County road crew truck, we bought it used and painted it to match. It was standard (of course back then not many trucks had automatics) and had a slant 6 in it.
I remember one memorable trip to Brewerton when they were running on Thursday nights, the clutch quit working just after we left rt 81. We made it to the track and when we left Dad started it in gear and shifted without a clutch for a short distance before it stopped altogether with the center broken out of the clutch. We called Bob Teed (see the Teed's elsewhere on RaceNY) who drove up and towed us with a chain (Truck - chain - truck - trailer) back to Montour Falls, where I spent the first part of the day replacing the clutch and the afternoon working on the car to get ready for Rolling Wheels.

Darrell
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 02, 2011, 12:01:43 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on August 01, 2011, 11:09:23 PM
Yeah, our families first big block Modified was the former Jim Carol owned, Greame Bolia driven #331. Here's a cmposite of the before and after pics. Came with a 396 chevy in it. Dale
Sweet. I don't remember it as the 331 (a little before my time), but I certainly remember the 2x.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 02, 2011, 05:58:29 PM: Here are some pages from 1973 Shangri-La Racing News.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 02, 2011, 08:01:22 PM: HERE IS THE 331 IN 1968. GRAEME WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES AND ALSO A VERY NICE PERSON.

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Graeme Bolia
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Post by: no74falcon on August 03, 2011, 05:45:41 AM: Argonrcn... You posted all the Shangri-La covers from '72 except the one with my father on it! Well, maybe a couple others too. But thanks for the photos! ;D
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on August 03, 2011, 11:52:17 AM: Quote from: argonrcn on August 02, 2011, 08:01:22 PM
HERE IS THE 331 IN 1968. GRAEME WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES AND ALSO A VERY NICE PERSON.

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Graeme Bolia

Always liked that car, and from what i can remember from when I was little he was a good guy. Is Graeme still around? Last I heard he was still living in or near Constantia.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Shamrock 3x on August 03, 2011, 12:03:45 PM: Does anybody have a pic they can post of Dutch Hoag's 1st Camaro? I think it was totalled the 1st time out at Shangri-la, but I never saw a pic of it. Anyone?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 03, 2011, 12:13:30 PM: no74falcon, I'm sure i have that cover at home. these already on imageshack

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: modcrew18 on August 03, 2011, 03:12:59 PM: Does anyone know if the street version of the Loescher #88 still exists. Used to love seeing that going down the road
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Post by: Rocket88 on August 03, 2011, 07:08:01 PM: Last I knew, Danny Wilmes has it.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 03, 2011, 07:15:16 PM: Quote from: modcrew18 on August 03, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Does anyone know if the street version of the Loescher #88 still exists. Used to love seeing that going down the road

Haven't seen the #88 street car in along time,but saw this at Oswego last year.
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Post by: argonrcn on August 03, 2011, 07:19:13 PM: HERE IS EARLIEST PIC OF DUTCH'S CAMARO THAT I HAVE.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 04, 2011, 01:05:23 AM: A few pics I took at Weedsport, 1979. As you can tell, a photographer I was not. In my defense, I was 13.

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Walt Mitchell and Tony Vickio (I think)

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Mike Colsten, Brian Stevens, Mike Romano

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Andy Romano

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Will Cage (yes, I was the Cagle fan. There might have been another, but I didn't hear it)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 04, 2011, 05:37:13 AM: The other car with Walt Mitchell might be Bill Best in the 50.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Shamrock 3x on August 04, 2011, 10:50:13 AM: Argonrcn,

Thanks for the Dutch Camaro pic, but that's the one I have seen already. I'm real familiar with that one, but my understanding is there was another Camaro that preceded it. I never saw it, but I heard it was destroyed the first time out. Maybe it had full front fenders and maybe still in primer? IDK, but thought soomeone on here might be able to shed some light.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 04, 2011, 11:18:50 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on August 04, 2011, 05:37:13 AM
The other car with Walt Mitchell might be Bill Best in the 50.
I'm pretty sure Bill Best had a light blue #50 in 1979. I had a picture of his car in the pits. I'm pretty sure it was either Tony Vickio or maybe Ike Connelly. I had it written in my old scrapbook (which I can't find). It was either the #16 or #17. I guess it would have been easier if I knew how to shoot pictures back then, or if I didn't loose a bunch of pics, programs and my Will Cagle autograph while moving in the late 80's.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 04, 2011, 12:38:34 PM: This car appears to be orange and white. I remember Vicchio driving a pewter and orange colored 15 Chevelle, similar to Llyod Holt's modified, but hey... I don't remember everything :) And by the way - if you've got more old late model pictures, I hope you post them. I think the late models were the reason I've always had a special place in my heart for Street Stocks.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MH on August 04, 2011, 06:13:02 PM: Shamrock 3x, concerning Dutch Hoag's Camaro that you are asking about, as I recall it debuted opening night 1968 at ShangriLa. The second week it was destroyed in a crash. A coupe was then very quickly built to replace the Camaro, as I remember.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 04, 2011, 06:20:47 PM: BigFeet13...

When you said Ike Conley, that got the wheels turning. I'm pretty good friends with Ike's daughter and new son in law. I'm going to send them a PM on facebook to see if she can't persuade her dad to get off some of the old pictures. I'll keep you posted...
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 04, 2011, 08:54:32 PM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on August 04, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
BigFeet13...

When you said Ike Conley, that got the wheels turning. I'm pretty good friends with Ike's daughter and new son in law. I'm going to send them a PM on facebook to see if she can't persuade her dad to get off some of the old pictures. I'll keep you posted...
That would be great. I used to love the late models. I lost a lot of my old pics. I might have a couple more late model pics. Anything else I have would be from old programs. I still have a lot of them. I used to get Ike Conley mixed up with Tony Vickio because Tony used to be #16, but when he came back Ike was already #16, so Tony changed his number to 17. I think the 15 that kinda looked like Lloyd Holt's paint scheme was Paul Holic (sp). I really don't know how I remember a lot of this stuff when I have a hard time remembering what I did yesterday.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 04, 2011, 11:38:09 PM: I was a HUGE fan of the late models. In fact, I liked them a little better than the modifieds as a kid, and I really resented the 320 Mods for squashing out the late models. The only problem I ever had with the late models was the bumpers. I remember back in '77 when Waterloo opened. The late models always had trouble in turn 2 because of the width of their cars and they'd lock bumpers and get tangled up in the wooden guardrail quite often. I used to get annoyed from how long it took to cut the cars apart all the time.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 05, 2011, 01:03:33 AM: Some Late Model action from Brewerton Speedway

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My Dad's late model #43x, a 61 Chrysler. Probably my Uncle driving it. If anyone can date these pictures, I would be eternally grateful. My Dad's fuzzy about what year it was. Since I vaguely remember my Dad driving the car at Weedsport once, I'm guessing between 1969-1971.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 05, 2011, 02:07:55 AM: Through the process of deduction...

The ambulance in the infield is a '69 Cadillac. It's also missing the left front hubcap, leading me to believe that it isn't new. There are no leaves on the trees yet, and everyone in the stands are wearing light jackets meaning it's chilly and probably early May. Scratch 1969.

From the Brewerton website, Doug Zupan is saying that racing was on friday nights, starting at 8:30. This looks like a heat race and a lot earlier than 8:30 to me - especially since it's May and the lights aren't on. Scratch 1970.

New management takes over the speedway in '71, running specials only. The crowd looks like what you might expect for a special afternoon show. I'm going with 1971.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 05, 2011, 12:27:16 PM: That certainly makes sense. I would've been 5 years old, so I would've had some vague memories. It couldn't have been '72, that's the year he started wrenching for Mike Rizzo. Now to find some old Weedsport/Brewerton programs from '71. Thanks!!!! I'm usually pretty good at dating pictures. If they were Weedsport pics, It would've been much easier.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 05, 2011, 04:53:23 PM: It also couldn't have been 1972 as that was the year they put a racing surface on it, and covered it with dirt ;D Excuse me while I duck from all the beer cans that are about to get thrown at me!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 05, 2011, 05:29:30 PM: I thought that was '73.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 05, 2011, 07:26:29 PM: Nope, you were right. i should've looked at the Brewerton website. I knew they had a speedway history there. That was the beginning of the end for the paved tracks in upstate ny. Fulton wasn't far behind.
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Walt Mitchell loosing an engine, while leading, coming down for the white flag, 1979.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 05, 2011, 10:04:09 PM: Here are some not so good pics. 1979

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John Podolak, Jim Jarvis?, Will Cagle (SCR car). Must be hot laps since I don't remember Cagle actually racing the SCR car.

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Alan Johnson, Mike Colsten

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Here's a tough one. Mark Livingston, Terry Kincaid, ?, Dale Welty, Will Cagle?, Eddie Rafferty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 06, 2011, 09:25:13 AM: To me it looks like Livingston, possibly Darrell Welty in the 711, Andy Romano, then definately Dale Welty, Will Cagle, Ed Rafferty, That car on the outside looks like one of those flat sided central pa gremlins similar to the Mushroom #60 car MeMe Desantis used to drive but he wouldn't be at Weedsport. Isn't revealing that we can look at the cars and nearly identify each driver by the basic shape & color of the car. Take a long fuzzy shot of some modifieds today and you'd have no idea who was who. I think this lack of personality between the cars is one reason racing has lost some of it's popularity....even on the cup scene. Cookie cutter cars and cookie cutter tracks are ruining racing.....I always liked brownies better anyway! Here's another fuzzy pic I took at syracuse in 72....you name them! DALE
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 06, 2011, 11:15:34 AM: I completely agree. 1979 was the last full season we went to races. We went to a few a year until '87, but by the I had definitely lost interest. If the cars didn't have different paint jobs and numbers, there was no way to tell them apart. I think the only coupes left in '79 were Mark Livingston and Steve Podolak.

Let's see if I can guess a couple of them. '72 was a year before the first time I went to a fair race. Harry Peek in the 27? Don Diffendorf's s360. That orange coach on the inside looks familiar,but I'm drawing a blank.
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Post by: bakes on August 06, 2011, 11:36:14 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on August 06, 2011, 11:15:34 AM
I completely agree. 1979 was the last full season we went to races. We went to a few a year until '87, but by the I had definitely lost interest. If the cars didn't have different paint jobs and numbers, there was no way to tell them apart. I think the only coupes left in '79 were Mark Livingston and Steve Podolak.

Let's see if I can guess a couple of them. '72 was a year before the first time I went to a fair race. Harry Peek in the 27? Don Diffendorf's s360. That orange coach on the inside looks familiar,but I'm drawing a blank.
White K46 Valiant is the Schloder owned car, not sure who was driving it at that point; think Kerry was still too young.
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Post by: JGALLANT on August 06, 2011, 07:06:01 PM: 1972 SYRACUSE RACE DRIVERS - Mike Grbac #K46 , Don Diffendorf #S360 , Harry Peek #27, Dick Clark #16x [orange coach], Ken Shoemaker #124. Guess on yellow coupe in front- Ken Moore #60x.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: 24KC on August 06, 2011, 07:17:00 PM: The red gremlin on the outside @ Weedsport Charlie Castle?
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 06, 2011, 07:31:03 PM: I'm racking my brain out here and I have a possibility for the flat Gremlin... How about Donnie Wetmore in the M1? As for the other red Gremlin, Rick Jefferies maybe? Just throwing out possibilities here...
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on August 06, 2011, 07:33:07 PM: 1972 Syracuse drivers - Will Cagle #24 [white coupe in front row], Better guess on yellow coupe is Stan Ploski #24.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 06, 2011, 08:40:55 PM: Quote from: 24KC on August 06, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
The red gremlin on the outside @ Weedsport Charlie Castle?
That's probably it. I used to have all the drivers written down in my scrapbook.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 06, 2011, 08:45:45 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on August 06, 2011, 08:02:32 PM
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#5. Billy Blum in the Paul Bowker 54? Roger Burdick drove the 54 later. Any pics of Roger (my Dad's boss)?
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Post by: argonrcn on August 06, 2011, 09:47:21 PM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on August 06, 2011, 08:45:45 PM
#5. Billy Blum in the Paul Bowker 54? Roger Burdick drove the 54 later. Any pics of Roger (my Dad's boss)?

HAD TO GO BACK (1972) TO FIND ANY ROGER BURDICK PAGES.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 07, 2011, 12:30:17 AM: Thanks!!!!! A few guys will get a kick out of these. I don't think he raced much past '73. Lynchmob has a pic of his pinto at Oswego in '73. He did promote one year at Brewerton ('75 I think). He doesn't really acknowledge his racing past much.
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Post by: Rocket88 on August 07, 2011, 05:14:54 AM: Don't remember a Pinto, but Roger had a Gremlin.
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Post by: MOD27NY on August 07, 2011, 10:04:36 AM: I remember the Falcon , the coupe and the Pinto. I don't ever recall Roger having a Gremlin
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Post by: JGALLANT on August 07, 2011, 11:00:06 AM: In the #1773 Shangra-La 1973 champion pic, is the #3 Eddie Pieniazek ?
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Post by: lynchmobb on August 07, 2011, 11:27:10 AM: I think Wally Spry was in the #39. I remember that #178 but cannot place the name (Vinsingard???)
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Post by: lynchmobb on August 07, 2011, 11:31:11 AM: Here's the Burdick Pinto
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Post by: argonrcn on August 07, 2011, 11:32:04 AM: Quote from: JGALLANT on August 07, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
In the #1773 Shangra-La 1973 champion pic, is the #3 Eddie Pieniazek ?

YES EDDIE P. GREAT RUNNER AT SHANGRI-LA THAT YEAR.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 07, 2011, 11:36:57 AM: HERE IS ANSWERS TO DO YOU REMBER 1974

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Rogers Gremlin at Fulton from the '73 Gater News Yearbook.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 07, 2011, 08:14:12 PM: Quote from: Shamrock 3x on August 03, 2011, 12:03:45 PM
Does anybody have a pic they can post of Dutch Hoag's 1st Camaro? I think it was totalled the 1st time out at Shangri-la, but I never saw a pic of it. Anyone?
SHAMROCK3X I TALKED WITH A GENUINE DUTCH HOAG EXPERT A FEW HRS. AGO. HE DOES REMEMBER AN EARLY CAMARO. STILL 71 OR 72. HE THINKS IT WAS A PRIVATE TEST AT SHANGRI-LA. FLAT OR SOMETHING BROKE, DESTROYED ON 4TH TURN WALL. HE WILL LOOK TO SEE IF HE HAS A PICTURE.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: orange16 on August 07, 2011, 10:32:23 PM: argonrcn - When Allen Clark was looking for pictures of his Dad, he was looking for Al Clark, who drove the #48 and #74 modifieds back in the day. I sure did appreciate the pictures of my Dad though. That's Randy Hedger working on the right front of the coupe. Thanks for all the great stuff you've been posting.

Duncan Clark
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 07, 2011, 10:50:12 PM: Quote from: orange16 on August 07, 2011, 10:32:23 PM
argonrcn - When Allen Clark was looking for pictures of his Dad, he was looking for Al Clark, who drove the #48 and #74 modifieds back in the day. I sure did appreciate the pictures of my Dad though. That's Randy Hedger working on the right front of the coupe. Thanks for all the great stuff you've been posting.

Duncan Clark

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 07, 2011, 11:13:03 PM: HERE ARE A FEW OTHER PAGES FROM SHANGRI-LA PROGRAMS WITH AL CLARK ON THEM
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 07, 2011, 11:31:34 PM: HERE ARE A COUPLE PAGES WITH AL CLARK FROM 1971.

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LOOKS LIKE FIRST YEAR? (NO BAD INTENTIONS)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 08, 2011, 08:12:59 PM: Here's another blurry action shot from Weedsport 1979. I'm sure of a couple. Let the guesses fly.

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Post by: no74falcon on August 08, 2011, 09:20:12 PM: argonrcn... Thanks so much for sharing the photos with Dad in them. Although Duncan and his family are not related to us, I feel very fortunate to have had the other Clark family involved with our Clark family throughout the years as Dick will always be one of my biggest racing heros. The photo with Dad in Willie's Pinto and Dick in the 'Cuda is a truly a favorite. Thanks again.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 09, 2011, 12:34:08 AM: the last 3 cars...

Danny Johnson, 0jr.
Darrell Welty, 81
Either Fran Bohne, E-1 or Ron Baker, 74 (same car)

The first car looks like it could be Larry Radney in the 96. The 2nd car could be Harry Sittler in the 37 - but those are just guesses.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 12:40:23 AM: Your right on 1 and 3. Darrell was driving the 711 that year I believe. I don't know who the last 2 drivers are. I'm iffy on the second driver.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 12:53:18 AM: A little photoshop work on the pic.

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I think your right with the last driver being Ron Baker. I thought Terry Kincaid behind Larry Radney.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 09, 2011, 05:40:34 AM: I brought your photoshop helped picture into photoshop myself to play with the hue, satuaration, contrast, brightness and sharpness levels. The car ahead of Danny Johnson is number 16. Jan Oakes maybe? I don't remember Terry Kincaid in an all white car. Not to say she didn't, just saying I don't remember it is all. That's definitely Ron Baker in the last car - he bought it from Fran Bohne. The car between Baker and Johnson is number 14 and I have no clue who it might be.
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Post by: Greg Birosh on August 09, 2011, 09:53:21 AM: Bob, you may know better having done all the photoshop tricks, but that yellow car looks like an 18 to me, which would probably be the "Bad Banana" Rick Hoctor. I remember him having the white wheels for a while, and also making the weekend trips down from the Ransomville area to run Canandaigua and Weedsport. Just a guess.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 10:18:08 AM: Yeah, she had a nice new Bushy car for 1979. It was actually off white. I remember Rick Hoctor coming down and running Weedsport fairly often. I just don't remember what his car looked like. Thanks to everyone for the guesses. Like I said, I used to have them all written down in a scrapbook, which is long gone.

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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 09, 2011, 10:25:02 AM: I don't remember that car - but I do the two beside her. Tom Hager and Steve Podolack. :) And Greg... I brought that picture into my video edit program and played with it some. You could be right on Hoctor.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 10:37:02 AM: It would have made it easier if I had a better camara back then (I think it was a 110 with a flip flash, don't laugh) ;D. And, if a was a better photographer.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on August 09, 2011, 11:15:25 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 12:40:23 AM
Your right on 1 and 3. Darrell was driving the 711 that year I believe. I don't know who the last 2 drivers are. I'm iffy on the second driver.

When I first looked at it, I put the first car as Terry Kincaid in the coupe but these eyes are getting old and it is very blurry.

The last car is definitely the Fran Bohne car and I don't remember him running Weasleport much so it was probably Baker.

Sad that now with a blurry picture you could not make that determination because they all look the same.

Darrell
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 09, 2011, 12:00:18 PM: Quote
It would have made it easier if I had a better camara back then (I think it was a 110 with a flip flash, don't laugh) . And, if a was a better photographer.

Don't beat yourself up over it. I've got close to 200 hours of video tape that I shot back as far as 1988 that I'm not particularly proud of either. Some of it is bad because I was just learning how to shoot video and didn't know what all the settings were for. Then other video is bad because I didn't know how to shoot. You can literally get seasick watching some of it. And then some of it is bad because video cameras were brand new technology back then, and the image quality sucks. It's not until about the end of 1990 that I started getting better.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: modcrew18 on August 09, 2011, 12:16:35 PM: Quote from: Greg Birosh on August 09, 2011, 09:53:21 AM
Bob, you may know better having done all the photoshop tricks, but that yellow car looks like an 18 to me, which would probably be the "Bad Banana" Rick Hoctor. I remember him having the white wheels for a while, and also making the weekend trips down from the Ransomville area to run Canandaigua and Weedsport. Just a guess.

I've been helping Rick for about 25 years and was a fan before that and as much as I love the old pics from those days, I just dont think that looks like any of the body configurations he had. I dont think he ever did do white wheels, I'll ask him when i see him.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 06:25:14 PM: I've been combing through my '79 programs. It's definitely not Rick Hoctor. The body style doesn't match up. I'm stumped. I'm having a hard time remembering that many yellow cars. George Ely it's not. Mark Livingston was a coupe. Denny Plank? Doesn't look like a 77x. Don't kill yourselves guys. It really isn't that important. I'm very obsessive compulsive. It is nice to be able to rule people out though. Now a days you couldn't do that. Thanks for helping out though.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: no74falcon on August 09, 2011, 06:37:08 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on August 07, 2011, 11:13:03 PM
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The top set of photos has my dad, Dick Clark, Wayne Edwards, and another car, on the bottom of that page. Who is the other car?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 07:37:03 PM: This was posted on Youtube a couple weeks ago. Weedsport feature 1980. The audio is bad.

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Post by: argonrcn on August 09, 2011, 08:19:26 PM: NO74FALCON:

The top set of photos has my dad, Dick Clark, Wayne Edwards, and another car, on the bottom of that page. Who is the other car?
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I THINK IT IS THE NO 54 PINTO OF ROGER BURDICK. LAST NO IS A 4.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 08:26:46 PM: Yeah, that looks like Roger's pinto.
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Post by: no74falcon on August 10, 2011, 06:35:35 AM: Thanks guys.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: modcrew18 on August 10, 2011, 11:56:36 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on August 09, 2011, 06:25:14 PM
I've been combing through my '79 programs. It's definitely not Rick Hoctor. The body style doesn't match up. I'm stumped. I'm having a hard time remembering that many yellow cars. George Ely it's not. Mark Livingston was a coupe. Denny Plank? Doesn't look like a 77x. Don't kill yourselves guys. It really isn't that important. I'm very obsessive compulsive. It is nice to be able to rule people out though. Now a days you couldn't do that. Thanks for helping out though.

No problem, in fact, we aren't killing ourselves, we're LOVIN' IT
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 10, 2011, 03:54:48 PM: BigFeet13...

That yellow car finished like 6th or 7th in the video link you posted. The guy who posted it is Lou Lazzaro's son Dan I believe. I talk to him from time to time of DTD... I wonder if he doesn't have the order of finish somewhere in his scrapbook since Lou won?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 10, 2011, 05:15:25 PM: I think that is Lou's son that posted that. I think that yellow car is George Ely. The car in the pic looks a lot like his car. But his car was #9. Maybe it is and the blur just makes it look like a different number.

I wonder if I was there? I only went a few times in '80. I think he had another clip of Lou in '76. I definitely would've been there then.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 14, 2011, 08:17:59 AM: I'll add to the Roger Burdick parade. Here's one of his beautiful coupe on the hauler. I snapped this at Langhorne in 1971. Dale
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 14, 2011, 08:21:31 AM: here's a picture I took trying to be alittle artsy and abstract. Took this standing on the tire rack of the trailer in our driveway at 111 Owego St, Montour Falls.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 14, 2011, 08:42:39 AM: Here's a full shot of that car at our garage ready for the new season. It's 1972 and we're all ready for lettering. But we had no sponsors so Darrell and I probably painted that number on by tracing around a cardboard stencil of the number "2" that my sister had made by her highschool art teacher in 1962. We had a separate stencil of #2 and #7 as my Dad was usually #27 and once #72. I think I still have the stencil number two somewhere in my garage....you may see it when I'm featured on the TV show "Hoarders". If you look at any of the old pics of our family race cars it's always the same style numbers that we would trace around and then paint in with rustoleum white. One year the coupe had Darrell's name stenciled on and I think the second year we sent away for a sticker of his name. Of course back then sticker numbers were considered unprofessional.....now everythings vynal unless you can afford a wrap! I don't think it was until 73 or 74 that we began having Tony Vickio do our lettering. I often lettered my own cars including several seasons of my SuperStock and last years Enduro car. They look OK unless you get to close. As my father in law used to say, "good enough for who it's for".
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on August 14, 2011, 08:57:45 AM: Last one for today...gotta get ready to head up to WGI for the boring high-speed parade! This was in the Gator news. Once again the Ex-Carrol/Bolia coupe in a crash at Rolling Wheels. I believe Sam Carista spun and Darrell only had those old Buick Drum brakes so Sam got a face full of Blue Coupe and model "a" front axle. Darrell always jokes about that frist modified season that we found and used up every FORD Model A axle in the seven surrounding counties of our home. The car had cross buggie springs for suspension on split wish bones front and rear. The heighth of technology! It's funny but the next car we had was inboard KONI coil overs with cantilever arms on the front. Goober Schiedel once joked to us about the huge leap in technology that we had made in one season although the rear suspension on our second modified was stll just longitudinal Chrysler style leaf springs. Not sure of the photo credit on this one. Sorry, I see it's by Dick Tanner from the Gator.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 14, 2011, 11:56:22 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on August 14, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
Last one for today...gotta get ready to head up to WGI for the boring high-speed parade! This was in the Gator news. Once again the Ex-Carrol/Bolia coupe in a crash at Rolling Wheels. I believe Sam Carista spun and Darrell only had those old Buick Drum brakes so Sam got a face full of Blue Coupe and model "a" front axle. Darrell always jokes about that frist modified season that we found and used up every FORD Model A axle in the seven surrounding counties of our home. The car had cross buggie springs for suspension on split wish bones front and rear. The heighth of technology! It's funny but the next car we had was inboard KONI coil overs with cantilever arms on the front. Goober Schiedel once joked to us about the huge leap in technology that we had made in one season although the rear suspension on our second modified was stll just longitudinal Chrysler style leaf springs. Not sure of the photo credit on this one. Sorry, I see it's by Dick Tanner from the Gator.
I went to Brewerton friday night, and at 81 years old, Slammin Sammy Carista's driving a four cylinder super stock. My Dad almost fell over.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 15, 2011, 12:51:40 AM: Per request. The only AJ Romano pic I could find. Rolling Wheels 1979. Sorry about the quality. My main PC is down, and I don't have all my editing tools on this laptop.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 15, 2011, 12:56:01 AM: Btw, nice pic of Roger's coupe. That was the nicest of all the cars he drove.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 20, 2011, 01:38:54 AM: Some Late Model action. Weedsport Speedway, 1973. (Russ Mills, photographer)

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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 21, 2011, 11:05:29 PM: The 7a in the first pic is Harold Secord. Primarily a Dundee and Chemung regular. Here's a pic from L.O. Duncan a few years earlier on the Pavement at Chemung Speedrome in his 57 chevy. He's racing Mike Casterline for the win in a heat race.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 22, 2011, 08:34:19 PM: I always liked Harold Secord. I think he ran like 3 seasons at Weedsport. He was always strong and I believe won a feature or two.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: uticamike on August 22, 2011, 10:06:42 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on August 06, 2011, 08:02:32 PM
NO RACING, SO HERE ARE SOME PAGES FROM 1974 SHANGRI-LA PROGRAMS.
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Austin, Thanks for the ride in the way-back machine. On the 5th page down is the Shang program with Diff on top and Denny McNally
under. Denny (a great guy) was a fireman in the city of Oneida. I crewed on the 11 which was the last LM fielded by Randy Hedger before
he went to Mods. The car was #1 when Denny got it we just added the extra 1 to make the 11 and my buddy and I painted the stars
and stripes on the red paint. (Denny never really liked it). Down 2 pages in the lower left is the result of Denny and Mr. Jim getting together going into 1. I'll never forget it. The 71 ended up in the trees , destroyed, we had only a broken ball joint and a RF flat.
I'll never forget seeing a very ***** JZ and a posse coming down the pits looking for Denny. He was sheetin and I was wondering
how I was going to fare in my first ever pit fight. Luckily (for me) no punches were thrown. Jim called Denny every name in the book all
the while Denny was apologizing. Funny thing was, people were coming up later to say it wasn't Denny's fault, just a racing deal. That is
what I thought too. Jim was king of the Lates then (and D. Ellis) and Denny didn't ever drive over his head. If anything he was too conservative. Denny later sold the 11 to Dick Finnerty. Boy those were some good days down there at Shang. Thanks .
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: no74falcon on August 23, 2011, 07:04:47 AM: Thanks for the story UM... How was the ride?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: uticamike on August 23, 2011, 07:58:02 PM: 18.25 best lap. FunFunFun x 100. Fast holy S was it fast. Every wanna be in the stands should do the ride-a-long. Your sitting mere inches off the track at 135+ going into 3 and have to see around the inside wall. WTF. anybody who thinks this driving thing is easy is Nuckin' Futs. Thank you Keith Gilliam, thank you Roy Sova, thank you Oswego Speedway Staff. Gonna do it again.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 23, 2011, 09:51:25 PM: Austin, Thanks for the ride in the way-back machine. On the 5th page down is the Shang program with Diff on top and Denny McNally
under. Denny (a great guy) was a fireman in the city of Oneida. I crewed on the 11 which was the last LM fielded by Randy Hedger before
he went to Mods. The car was #1 when Denny got it we just added the extra 1 to make the 11 and my buddy and I painted the stars
and stripes on the red paint. (Denny never really liked it). Down 2 pages in the lower left is the result of Denny and Mr. Jim getting together going into 1. I'll never forget it. The 71 ended up in the trees , destroyed, we had only a broken ball joint and a RF flat.
I'll never forget seeing a very ***** JZ and a posse coming down the pits looking for Denny. He was sheetin and I was wondering
how I was going to fare in my first ever pit fight. Luckily (for me) no punches were thrown. Jim called Denny every name in the book all
the while Denny was apologizing. Funny thing was, people were coming up later to say it wasn't Denny's fault, just a racing deal. That is
what I thought too. Jim was king of the Lates then (and D. Ellis) and Denny didn't ever drive over his head. If anything he was too conservative. Denny later sold the 11 to Dick Finnerty. Boy those were some good days down there at Shang. Thanks .
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THANKS FOR THE STORIES. ALTHOUGH I WAS THERE FOR EVERY RACE FROM 1965 THRU 1974 MID SEASON, THE 70'S ARE A BLUR BECAUSE I WAS ON A QUEST TO KILL EVERY BRAIN CELL POSSIBLE. THESE PROGRAMS ARE A GREAT REMINDER OF HOW GREAT RACING WAS BACK THEN. ONE STORY THAT I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF IS THAT I WAS A PASSENGER IN A SHOPPING CART AT LANGHORNE,THE LAST YEAR, DRIVEN BY CECIL KING. THEY TELL ME WE WERE UNDEFEATED EVERY TIME WE RACED. OH' WELL HERE ARE A FEW SHANGRI-LA PROGRAM PAGES FROM 1971. HOPEFULLY THERE ARE MORE IF YOU DOUBLE CLICK WHICK WILL OPEN IMAGESHACK. DAMN IF I CAN DO THIS, I GUESS I HAVE'NT WIPED OUT ENOUGH BRAIN CELLS YET.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: uticamike on August 23, 2011, 10:53:57 PM: Can't put a name to the 87 vega and the 35 Limited ( Blane Barnhardt was 36 )
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on August 23, 2011, 11:33:50 PM: UTICA MIKE. LOOKING FOR INFO. HERE IS ONE TO LOOK AT FOR NOW.

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Post by: argonrcn on August 23, 2011, 11:40:34 PM: UTICA MIKE:

#87 BRIAN ROSS

#35 HARRY WHITE

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: no74falcon on August 24, 2011, 06:20:48 AM: Thanks Argonrcn. The top photo with the cover of the yearbook has Dad in Willie Seamon's Falcon, then Sonny Seamon, then Dick Clark. I found an old Stock Car Racing magazine with a photo just like this, but must have been taken a few laps later as Sonny was gone (I'm guessing he past Dad), Dick Clark was right behind Dad, and Dutch Hoag was behind Dick.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: no74falcon on August 24, 2011, 12:09:03 PM: Quote from: no74falcon on August 24, 2011, 06:20:48 AM
Thanks Argonrcn. The top photo with the cover of the yearbook has Dad in Willie Seamon's Falcon, then Sonny Seamon, then Dick Clark. I found an old Stock Car Racing magazine with a photo just like this, but must have been taken a few laps later as Sonny was gone (I'm guessing he past Dad), Dick Clark was right behind Dad, and Dutch Hoag was behind Dick.

That was "passed", not "past" lol Not awake yet I guess.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 24, 2011, 01:45:28 PM: LMAO :D Hey Allen? The difference between past and passed...

Past is the fart someone else left in the room. Passed is the one you just left. Either way, it's all good. :) It's the misused 3 variations of "to" and "there" that drive me nuts.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 24, 2011, 10:23:49 PM: Quote from: uticamike on August 23, 2011, 07:58:02 PM
18.25 best lap. FunFunFun x 100. Fast holy S was it fast. Every wanna be in the stands should do the ride-a-long. Your sitting mere inches off the track at 135+ going into 3 and have to see around the inside wall. WTF. anybody who thinks this driving thing is easy is Nuckin' Futs. Thank you Keith Gilliam, thank you Roy Sova, thank you Oswego Speedway Staff. Gonna do it again.
Back in the mid 70s that would have put you on the front row. Sounds like a great time. I really need to get back up there.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: uticamike on August 24, 2011, 10:32:04 PM: 18.25 is a decent Modified time but believe me if I went a second faster (like a current Super) my inexperienced butt wouldn't know the difference. It was F'ing fast is all I know. To think Chris Perley has a sub 16 lap at Oswego is just mind numbing. Definitely worth doing for sure.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 25, 2011, 12:19:22 AM: An 18 is still 125 mph average. A 16 is like 140 mph. That's insane. I'm assuming the sub 16 is with a wing, but still. I remember when Shampine and the rest were flirting with a sub 18. I always had a dream to drive one when I was younger, but I don't think I'd have what it takes now. I am glad to hear they've had good car counts, and crowds this year.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on August 29, 2011, 11:05:06 PM: Here's a pic of Al Scutt's super-speedway Modified at Daytona. Don't know if maybe Chuck Ciprich may have been behind the wheel. I think this is in 1979. Photo by me.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on August 30, 2011, 12:01:36 PM: This is 1977. In the interview he briefly mentions running Daytona. I'm not sure if he ran it in 1979.
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Post by: Tigerpaw333 on August 30, 2011, 05:43:08 PM: any one got a picture of charlie hoddick car for the early 90s
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: justmark on August 30, 2011, 10:28:34 PM: You're going to have to narrow it down unless you want all of the #94 rides.... Charlie Hoddick drove a Street Stock, Sportsman and Modified by 1994.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Tigerpaw333 on August 31, 2011, 08:10:16 PM: @mark either sportsman or modfied trying figure what driver was for the car my grandfather put me in a@ airport truck auto was bright orange open wheel car not sure what class but this would have been when shop was still on cayuga rd .
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on August 31, 2011, 10:11:34 PM: Now that you say 1977, I think that may have been 1979 at Daytona. They only ran the Modifieds around the whole track instead of on the road course for two years I think. Here's another pic from the same year so that should date it. Evans on the front row with Waltrip right behind!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 01, 2011, 12:11:26 AM: Richie's driving a '78 Camaro, I believe, so that is probably '79. There was a discussion on HAMB a while back about the car. I actually think someone posted your picture there. I'll look for the thread tomorrow.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2011, 09:58:16 PM: Here's another one I took in 79 at Daytona. Pit stop action with Bodine in the Armstrong #1 Mustang full bodied car. Actually looks like practice action. Pic by me.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2011, 10:01:19 PM: Here's #50 spinning on pit road. Does anybody have who was in the #50 in the 79 race. Must have been after Ernie Gahan's time! Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2011, 10:03:29 PM: Richie Evans comes onto pit road during the 79 Daytona Modified race. Pic by D.W. Note state of the art fire apparatus!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2011, 10:08:15 PM: Here's Bobby Allison in the Hornet bodied Modified but I think this pic was from the last year the Mods ran the road course at Daytona. I don't remember Allison being in the race at all in 79 although Joe Miliken may have been driving an Allison entry that year if my memory is correct. pic by Dale
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 01, 2011, 10:50:36 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2011, 10:01:19 PM
Here's #50 spinning on pit road. Does anybody have who was in the #50 in the 79 race. Must have been after Ernie Gahan's time! Pic by me.

This site has the 50 car, and a guess on who it is (Tim Williamson), and also the finishing order. Bobby Allison was in the race. Great pics by the way. I love seeing those full bodied mods. I never got to see one in person.
http://www.realracinusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2590 (http://www.realracinusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2590)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 01, 2011, 11:01:13 PM: Here's the results with car numbers.

http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/race.php?raceid=3827 (http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/race.php?raceid=3827)

Listing of all the races at Daytona

http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/racelist3.php?trackid=81 (http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/racelist3.php?trackid=81)
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Post by: Frasson118 on September 02, 2011, 02:26:32 PM: I think the spinning # 50 was Jimmy Insolo from California. That was his traditional "look", although it was normally a #51 car. Ran with guys like Ivan Baldwin, Tim Williamson, Ron Esau, Hershell McGriff, Joe Ruttman, etc...

As for the #40 car, it is indeed Chuck Ciprich.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Frasson118 on September 02, 2011, 02:28:42 PM: Also, in the Richie Evans picture, the 75 on the outside was driven by (I believe) Alan West... who I'd never heard of before... or since...!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on September 04, 2011, 08:10:11 AM: Here's #29 from the Daytona Modified race in 79. No idea of the driver, I just liked the Dodge Datona / Superbird nose! Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 04, 2011, 08:12:55 AM: This is Gary Balough in the #30 from the Daytona Mod race. This was another of the very similar full bodied Camaro's that ran that race. Eyans, Balough and Waltrips cars were all similar and all very fast! pic by Dale Welty.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on September 04, 2011, 08:19:44 AM: I've posted this before and people seem to like this crazy full bodied Gremlin. As someone commented before it looks like a Gremlin rear-ended a Camaro at high speed! My favorite full bodied Modified that ran Daytona was the ex-Buzzie Reutiman, Jack Duffy 37 Chevy coupe which was the last pre-war coupe to ever race in competition at Daytona. I'm sure I took a picture of it but I haven't found one yet. It ran in the road race version of the Modified race. Would anyone else have a pic of it? If so please post it! Photo by me.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on September 04, 2011, 08:23:39 AM: I don't think this was from the Modified race but it's a pretty impressive fire-ball from a Daytona crash. Sorry for the long distance shot but I couldn't afford thos $400 lenses! pic by Dale
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 04, 2011, 11:25:05 AM: Those are great pics. I'd love to see the coupe if you find it. According to the race results, the 29 is Joe Thurman and the car is listed as a Dodge Duster. I always thought the Duster was a Plymouth. The #46 Gremlin must not have made the race. They really too liberties with the bodies. Unfortunately they could never do that now.
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Post by: argonrcn on September 04, 2011, 12:41:15 PM: here is the coupe at daytona (from stock car magazine.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 04, 2011, 06:36:07 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on September 04, 2011, 08:23:39 AM
I don't think this was from the Modified race but it's a pretty impressive fire-ball from a Daytona crash. Sorry for the long distance shot but I couldn't afford thos $400 lenses! pic by Dale
The Sportsman race? The crash that Don Williams died from years later? I believe that's Joe Frasson's car that was rear ended and burst in to flames. That happened in the Saturday sportsman race. There's videos of it on youtube.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 04, 2011, 06:42:03 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on September 04, 2011, 12:41:15 PM
here is the coupe at daytona (from stock car magazine.
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Post by: Frasson118 on September 04, 2011, 10:06:56 PM: A couple of interesting things about that last shot:

The 0 car is actor Paul Newman, entered that day as P.L. Newman.

Jack Duffy in the ex-Buzzie Reutimann Coupe still races regularly in a TQ Midget in Southwest Florida. Buzz Reutimann also races regularly, and last night brought 2 cars to Ocala Speedway, for himself and for son David who flew in from Atlanta after qualifying.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 05, 2011, 09:54:46 AM: Thanks for finding the coupe! It's great! Here's a pic of Evans leadingt Waltrip late in the 79 race at Daytona. pic by Dale Welty, all rights resmurfed.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 05, 2011, 12:39:12 PM: Dale...those shots are smurftastic
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 06, 2011, 11:01:53 PM: Here's one from 1972 Daytona. It's Linda Vauhn (sp) better known as Miss Hurst Shifter!!! I think my Dad shot this as it's a slide from a 110 instamatic . She sure was popular back in the day. Maybe not as popular as Richard Petty but a close second!
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Post by: argonrcn on September 06, 2011, 11:45:37 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on September 06, 2011, 11:01:53 PM
Here's one from 1972 Daytona. It's Linda Vauhn (sp) better known as Miss Hurst Shifter!!! I think my Dad shot this as it's a slide from a 110 instamatic . She sure was popular back in the day. Maybe not as popular as Richard Petty but a close second!

RICHARD WHO????
I REMEMBER, SHE GOT A LOT OF COVERAGE BACK THEN. BACK TO REALITY. NAME THE FAMOUS PEOPLE IN THESE PICTURES!!!!
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WELL, NOT ALL FAMOUS, BUT I STILL HAD TO POST SOME HOOTERS GIRLS.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 07, 2011, 10:16:00 PM: Must be Dutch Hoag in the Coach. Looks like Ben Stevens back in the middle of the turn but it's a long way over there! Brand new wall and serface on the track!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 07, 2011, 10:19:25 PM: This is from 1972 at Daytona. I think this may be from the Permetex 300 Sportsman race. Does anyone know the #50? Even by 1972 standards that tow truck looks pretty old.....might be Mater himself!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 07, 2011, 10:29:16 PM: Here's one from the 1979 Daytona Speed Weeks. This might be from the Twin Qualifier and not the 500. Petty, Pearson and Waltrip crash off turn four down into the catch-all barrier where so many ended up and several nearly cleared and almost flew into the garage area, Ricky Rudd for one. It's a lot safer since they paved this area and reshaped the retainer area! Pic by DALE
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Post by: Torpedotom on September 08, 2011, 12:02:37 AM: A much belated "thank you" to Al Clark for the Shangri-La program reprints a couple pages back. First it was great to see old friend Dave Hocking from 1972 when he drove the #88 for my good friend David London. Shame it's a crash. Then it was nice to see some pics of the #5 of Larry Edwards (1971) which was the #50 my Dad had in 1970 which was the last car built by Dick Mangus (#35 with drivers Norm Macelreath & Mike Miller - 1969).

Thanks for the smile Al.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on September 08, 2011, 07:45:00 AM: Claychamp,

What made you think it was Dutch in the coach shown in post #1863? Looks like one of Ozzie's #81s to me. Would Dutch have been driving it for some reason? Just curious, as I don't ever remember that scenario.
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Post by: argonrcn on September 08, 2011, 08:42:39 AM: Quote from: Shamrock 3x on September 08, 2011, 07:45:00 AM
Claychamp,

What made you think it was Dutch in the coach shown in post #1863? Looks like one of Ozzie's #81s to me. Would Dutch have been driving it for some reason? Just curious, as I don't ever remember that scenario.

1966 PHOTO, COACH IS LEE OSBORNE. IF YOU LOOK CLOSE YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF FLARE ON THE COUPE BEHIND. THAT IS PROBABLY THE #18 OF DUTCH. THE PERSON ON LEFT WAS WHO I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS DEAN HOAG. AND OF COURSE FRAN GITCHELL ON THE FLAGSTAND.
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Post by: leadfoot4 on September 08, 2011, 05:19:45 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on September 08, 2011, 08:42:39 AM
1966 PHOTO, COACH IS LEE OSBORNE. IF YOU LOOK CLOSE YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF FLARE ON THE COUPE BEHIND. THAT IS PROBABLY THE #18 OF DUTCH. THE PERSON ON LEFT WAS WHO I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS DEAN HOAG. AND OF COURSE FRAN GITCHELL ON THE FLAGSTAND.

You saw race cars in that post????

:o
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Post by: argonrcn on September 08, 2011, 05:35:18 PM: Quote from: leadfoot4 on September 08, 2011, 05:19:45 PM
Quote from: argonrcn on September 08, 2011, 08:42:39 AM
1966 PHOTO, COACH IS LEE OSBORNE. IF YOU LOOK CLOSE YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF FLARE ON THE COUPE BEHIND. THAT IS PROBABLY THE #18 OF DUTCH. THE PERSON ON LEFT WAS WHO I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS DEAN HOAG. AND OF COURSE FRAN GITCHELL ON THE FLAGSTAND.

You saw race cars in that post????

YEA, ONLY CAUSE I POSTED IT. !!!! MIDI MILLER, MS. DIRT 199? AT SUPER DIRT WEEK. I REMEMBER IT WAS COOL AND DAMP AND IN THE LOW FORTYS. I DON'T KNOW WHO WON THE RACE. THE OTHER SHOT WAS AT POCONO IN THE EARLY 90'S.

:o
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Post by: Rocket88 on September 08, 2011, 06:30:26 PM: Torpedo Tom: I thought Mike and Norm drove the #86??
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Post by: leadfoot4 on September 08, 2011, 06:55:36 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on September 08, 2011, 05:35:18 PM
YEA, ONLY CAUSE I POSTED IT. !!!! MIDI MILLER, MS. DIRT 199? AT SUPER DIRT WEEK. I REMEMBER IT WAS COOL AND DAMP AND IN THE LOW FORTYS.

Good shot!

I knew the young lady looked familiar, but just couldn't remember her name. Wasn't she married to Scott Bloomquist for a while?
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Post by: argonrcn on September 08, 2011, 07:52:28 PM: Good shot!

I knew the young lady looked familiar, but just couldn't remember her name. Wasn't she married to Scott Bloomquist for a while?
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Yep she was married to Scott. Here is a shot of her and Cecil King at Philly in 05. There was a reunion of like 15 or so of past Ms. Dirt winners . I had trouble getting a shot of the racecar, cause the girl in pink wouldn't move. And of course more Hooters girls. Boy at least I am not getting bored , waiting for the flood to get over!!!!

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: leadfoot4 on September 11, 2011, 08:26:10 AM: Midi still looks really good, but that "bleached blonde" hair...... ::)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 11, 2011, 10:52:57 AM: Back to Chemung Speedrome. Cal Lane takes the victory in his #220 "BUG". He's congratulated by Eli "Junior" Bodine with the winners trophy. Photo by L. O. Duncan.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 11, 2011, 10:54:52 AM: Cal "swivel" Lane comes off the track at Chemung after a race in his #220. Photo by Darrell Welty. Looks like possibly a rain or fog situation.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 11, 2011, 10:58:44 AM: Cal Lane with yet another victory. This may be from Dundee Raceway instead of Chemung. No Photo credit on the back of the original but most of my Bug pics are by L.O. Duncan.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 11, 2011, 08:53:04 PM: It's 1975 and this is Norm and Eris Welty's two car garage at 111Owego st, Montour Falls, NY. The car on the right is my brother Darrell's #2x, a four coil-over kneisel high-Rail Gremlin bodied Big Block Modified. On the left is my mount, the #2. A former Pete Cordes 37 Chevy coupe. It had quarter eliptic leaf spring front suspension and full traverse leaf rear suspension. A manual saginaw steering box with no quickener ( 3 and a half very hard turns lock to lock) Buick drum brakes all the way around and an International Scout frame. Engine was a stock bore Chevy 427 built by my Dad. The car was a good runner in it's day but was kinda like bringing a knife to a gun fight when I had it although it did gave me some valuable seat time and went good enough for me to win a heat race in my rookie season at Canandaguia Speedway. I was 16 and a total rookie in any kind of race-car so I think the other drivers were just too scared to pass that squirelly blue coupe in that heat race! Both cars were our traditional Baby Blue. Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 11, 2011, 08:56:06 PM: Here's the progression from Cordes Coupe to #2 Blue Duece. Photo's by Russ Mills, Don Romeo and me.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 12, 2011, 11:54:28 AM: I remember the car in both colors. The pic on the upper right ended up on a 1974 Weedsport program. I remember Pete was very consistent in the car. I had to look back at the final points at Weedsport because I thought he had finished 2nd in the points with that car. I was right. I don't believe he won a race that year either (at Weedsport). Quite a few good young rookies in that 2 or 3 year period.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 19, 2011, 11:08:21 PM: Per request. Fonda regulars, Jack Johnson, Dave Lape, Lou Lazzaro at Weedsport. (Russ Mills Photos, Weedsport Programs)

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1971

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1972

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1972
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1973

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1973

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Post by: JGALLANT on September 20, 2011, 09:00:08 PM: Help with other drivers in the Jack Johnson photos. My Guess is Harry Peek #27x,Frank Mears #26, Will Cagle #24.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 20, 2011, 10:27:58 PM: Big Bill Madison in the spun #6 losing a wheel. John Fisher in the 98jr Coach. George Ely in the #90 coupe and it's Stan Friesens #52 maple leaf coach with maybe Lloyd Holt at the wheel? Here's a pic from the Gator News featuring a young Mike McLaughlin. Photo by Russ Mills.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 21, 2011, 12:32:14 AM: I should've posted the captions. I wasn't sure anyone wanted to venture a guess first. That is Harry Peek in the 27x. The 10 is Bob Weigand, 26 is Frank Mears. The caption says Johnny McArdell in John Fisher's 98jr. And that is Stan Friesen in the 52. He won the Track Championship that year, I believe without winning a race.

I'll have some from '74 in a few days. My elbow is a mess, and playing around in photoshop kills it for some reason. Maybe next week I'll post some Weedsport program covers from the early 70s.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 21, 2011, 12:35:16 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on September 20, 2011, 10:27:58 PM
Here's a pic from the Gator News featuring a young Mike McLaughlin. Photo by Russ Mills.
Gee, Steve Podolak's the old man there (not really, but compared to the other 3), driving the old Cagle coupe. I remember Steve's old orange Coach #57 in the early 70's.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 21, 2011, 02:46:14 AM: I kind of like the photos without the captions in a way because you can't cheat your memory by reading the text below the picture.
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Post by: JGALLANT on September 21, 2011, 07:45:22 PM: Looking for who is in the #28 in behind Dave Lape's #22.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 21, 2011, 10:10:12 PM: Ron Hall in the #28
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on September 22, 2011, 08:37:16 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on September 21, 2011, 10:10:12 PM
Ron Hall in the #28

A 1973 Show Car engineering tube frame (first year they were legal on dirt circuit) under that corvair body. It became a baby blue gremlin for the next two years and carried me to my first modified feature win at Canandaigua in '75.

BTW, did you notice the two carbs on the Harry Peek car?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 22, 2011, 02:04:18 PM: Quote from: YetAnotherDW on September 22, 2011, 08:37:16 AM

A 1973 Show Car engineering tube frame (first year they were legal on dirt circuit) under that corvair body. It became a baby blue gremlin for the next two years and carried me to my first modified feature win at Canandaigua in '75.

I didn't know that ended up being your gremlin. I read in one of my programs (or maybe somewhere else), that Ron ran a stock motor in it.
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Post by: rsk1139 on September 22, 2011, 05:19:27 PM: I think Ron Hall was from Batavia. He once raced this car on the pavement at Lancaster Speedway. I remember he cut thru the infield in turns 1 & 2 and threw the car sideways like he was on dirt.
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Post by: JGALLANT on September 22, 2011, 09:13:52 PM: Does anyone have photos of Jack Johnson's older brother Joe Johnson ? Through his career he drove a cream color #32. Joe passed away this pass June at the age of 68. Looking for some C.D. Coville pics as well. Thank you for the photos Bigfeet13.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 22, 2011, 11:03:15 PM: The only pic of Joe Johnson I have is from the '75 Gater News Yearbook. Not sure who the photographer is. Probably from the '74 season.

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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 22, 2011, 11:19:32 PM: A few more of the Fonda guys, 1974. And, a little trivia.

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Can you name the three 22's.

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Not Will Cagle in the 24. Hint...His son ran Cup in the 90's and was (or still is) a commentator.

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Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 22, 2011, 11:49:58 PM: I can't name all three 22's, but the top picture - far left is Dave Lape. And I'd be interested in knowing more about the far right 22 (middle car - center picture). I'd be willing to be that it was a former Dutch Hoag car.
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Post by: JGALLANT on September 23, 2011, 06:04:42 AM: The middle #22 is Gary Iulg. The #15 is Lloyd Holt.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on September 23, 2011, 06:13:58 AM: My guess is Ed Spencer,Sr. in Will Cagle's #24. Jimmy Spencer's father.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 23, 2011, 11:14:43 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on September 22, 2011, 11:49:58 PM
I can't name all three 22's, but the top picture - far left is Dave Lape. And I'd be interested in knowing more about the far right 22 (middle car - center picture). I'd be willing to be that it was a former Dutch Hoag car.
The third 22 is Roy Schenk. I don't know the history of the car. Maybe Darrell or Dale would know. I never really thought about it looking like a Dutch car. Dutch only ran Weedsport a couple times. I did see him run at Fulton a couple times, and maybe Oswego, but that was after he had the coupe.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 23, 2011, 11:18:59 AM: Quote from: JGALLANT on September 23, 2011, 06:13:58 AM
My guess is Ed Spencer,Sr. in Will Cagle's #24. Jimmy Spencer's father.
That's a good guess, but no. Hint #2...Think USAC/Indy.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on September 23, 2011, 11:37:51 AM: Wally Dallenbach
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 23, 2011, 12:22:03 PM: Quote from: Shamrock 3x on September 23, 2011, 11:37:51 AM
Wally Dallenbach
Bingo!!!! I believe he was in town to run the Salt City 100.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on September 23, 2011, 06:13:09 PM: I took a shot at Cagle's #24. Who is in the #26 next to Holt's #15 ? I saw a Roy Schenk at Syracuse in the early 80's. He drove a #01 pinto. Is the other #22 Gary Iulg ? I have alot of photos from the Schaefer Syracuse races. I think I have Roy Schenk's #01 from 80 or 81. The photos are from 1980 - 1985.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 23, 2011, 08:29:43 PM: The 26 is Frank Mears. That is Gary Iulg in the Gil Bruss 22. I think in '75 or '76, Roy drove a Mustang bodied modified #1x. I don't remember much of him after that. I only went to a couple races in '77 and '78.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 23, 2011, 08:36:54 PM: A couple of young rookies from 1974, who are still actively racing today. Obviously they had better days. As a matter of fact, I saw both of them at Brewerton last month, and both finished in the top 6.

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Post by: JGALLANT on September 23, 2011, 08:58:24 PM: The #14 is Alan Johnson. Bottom photo of the #42 is Pat Ward. Guessing of course. I don't know the #36 or #13.
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Post by: thedoebes on September 23, 2011, 10:03:52 PM: The 42 is Pats dad Bud.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 23, 2011, 10:22:56 PM: Actually that is Pat Ward. Bud had a modified that looked similar (both had mustang bodies and were numbered flying 42). The 13 is Jim Jarvis, who I believe was modified rookie of the year at Weedsport in '79. I think Pat was a rookie in the modifieds the same year.

The other pic is Alan Johnson spinning in front of CNY racing legend Bobby Cain.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 23, 2011, 10:30:10 PM: Next week I'll post some of my program covers (Weedsport/Rolling Wheels/DIRT). I won't bore everyone by posting them all (I have about 100), but I'll post a couple of the older ones.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 24, 2011, 12:55:38 AM: I'm loving this. I like that the captions are cut out so that you can't cheat your memory. I'm not going to reply to all, but I'm definitely paying attention. :)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on September 24, 2011, 09:17:45 AM: I wouldn't mind SEEING all of the covers.These mystery drivers are fun to guess. Keep them coming :D
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on September 24, 2011, 10:16:43 AM: ANYBODY GOT A PICTURE OF RICHIE EVANS FLIPPING ON THE FRONT STRETCH AT WEEDSPORT IN THE LATE SIXTIES OR EARLY SEVENTIES!!!! I WAS THERE SITTING LOW IN THE PIT GRANDSTANDS AND SAW IT, BUT THAT'S ALL I REMEMBER. I THINK FULTON RAINED OUT OR WAS OFF FOR SOME RASON, SO EVERYBODY THAT WANTED TO RACE OR SEE RACING HEADED TO WEEDSPORT.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 24, 2011, 11:31:13 AM: Richie didn't run Weedsport that many times. He has 1 win at Weedsport, in '71. It probably happened before my program collection starts (1972). I don't have much memories from before '72 (I was 6), so I'd guess '71 or before. The first big flip I remember (and one of my first vivid memories) was in '73 when Walt Ellison almost ended up in our lap near the turn 1 grandstand. And I used to have a picture of that. It was on the front page of the gater news.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 24, 2011, 12:44:53 PM: Take a look at argonrcn's avatar and then Roy Schenks pictures in this thread and tell me if that isn't the same car. Roy was from Naples, and Dutch was from Naples at one time. Possible?
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don't know photographer.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Jay Mooney on September 24, 2011, 02:31:59 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on September 24, 2011, 10:16:43 AM
ANYBODY GOT A PICTURE OF RICHIE EVANS FLIPPING ON THE FRONT STRETCH AT WEEDSPORT IN THE LATE SIXTIES OR EARLY SEVENTIES!!!! I WAS THERE SITTING LOW IN THE PIT GRANDSTANDS AND SAW IT, BUT THAT'S ALL I REMEMBER. I THINK FULTON RAINED OUT OR WAS OFF FOR SOME RASON, SO EVERYBODY THAT WANTED TO RACE OR SEE RACING HEADED TO WEEDSPORT.

Not a very good pic, but here's one from the front page of a very worn Gater News dated June 16, 1971
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 24, 2011, 02:48:48 PM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on September 24, 2011, 02:31:59 PM

Not a very good pic, but here's one from the front page of a very worn Gater News dated June 16, 1971
The date of the gater news is interesting. Richie's only Weedsport win is listed as June 20, 1971.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on September 24, 2011, 11:14:53 PM: HERE ARE SOME GEOFF BODINE PHOTOS AND THE NEW REPLICA TODAY AT SLII.

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2011 GLAD HE DIDN'T MESS IT UP TO BAD. UPPER A-FRAME AND OTHER BENT FRONT END PARTS
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: railbird steve on September 25, 2011, 02:53:34 AM: when you post the dirt programs, can you post any dundee- woodhull articles, photos too? thanks!!!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 25, 2011, 04:00:22 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on September 24, 2011, 02:20:54 PM
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don't know photographer.

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russ mills photo

Looks like a dead ringer to me. :D
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 25, 2011, 04:12:36 AM: argonrcn...

I am impressed. The Bodine replicar is about the most accurate replica as any I've ever seen. With the exception of very few subtle differences, you'd never know that the old and new versions weren't the same vehicle. Got any more details about the car? I'd like to see it in person, but my race schedule for the balance of 2011 is booked pretty solid.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on September 25, 2011, 08:53:27 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on September 25, 2011, 04:12:36 AM
argonrcn...

I am impressed. The Bodine replicar is about the most accurate replica as any I've ever seen. With the exception of very few subtle differences, you'd never know that the old and new versions weren't the same vehicle. Got any more details about the car? I'd like to see it in person, but my race schedule for the balance of 2011 is booked pretty solid.

CHECK EARLIER PAGES OF THIS THREAD. MANY SHOTS OF IT BEING BUILT.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 25, 2011, 11:33:55 AM: Yeah, the Bodine replica looks great. My favorite asphalt mod of all times.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Frasson118 on September 25, 2011, 06:50:55 PM: The only difference I can see between the Hoag/Schenk car, is 3 drill holes on the roof support on the 7, while there are 4 on the 22.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 25, 2011, 06:56:21 PM: If you really look close on the Hoag car, there is four holes. The grass in the background makes it hard to see.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on September 25, 2011, 07:52:10 PM: THE #7/#22 HOAG -SCHENK CARS ARE PROBABLY THE SAME BODY. IN THAT TIMELINE IT WAS ALSO OWNED BY BUTCH HARRIS IN 1970 AND 1971.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 26, 2011, 01:05:21 AM: Not to turn this into a Dutch Hoag thread, but I'm trying to figure out when he retired and where the last car went that he owned/drove. I've always wanted to talk to him, but I've also been told that he hates doing interviews. With all the questions I'd have, he'd probably see it that way.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: kt on September 26, 2011, 09:58:55 AM: Bob, the last year Dutch ever raced was in 1978. I know this because I was fortunate enough to get to race with him in my rookie year. The Turner Brothers bought a new Troyer car that year for Dutch to drive at Spencer Speedway. I can't tell you where that car ended up however......Dutch is one of the most easy going approachable men I have ever met...... He might not enjoy interviews, but is real easy to talk to..........kt
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Jay Mooney on September 26, 2011, 12:51:23 PM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on September 26, 2011, 01:05:21 AM
Not to turn this into a Dutch Hoag thread, but I'm trying to figure out when he retired and where the last car went that he owned/drove. I've always wanted to talk to him, but I've also been told that he hates doing interviews. With all the questions I'd have, he'd probably see it that way.
I think Dutch had several different “retirements’ through the years. I know he came back in ’78 driving for the Turner Brothers as kt just mentioned. However, he did race the opening weeks of the 1979 season at Shangri-la Speedway driving son Dean’s Troyer-built #7. On opening night he won a heat race and was leading the 75 lap feature when it was red flagged on lap 23 due to curfew.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Jay Mooney on September 26, 2011, 12:52:33 PM: When that 75 lap feature from opening night was restarted the following week, Dutch led until lap 45 when Wayne Edwards passed him. Edwards held on for the win, but Dutch almost got back around him on the last lap. That same night, during the regularly scheduled feature, Dutch suffered a flat left rear. Not sure where he finished though.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Jay Mooney on September 26, 2011, 12:54:20 PM: Week three at Shangri-la in 1979 was Dutch’s final time behind the wheel I think. Dutch drove a Troyer-built Pinto and I want to say it was still Dean’s #7 but it had been sold to someone in NJ or something like that and re-numbered #11. Maybe it was different car and he was just shaking it down for someone? I can’t remember. I don’t have the results from that feature, but I think that would have been Dutch’s very last car and last time behind the wheel.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on September 26, 2011, 01:36:03 PM: W/r/t Wayne Edwards' #20, that car was eventually repaired (following Wayne's big wreck with it) and driven by Rich Rafferty at Shangri-La as the white with dark green K21. Rich may still have the car as far as I know.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: YetAnotherDW on September 26, 2011, 02:59:29 PM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on September 25, 2011, 04:12:36 AM
argonrcn...

I am impressed. The Bodine replicar is about the most accurate replica as any I've ever seen. With the exception of very few subtle differences, you'd never know that the old and new versions weren't the same vehicle. Got any more details about the car? I'd like to see it in person, but my race schedule for the balance of 2011 is booked pretty solid.

The restorer Bob Ripley's uncle is TK McLean who was part owner of the original. I think it was built in his barn / garage and Rip has many pictures of the ongoing construction. So the car is not just close, it should be exactly the same (within how well you can measure on a blown up picture). He even had some of the original parts (like original spoiler) that were replaced in later years.

Rip will probably answer this himself later.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Roy Schenk coupe is the Dutch Hoag coupe, as someone else stated, they live in proximity to each other in the finger lakes of ny.

Darrell
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 27, 2011, 12:30:16 AM: I blocked out the names, but most are pretty easy. Weedsport photo's by Russ Mills. Rolling Wheels programs I believe are B&B. DIRT photo's are mostly listed on the program (Russ Mills or Dave Lukowski).

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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THANK YOU!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: batz motorsports 27 on September 27, 2011, 07:29:50 AM: 4 jonny podalok 7up carl nagle i think he is 70 or 71 years old raced at penn cann this year. 11t dennies taney
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: kt on September 27, 2011, 09:08:57 AM: Thanks for the update and story Jay.......It is actually really nice to know that. It was indeed a thrill to race with one of my childhood heroes. It was painful however, to see the Dutchman/Turner Bros. struggle through the '78 season. I feel a little better now knowing that Dutch went out on a competitive note...........kt
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: justmark on September 27, 2011, 03:52:30 PM: If the 5/5/79 Shangri-La Modified main event was indeed Dutch Hoag's last feature, he finished tenth. George Kent in the Smales #41 won over Richie Evans, Dave Nichols, Jerry Cook, Sonney Seamon, Mark Newton, Gail Barber, Brett Bodine, Wayne Edwards and Dutch.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 27, 2011, 10:17:23 PM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on September 27, 2011, 03:43:44 AM

THANK YOU!
Not a problem. I think it's the only one I have with Dennis on the cover.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 27, 2011, 11:22:04 PM: I am assuming you read my post on DTD about Dennis being one of my favorite Late Model drivers back in the '70s. If not, it's an eerie coincidence because the post was just a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 28, 2011, 12:34:53 AM: No, that was coincidence. I haven't been over there in a while. I was huge Late Model fan as a kid. Although I was a Walt Mitchell fan, I really liked Denis. He seemed to come out of nowhere at Weedsport in '74, and was a front runner right from the beginning. He's certainly one who is missed. I'll scan the Profile from that program tomorrow and post it.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 28, 2011, 01:07:43 AM: I wouldn't mind having it. I was more of a late model fan as a kid than I was a modified fan for one reason... I hated seeing the same driver win every week (still do), and Will Cagle won a ton of races in the '70s. Walt Mitchell won a lot of races too, but not nearly as many as Cagle did. I was also a big Jeff Kappesser fan, and a fan of Jerry Knox. I think the late models from the '70s is why I liked the early days of the Pro Stocks so much.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on September 28, 2011, 01:29:17 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on September 28, 2011, 01:07:43 AM
I wouldn't mind having it. I was more of a late model fan as a kid than I was a modified fan for one reason... I hated seeing the same driver win every week (still do), and Will Cagle won a ton of races in the '70s. Walt Mitchell won a lot of races too, but not nearly as many as Cagle did. I was also a big Jeff Kappesser fan, and a fan of Jerry Knox. I think the late models from the '70s is why I liked the early days of the Pro Stocks so much.
Cagle won quite a few. I probably saw at least half his 84 wins at the Port. I may have a Kappy program or two laying around. Don't think I have a Jerry Knox. The Late Models were great. Bushy, Bill Roese, Colsten, Updike, Secord, all those guys. I used to beg my Dad to take me to the NYS Late Model Championship every year even though it was in the middle of the week, and he was supposed to be working on the Super. He usually did though. Racing was never the same for me when Weedsport went to Small Blocks in the early 80's.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 28, 2011, 02:45:58 AM: The Late Models were awesome. Chet Ward, Jim Gabriel, Tony Vecchio, Chuck Watson, Tommy Wilson, Carl Game, Roger Phelps, Jack Emerson, Jerry Ward (Honkin' Padre), Keith Lippincott, Jim Converse, Dick "Crash" Nash, Carl Nagle, Ron Merithew, Dick and Kenny Gamlin, Harley Turner, Roger Bower, Danny Rizzardo, Wally Burnett, Don McGinnis, Mark Elliott, Bill and Ken Updike, Jim Jarvis... I just loved Late Models. There were lots of nights in the early to mid '70s when the Late Models outnumbered the Modifieds. And I was with you all the way. When Glenn introduced the 320 Modified, it dismantled the Late Models almost immediately.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: justmark on September 28, 2011, 03:19:50 AM: Tony Vickio was a dirt Late Model driver who ventured onto the asphalt at Shangri-La with brief and very limited success in 1979 that included flipping the Dale Marion #21 Modified out of the park, and Tony Vecchio was an asphalt guy.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 28, 2011, 03:39:47 AM: I didn't know the spelling of his name and guessed. Oops! :D
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: roman61 on September 28, 2011, 05:17:26 AM: anyone have old pics of Chemung (asphalt & dirt) I used to have a bunch from the 60s and 70s but lost em all in 97 to a house fire. Bob Frisbie,Pat Judson,Chuck kennedy,Roger bower, I've seen many on here but would love to see a bunch more. Even the big Indian,,,Ike Edminster,,or Chubby Chandler, Herbie Green And Billy (the Kid) griffins red blue with white stars. they were some others but to many to name,,,,,,Sharpsteen,Chapman, floyd pond,even a bodine or 2. and who could forget Larry Catlin of south waverly,pa. Please if you have some ,,post them please. thanks to you all ,,this is the best thread on here.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: justmark on September 28, 2011, 06:47:35 AM: Billy Griffin with his "stars and stripes" #18 ride circa 1976: Unknown photographer/courtesy of Mike Rought
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: YetAnotherDW on September 28, 2011, 10:05:46 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on September 27, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
I am assuming you read my post on DTD about Dennis being one of my favorite Late Model drivers back in the '70s. If not, it's an eerie coincidence because the post was just a couple of days ago.

Dennis was one of my favorite people to talk to in the pits. He always had great stories and sayings, some I still use today 30 some yrs after his death.

Darrell
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on September 28, 2011, 08:17:41 PM: Larry Catlin at Chemung early 60's
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on September 28, 2011, 08:21:22 PM: Russ Tubbs at Chemung early/mid 60's-----Russ died in an accident at Chemung in this car.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on September 28, 2011, 08:25:10 PM: Harry Ely at Chemung early/mid 60's
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: justmark on September 29, 2011, 06:19:21 AM: Russ Tubbs, Jr.'s fatal Chemung accident was on September 29, 1963 (48 years ago today); he was only 25 years old.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Bigdog13 on September 29, 2011, 09:46:36 AM: Larry Catlin, now there was a racer !!!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on September 29, 2011, 08:08:52 PM: Larry Catlin's car at Shangri-La with Kenny Townsend driving---Larry did not care for asphalt----that is Larry's tow truck on other side of car
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on September 29, 2011, 08:18:29 PM: Cliff Pierce in the 23 with Pat Judson's B13 on the high side on the chemung asphalt
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on September 29, 2011, 08:28:29 PM: Chemung hard chargers-----Herb Green in the 88----Fred Quail in the 40----George Kent in the Gil Frisbee #2--and Tom Gush in the 55
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: roman61 on September 30, 2011, 06:26:45 AM: thanks so much for the Chemung pics,,,please keep 'em coming!!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: rsk1139 on September 30, 2011, 10:37:26 AM: Does anyone have pictures of the 3-aces car and the 4-aces car that raced at Perry and Holland Speedway in the mid 1960s?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Jilly on September 30, 2011, 11:57:04 AM: Osgood, Bodine, Gush
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on September 30, 2011, 04:05:58 PM: Chemung Speedrome----early 60's-----Darb Lane from Powell, PA crawls out of his #196 Buick that was powered by a straight "8" --that's Dick Farr from Ulster, PA on his top in the Chevy # 8---of interest in this photo is the big old barn that was just off turn 3---I have seen very few pictures that show the barn in this configuration.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on September 30, 2011, 11:19:25 PM: Quote from: greyhairedracer on September 29, 2011, 08:08:52 PM
Larry Catlin's car at Shangri-La with Kenny Townsend driving---Larry did not care for asphalt----that is Larry's tow truck on other side of car

That is one of my favorite modifieds ever - the color, the way it sits on the chassis... Anyone know where it ended up?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on September 30, 2011, 11:35:14 PM: Weedsport programs guess: Jeff Kappesser #37 and Dale Planck #77x.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on October 01, 2011, 12:35:41 AM: Quote from: JGALLANT on September 30, 2011, 11:35:14 PM
Weedsport programs guess: Jeff Kappesser #37 and Dale Planck #77x.

Yep. And in keeping with the Larry Catlin theme, Dale Planck's 77x chassis was built by Larry in 1969. It was the same car Kenny Moore flipped at Weedsport in 1974.

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Hard to tell if it's the same car as in post #1957
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on October 01, 2011, 01:13:43 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on October 01, 2011, 12:35:41 AM
Quote from: JGALLANT on September 30, 2011, 11:35:14 PM
Weedsport programs guess: Jeff Kappesser #37 and Dale Planck #77x.

Yep. And in keeping with the Larry Catlin theme, Dale Planck's 77x chassis was built by Larry in 1969. It was the same car Kenny Moore flipped at Weedsport in 1974.

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Hard to tell if it's the same car as in post #1957

Looks a lot like the 3 window car that Larry had; the one in post 1957 was the 5 window car.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on October 01, 2011, 01:19:50 AM: It may not be the same chassis. The one on #1957 may be older. In the article it just says it was built in 1969, and that he sold it to his friend Kenny Moore. It says Denny just put a Gremlin body on it. Denny actually ran it as a limited. It had a 310ci motor in it.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on October 01, 2011, 07:33:31 AM: 77x is DENNY Plank, Dale's father.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on October 01, 2011, 08:04:23 AM: WoW, didn't get on for a few day.....U GUYS BEEN BUSY! Going back to the Roy Schenk - Hoag car question. I'm pretty sure it's the same car. I know for a fact that Schenk later used the body from the Hoag car on a Show-Car tube chassis. Think he cut the old girl up when he got the new car and reused the body.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on October 01, 2011, 08:09:58 AM: One of my favorite Taney stories is one he told me about one of his old Late Models. Dennis said he won a bunch of races because he stayed out of trouble. Seems the car had a carbarator with vacumn secondaries and was real sluggish when you'd get into the gas. He said a hole would open up in traffic and he'd hammer the gas and the car just wouldn't go.....then the hole would close up and the two cars would smash together and crash and he'd go on to win! The quote: "The car was smarter than the driver!"!!! Here's a pic of Larry Catlin in 1971 at Five Mile Point. Photo by Smith.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on October 01, 2011, 08:13:21 AM: Old Chemung Photo. By L.O. Duncan. Cubby Chandler had a lot of better days than this one. I was there and saw the crash...pretty brutal. He was lucky to walk away from it.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on October 01, 2011, 12:15:02 PM: Sorry, for some reason imageshack lost my Rolling Wheels program, so I had to upload it again. The one bad thing about using imageshack is sometimes your pics disappear.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on October 01, 2011, 12:19:31 PM: Quote from: Rocket88 on October 01, 2011, 07:33:31 AM
77x is DENNY Plank, Dale's father.
Yeah I just notice I said Dale. I know that's Denny. My brain doesn't always work right.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on October 01, 2011, 02:08:10 PM: No problem. Mine doesn't always work, either! :)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: m2vrace on October 01, 2011, 06:53:38 PM: Didn't Pep Pepacille have a son who raced after him ? I think I spellled that way wrong.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on October 01, 2011, 10:27:48 PM: correct spelling "Pepicelli" ;)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on October 01, 2011, 10:41:32 PM: I don't remember him having a son who drove. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: batz motorsports 27 on October 02, 2011, 07:45:45 AM: yes pep has a son tony that still runs at fonda. #11
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 02, 2011, 10:00:34 PM: Also I believe the Wally Dallenbach that raced Cagle's car was USAC standout Wally Senior. Not his son the current TV comentator. Here's another old Chemung picture from L.O.Duncan. All my Chemung Pics are posted on the Midstate Old timers Web Site. Mickey Morollo with a win. Yeah, that's his own hair. Money for nothin....and the chicks are free! Did anyone witness Paul Newman hot lapping Cagle's coupe when he was in Syracuse filming "Slap-Shot"?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 02, 2011, 10:46:42 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on October 02, 2011, 10:00:34 PM
Did anyone witness Paul Newman hot lapping Cagle's coupe when he was in Syracuse filming "Slap-Shot"?
Yep, and I have the program somewhere. I've been looking for it. 1976?

It was Wally Sr. in the Cagle car. I believe he was in town for Salt City 100 at the fairgrounds July 4th weekend. My dad took me to that race and I didn't learn until about 10 years ago the Al Unser won it. All I remember is the Gary Bettenhausen crash.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 03, 2011, 12:46:26 PM: (https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1116.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk565%2FBigFeet13%2FRacing%2520Pics%2FCagleNewman.jpg&hash=a11df726ddf96694f6813ebb21b82c557eaa0216)

1976
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 03, 2011, 05:01:36 PM: Wow Dale...cool pic. I was just talking to Mickey and Mike last week and I'm floored by how much they look alike.
I received an e-mail from Ford Easton (Cuba Lake reunion denizen) and thought you guys might be interested....
http://www.gosupers.com/67shampine.html (http://www.gosupers.com/67shampine.html)

ENJOY!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 03, 2011, 06:32:33 PM: Nice. I saw pictures of that from the reunion. I wish I could have seen Jimmy drive it (it was built the year I was born). I actually remember the car when Fred Peet drove it though.
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Post by: MOD27NY on October 03, 2011, 07:33:05 PM: I'm not sure the Catlin car in the pic is the same car he ran at 5 Mile Point. I do know the car led a long life after Larry retired. It was raced by Frank Heeman... then Bob Keesler and Gary Beagell.
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 03, 2011, 09:48:05 PM: Looking for some old Syracuse Schaefer photos. 1970's and 1980's. Let's have a mystery guess of drivers in the photos, i'm game.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 03, 2011, 10:05:31 PM: Here's a pic I shot at Syracuse. I think it's 1974. Can you name the car-drivers?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 03, 2011, 10:07:57 PM: This is 1972 at Syracuse. A long shot from the Grandstands with my primitive camera. Can you name the cars and drivers? Can you even see them?! LOL
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 03, 2011, 10:26:09 PM: 1974 pic Darrell Welty #2x, 1972 pic #24 Ken Brenn ,Jr. [yellow coupe]
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 03, 2011, 10:53:25 PM: I'm stumped on the 95. I don't believe I've seen that car.
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Post by: justmark on October 03, 2011, 11:36:49 PM: Kenny Meahl's #95
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 04, 2011, 10:14:55 PM: Late models drivers: Walt Mitchell #24 and Jack Emerson #17A.
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 04, 2011, 10:16:17 PM: Late model drivers Walt Mitchell #24 and Jack Emerson #17A.
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Post by: rannyville_concrete_eater on October 04, 2011, 10:46:08 PM: 513 - Fireball Johnny Roberts.. and I think the 28 is Bobby Lutz
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 04, 2011, 10:55:00 PM: Fireball Roberts, Walt Mitchell, and Jack Emerson are right.
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Post by: Modbuilder on October 04, 2011, 11:15:50 PM: I believe the 28 would be Bill Roese? If memory serves me correctly he used to travel to weedsport from the Utica area. Bobby Lutz would have been #58.
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Post by: rannyville_concrete_eater on October 04, 2011, 11:20:08 PM: Now that you mention it, I believe you are correct on the 28!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 05, 2011, 12:11:45 AM: Well, I remember Bobby Lutz driving a yellow mustang #300 (although I'm sure he drove other cars), but Bill Roese is correct. He was friends with Bud Moore. If you look close above the rear wheel it says Bud Moore Engineering.
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Post by: Frasson118 on October 05, 2011, 05:49:45 PM: Jumping back a little from the Shampine super, current owner David Hollinger is the brother of a good friend of mine, Rex Hollinger. Not only does David have the 8-Ball, and the Sweet 16, he also has a street-legal Super (complete with wing) that he uses on occasion as a push truck for the Midgets & Sprints in the local (Florida) antique racing club... The DAARA group.

I have some shots on another computer that shows the street legal car push starting the 8-Ball on it's initial fire-up. Pretty cool.... One Super pushing another.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 08, 2011, 10:59:18 AM: Here's a Bob Lutz photo from the RWR program. Lewkowski photo I think. Seems there were quite a few Ford latemodels running back then. The Chuck Kennison-Bob Teed 9X for one. Too bad we don't have that kind of diversity anymore. Except for Mini's I think the only Ford we have running at Woodhull is Davis' Modified.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 08, 2011, 12:38:16 PM: Yea, Mike Colsten and Bill Roese were big ford guys. Walt Mitchell in the mopar.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 08, 2011, 07:50:44 PM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on October 01, 2011, 12:15:02 PM

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Nobody guessed these. Johnny McArdle, Fran Kitchen, Will Cagle.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 08, 2011, 08:11:12 PM: A couple shots of the old Shampine super when the Sharkey Brother's owned it. Both with Fred Peet. (Don Kranz photos)

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Still running the ford. Also I never noticed until I scanned it, definitely looks like my Dad in the background facing the camera next to the Rizzo super. lol.

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I heard from a little birdy that this car should be back on the street in a few weeks. :)

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Post by: tcjet8 on October 12, 2011, 08:25:57 PM: Does anyone happen to have pictures they would be willing to post of the car driven by Rusty Smith from Oxford Ny. The particular modified was I believe a Rabbit Bodied modified. Like the one Dick Clark had driven . I think the number of the Smith car was either 134 or 34. I am not sure. If I recall the smith car was a fine looking modified. Any pic's would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by: gp8787 on October 12, 2011, 09:15:27 PM: i could be wrong but i think it was gordie/(34 ) or jerry (134) that drove that car
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 12, 2011, 11:02:05 PM: Another drivers car I'd like see was gentleman Jackie Naum. He had some real sharp latemodels and a Javlin bodied Modified at one time. Any pics would be great! Here's one from 1972 NYS fair race. pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 12, 2011, 11:03:10 PM: Another from the 72 Fair Race. Actually these may be from the actual Schaefer race as I don't see fairground stuff outside the track.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 12, 2011, 11:46:07 PM: I wish I had a color shot of the Javlin. Jack was a good friend of my Dad and one of his inspirations to build a Late Model. Jack never really ran well in the Javlin. Certainly not as dominate as the '57 chevy Late Model. Lynchmob has a color shot of his Late Model from Rolling Wheels, 1971. I guess I could link it. http://www.kluthmotorsports.com/photo%20website/rolling_wheels_71_photos/img7ful.gif (http://www.kluthmotorsports.com/photo%20website/rolling_wheels_71_photos/img7ful.gif)
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The 77 car almost ended up in our lap two days after this picture was shot. (B&B) I wish someone had the shot from Gater News. I used to have it. It was front page.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 12, 2011, 11:53:25 PM: #473, Les Alberti?
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Weedsport 1971 (Russ Mills?)

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Weedsport 1972 (Russ Mills)
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Post by: bakes on October 13, 2011, 01:57:07 PM: Quote from: tcjet8 on October 12, 2011, 08:25:57 PM
Does anyone happen to have pictures they would be willing to post of the car driven by Rusty Smith from Oxford Ny. The particular modified was I believe a Rabbit Bodied modified. Like the one Dick Clark had driven . I think the number of the Smith car was either 134 or 34. I am not sure. If I recall the smith car was a fine looking modified. Any pic's would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I recall him having a sport mod (metric chassis) with a Rabbit looking body on it; I have a pic of that somewhere in my pile of photos. I'll post it when I get a chance to dig it out.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 13, 2011, 07:17:50 PM: The #96 on Weedsport cover...Gordie Wood?
The #77...That wasn't John Ody by chance, was it?
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Post by: Modbuilder on October 13, 2011, 08:33:42 PM: How about Stu Space for the #6 late model?
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 13, 2011, 09:27:40 PM: The 1972 Labor Day pics are: Les Alberti #473, Eddie Delmolino #19 and Mike Grbac #K46.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 13, 2011, 11:22:28 PM: I'll give you the #77, Walt Ellison. That pic was the first time out with the car. It was demolished at Weedsport that Sunday and I never remember seeing it again.

The #6....The car was owned by Jeff Heffer. The driver goes back to the early days of Weedsport. Think small. I believe he had to give up his job as assistant starter to drive the car.

The #96....The car was pink.
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Post by: Frasson118 on October 14, 2011, 12:41:27 PM: You'd be refering to "Wee" Willie Allen... pretty good shoe in his day, even though I only caught the tail end of his career.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 14, 2011, 03:03:32 PM: Quote from: Frasson118 on October 14, 2011, 12:41:27 PM
You'd be refering to "Wee" Willie Allen... pretty good shoe in his day, even though I only caught the tail end of his career.
Yes sir!!! I only caught the end of his career too. I remember his last A5, the old Bushy mod. He did run late models until '80 or '81. I also believe he drove the pace car for a while.

The #96 was "Daisy" Dick Wall. The car was pink with daisy's painted on the roof.
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Post by: tom35 on October 14, 2011, 07:28:34 PM: The 22 is that Jack Naum ?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 14, 2011, 08:08:29 PM: Quote from: tom35 on October 14, 2011, 07:28:34 PM
The 22 is that Jack Naum ?
Yes it is.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on October 15, 2011, 09:13:52 PM: All I can say is, WOW! The #6 Late Model above... I sat here wracking my brain out, trying to remember who drove it. Funny part is, I remembered the car but couldn't think of the drivers name for nothing. And when Jerry spit out Willie Allen, I wanted to slap myself. I should have known that. Must have been a marijuana moment... :)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 16, 2011, 11:59:33 AM: Bob, I had the same issue on the #6. I remembered the car but couldn't figure the driver. I never really smoked only a few times and I still don't remember Wee Willie driving it! I think it's just alzheimers sneaking up! I remember a show at Weedsport where they had the cars on the front straight with the drivers out of the cars for introductions. They had Wee Willie stand on the right rear tire of his car and Pete Cordes stand next to him on the track surface and Pete was still taller than Mr Allen! I remember him becoming the pace car driver.....man we damn near ran him over on the starts A FEW TIMES AS THEY HAD THE PACE CAR DIVE OUT OF THE WAY COMING OFF FOUR nascar STYLE BACK THEN! Here's one I took on the back straight at Syracuse of Dick Tobias and Tighe Scott. I think it's from 1976 or 1977.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 16, 2011, 12:01:56 PM: Another Tobias photo from the old DIRT program with my brother Darrell casing him in the 98JR. Lukowski photo. Not sure but it may be Weedsport.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 16, 2011, 08:31:53 PM: In honor of Chuck Kennison's recent birthday, here are a few shots I found in some of my programs.

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The only one I could find of his Late Model, Rolling Wheels 1973 (B&B)

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Weedsport 1975, (Russ Mills)

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Weedsport 1975, (Russ Mills)
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on October 17, 2011, 06:27:10 PM: I've got a question for all of you folks that remember racing back in the '70s...

How many of you remember the smell of burnt race fuel from those days? Some of you might say I'm crazy, and to some extent, I would agree. But as I sit here looking at these old pictures, I can actually recall the smell of the races from time to time. It's kind of like an old amusement park or county fair in a way. Popcorn, cotton candy, italian sausage with peppers and onions, bumper cars... add all those smells together, and it becomes part of the experience. The race fuel back then was Cam 2 as I remember, and smelled quite a bit different than VP today. Go ahead... call me nuts.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 17, 2011, 07:06:17 PM: Smell is the number one sensory perception. The smell of the exhaust mixed with the clay dust. The smell of Hoffman hot dogs. Or when I see a picture of a sprint car or supermodified, I can immediately smell the methanol exhaust. Something I haven't smelled in many years, but would bring me back to when the URC sprinters came to town or when I was with my dad on Saturday mornings when they'd fire up the super before loading it, or when I got to go to Oswego. I went to Brewerton a couple months back. I hadn't been to a dirt track since 2000. I closed my eyes while they were running a heat, and it almost took me back to when I was a kid in the 70's. But, it still wasn't the same.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on October 18, 2011, 12:45:38 AM: It wasn't the same because the cars now have full exhaust systems instead of headers that stop at the collector. :D
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on October 18, 2011, 03:21:59 PM: Claychamp123... I remember Willie in the Pace Car too. Toward the end of the Glenn era, Willie was a detriment to his own safety and I felt bad for him. Sometimes he was too slow pulling off to go green, and not fast enough to safely slow the field down under caution. I think the only thing worse than Willie getting the news that his services were no longer required would be being the guy who was elected to tell him.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 18, 2011, 10:15:55 PM: Here's a pic I took at Syracuse in what I believe was 1973. Ken Castrucci's car is hauled back to the pits after flipping and hitting the wall roof first. The cage failed and what you see on the top of the car was one of his bumpers. I believe he only had some type of arm injury so he was very lucky! pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 18, 2011, 10:21:22 PM: Here's a Daytona Speedweeks pic from around 1970 or 71. This was the parking lot between our Motel and a service station where a bunch of the Midget & Sprints racing at Memorial Stadium in Downtown Daytona Beach had set up out-door shop! They were working on their cars and doing maintenance. My Dad shot this scene and I have no idea who the cars or drivers were. Living the gypsy life of a traveling race team! pic by Norm Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 18, 2011, 10:29:53 PM: This was shot from the Grandstand with a long lense. (spy lense). It's Tom Ewing and his two boys next to theEwing owned Binner-Peters sponsored #66 that my Brother Darrell drove. Previous drivers were Chuck Ciprich and I believe maybe Denis Taney. I think this around 1978. Pic by me.
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Post by: tcjet8 on October 19, 2011, 12:43:43 PM: I got into this argument with a coworker of mine over a modified that the Swain Bothers built. It was a #44 Vega Wagon. Didn't they invent a chemical called Henium (not sure of spelling) which was a lubricant for engines? The Vega Wagon car had mul-ti bright colors on it. Anyway the coworker was set sure it was not a Vega Wagon. I think it was. Any help with pictures and advise so I can set this guy right is appreciated.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on October 19, 2011, 01:37:14 PM: tcjet8,
Dan Swain was employed by Heany (sp.) Industries when he got out of college with a degree in Ceramic Engineering, I believe. The ceramic coating that he developed was used on internal (typically pistons, etc.) and also exhaust headers to reduce heat, friction, etc. Since he worked for Heany, they coined it "Henium". Dan later founded Swain Tech in Scottsville, NY doing essentially the same thing. I believe he may be retired now, although I can't say for sure. He and his (twin) brothers, Tim & Tom were the crux of Swain Bros. Racing, and yes....you remember right. They did have a Vega wagon body on their Modified for awhile. Many bright colors too, as I remember. Always #44. When I got started in go-karts I used to see Dan, Tom, and Tim and their sons every Sunday at Genesee Valley Kart Club (GVKC) in E. Avon. They're all real nice guys. I raced against Tim in the "Over 35" class for awhile & he was real tough to beat. then I had him start building my engines & I was able to keep up a little better.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on October 19, 2011, 02:58:54 PM: If I remember right, the Swain Vega was in the old "Oldies" thread on the old RaceNY.
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Post by: tcjet8 on October 19, 2011, 04:10:25 PM: Thank You for the great story about Swain Bro's. I was young when I first saw the Vega Wagon car and fell in love with it. I only saw it at a track like 2 or 3 times. I never went to Lancaster for a show. I saw it at Shangri-la but each time they were there the show was rained out. Thanks for the info.. Tom
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 19, 2011, 07:40:16 PM: Quote from: tcjet8 on October 19, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
I got into this argument with a coworker of mine over a modified that the Swain Bothers built. It was a #44 Vega Wagon. Didn't they invent a chemical called Henium (not sure of spelling) which was a lubricant for engines? The Vega Wagon car had mul-ti bright colors on it. Anyway the coworker was set sure it was not a Vega Wagon. I think it was. Any help with pictures and advise so I can set this guy right is appreciated.

There's a couple pics on HAMB. Color shots near the bottom.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174989&highlight=dirt+modified&page=316 (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174989&highlight=dirt+modified&page=316)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 19, 2011, 11:12:32 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on October 18, 2011, 10:29:53 PM
This was shot from the Grandstand with a long lense. (spy lense). It's Tom Ewing and his two boys next to theEwing owned Binner-Peters sponsored #66 that my Brother Darrell drove. Previous drivers were Chuck Ciprich and I believe maybe Denis Taney. I think this around 1978. Pic by me.
Denis did drive the car. I believe he also drove a Late Model for Ewing.
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Post by: Frasson118 on October 20, 2011, 12:12:09 AM: I don't recall Denis running the Modified, but we (Binner-Peters) did sponsor a Late Model that he owned. Part of the deal was renumbering the car from 11 to 66. Denis owned that car (late 60's Camaro, red in color), not Ewing nor Binner-Peters.

Other drivers for the 66 Vega pictured, were Doug Mattison, Chuck Ciprich, Wally Burnett, Darrell Welty and a couple of runs with Ed Ortiz and Mark Elsie.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 20, 2011, 01:07:49 AM: That's probably what I'm remembering then. I have a program with him winning in the 66 late model (although I don't remember him driving it). I swore I actually remember him driving the mod (I thought it was his first mod ride). I did a lot of bad things in the 80's and 90's, so my memory is sometimes messed up.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 20, 2011, 01:20:59 PM: A couple more Denis Taney pics.

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abt 1972 mini stocks. Unknown photographer

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First Late Model win, Weedsport 1974 (Russ Mills)

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1978 Weedsport, in the 66.
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Post by: Frasson118 on October 21, 2011, 10:12:48 PM: That's the one. If you look at the roof, it says Binner-Peters up there. I was at Weedsport the night of that win.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 21, 2011, 11:00:20 PM: Sorry, I can't remember who the driver is of the #16 BUG at Chemung Speedrome. Should be fro around 1964 or 65. L.O. Ducan photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 21, 2011, 11:01:52 PM: Here he is with another victory. Who is the Starter? L.O. Ducan photo again.
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Post by: roman61 on October 21, 2011, 11:13:23 PM: the starter is actually Eli Bodine,,,,,,,,I believe
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Post by: 112SMW on October 22, 2011, 07:49:15 AM: The driver of the #16 bug was Cliff Pierce....I think
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Post by: greyhairedracer on October 22, 2011, 09:33:38 PM: That is indeed a young looking Cliff Pierce standing beside the #16--
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2011, 10:04:31 AM: Dean Hoag (no photog info or track info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 23, 2011, 10:20:49 AM: A cool pic I scarffed from the HAMB...a bunch more posted recently of Buzzie (no photog info)
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Post by: no74falcon on October 23, 2011, 11:23:02 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 23, 2011, 10:04:31 AM
Dean Hoag (no photog info or track info)

Oswego Speedway.
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 23, 2011, 09:27:02 PM: the #9 George Ely ? Dick "Toby" Tobias #17, Lynn Paxton #1. Harry Sittler #37.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 23, 2011, 09:41:52 PM: Toby Tobias and Harry Sittler are right. The #9 might be tough, because it wasn't his normal number. And the sprint car I wouldn't have known if it wasn't on the program.
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 23, 2011, 10:03:24 PM: Hint on the #9? The sprint car; Keith Kauffman #1?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 23, 2011, 10:18:42 PM: Hint on the #9, hmmmmm. He ran a Late Model the year before. His normal number had a 9 and an x in it. I think he was Late Model track champion at Weedsport in '72. The sprint car, I wouldn't know what to give as a hint. Kramer Williamson.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on October 24, 2011, 05:12:03 AM: At first glance, I thought the 9 was George Ely too. But then this car is a Pinto, and Ely's was a Gremlin. The program says # 4 of 10, telling us that the picture was taken sometime in May? Man, the body on that car looks like it's been upside down at least once already. I give up.
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Post by: sprintdaddy on October 24, 2011, 10:28:52 AM: at 1st glance, Pa thought it was Wally Burnett........sincerly Ma
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Post by: Jay Mooney on October 24, 2011, 11:34:24 AM: Kramer Williamson and Toby Tobias were on the cover of the '77 Independence Day DIRT program as they were winners on the Syracuse Mile the previous year, 1976, on July 5th. That show in '76 was the first time winged sprinters were on the Mile. In the '77 Independence Day show, Kenny Weld was the winner on the Mile. Oswego supers were added to the mix in '77. Gary Allbritain, driving the Bowley Flyin' 5, was the highest finishing super. He finished 7th. I can't remember who won the modified portion. I want to say it was Billy Osmun.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 24, 2011, 11:39:07 AM: Quote from: sprintdaddy on October 24, 2011, 10:28:52 AM
at 1st glance, Pa thought it was Wally Burnett........sincerly Ma
Bingo!!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 29, 2011, 07:39:37 AM: Here's a pic I took at Syracuse the day of the combined Super - sprint races.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 29, 2011, 07:43:57 AM: Here's one of Bentley Warren in the Super on dirt at Syracuse. I believe one of the years they did this they ran two races and Bentley won one of them and was like second in the other giving him the over-all title. Pic by me
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 29, 2011, 07:46:00 AM: One of my all time favorite race cars....the Purdy Duece. Warren Brown photo.
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Post by: Les on October 29, 2011, 08:41:46 AM: The 60 Supermodified is Jerry Buske from Oswego,The Purdy Deuce may Animal Andy Brown.
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Post by: modcrew18 on October 29, 2011, 10:23:49 AM: We went both years that the supers ran with the sprints. the first year they ran without wings and the supers ran really good but a couple of real bad accidents with the no wing sprints. I believe Van May was one in turn 1, possibly a few others involved. Another on backstretch with injuries, names fail me now. Supers were still good with wings, but sprints were better. Remember Chuck Ciprich driving for near the back to 3rd in the Buckner 36, then dropping out.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 29, 2011, 11:59:18 AM: It's odd that I have that program. I didn't go to that race (which would be the only DIRT program I have from a race I didn't attend). Mike Rizzo is listed as one of the supers that was supposed to be there, which might make sense because my Dad would've been in the pits, so I wouldn't have been able to go. The problem is I'm 99% sure Rizzo wasn't there (I need to ask my Dad, but I'm sure he wasn't).
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Post by: Jay Mooney on October 29, 2011, 06:28:58 PM: I found the results from the 7/4/77 show on the Syracuse Mile. 1977 was the first time sprints and supers ran together on the Mile. Both the sprints and supers had wings on that day. The 25 lapper was won by Kenny Weld. The only Oswego supermodifieds in the field were: Gary Allbritain (who finished 7th), Bentley Warren (motor trouble before the feature), Ed Thompson (hit the wall on the 21st lap), and Norm Mackereth and Mike Rizzo, both of whom made the feature but went to the pits early in the race.

The second sprint/super show on the Mile was held on 7/4/78. It was also an all-wing show. Paul Pitzer from Pa. won driving the Weikert's Livestock sprinter. Claychamp123: I want to say your pic of #60 Jerry Buske is from this show in July 1978. Buske, who finished 8th, was the highest finishing super that day.

The third time sprints and supers ran together on the Mile was the inaugural Syracuse Super Nationals held during Super Dirt Week on 9/30/78. This was the infamous non-wing show that resulted in so much carnage. With poor supermodified participation on 7/4/77 and 7/4/78 and winged sprints dominating those races, I think Glen Donnelly got nervous. Even though his show was a "World of Outlaws" event, the big names chasing "World of Outlaws" points (Kinser, Swindell, Wolfgang) were headed out to California for a "World of Outlaws" event being held the exact same day as Syracuse. Donnelly was really going to need the Oswego contingent to help draw a crowd to his new high dollar sprint show. Just a couple of weeks before Super Dirt Week, Donnelly told everyone to leave their wings at home (citing that wings were "too fast" and "too dangerous"). That first Super Nationals was a twin 32 lap format. Bentley Warren won the first segment in his super. Arizonas Jimmy Edwards won the second segment in his sprint car.
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Post by: Rocket88 on October 29, 2011, 07:15:40 PM: Here's a link...http://www.jakessite.com/fair78/index.html (http://www.jakessite.com/fair78/index.html)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 29, 2011, 07:33:23 PM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on October 29, 2011, 06:28:58 PM
I found the results from the 7/4/77 show on the Syracuse Mile. 1977 was the first time sprints and supers ran together on the Mile. Both the sprints and supers had wings on that day. The 25 lapper was won by Kenny Weld. The only Oswego supermodifieds in the field were: Gary Allbritain (who finished 7th), Bentley Warren (motor trouble before the feature), Ed Thompson (hit the wall on the 21st lap), and Norm Mackereth and Mike Rizzo, both of whom made the feature but went to the pits early in the race.

Then my Dad was there, and that explains why I have the program. BTW, Rizzo was kind of the pioneer of racing the supers with sprint cars. He ran a couple times with URC in 1975. This is from Rolling Wheels.

edit: That was a waste to post. It's all explained on jakesite. Well, I can explain his inspiration though, because I was there that day (all of 8 years old). I went with him and my dad to Solvay Automotive late in '74. He was looking to buy the old 04 (their original roadster). In the back of the garage was a sprint car body. I remember Mike saying he'd love to run a sprinter if there was a track that ran them weekly. He started the '75 running a two car team, with Lew Miller driving the upright. That only lasted a few races. I remember him taking pictures of the car and sending them to URC. And, to his surprise, they actually thought it was a good idea.

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Bill Matice, Jerry McConnell?, Dave Sessler (My Dad), Mike Rizzo. (From Jakesite. He also crewed for Mike)
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Post by: JGALLANT on October 31, 2011, 09:46:02 PM: I found a pic of Dave Lape in a coupe numbered 642T. The pic was taken next to Ray and Larry Dalmata's 643 & 644. Was Dave a team car to the Dalmata's ?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 01, 2011, 01:19:20 AM: Quote from: JGALLANT on October 31, 2011, 09:46:02 PM
I found a pic of Dave Lape in a coupe numbered 642T. The pic was taken next to Ray and Larry Dalmata's 643 & 644. Was Dave a team car to the Dalmata's ?
I saw that pic over at dogfight too. Other than when he drove the 44b, I never saw him in anything but the 22. I would assume that since he's next to the Dalmata cars, that it's probably one of their's. I'd be interested in knowing the answer.
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Post by: Modbuilder on November 02, 2011, 04:15:45 PM: Steve Podolak, Darrell Welty and Chuck Ciprich!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 02, 2011, 06:49:41 PM: Quote from: Modbuilder on November 02, 2011, 04:15:45 PM
Steve Podolak, Darrell Welty and Chuck Ciprich!
Wow, that was quick!!!!
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Post by: Modbuilder on November 02, 2011, 07:02:25 PM: Those were easy ones. These were all drivers that I got to know in our early modified days at RWR,Canandaigua and Weedsport when my dad made the switch from late models to the mods. We got to be pretty good friends with Steve and Chuck and Darrell`s brother, Dale, drives my car now with Darrell being one of the integral parts of our crew. I gotta say those were fun days!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 02, 2011, 08:03:08 PM: Darrell was a gimme, but I thought the #48 might trip everyone up a little. Chuck didn't drive that car very long. He drove so many different cars.
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Post by: Modbuilder on November 02, 2011, 09:02:27 PM: Yeah, that was his own car. He was good enough to mostly race on someone else`s dime.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 02, 2011, 11:44:35 PM: Now THERE is a picture I am stealing... Steve Podolack. Steve and I were friends all the way back to when I was just a fan/packer truck driver. I met Steve at Canandaigua one night during a holding pattern in a rain storm. I got stuck in the infield up to my knees in mud, and Steve saw me struggling from the pits. He got on his motorcycle, drove across the muddy track and soggy infield to give me a hand and lift into the pits to more solid ground. He didn't have to do that, but he did and I never forgot it. We became friends immediately - a friendship that lasted until he died a few years ago. And it was Steve who broke the ice and introduced me to Patrick Donnelly, Scott Bogardus and Mel Thomas, who were all involved with This Week on DIRT.

I think the thing I liked most about Steve was that he wasn't afraid or ashamed to be himself back in the days when drivers were just starting to be looked at as "role models." Steve was both a heavy ball buster and partier. If you knew him, you couldn't help but like him. And man, do I ever have Steve Podolack stories... :-X

Thank you for sharing the picture.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 03, 2011, 01:33:29 AM: Quote from: Modbuilder on November 02, 2011, 09:02:27 PM
Yeah, that was his own car. He was good enough to mostly race on someone else`s dime.
Yeah, in the article it does say that's his car. He was waiting for Andy Davidson to finish a new #81. I know he moved to Jim Sincerbeaux's 0 in '76. My Mom had a huge crush on him and my Dad knew him from Oswego, so my Mom did get to know him and his wife a bit.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 03, 2011, 01:37:37 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on November 02, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
Now THERE is a picture I am stealing... Steve Podolack. Steve and I were friends all the way back to when I was just a fan/packer truck driver. I met Steve at Canandaigua one night during a holding pattern in a rain storm. I got stuck in the infield up to my knees in mud, and Steve saw me struggling from the pits. He got on his motorcycle, drove across the muddy track and soggy infield to give me a hand and lift into the pits to more solid ground. He didn't have to do that, but he did and I never forgot it. We became friends immediately - a friendship that lasted until he died a few years ago. And it was Steve who broke the ice and introduced me to Patrick Donnelly, Scott Bogardus and Mel Thomas, who were all involved with This Week on DIRT.

I think the thing I liked most about Steve was that he wasn't afraid or ashamed to be himself back in the days when drivers were just starting to be looked at as "role models." Steve was both a heavy ball buster and partier. If you knew him, you couldn't help but like him. And man, do I ever have Steve Podolack stories... :-X

Thank you for sharing the picture.
Not a problem. If I'd have known, I'd have posted it earlier. I remember way back when he drove an orange #57 coach (I used to really like that car). I wish I had a color pic of that. I didn't know he passed away. That's too bad. I did enjoy watching him race all those years.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on November 03, 2011, 07:59:32 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on November 02, 2011, 08:03:08 PM
Darrell was a gimme, but I thought the #48 might trip everyone up a little. Chuck didn't drive that car very long. He drove so many different cars.

Hey, who is that guy with hair, he looks familiar.

FYI, the top of his head looks like this now:

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on November 03, 2011, 06:04:50 PM: Quote from: YetAnotherDW on November 03, 2011, 07:59:32 AM

Hey, who is that guy with hair, he looks familiar.

FYI, the top of his head looks like this now:

I think think that could be most of our heads. ;D
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on November 04, 2011, 11:15:08 PM: Here's a pic of Norm Welty at Chemung Speedrome 1961. No photo credit on back. I was two years old at the time. Remember it like yesterday.......yeah right...well it's true I can't hardly remember yesterday either!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Torpedotom on November 05, 2011, 08:18:41 PM: Rocket. Belated brain fade on my part. It was the #86 coupe. Was having a flashback to an old super stock (late model) hero as I had the upcoming Dave London memorial super stock race. Thanks for realigning my brain cells. LOL
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Torpedotom on November 05, 2011, 08:21:21 PM: Wow, that post says alignment incomplete. Meant to say lots on my mind at the time.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on November 05, 2011, 10:18:17 PM: Tom, I was a Mike Miller fan when I started going to the races. Unfortunate[y, Mike was getting ready to retire. I remember the 86 sitting in a garage out in Spencerport back then, but, your Dad never admitted it being out there. The garage still stands, with weeds and other things growing around(and in?) it. Funny, I STILL expect to see the 86 sitting there!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on November 05, 2011, 10:24:24 PM: TorpedoTom's Dad.......
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on November 08, 2011, 09:57:49 PM: (https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg215.imageshack.us%2Fimg215%2F8588%2F0216v.jpg&hash=c5414f4c5c4600265de332b74abadea72cb69066)

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on November 08, 2011, 10:27:11 PM: Answer to the Weedsport programs: Alan Johnson #14 and Pete Cordes #68. No guess on late model #9.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 09, 2011, 12:48:25 AM: Is that "Crash" Nash???
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Post by: Modbuilder on November 09, 2011, 08:28:36 AM: I'm gonna say Dick Treat in the #9.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 09, 2011, 11:18:35 AM: Quote from: Modbuilder on November 09, 2011, 08:28:36 AM
I'm gonna say Dick Treat in the #9.
That is correct!!!!
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Post by: JGALLANT on November 10, 2011, 09:32:33 PM: Bigfeet13, why did you "COLOR" on the Weedsport Programs? You must of been quite young back then.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 10, 2011, 11:01:31 PM: Quote from: JGALLANT on November 10, 2011, 09:32:33 PM
Bigfeet13, why did you "COLOR" on the Weedsport Programs? You must of been quite young back then.
I was 8 years old in 1974. But it was my sister who defiled that program, although I did draw and cut pictures out of some of them too. She was 7 and Alan happened to be her "new" favorite driver (because he was 16). I kick myself because we got two programs every week. One I cut pics for a scrapbook and one I put away. I lost most of my good copies from '73-'75 during a move in 1987, along with my scrapbook, my Oswego International Classic programs, and my Will Cagle autograph, which was in my scrapbook (Yes, I was a Cagle fan). :( Even though most of the covers look good (I did photoshop some of my scribblings out of a couple), most of those programs from those years are pretty cut up. I try to replace them as they come up on ebay, but they don't come up often.
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Post by: JGALLANT on November 11, 2011, 11:24:42 PM: That's right blame the sister. You were the big brother,you should of hid them away ;) Even though they have been colored on, they still bring back memories of the "real" dirt stock cars of the past. I was a regular fan at the Lebanon Valley Speedway. I would bring my programs home and hide them from my brother, who was six years younger then me.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 11, 2011, 11:57:02 PM: JGALLANT... He used to tell his teacher that his sister ate his homework, too. ;D
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This one has some graffiti on it ;). Actually the cover is damaged and removed from a more damaged program (battery acid).
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Post by: Rocket88 on November 12, 2011, 11:19:46 PM: The 15..Lloyd Holt?
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Post by: JGALLANT on November 12, 2011, 11:25:18 PM: The Weedsport programs are; Frank Heeman #33, Larry Catlin #88T, Lloyd Holt #15. Bonus signitures are; Alan Johnson #14, Bill Mattison #6, Darrell Welty #24,and Jim Shampine #8.
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Post by: JGALLANT on November 12, 2011, 11:27:25 PM: Whoops, its late and my eyes are tired, Loyd Holt did sign his program. :-[
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 13, 2011, 12:38:01 AM: Frank Heeman and Lloyd Holt are correct (the signatures are correct too, one not shown, it's in the program, Kenny Moore). The 88T may be a tough one.
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Post by: oldtimeracer on November 14, 2011, 12:57:20 PM: 88T last name Cunningham seems as though it was Dan but I also think there was a brother than raced it
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on November 14, 2011, 01:14:21 PM: Quote from: oldtimeracer on November 14, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
88T last name Cunningham seems as though it was Dan but I also think there was a brother than raced it
Dan Cunningham is correct.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on November 16, 2011, 09:17:50 PM: Anybody have any Rene Charland Pics of the past ?
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Post by: argonrcn on November 16, 2011, 10:40:19 PM: Quote from: JGALLANT on November 16, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
Anybody have any Rene Charland Pics of the past ?

1970 SHANGRI-LA ALLSTAR RACE.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on November 22, 2011, 09:47:59 PM: Don Diffendorf in the Sandman #12 at Fulton. Not sure of the year. Smith Photo. I remember this car when it came over on the dirt. Chuck Ciprich gave it some good rides and one very scary one where he knocked a hunk out of the Rolling Wheels Amilee Pro score board about 15 feet up in the air! Duh...now I see the sept 69 on the photo edge.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 22, 2011, 09:49:54 PM: Dale Merz in the 4D latemodel - modern stock at Fulton. Photo print date on edge says Sept 1969. Smith Photo.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 22, 2011, 10:21:51 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on November 22, 2011, 09:47:59 PM
Chuck Ciprich gave it some good rides and one very scary one where he knocked a hunk out of the Rolling Wheels Amilee Pro score board about 15 feet up in the air!

I have the other pic of him actually knocking down the scoreboard somewhere. Think it was 1972. Not sure of photographer, maybe B&B.

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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 22, 2011, 10:37:04 PM: I found it.

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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 22, 2011, 11:37:39 PM: WOW!!! Talk about heavy impact, that's just amazing! And how ironic is it that the 2 worst wrecks in probably all of Rolling Wheels history involved Chuck Ciprich? The other was when Jeff Kappesser stalled along the outside wall coming off turn 4, and everyone was scrambling to get underneath him. Ciprich came off 4 by the outside wall and throttled Kappesser wide open. A huge ball of fire, both cars flipped numerous times, with Ciprich stopping where the crossover gate used to be. Not a wheel or single piece of bodywork left on the car.

I saw Ciprich a couple of years ago at a Waterloo Reunion party and asked him if he remembered the crash. He did and said he never lifted because he never saw Kappesser. He went on to say that he was knocked out cold in the wreck and didn't regain consciousness until after he got to the hospital. He chuckled about the rest of the story though. He said that when he finally woke up, his car owner was standing in the emergency room with a real concerned look on his face. Chuck knew he was involved in a wreck because he was still wearing his firesuit, so he asked if the car could be fixed before the feature. The car owner (I forget who he said it was) told him the car wasn't all that bad. So Chuck asked him what they were waiting for, and insisted that they go back to the track to fix the car.

To this day, after thousands of races, that wreck is still among the worst I've ever seen personally. If I had to guess, this would have been in the '77 - '78 - '79 area.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on November 23, 2011, 01:39:03 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on November 22, 2011, 11:37:39 PM
WOW!!! Talk about heavy impact, that's just amazing! And how ironic is it that the 2 worst wrecks in probably all of Rolling Wheels history involved Chuck Ciprich? The other was when Jeff Kappesser stalled along the outside wall coming off turn 4, and everyone was scrambling to get underneath him. Ciprich came off 4 by the outside wall and throttled Kappesser wide open. A huge ball of fire, both cars flipped numerous times, with Ciprich stopping where the crossover gate used to be. Not a wheel or single piece of bodywork left on the car.

I saw Ciprich a couple of years ago at a Waterloo Reunion party and asked him if he remembered the crash. He did and said he never lifted because he never saw Kappesser. He went on to say that he was knocked out cold in the wreck and didn't regain consciousness until after he got to the hospital. He chuckled about the rest of the story though. He said that when he finally woke up, his car owner was standing in the emergency room with a real concerned look on his face. Chuck knew he was involved in a wreck because he was still wearing his firesuit, so he asked if the car could be fixed before the feature. The car owner (I forget who he said it was) told him the car wasn't all that bad. So Chuck asked him what they were waiting for, and insisted that they go back to the track to fix the car.

To this day, after thousands of races, that wreck is still among the worst I've ever seen personally. If I had to guess, this would have been in the '77 - '78 - '79 area.
I might have a pic of that too if it's the wreck I'm thinking of. Was he driving Denny Plank's 77x?
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 23, 2011, 01:57:59 AM: Plancks car was a yellow 77x. This was a dark blue 38 if I remember right.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 23, 2011, 02:11:55 AM: I just found his flip in the 77x at RWR in a '78 program (If that's Chuck Akulis passing by as he hits the scoreboard in '72, it's kind of ironic that Akulis is on the cover of the '78 program). It is a different wreck. I'll post it tomorrow. It did say he was shaken up. Man, he had some nasty wrecks. I posted the one at Weedsport in '76 in the 0 a while back.

I'm wondering if the one you remember was also '78. Kappesser was still driving Late Models in '77 I think, and I have almost all of the '79 programs.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 23, 2011, 03:57:12 AM: Kappesser was driving a gray 37j Modified - but my memory says the numbers were blue. This one below has red numbers and from 1979.

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I believe it was his first year, and I also want to say it was Mopar powered. Anyway, he started toward the front (back in the good old days of honest handicapping). He turned maybe 1 or 2 laps, and then the car stalled going through the 4th turn. He did what he could... stayed tight to the wall because the pits in those days were in the infield. The problem was, his car became invisible in the shadow cast from the front stretch lights over the front stretch wall. I was on the top row about 50 feet down from where the 4th turn ends and becomes the front stretch. The impact was dead in front of me.

It's not often when the sound of the impact punches you in the chest like Mike Tyson, and this one did. You'll know the picture I am talking about when you see it. It's FUGLY. I could be wrong, but I think the motor and tranny were also chucked out of the Ciprich car.
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Post by: Frasson118 on November 23, 2011, 11:17:20 AM: If it was the Blue38, it was owned by Ed LaPrade.... But I think Kappy was still in LM's when Chuck was in the 38.

Ciprich did pick up a ride (that I know got torn up, but wasn't there to know the details), with Ray Quinlas in a 43x. This would have been with Kappy in a Mod. I believe that same car was resurrected as a Blue 1x later on.

33 years has clouded the memory cells.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 23, 2011, 11:29:31 AM: Here's the flip at RWR in '78. In the recap from Rolling Wheels it states this was Chuck's first race back on the DIRT circuit since another crash (it wasn't specific). It also said he was knocked unconscious, but was checked and released from the hospital. I'm not sure what year he drove the #38. I only went to 2 races in '78 and 3 races in '77, but I do remember him driving it. Maybe the bad flip was earlier in '78.

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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 23, 2011, 12:47:46 PM: It's really not a big deal. I don't remember if it was NSSN or Gater, but one of them had a 4 or 5 picture sequence of the crash. The car Ciprich was driving was definitely a Pinto if that helps, but don't pull your hair out looking for the pictures on my account. ;) You guys are making me feel guilty here. I still have every Gater, Stock Car Racing magazine, Open Wheel, Late Model Racer and Dirt Trackin' that I ever bought dating back to 1972, and all are in very good to pristine condition - especially the SCR's. But they are in storage and I can't get at them without a full day of work getting them out and putting them back :(
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 23, 2011, 02:03:25 PM: I don't mind going threw my programs at all. I just have a gap between '77 and '78. There were a lot of family issues those couple of years. I'm betting it was in '78. I'm jealous that you have gater's. Most of mine are missing or fell apart. I had gater's back to '69. My gater yearbooks are falling apart too. :(
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 23, 2011, 02:30:29 PM: My divorce began about the end of 2003, which resulted in my moving back to mom and dads for a while. All of my magazines and newspapers are stored in 2 large, light tight wooden crates, and went into the basement at my parents house. I was married almost 24 years and a guy can accumulate a lot of stuff in that time. Since the magazine collection meant a lot to me, it was one of the first things I moved. It also put it at the bottom of my stuff. The video is the most prized thing I own - and that never left my sight.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 23, 2011, 06:29:22 PM: You're kinda lucky. The first time I moved back in with the parents, I lost a bunch of programs in the move (I still think one of my "friends" swiped them). For years they sat in my parents basement. That ruined most of my gaters. Even the few I have left are fragile. The programs held up ok though. They now reside in my dark closet. I have to go through them once in while, just so I can remember those days. The older I get, the less I remember.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 23, 2011, 08:09:06 PM: Is this the car you're thinking of? This is '77. Jeff Kappesser is still running Late Models, as he's leading the points at Rolling Wheels in this program. I assume Chuck started the '78 season with this car too, but I don't have any earlier '78 programs (the earliest is #16). Kappesser was a rookie in the mods in '78 (he was actually 3rd in rookie points behind Jerry Knox and Jack Emerson, but 2 positions ahead of Danny Johnson). Man, if that happened in '78, that would be two nasty flips at RWR in a matter of weeks.

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Post by: Willie41 on November 23, 2011, 10:38:52 PM: Hey this is a real nice board. I've spent the last few nights perrusing it. There's some good stuff here. I think I'll just hang around if nobody minds & take in the reminisence.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on November 23, 2011, 11:13:08 PM: Quote from: Willie41 on November 23, 2011, 10:38:52 PM
Hey this is a real nice board. I've spent the last few nights perrusing it. There's some good stuff here. I think I'll just hang around if nobody minds & take in the reminisence.
Welcome!!!!! There's lots of good stuff here.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 23, 2011, 11:46:31 PM: That is the car I remember, but after what Jerry said, I am starting to question my memory because I remember the 43x car as well. Hmmmmm....
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 24, 2011, 10:43:35 PM: I believe Chuck drove another self-owned greenish-blue #38 prior to the car in the program picture. I remember he said, that car was the worst handling car he ever drove. I think it may have been a Tobias chassis. I believe my brother Darrell has a pic of it somewhere. I don't remember the wild crash off turn four which is weird as I would have been there for sure if it happened between 77 to 79 and we were quite friendly with Chuck as he comes from our neck of the woods. Here's a pic I shot at Syracuse that I believe to be Chuck in a sprint car although I've never been able to confirm that it's him. I believe he was involved in a first turn crash that flipped an Oswego Super and sent this car airborne but it came back to Earth right side up!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 25, 2011, 01:57:10 AM: I wouldn't doubt that's Chuck. My Dad always said, if it had four wheels and a motor, Chargin' Charlie would drive it. I can't count how many cars I've seen him in (or maybe I can). I saw him drive URC at Weedsport and Rolling Wheels a few times. The only sprint car race I saw at the Fair was the '74 Salt City 100. I did hear he wrecked his super at the fair one year.

Just for fun, cars I actually remember seeing him drive...
Yellow #38 coupe (his I believe)
Sandman Coach #12
Sandman Coupe #12
Another Sandman #12 (pinto or gremlin)
Davidson #81 Gremlin
Davidson #81 Vega (i think)
His #48 Pinto (I think it said in a program this used to be one of the Sandman cars he bought)
Sincerbeaux 0 Coupe
Sincerbeaux 0 Pinto
The #38 Pinto in the pic on the last page

The Tobin #21 Super
The C-15 Super
Ron Buckners #36 Super

At least one Sprint Car

Of course there were more that I don't actually remember seeing him drive.
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Post by: justmark on November 25, 2011, 02:10:23 AM: Chuck also drove the ex-Tom Forgione #50 Cavalier Modified in 1985.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: 112SMW on November 25, 2011, 05:12:27 AM: And don't forget he drove the Hemi Cuda for Ed Close.Chuck is now in Florida for the winter but I do see him from time to time during the summer.He always has a smile and a laugh for you when ever he is around.
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Post by: 112SMW on November 25, 2011, 11:55:05 AM: I forgot about 2 other asphalt modifieds that Chuck drove:the #40 owned by Al Schutt and the #21 owned by Dale Marion.
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Post by: argonrcn on November 25, 2011, 12:47:49 PM: NOT TO MUCH OF AN OLDIE, BUT IT IS TIME FOR TURKEY DERBY. FROM 2005, GOT A LUCKY KEEPER SHOT.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Frasson118 on November 25, 2011, 03:40:44 PM: The Tom Ewing/Binner-Peters 66
The Dale Merz 4D
The Ray Quinlas 43x
A blue 1x Gremlin,not sure who owned it
Augie Leibers 57
the 125 that Dave Pace also drove (can't recall the owner)
---- more coming -----
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Post by: leftyturner on November 25, 2011, 04:07:05 PM: I thought I remember that Chuck tried qualifying for INDY once?
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Post by: Frasson118 on November 25, 2011, 04:26:41 PM: I believe you are right. Chuck, and Ron Buckner tried in a car that Ron built himself.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 09:31:53 PM: I remember that Buckner ordered a car to try to qualify for Indy but the builder never got it done in time as bigger name racers kept ordering and they bumped Chuck's car down the list. By the time it was done, Indy was over and it was already becoming out-dated. I think Chuck raced the Indycar at Pocono that year and I think he did his Indy rookie test (possibly the following year) but the car couldn't be brought up to a speed good enough to attempt a qualifying run. That's what I remember but it was a long time ago and I can't afford to even pay attention so I may be all wet! Does anyone remember Jim Hurtubise bringing his front engine "Mallard" car to Indy and attempting to qualify well into the seventies! The last few years they would roll it out just in time for the gun to fire ending official qualifying and he would throw open the hood revealing a cooler full of cold beer where the engine should have been!! Gotta love it. Here's HERK on his way to winning the 1959 Sacramento 100 Champ car race, one of his first big victories! He's got her hung out with the Offy really roaring! That's when men were men and smelled like horses! Awesome Photo by the master, Bob Tronolone.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 09:34:57 PM: Here's a photo of a little kid named Dale meeting one of his heros, Jim "HERK" Hurtubise at the 1970 Langhorne National open. Photo by Norm Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 09:37:54 PM: Here's the Gil Bruss #2 that Herk drove that day. I believe this car as the #22 later ran on the DIRT circuit with Gary Iulg at the wheel. photo by Norm Welty.
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Post by: leftyturner on November 25, 2011, 09:42:12 PM: Copy & pasted this from wikipedia:

Indianapolis 500Hurtubise ran in ten Indianapolis 500 races between 1960 and 1974. His best finish was a 13th in 1962. In 1972 he ran out fuel, but was towed through the infield, which resulted in his disqualification. In the 1968 race, he ran the last front engined car to date in the race. He attempted to qualify a front engined car for the Indy 500 every year from 1975 to 1981 but failed to do so in each of those years. On May 21, 1972, on "bump day", he put his Miller Beer sponsored car in line to make a qualification attempt shortly before the closing deadline of 6:00 PM. The time expired before it was his turn to qualify. He then removed the engine cover to reveal that the car had no engine, but five chilled cases of his sponsor's product, which he shared with the other pit crews and race officials.[1] In 1978, he did not meet the certified speed and was denied an attempt to make the race. He sat in Bob Harkey’s car and locked the brakes. He then ran on the track until he was apprehended by the police. But by 1979, was in USAC's good graces.

[edit] Indy 500 resultsYear Chassis Engine Start Finish
1960 Christensen Offy 23rd 18th
1961 Epperly Offy 3rd 22nd
1962 Watson Offy 29th 13th
1963 Kurtis Kraft Novi 2nd 22nd
1964 Hurtubise Offy 11th 14th
1965 Kurtis Kraft Novi 23rd 33rd
1966 Gerhardt Offy 22nd 17th
1967 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1968 Mallard Offy 30th 30th
1969 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1970 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1971 Mallard Offy Qualifying Crash
1972 Coyote Foyt 13th 23rd
1973 Lola Offy Failed to Qualify
1974 McLaren M16 Offy 28th 25th
1975 Eagle Offy Failed to Qualify
1976 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1977 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1978 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1979 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1980 Mallard Offy Failed to Qualify
1981 King Offy Failed to Qualify
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 11:01:23 PM: Jim Hurtubise on the way to winning a hundred miler at Langhorne in 1960. This is the orange-redish #56 which later ran a stock block Chevy which put a hurtin on the 4 cylinder Offy which only put out around 400 horses but had a lot of grunt. Bruce Craig photo.
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Post by: argonrcn on November 25, 2011, 11:05:53 PM: TAKEN IN 1970 AT LANCASTER OPEN. I HAD HEARD OF HIM, BUT KNEW NOTHING OF HIM , ONLY THAT HE DROVE USAC. WAS SITTING IN THE BACK PIT GRANDSTAND AND WHO SITS DOWN NEXT TO ME? HE TALKED WITH US FOR A GOOD HALF HOUR LIKE HE HAD KNOWN US ALL OUR LIVES. GREAT MEMORY GREAT GUY.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 11:08:34 PM: I'm getting a little off the New York area of RACENEWYORK but since we've swerved into INDY remeberences heres a couple post card images from Indy. Here's another guy I always pulled for which is probably why I like Tony S as he's an AJ fan too....kinda acts like him sometimes but nobodies perfect. AJ won Indy in 1967 in this car. No photo credit on post card but rights are probably reserved by IMS as they sold me the post card.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 11:12:33 PM: Last Indy image. Grahm Hill in one of the famous Granatelli STP Turbine cars. This is the second year after they restricted the air intake and pretty much killed the turbine at Indy. Once again no photo credit on the post card.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 11:16:53 PM: Is the #22 the same car as the #2. I shot this in 1968 at the National Open at Langhorne. I think I have the rear of the Loescher coach. Not sure what I was trying to get but this is on the starting grid before the race. I was only nine years old so you gotta cut me some slack! pic by me. PS.... glad the white T-shirt look went out....I'd always have a big food stain on the front!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2011, 11:30:43 PM: LeftyTurner, Was the King Offy HERK tried to qualify at Indy in 1981 a front engine car? I know Grant King built some great dirt track Champ Cars in the roll cage era and of course some smokin hot dirt Modifieds. I'm thinking he was serious and built a typical rear engine pavement champ car but I don't remember. I was always amazed at the panoz sportscars which were successful just a few years ago with a front engine layout against rear engine cars. As stroker Ace said in his book, Dirt cars have their engines up front where GOD and Henry Ford intended them! Here's Ken Brenns Grant King built Gremlin at Syracuse circa 1977.
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Post by: railbird steve on November 26, 2011, 12:44:56 AM: OH WOW!!! I came home on leave from the marines and, saw Bobby Allison run a smallblock at dunndee and kick butt! 85-86iish great drivers can wheel anything dirt or pavement!
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 26, 2011, 08:51:38 AM: I went on line to the HAMB and see that the powers that be have kicked them off and set them up on another site...This was due to the modified thread not being a 'hot rod' site and not fitting in their scheme of things....I don't think we should EVER have a problem with someone posting something we don't feel 'fits' in the scope of this thread...love the shot from Wall and LOVE the old Champ-car and Indy stuff!!! It's all good. God Bless America! JMHO
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Post by: Frasson118 on November 26, 2011, 01:09:24 PM: Billy Rafter also drove the Gil Bruss 22.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 26, 2011, 02:36:21 PM: (https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg7.imageshack.us%2Fimg7%2F5815%2F74portgaryiulg.jpg&hash=ec66f2e004d7c167e4b787e7c7910bd480b07dba)

Gary Iulg in the Gil Bruss 22, 1974. Weedsport Speedway (Russ Mills Photo)
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Post by: argonrcn on November 26, 2011, 02:47:12 PM: HERE IS THE 22 AT LANCASTER WITH BILL RAFTER AS DRIVER.

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Post by: argonrcn on November 26, 2011, 03:06:21 PM: here are some indy car shots from langhorne (might be1969or70) shot by GEORGE BARR from shangri-la racing news. i remember going down with eight people in a stationwagon and watching race from the infield.
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Post by: Rich J on November 26, 2011, 07:43:22 PM: I remember the white #22 Gil Bruss coupe driven by Bill Rafter in '68. I believe Ed Ortiz drove it as the #0 with flames on the number. Also Jim Hurtubise drove it as the #2 and Gary Iulg drove it again as the #22. Is this the same car that was driven by Merv Treichler a the #58?
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Post by: argonrcn on November 26, 2011, 08:09:28 PM: can't be same car, look at picture at lancaster of the #2. #58 is right next to it!!!!!
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Post by: rannyville_concrete_eater on November 26, 2011, 10:14:45 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on November 26, 2011, 08:09:28 PM
can't be same car, look at picture at lancaster of the #2. #58 is right next to it!!!!!
Merv's car next to the Bruss #2 is Merv's own. The car he drove to victory at Langhorne in 1970. Merv drove for Bruss in 1971.
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Post by: modcrew18 on November 27, 2011, 02:32:22 AM: I believe the last guy to drive the #22 was Fred Coe, he drove it for a while at Ransomville until he crashed it and broke his arm. Davey Moore took over from there driving for Coe and Cudeck but i dont think he drove the coupe at all. That 22 was always fast, dirt at pavement.
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Post by: RWS on November 27, 2011, 09:38:30 AM: The 22 that Rafter drove (The Rebel Rouser) was destroyed at Daytona in 58/59? didnt even bring it back
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2011, 09:48:54 AM: Does anyone know is that Rislone #3 Indy Car Johnny Rutherford?
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2011, 10:47:55 AM: The #3 car was Bobby Unser in 1968 ..They used footage of this car in Paul Newman's movie "Winning"
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Post by: leftyturner on November 27, 2011, 06:42:43 PM: I just watched the movie Winning on Wednesday evening. Coincidental, in one of the prerace shots they are pushing Jim Hurtubise's Mallard onto the front stretch just in front of the 3 car. That would of been the last race that a front engined car raced in the 500. I have a postcard of it saved in my photos but I haven't figured out how to resize it to put it on here. Dale, I couldn't find a pic of the 1981 entry that Jim tried to qualify to know if it was front or rear engined.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2011, 09:49:53 PM: Back to Chuck Ciprich. Here's a good driver-car photo by Russ Mills from the Rolling Wheels 1975 program. This is the car I thought was #38 but I see now that it's his own #48. It was a greenish-blue as I remember it with a lot of fancy paint work and lettered by Tony Vickio. This is the car that he said handled so bad. As I recall it usually pushed entering the turn and then snapped around to be very loose off. I think it had a killer motor so as is often the case the car was just tight all the way but the driver made it loose with the throttle. Thats why you diagnose handling problems from corner entry first. Correct the tight in and you'll automatically cure most of the loose off problem. photos by Mills.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2011, 09:52:38 PM: Does anyone remember this car? I figured it's time to show off some latemodels. I think this is from 1981. It's from Cagles Speed Equipment ad in the Dirt Trackin Program.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2011, 09:59:36 PM: This is 1982. Says Tommy Williams on the pic. It's a Judge Photo. I don't remember this car nor the photographer so it may be an NDRA type latemodel. I recall they made a few passes through our local tracks back in the eighties. Does anyone recall this car-driver combo?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2011, 10:03:01 PM: From 1978. Jim Gariel with a victory. Russ Mills photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2011, 10:24:54 PM: Something else I had forgotten. Apparently in 1982 they began racing latemodels and the 320 Modified division together as one class. Here's a mad scramble from Utica Rome with Mitch Gibbs and Paul Jenson in latemodels! Clancey Miller photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 27, 2011, 10:28:51 PM: Her's another latemodel 320 mod combo. My old boss " The Gumaker"Chuck Kennison races against a camaro in 1982 at Weedsport. Lukowski photo.
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Post by: Frasson118 on November 27, 2011, 11:22:33 PM: I believe the Cagle picture was his entry at an NDRA Late model show they held at Rolling Wheels in the early '80s. Along with the tour regulars like Rodney Combs, Jeff Purvis, Larry Moore, etc... Other entries were Cagle, Kenny Brightbill, Gerald Chamberlain.... and also (I believe) the 1x of Tom Williams. Several local LM's also entered, but were severely outclassed by the full-blown LM's.

I think Walt Mitchell was one of the locals.

Im sure I'd have remembered more, but the story in Gater covering this race was "not received by the press deadline". Picked up bits and pieces over the years.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2011, 10:28:55 AM: I went out with my wife Saturday and we were browsing through a book store where I came across these.....

First shot is of Dutch Schaefer, on the cover of 'Empire Raceways' Aug. 10, 1949 program
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2011, 10:32:23 AM: Inside cover...
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2011, 10:36:09 AM: Cover of June 29, 1949 'Empire Raceways' program...Mike Nazaruk
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 28, 2011, 10:47:08 AM: inside cover with story on Mike Nazaruk
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 28, 2011, 10:18:23 PM: You mentioned Walt Mitchell and heres a photo from 1978. One time at the old Waterloo Fairgrounds track (Maple Grove) I raced against Walt. This was my second or third year driving so it must have been 1976 or 77. I had blown my good engine the week before and we had a stock L88 454 right out of a Corvette that we had got in a trade of a slightly modified Small Block. All we did was put our intake and carb on it and went racing. For some reason Walt and another Latemodel were running in with the modifieds. I remember that engine shook like a sumbeech and didn't have much power but Walt in that big ol' fendered car was holding me up for a couple laps before I got by him. Waterloo was pretty narrow most of the way around and when he threw that MOPAR dinosar sideways it took up most of the track! I think we blew the engine up the next night at Weedsport.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 28, 2011, 10:21:43 PM: Roger Phelps with an early victory in 1978. does anyone recognize people on the crew? I think this was a Bushbacker chassis.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 28, 2011, 10:25:06 PM: Nice color shot of Chalie Castle 1978 DIRT Circuit latemodel champ. Russ Mills photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 28, 2011, 10:27:41 PM: another shot of Denis Taney with the #66 in victory lane in 1978.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 28, 2011, 10:34:18 PM: Speaking of Denis.....Here's the cover of the 1973 NYS Fair race program showing the 1972 winner Kenny Brightbill. Notice anyone and his brother in the background? Who is it and does anyone know any of the other background people?
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 29, 2011, 09:27:26 AM: 'Rules of Racing' from Empire Raceways program
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 29, 2011, 10:13:40 PM: What does "Potolski for Cars" mean? It's at the bottom of the rules. Here's a latemodel pic with Walt Mitchel from the 1973 Weedsport program. Carl Rice photograph.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 29, 2011, 10:16:34 PM: Some more Latemodel action from the 73 Weedsport program. Carl Rice photo. Car zero looks like he might be on pavement tires so it's no wonder he's losing it!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on November 30, 2011, 12:51:05 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on November 29, 2011, 10:16:34 PM
Some more Latemodel action from the 73 Weedsport program. Carl Rice photo. Car zero looks like he might be on pavement tires so it's no wonder he's losing it!
I have that program. I wonder who's on the cover?? :) Actually if you look at the Sandman pinto in that program, I'm almost 50% sure that may be Ciprich's #48. He said in an interview that he bought the #48 from Sandman.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 30, 2011, 11:58:31 AM: Hi Dale..."Potolski for cars ' was the primary sponsor of the program...Potolski International Inc. 'Capitol District's Oldest Used Car Dealer'
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 30, 2011, 10:21:42 PM: Here's a pic from that program Bigfeet, showing Ciprich leading Cagle. It does look like the Sandman #12 Pinto is the same car as Ciprich's own #48. I don't actually remember the Sandman Pinto so I wonder if they ran it for very long? pic by Mills.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 01, 2011, 12:29:22 AM: This is what he was driving earlier in '73. This program is vol. 3. I vaguely remember this car. I believe it was a blue #12 Gremlin. Not sure if it was a Sandman car though. Russ mills photos.

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And, a Sandman Late Model!!!! 1972.

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Post by: oldtimeracer on December 01, 2011, 08:02:25 AM: The 12 Gremlin was also driven by Bob Sandman and I do believe John Podolak. Ed LaPadre owned one of Ciprich's 38's.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2011, 03:55:02 PM: THEN...From cover of 1974 Schaffer 100 program
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2011, 03:56:49 PM: AND NOW.... Buzzies placard from Florida
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2011, 04:00:49 PM: cover of 1972 Schaffer 100
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 01, 2011, 10:02:06 PM: Now that I see the pic of the Sandman Gremlin I recall that and it was blue but still don't ever remember seeing the Pinto though obviously I would have been there when those pictures were taken. Here's the 1978 DIRT circuit champ Will Cagle at Syracuse.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 02, 2011, 12:24:42 AM: I find it absolutely amazing that Will Cagle won just about everything there is to win, but Syracuse eluded him like a school skipper would a truant officer.

And Dale - take a look at Cagles car again. Is that a mirror hanging from the roof?
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on December 02, 2011, 08:28:08 AM: Buzzie still looks great! I wonder if Aaron's will be sponsoring him in 2012?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 02, 2011, 08:13:05 PM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on December 02, 2011, 12:24:42 AM
I find it absolutely amazing that Will Cagle won just about everything there is to win, but Syracuse eluded him like a school skipper would a truant officer.

And Dale - take a look at Cagles car again. Is that a mirror hanging from the roof?
I saw him dominate Weedsport and Rolling Wheels, but I never saw him run well at Syracuse. I never went to a Schaefer, but I went to 5 or 6 Labor Day races
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 03, 2011, 12:32:46 AM: :) Maybe that's because he was too busy looking at what was going on behind him instead of what was going on in front of him :D
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2011, 08:42:20 AM: I never drove a race car with a rear view mirror. They were illegal on the DIRT Circuit except I believe I recall that Syracuse was the exception as the powers that be thought at those high speeds it could be a safety issue if you accidentally chopped someone getting into the turns. On the other side the Moody Mile is probably one of the best places you could use a mirror to block with. I have a hard enough time watching where I'm going without worrying about whats behind!
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2011, 09:48:41 AM: What's that line from the movie 'Gumball Rally'... "Once a behinda me isa not important"
The next four pictures are from the 1974 Syracuse Memorial Day race program....
New Jersey's Bob Rossell (looks like it was taken @ 5 mile point) No photog info
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2011, 09:49:47 AM: Pennsy's Dick Tobias
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2011, 09:50:58 AM: Canada's Lloyd Holt
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2011, 09:51:45 AM: New York's Jimmy Winks
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Post by: JGALLANT on December 04, 2011, 08:57:27 PM: The 2nd # 51 is Mike Colsten and the #26 is Frank Mears.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 04, 2011, 09:48:59 PM: I was thinking the 1st 51 was Colsten as well. Trying to figure out where the picture of the 26 was taken. Seems odd that it's on the cover of the Weedsport program, and not taken at Weedsport. Woodhull maybe?
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Post by: argonrcn on December 04, 2011, 10:07:54 PM: SEEING THAT IT'S FRANK MEARS IN THE #26, MY GUESS PICTURE IS AT FIVE MILE. LOOKS LIKE THE FOOD STAND IN BACK OF GRANDSTANDS.
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Post by: Modbuilder on December 04, 2011, 11:13:56 PM: The #51 mod I believe is Canadian Terry Edwards.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 05, 2011, 12:57:41 AM: Terry Edwards
Mike Colsten
Frank Mears

All these years and I never noticed the Frank Mears pic wasn't Weedsport. It's obvious too. How did I miss that one for 36 years? I don't recognize the track, but Five Mile Point would make sense. I know he ran there.
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Post by: no74falcon on December 05, 2011, 06:15:35 AM: The shot of Will Cagle... 1978 and still using an old Ford axle.
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Post by: Willie41 on December 06, 2011, 07:27:06 PM: Hey Allen you're right. It IS an old Ford axel. Those things just won't go away. Why just this afternoon I was looking @ the 1 that goes. In my SST
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Post by: no74falcon on December 10, 2011, 06:04:23 AM: Well well... Willie Miller! Great to see you here! Did you know I still go the back way to Oneida just so I can go past your dad's house and look at his red Ford sitting out back? Sometimes I think I make up excuses to go to Oneida just so I can see his house. Always brings back GREAT childhood memories.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 10, 2011, 07:43:50 AM: Here's a two for one. You get Frankie Chapman (SR) in the Bug with a heat win and "Big Bad" Bob Frisbie coming out for his heat in a modern. This was shot at Chemung Speedrome by L.O. Duncan.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 10, 2011, 07:47:51 AM: The Bugs at Chemung coming off turn four. Shot from the hillside probably by my brother Darrell or one of my sisters Darlene or Vicky.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 10, 2011, 07:50:32 AM: I need some help here. Not sure who the 2A Bug is in this L.O. Duncan photo from Cemung Speedrome.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 10, 2011, 07:54:22 AM: I've posted this pic before but I know we have a lot of new people on here and I really like the action that L.O. Duncan was able to catch in this shot from Chemung. The 60x is apparently Kenny Moore "the flying Milk Man" and he is flying here. Chubby Chandler should be in the 112 and maybe Cliff Pierce in the 40 or Bud Carey if its 4D.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 10, 2011, 08:00:51 AM: Not sure who the number 7 is but it's a sharp car. Cliff Pierce in the 16 barely squeezes by. L.O. Duncan snapped this one at the perfect moment to catch the tire bouncing off the earth and tire wall that surrounded Chemung. I don't know if it was before or after this time that there was a big ditch or moat between the track surface and the wall, maybe someone a hair older than me will know. Never remember hearing anybody complaining about the ditch-wall situation but it had to be hard on cars! Does anybody have a pic that shows what I'm talking about?
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Post by: greyhairedracer on December 10, 2011, 08:39:17 AM: The 2A was Dick Regan from Pine City, NY and the 7 was Ron McClure from Troy, PA
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Post by: greyhairedracer on December 10, 2011, 09:35:59 AM: Does anyone remember if the Dick Regan 2A pictured above is the ex Earl Bodine 188? also of note is the Chandler #112---this car was a sister car to the B13 that Pat Judson drove and was built in the Elmira, NY shop of Ernie June-----The #4 of Frank Chapman---is that the T K McClain owne car that was called the Dixie Twister?
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Post by: argonrcn on December 10, 2011, 11:02:12 AM: HERE ARE A FEW PAGES FROM GEORGE BARR'S SHANGRILA RACING NEWS.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on December 10, 2011, 11:23:59 AM: two more that didn't work on last post :o

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: 112SMW on December 10, 2011, 07:16:32 PM: The 2A of Dick Reagan was the former 188 of Earl Bodine.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Willie41 on December 10, 2011, 08:08:12 PM: Yeh Allen. I,ve been tryin to get in touch w/you. But my computer say isn't quite what it should be. Believe it or not, I live between you & dad. Between 1/2 & 3/4 of a mile south of Peterboro on Pleasant valley road. You'll recognise the place by the stock car chassis in front of the garage
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on December 10, 2011, 11:00:25 PM: HERES A FEW MORE RANDOM SHOTS FROM GEORGE BARR'S ARCHIVES!!!
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on December 10, 2011, 11:44:59 PM: Great Pics argonrcn and Claychamp123. Here's some Late Model shots from Weedsport. (Russ Mills Pics)

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on December 11, 2011, 10:26:47 AM: HERE A FEW MORE SHANGRI-LA NEWS PHOTOS TO CHECK OUT WHILE WATCHING THE FOOTBALL GAMES.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on December 11, 2011, 12:28:25 PM: The #33 Falcon looks to be an ex-Troyer car. Who's driving it?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on December 11, 2011, 12:39:30 PM: #33 WAS EDDIE RAFFERTY. I REMEMBER THAT CAR HAD A FEW PAINT SCHEMES AND DRIVERS. IT PROBABLY WAS A TROYER CAR, BUT I CAN'T SAY MYSELF. ANYONE ELSE KNOW?????
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on December 11, 2011, 01:53:26 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on December 11, 2011, 12:39:30 PM
#33 WAS EDDIE RAFFERTY. I REMEMBER THAT CAR HAD A FEW PAINT SCHEMES AND DRIVERS. IT PROBABLY WAS A TROYER CAR, BUT I CAN'T SAY MYSELF. ANYONE ELSE KNOW?????

It looks exactly like the #17 falcon (which was a Troyer car) that Eddie's driving in the other pic.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on December 11, 2011, 09:32:30 PM: Great to see another pic of the Greame Bolia #331 that later became my families first Dirt Modified. Heres a Chemung Speedrome pic of Jimmy Z in the gold Buick #71 Latemodel or "limited". Must have been a special afternoon show as Shangrila and Chemung ran on the same night. photo by L.O. Duncan.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on December 12, 2011, 10:12:58 AM: HERE ARE SOME MORE SRN IMAGES.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: schoonie34 on December 12, 2011, 10:44:25 PM: I have a friend that was planning a garage sale to get rid of his old photos that are hanging around. I told him that I would post this to see if there is any intrest in his photos. My friend is Dave Lukowski the photographer that was the correct answer to the first post of this thread. His old photo collection takes in Weedsport. Five Mile, and most DIRT events. He was the track photographer at Weedsport and Five Mile and contributing photographer for Gater. I'm trying to convince him to set up next to our race car at the Gater car show in March.. What do you think out there any interest?????
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on December 13, 2011, 12:32:11 AM: I'm sure there will be interest. I'm assuming they are late '70s to early '80s?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 13, 2011, 04:57:53 AM: schoonie34 -

If you are in regular contact with Lukowski, please pass a message along to him. There were 3 major race photographers in the '70s for Gater in this region... Lukowski, Russ Mills and Ron Cooley. Any picture that was printed in the Gater from Canandaigua, Weedsport, Rolling Wheels, Syracuse, Waterloo in 1977 and so many more, were take by those 3 guys. The nostalgia thing is ENORMOUS right now. If those 3 guys were to get together, set up a super booth, and advertise the hell out of it in the Gater - they'd clean up.

I've been trying to locate Dave for years to present the idea and get him motivated. I wish Dave would get a website so that all of the people who used to live here and have moved to other parts of the country could get a chance to support him.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: oldtimeracer on December 13, 2011, 08:46:29 AM: I would be very interested if he wants to sell
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on December 13, 2011, 08:57:01 PM: found some cool stuff today....
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on December 13, 2011, 08:57:38 PM: and this....
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: schoonie34 on December 13, 2011, 09:00:22 PM: Half Fast Bob

I will see Dave tomorrow night and pass the word. The pics are from the 70 and 80
Thanks
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: schoonie34 on December 14, 2011, 10:22:36 PM: Lukowski is in for the Gater show - most of his collection is programs and gater year books that he contributed to 6-8 cartons of stuff
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 15, 2011, 05:06:50 AM: schoonie -

A couple of questions... Does Dave have contact info for Mills and Cooley? And does he have any of his negatives?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: oldtimeracer on December 15, 2011, 10:48:23 AM: Russ Mills still lives in Auburn as far as I know. All his racing related memorabilia including pictures & negatives were lost in a fire
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 15, 2011, 09:29:24 PM: Doesn't that figure?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on December 16, 2011, 12:25:23 AM: Quote from: oldtimeracer on December 15, 2011, 10:48:23 AM
Russ Mills still lives in Auburn as far as I know. All his racing related memorabilia including pictures & negatives were lost in a fire
That makes me sad. I wish I had money when I was a kid and bought up a bunch from the photo booth. :(
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 16, 2011, 08:02:26 AM: That makes 2 of us. I had all I could do to scrape up 35 cents for the Gater and a buck for Dirt Trackin' magazine every week. My Stock Car Racing Magazine subscription was a Christmas present.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: DannyO on December 17, 2011, 01:27:02 PM: Hey Bob, Im working on getting some Twin Valley and Ovid movies. Ill call ya
Title: Re: oldies but goodiesg
Post by: Willie41 on December 17, 2011, 08:28:13 PM: Watched the Richie Evans biography on speed channel lest night. It,s going to be rebroadcast so if you missed it don't worry. It's worth the watch
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: oldtimeracer on December 19, 2011, 09:01:16 AM: Twin Valley..Funny I was just talking to Wally Burnett regarding Twin Valley yesterday
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: DannyO on December 20, 2011, 10:09:36 PM: Im looking for any old 8mm movies from any track in the Southern New York from 1940s-70s, in hopes to archive any of these films before they get destroyed.

I transfer and 8mm movies to DVD...FOR FREE AT NO COST......There is still some footage that I heard people have that is still out there, and I would like to archive as must as I can to educate the publicand oreserve for future generations.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 21, 2011, 12:18:22 AM: Don't stop there, Danny.

We can transfer ALL formats... VHS or Beta Tape, 8mm or Super 8mm, 16mm, video recorded on Audio Cassette and Polavision. And if you've got video on aluminum foil, we'll figure that out too.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on December 26, 2011, 11:40:10 PM: DW...found this pic on We-Go facebook pages....
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2011, 09:05:48 AM: Here's one from a Fivemile Point program circa 1973. Maybe Mark can fill us in. He might remember this as he looks like he's about to have a "discussion!"! Maybe someone can fill us in on the cars involved. No photo credit in program.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2011, 09:12:54 AM: heres one for our Denis Taney fans. A win in his mini stock at Fivemile around 72 or 73. Not sure what type of car this is. I remember him telling me a story about plugging the right front brake line and the tech inspector looking at his very rusty right front brake and telling him he must have something wrong with that brake. Right front shut-offs were against the rules.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2011, 09:18:48 AM: Another of Denis at Fivemile point up against one of the mini Mod greats Bruce Detro. I'm sure Detro must be a Volvo...still not sure on Denis' car. I own program..no photo credit.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2011, 09:21:19 AM: Never saw a comment on the people behind Brightbill so I'm posting again.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 28, 2011, 12:52:33 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2011, 09:21:19 AM
Never saw a comment on the people behind Brightbill so I'm posting again.
I have this program too, but the cover's missing. It's a little hard to see, but the guy in the beard looks like Walt Mitchell.
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Post by: vintage44x on December 28, 2011, 09:05:57 AM: Trying to find a pic of Don Yeingst in a white coupe #47 at Shangri-la. I've seen one of the car in a wreck there but that's the only one I've seen. I used to own his #44 'cuda that he ran at Shangri-la. Hope someone has a shot of the #47.
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Post by: argonrcn on December 31, 2011, 08:23:56 PM: IF YOU ARE STAYING IN TONIGHT, HERE ARE SOME MORE SHOTS FROM GEORGE BARR'S COLLECTION TO LOOK AT. IF YOU ARE GOING OUT BE CAREFUL, BUT ENJOY!! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 01, 2012, 11:10:09 AM: NASCAR proram cover fron NYS fairgrounds...5-30-1957
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 01, 2012, 11:12:05 AM: NASCAR program cover from NYS fairgrounds...9-5-1957
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 01, 2012, 11:13:56 AM: NASCAR racing program from NYS fairgrounds...9-6-1956
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2012, 11:24:54 AM: program cover from Niagara Indoor Midget Racing Series...March of 1997
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2012, 11:25:51 AM: blow-up of insert from same program..(no photog info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2012, 11:28:49 AM: program cover from NIMRS...Dec. 1997
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2012, 11:31:00 AM: program cover from NIMRS...Jan 1998
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2012, 11:36:32 AM: cover picture from 1946 Langhorn 100 miler
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2012, 11:39:02 AM: program cover picture from 1947 100 miler... 1946 race winner Pepper Cunningham
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2012, 11:49:01 AM: From 1980 SHangri-La program cover...1979 NASCAR champion Richie Evans
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2012, 09:29:35 PM: Wow it looks like #59 on the 1946 Langhorne program is a rag-top!
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 04, 2012, 05:29:35 PM: Program cover from Hamburg....
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 04, 2012, 05:34:06 PM: picture from the cover of a Empire Speedway program cover..photo by A. McDowell
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Post by: Tom Ames on January 05, 2012, 01:26:19 PM: So, who knows this car and Driver? Second picture is the crew....
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Post by: Tom Ames on January 05, 2012, 01:27:08 PM: Anyone know the crew?
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Post by: sprintdaddy on January 05, 2012, 02:19:34 PM: Mr.Tom Ames, Pa believes the driver of the #60 is Mr.Bob Johnson and he spotted Mr.Mike Burdett with the crew......sincerly Ma
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Post by: Tom Ames on January 05, 2012, 02:29:55 PM: correct Mike is the one second from the left and yes the driver is Bob Johnson..... I'll reveal more of the crew, but we will wait a bit to see if anyone else knows the rest...lol trivia is good,.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2012, 04:31:35 PM: This must be at Woodhull? People have asked me since I started racing there if I was related...the answer would be no. These are the first pics I have seen of him...very cool!!! signed...the other Bob Johnson
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2012, 04:43:06 PM: Program cover from Naples
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2012, 04:47:47 PM: W.O.O. program cover from 5 Mile Point dated July 24, 1979
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2012, 04:48:31 PM: top picture (no photog. info)
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2012, 04:49:03 PM: bottom photo
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2012, 05:01:37 PM: While I'm thinking of this, I was talking with Bobby June about Cuba Lake and he told me about this time a young guy was trying like a son of a gun to get somebody at Cuba let him drive their car. He went from pit stall to pit stall with no luck...no one would give him the time of day....his name? Jim Hurtibuse
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2012, 05:03:26 PM: One more...found this awhile ago...thought it was awesome! Port Royal w/ the big cars....
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on January 06, 2012, 06:17:05 AM: Now THAT is a cool picture. It's definitely up in my top 5 of nostalgia pics that people have posted.
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Post by: MOD27NY on January 06, 2012, 10:40:12 AM: Talk about BALLS
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Post by: bakes on January 06, 2012, 11:28:59 AM: Quote from: MOD27NY on January 06, 2012, 10:40:12 AM
Talk about BALLS

That may be my all time favorite racing related photo.
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Post by: Bigdog13 on January 06, 2012, 11:58:17 AM: The World of Outlaws show at 5MP in 1979 was the first trip to New York State for them. Lynn Paxton out of PA was the race winner but all of the heavy hitters were there. Paxton was on top of his game then .
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Post by: thewackyracer on January 06, 2012, 01:50:02 PM: OK mod27 I'm happy to give you your first attaboy for that shot and title.
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Post by: justmark on January 06, 2012, 08:13:40 PM: Are the guys in that photo related?!?!?!?
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Post by: bakes on January 06, 2012, 10:33:21 PM: The duelling birds pic is of Chuck Booth and Wally Meskowski at the Indianapolis Fairgrounds.
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Post by: thedoebes on January 06, 2012, 10:36:00 PM: Bakes,come on down to 5 Mile Point.Come over on my backstretch flagstand and you can get a real good upclose view of those middle finger salutes.lol
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 07, 2012, 12:02:03 PM: program cover from Empire Raceways....Albany
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 10, 2012, 01:22:32 AM: Brewerton 1970

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Post by: bakes on January 10, 2012, 10:38:56 AM: Quote from: thedoebes on January 06, 2012, 10:36:00 PM
Bakes,come on down to 5 Mile Point.Come over on my backstretch flagstand and you can get a real good upclose view of those middle finger salutes.lol

Ron, no doubt about that!!! LOL! Unless it's Cozze - Frank's usually running too close to the cushion to see into the cockpit to tell if he's flipping the bird. <g>
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Post by: Torpedotom on January 10, 2012, 11:07:22 AM: Great Brewerton pics. Big smile: Updike, Bolia, Orso, Carista. Thanks
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 10, 2012, 08:36:55 PM: 1952

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Post by: blackjackracing on January 14, 2012, 02:46:39 PM: I remember someone asking about Langhorn results not too long ago...I went back and tried to find that post and couldn't...anyways, I was searching something else and found this.. amazing how that works!

http://www.thevintageracer.com/tracks/langhorne_ntl_open.htm (http://www.thevintageracer.com/tracks/langhorne_ntl_open.htm)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 14, 2012, 05:09:50 PM: Looking at the 1971 National Open results, I believe only two of the drivers in that race will take to the track in 2012. Geoff Bodine and Buzzie Reutiman...possibly Ernie Marshall unless the one I read about is his son. Oh, and maybe Will Cagle. I don't feel all that old but I started racing 4 years after the 71 race and unless my health changes dramatically I intend to race way more than four more years! Just call me iron man......or maybe stupid!!! Here's a pic I snapped during the 71 race.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 14, 2012, 05:15:41 PM: Mr Modified, Ray Hendrick at Langhorne. Always resented those southern full bodied Modifieds. Modifieds are Coupes and Coaches or compact cars with no fenders. Like Tom Hnaks said in League of Their Own, "there's no crying in basesball! " Only it goes like this, "There's no fenders in Modified racing!".
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Post by: justmark on January 15, 2012, 12:41:48 AM: Here are the remaining finishers for the 1971 Langhorne National Open (Race of Champions) event. I sent them to the Vintage Racer site months ago, but I guess that they didn't update them. I sent them some other updates for the Langhorne results that I've helped compile on that site too, but I haven't seen any changes.
It's probably going to be three drivers in the '71 starting field who are still active or will be racing this season. Tommy Corellis was racing and winning in South Carolina last season.

36. Jim Malone (NY)
37. Tommy Corellis (NY)
38. Gene Bergin (CT)
39. Bob Hudson (NY)
40. Jerry Dostie (CT)
41. Don Diffendorf (NY)
42. Neil Truesdell (NY)
43. Roger Burdick (NY)
44. Bob Malzahn (NJ)
45. Jean-Guy Chartrand (QUE)
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Post by: Rocket88 on January 15, 2012, 11:47:58 AM: Strange not to see Maynard Troyer on that list.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 15, 2012, 12:02:44 PM: I found this site on "Program Covers" while doing some research. Great site and I'm sure some of you guys could really add a lot to what they have...enjoy!

http://www.progcovers.com/motor/index.html (http://www.progcovers.com/motor/index.html)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 15, 2012, 12:14:20 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on January 15, 2012, 12:02:44 PM
I found this site on "Program Covers" while doing some research. Great site and I'm sure some of you guys could really add a lot to what they have...enjoy!

[url]http://www.progcovers.com/motor/index.html[/url] ([url]http://www.progcovers.com/motor/index.html[/url])

Nice find. Tons of NYS Fair program covers.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 15, 2012, 12:18:22 PM: Quote from: justmark on January 15, 2012, 12:41:48 AM
Here are the remaining finishers for the 1971 Langhorne National Open (Race of Champions) event. I sent them to the Vintage Racer site months ago, but I guess that they didn't update them. I sent them some other updates for the Langhorne results that I've helped compile on that site too, but I haven't seen any changes.
It's probably going to be three drivers in the '71 starting field who are still active or will be racing this season. Tommy Corellis was racing and winning in South Carolina last season.

36. Jim Malone (NY)
37. Tommy Corellis (NY)
38. Gene Bergin (CT)
39. Bob Hudson (NY)
40. Jerry Dostie (CT)
41. Don Diffendorf (NY)
42. Neil Truesdell (NY)
43. Roger Burdick (NY)
44. Bob Malzahn (NJ)
45. Jean-Guy Chartrand (QUE)
I ran in to that site a while back. I always wondered about the '71 results. I knew Roger Burdick qualified for it , but he wasn't in the results. There's home video of the race on youtube, and he's in it.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 19, 2012, 06:59:39 PM: I was curious ...in that old champ car photo is Booth driving a Meskowski chassis and thats the source of the animosity or was there something else going on?
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 20, 2012, 03:48:03 PM: I saw this posted on the H.A.M.B. and the jist I got was that Booth was driving for him...I think.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 21, 2012, 10:36:18 AM: A friend of mine calls these hero cards...Thought there were some neat ones floating around the internet
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 21, 2012, 10:36:59 AM: another one
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 21, 2012, 10:37:33 AM: Another one
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 21, 2012, 10:39:37 AM: Still another one
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 21, 2012, 10:40:32 AM: And my friends all time favorite...
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:38:51 PM: I'm in possession of a 1965 Oswego Speedway yearbook...I thought I would share. There's a lot of stuff, so here goes.
First picture is of the 1/3 mile dirt oval which ran for one season. The Caruso Bros., Harry, George and William, converted a horse track.....
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:43:22 PM: The second year (1951?) found them paving the 1/3 mile track thus becoming the first macadam 1/3 mile in central New York State. A banked 5/8 mile track was completed for the opening day, May, 30, 1961
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:43:59 PM: Nolan Swift
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:45:05 PM: Nolan Swift in the 10-pins
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:45:55 PM: Nolan Swift
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:47:04 PM: Nolan Swift in what looks to be a '34 Ford Coupe
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:48:11 PM: Irish Jack Murphy
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:48:52 PM: Irish Jack Murphy
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:49:34 PM: Irish Jack Murphy
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:50:54 PM: Irish Jack Murphy...check out the legs
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:52:19 PM: Ron Lux...1965 high point man
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 22, 2012, 01:53:24 PM: Another shot of Ron Lux...
lots more to come
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:38:46 PM: More photos from Oswego's 1965 yearbook...
Jim Shampine in the eight-ball
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:39:55 PM: Todd Gibson in the "Flintstone Flyer"
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:40:50 PM: Wayne Landon
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:42:01 PM: Jack Nichols
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:44:48 PM: Dick Jerrett
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:45:41 PM: Tom York
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:46:28 PM: Bobby Pierce
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:47:26 PM: Bentley Warren in the Flyin' 5
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:49:50 PM: Sam Carista
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:50:42 PM: Red Barnhart....more to come
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Post by: thewackyracer on January 23, 2012, 06:44:07 PM: Thank you, really appreciated.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 23, 2012, 10:41:54 PM: Nice Oswego pics!!!! Any more of the 45?
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:44:54 PM: Sorry...only one of Barnhart
Bruno Marcheson in the #71
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:45:52 PM: Don Diffendorf
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:46:26 PM: Art Bennett
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:47:06 PM: Ronnie Wallace
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:54:06 PM: Irish Jack Murphy
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:54:43 PM: Nolan Swift
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:57:18 PM: Leon Wieske
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:57:49 PM: Bobby Baker
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:58:51 PM: Norm Mackereth
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:59:37 PM: Jim Gresley...more to come
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Post by: bakes on January 25, 2012, 11:55:35 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on January 23, 2012, 03:45:41 PM
Tom York

This car was originally a Todd Gibson car; it was at the track for many years with many drivers (Bobby Stelter also drove it at one point). No idea what happened to it.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on January 25, 2012, 12:38:18 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on January 24, 2012, 03:44:54 PM
Sorry...only one of Barnhart

That's ok. I've only seen a couple pics of that car. I'm interested in the early history of the car.
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Post by: racewear on January 25, 2012, 02:37:06 PM: Man this is just awesome. Used to leave Owego and go to Oswego during this time loved the Supers. Now I just need to see a picture Jack & Benny's dinner to make a complete trip. Used to stop there for a burger on the way home. Thanks for posting these, What memories!!!!
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 03:58:02 PM: Mark Letcher
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 03:59:06 PM: Billy Yuma
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 03:59:54 PM: Ralph Denson
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:00:39 PM: Wayne Root
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:01:41 PM: Gordon Bissett
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:02:37 PM: Seymour Smith
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:03:18 PM: Mel Dodge
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:06:39 PM: Before I forget this...Does anyone out there have any shots of Bucky Dew in the Ernie June 59x???
Action shots...Ralph Denson Rams Tom York into the wall
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:08:17 PM: Irish Jack Murphy and Jack Nichols' #41 tangled up
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:10:25 PM: Jack O'Malley's #00 in need of a repair job (Bobby Baker's #47 is in the background)
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:11:41 PM: One more for today... Beginning stages of Nolan Swift's spectacular accident.
More to come.....
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on January 25, 2012, 06:22:57 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on January 25, 2012, 04:06:39 PM
Before I forget this...Does anyone out there have any shots of Bucky Dew in the Ernie June 59x???

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Post by: argonrcn on January 25, 2012, 07:31:19 PM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on January 23, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Nice Oswego pics!!!! Any more of the 45?

Is this the same #45 (shot at Shangri-La 1964 by Don Mosher)?
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Also Red Barnhart 1968 at Shangri-LA (by ME)

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on January 25, 2012, 08:05:16 PM: Not sure it's the same car I'm looking for. This is the car I'm looking for the early history on. I can't tell if they are the same. I know Red drove this car in '64 and '65, but I don't know what happened to it between then and '72.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 03:58:40 PM: First off...thanks BigFeet..
I forwarded this shot to Bob June. He got a big kick out of it. he was thinking that this was at Chemung...most likely 1954.
I had the pleasure of dining with Bucky Dew and his wife at the last Cuba Lake reunion... they are just the nicest folks.
My step-father, Art "Sonny" Lynch, raced against Bucky back in the day. One of his most memorable moments racing was when he was wheeling Jack Bristol's car at Chemung and ended up getting hooked from behind by Bucky. Try as he might, he just was not able to shake Dew off, so they ended up going over the stripe 2nd and 3rd. After the race Bucky came looking for Art. Dew had a reputation of being someone you did not mess with, so Art went and hid. He figured that way he would live to fight another day :)
Now...another shot from the '65 Oswego yearbook.
Wayne Root takes a "ridem cowboy" ride.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:02:11 PM: Part of a 12 car pile-up staged in a 35-lap feature earlier in the season.
(Ralph Denson's #67 and Norm Mackereth's #40...sharp looking roadster to the left)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:03:47 PM: Norm Mackereth's car #40 less a rear end. (not the same car pictured in the other shots from '65)
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:04:50 PM: Pile-up on the third turn in a 35-lap feature.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:05:56 PM: Jack Nichols' car # 41 after being hit broadsided.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:07:05 PM: Don MacClaren does handstands the hard way in car # 1/3
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:09:36 PM: Jim Leonard's car #98 after tangling with a few more autos. (Leonard hailed from Elmira N.Y. and was a top runner @ Towanda VFW Speedway)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:10:47 PM: Ken Fisher's car #4 in a mangled state
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 04:13:59 PM: One more...a shot of the USAC sprints at Oswego...see if you can name them...
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: rsk1139 on January 26, 2012, 11:39:38 PM: Roger McCluskey is driving the #51. AJ in the #1?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on January 26, 2012, 11:58:28 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on January 26, 2012, 03:58:40 PM
First off...thanks BigFeet..
I forwarded this shot to Bob June. He got a big kick out of it. he was thinking that this was at Chemung...most likely 1954.
I had the pleasure of dining with Bucky Dew and his wife at the last Cuba Lake reunion... they are just the nicest folks.
My step-father, Art "Sonny" Lynch, raced against Bucky back in the day. One of his most memorable moments racing was when he was wheeling Jack Bristol's car at Chemung and ended up getting hooked from behind by Bucky. Try as he might, he just was not able to shake Dew off, so they ended up going over the stripe 2nd and 3rd. After the race Bucky came looking for Art. Dew had a reputation of being someone you did not mess with, so Art went and hid. He figured that way he would live to fight another day :)

Not a problem. It's from the 1975 Gater News Yearbook. Here's the story that accompanied it. I remember some the their '70s supers. I loved Oswego, but with my Dad in the pits, and my Mom's dislike of sitting up in the stands with us little monsters, I didn't get to go that often.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on January 27, 2012, 11:11:47 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on January 25, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
Not sure it's the same car I'm looking for. This is the car I'm looking for the early history on. I can't tell if they are the same. I know Red drove this car in '64 and '65, but I don't know what happened to it between then and '72.

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Was this the same car as the Dave Paul Classic-winning car that was sold to John Manny and renumbered 1010 that Diff drove?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on January 27, 2012, 03:29:01 PM: Quote from: bakes on January 27, 2012, 11:11:47 AM

Was this the same car as the Dave Paul Classic-winning car that was sold to John Manny and renumbered 1010 that Diff drove?

It does look like it. Mike Rizzo bought the car from Bobby Stelter in '72, and completely redesigned it. Other than that, all I know is Red drove it in '64 and '65.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 27, 2012, 04:12:11 PM: Somewhere on the "Southern Tier " thread I posted pictures of the rear engine super w/ Cecil Keister at the wheel (this lasted about one race) and with Jack Laird driving it at one point...I'll have to get Bob June to refresh my memory about how that all went down.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on January 27, 2012, 09:12:36 PM: When I was 12 years old I used to deliver Pepsi with my Dad to Jack Laird's propane store in Horseheads. It was our last stop of the week so we'd sometimes do a little bench racing with Jack. I don't think I ever got to see him race but I got the impression that his stories may have been better than anything that actually happened. Here's a pic I shot at the 71 Langhorne national open. Mike Grbac #71 battles with Lee Osborn in Hoags Camaro. pic by me
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 28, 2012, 09:27:34 AM: Found another great shot on the HAMB.....
Ron Lux (Buffalo), taking the high line, battles with Earl Halquist (Sydney, N.Y.) @ Fleminton in URC competition (1964)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: batz motorsports 27 on January 28, 2012, 05:29:47 PM: the 66 super was owned by gene heath from hear in 5milepoint.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on January 29, 2012, 08:20:26 PM: Duane, I assume Mr Heath was related to Irv Heath of Five Mile Point speedway fame. Was he a brother or Son or something?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Shamrock 3x on January 30, 2012, 09:39:06 AM: Dale,
In that shot of Dutch's Camaro at Langhorne, that's NOT Ozzie driving. Oz drove Dutch's Valiant in 1970, but Dutch drove the Camaro himself in 1971.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Bigdog13 on January 30, 2012, 11:34:02 AM: Gene Heath is the nephew of Irving Heath and the son of Owen Heath who once had Kirkwood Speedway near the village of Kirkwood off of Route 11 where they raced Sprint Cars at one time.
Gene was involved with many cars over the years, the S/360 of Don Diffendorf, the 66 of Red Barnhart, the 22/2 of Hemi-fame at Shangri-la which Graeme Bolia and Jerry Hayes drove, and many other cars as well.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Beenthere on February 01, 2012, 02:26:48 PM: Blackjackracing, I really enjoyed the photo of Jim Leonard's car. I remember it quite well from the VFW days. There was something different about the exhaust sound on that car, though I don't recall exactly what it was(I was only 12 or so at the time). The pipes may have been very short at 6" or less, or maybe they were short and faced forward. I don't recall exactly, but I do recall it making a different machine-gun-type sound when Jim let off it for the corners.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on February 05, 2012, 07:52:25 AM: Here's our "Family Car" #2X at Syracuse time trialing for the very first Super Dirt race in 1972. It was then known as the Schaefer 100. This is the former Jim Carrol owned #331 driven by Greame Bolia. Darrell Welty is behind the wheel and our little 396 chevy wasn't quite fast enough to make the show. Pic by me.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on February 05, 2012, 08:01:19 AM: Three years after that previous shot we're back at Syracuse in 75 with a more potent weapon. #2X Kneisel high-rail with a 454 powerplant. Darrell qualified this car into the show. This car later sat behind our house in Montour Falls after we retired it and I bought it from my Brother after I destoyed my car in a flip at Canadaguia. I raced it for a couple years and sold it to Gary?? Allen. I believe this car's frame is now being used as the base for a restoration-recreation of Dave Kneisel's high-rail Pacer bodied modified. Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 05, 2012, 08:06:00 AM: Here's the high-rail cars chassis during the rebuild over the winter of 75-76 with the old show car frame I drove in the background. Pic by me.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on February 09, 2012, 07:39:06 PM: This past summer my wife and I took a drive down to Lincoln for the ROC race. To my surprise it was old-timers night and I had the pleasure to talk to guys like Smokey Snellbaker and Lynn Paxton. I corralled some of the photos which I will now share with you.....
The first one is Bobby Allen who didn't make it over as he was helping his grand-son (I think I got that right) square his sprinter....
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 09, 2012, 07:42:01 PM: The next shot is of Lynn Paxton. A LIVING LEGEND! He was instrumental in getting the EMMR going in Pennsylvannia...Google him and see what you come up with....Super nice guy!
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 09, 2012, 07:42:40 PM: still another hot-shoe.....Van May
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 09, 2012, 07:45:25 PM: This guy was my favorite to talk to...I swear he would have talked to us all night, but I felt like I was monopolizing his time. I had one of the funniest, bestist 30 minutes yakking with him...
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 09, 2012, 07:54:42 PM: As I said, I talked at great lengths with Dizzy Dean. He pulled out another envelope with more pictures and told me they were "special". I cajoed him out of one. I didn't realize until later that all the other pictures were supplied by the track, but he had gone to Walgreens and made copies of this shot on his own....
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Post by: argonrcn on February 11, 2012, 05:30:31 AM: A BIT OF INSOMNIA ON A COLD WINTER NIGHT(MORNING >:(). SO, I WILL UPLOAD A FEW MORE PAGES FROM OLD (1968-1969) SHANGRI-LA RACING NEWS ;)
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on February 11, 2012, 04:41:38 PM: THESE ARE SOME OLD PHOTOS FROM GEORGE BARR'S ARCHIVES. MOST ARE FLOOD DAMAGED. SO TAKE WHAT YOU GET. ANY ADDED INFO WOULD BE NICE.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on February 11, 2012, 05:48:01 PM: Possibly Randy Scott
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on February 11, 2012, 05:50:22 PM: Tommy Druar in the 37. The 24 could be Ed Spencer or Duane Ellis.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on February 11, 2012, 05:52:16 PM: The spinning 01 is Bob Whalen and yes, that's a '66 Ford Galaxie!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: 112SMW on February 12, 2012, 08:16:50 AM: Quote from: Rocket88 on February 11, 2012, 05:48:01 PM
Possibly Randy Scott
The #24 is most likely Brett Bodine or Bryon Osgood.The car was owned by Wayne Miller.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: DPmotorsports on February 14, 2012, 12:51:04 PM: The #15 is Al Frutchey
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Post by: bywr on February 14, 2012, 08:19:28 PM: I'm not sure if these videos have been posted before but i found a youtube channel with a lot of vintage racing videos from the area
http://www.youtube.com/user/allendale101/videos?sort=dd&view=u&page=1 (http://www.youtube.com/user/allendale101/videos?sort=dd&view=u&page=1)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: railbird steve on February 16, 2012, 11:31:56 PM: thanks for the link! ----hows about some old dundee -woodhull vids,photos?
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 26, 2012, 11:49:00 AM: I found this on line (@ 3widesvault) and I thought I would share this. I'm moving on and thinking about putting a vintage modified together. Ironically, my first race car was a vintage mod that had run at Moc-A Tek in PA. I had purchased it from a gentleman in Cooperstown and brought it back to Elmira to rebuild. Keep in mind that I knew absolutely NOTHING about what it would take...I ended up selling the car to a guy from Chicago (Phil Claussen) who intended to build it up into a street rod. That was the last I saw of it until I saw this....
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on February 26, 2012, 12:18:01 PM: I was going through the photos that Argon had posted...The picture w/ the #3d on the ouside in a late model race has Chuck Brady in the 77x and Jim Zacharias in the #71
the photo of the #7 going on a hook..Is that a Frisbee car?
and the older photo from the fifties, I'm thinking that might be Wellsville
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on February 26, 2012, 07:50:46 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on February 26, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
I was going through the photos that Argon had posted...The picture w/ the #3d on the ouside in a late model race has Chuck Brady in the 77x and Jim Zacharias in the #71
the photo of the #7 going on a hook..Is that a Frisbee car?
and the older photo from the fifties, I'm thinking that might be Wellsville
wasn't really sure on old photo, it easily could be Wellsville. thanks for other cars also.Have ahold of an old album of Cecil and Tom Kings. many Shangri-la, Five Mile and other stuff to scan and post.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: greyhairedracer on February 26, 2012, 08:23:40 PM: Wasn't the D3 driven by Don Mosher?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on February 26, 2012, 08:28:18 PM: Quote from: greyhairedracer on February 26, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Wasn't the D3 driven by Don Mosher?
I THINK MOSHER IS RIGHT.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on February 26, 2012, 10:16:07 PM: been scanning since 8:30, this a start on cecil and tom kings old pics. some old langhorne 1970, syracuse 1968, and some shangri-la and lancaster and possobly fonda (late 1960's)
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: lynchmobb on February 28, 2012, 12:24:57 PM: nice photos! The batch from Lancaster may be from early-season practice? Turners #18 corvair looks brand new, Dick Emerson, Jim Rudolph, Bobby Merz. Jackie Evans in the Osborne #81 at Langhorne.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on February 28, 2012, 02:31:40 PM: Quote from: lynchmobb on February 28, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
nice photos! The batch from Lancaster may be from early-season practice? Turners #18 corvair looks brand new, Dick Emerson, Jim Rudolph, Bobby Merz. Jackie Evans in the Osborne #81 at Langhorne.
ALL BUT 33 SHOT AT LANCASTER WERE FROM AN EASTER HOLIDAY WEEK SHOW. (NOTICE COATS). MERZ SHOT WAS DIFFERENT (SEE SHORT SLEEVES AND GREEN TREES)
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Post by: midstate 7 on February 28, 2012, 06:22:06 PM: I own the33 merz car am in the process of restoring it .I need a 37 chevy coupe body Email me at midstate@rochester.rr.com Thanks Tedd I will post some pictures soon. when i got it a tree had to be cut to get it out
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on February 28, 2012, 07:26:39 PM: Long afternoon, but have scanned a few more of Cecil Kings photos. These are old dirt pics, well before I started going to the races. Many of the names are familiar, but never saw them with cars before. All shots by a "J. Ralph Jones"
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: thedoebes on February 28, 2012, 10:09:13 PM: Cool pictures.I remember the cars and drivers.I didn't know Cecil had those pictures.I remember watcing them at 5 Mile Point and Glen Aubrey.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: ughlee10 on February 28, 2012, 10:20:12 PM: that is a great picture of dick emerson and my uncle robert hahn.i was so young that i barely remember that car.thank you for the memories.
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Post by: argonrcn on February 29, 2012, 04:36:27 PM: here are a few of cecil king's five mile shots from five mile point 1968

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: 24KC on February 29, 2012, 10:03:26 PM: Thanks for a picture of the 24KC Beer Keg and all that I have never seen.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Bigdog13 on March 02, 2012, 07:51:58 AM: Those were the great old days at 5MP, Ray Bunzey in the #30 coupe, that was a fast car, Norm Norton in the #9 Bug, also extremely fast, Jerry Townley, "The Catskill Comet" on one of his invasions during a special race, Al Cole in the 24 with the Beer Keg "Fuel Cell", If you look in the background of the Brent Cobb #145 photo you can see Jerry Lilly's #47 Coupe and Hauler in Windsor colors of Black & Gold. Great shots, please send more !!!

Bigdog
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Bigdog13 on March 02, 2012, 07:58:55 AM: Actually, Jerry Lilly's #47 is in the background of the #30 of Ray Bunzey. Haven't had my coffee yet this morning !!!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Jay Mooney on March 02, 2012, 03:14:21 PM: Great 5MP pics, argonrcn. I'm thinking these photos were taken on 7/3/68, the Southern Tier Open which was won by the #32 of Jerry Townley.

A couple more ID's:

In the background of the #30, which may have been driven by Larry Groover in '68, is the #87 of Jim Bonham

I believe the #26 is Glenn Knapp Sr. Alongside looks to be the "Leanin' 11" of Johnny McArdell

If you peek through the window of Norm Norton's car in the #32 of Jerry Townley pic you'll see the #280 of Dave Kneisel parked alongside.

Anyone know who drove the yellow #s9 parked next to Norm Norton's #9?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MOD27NY on March 02, 2012, 07:29:44 PM: Behind the 280 of Kneisel is the 50 of Burr Darrow. I don't think it's the leaning 11 of McArdell. I think the s9 is Merle Green
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on March 04, 2012, 09:04:10 PM: The Chet Bennet Sr #57 with a win at Chemung I believe. Photo by L.O. Duncan. What kind & year of car is this. Looks to be around 5000 lbs. Must have had a strong engine!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on March 04, 2012, 11:26:56 PM: That's a 1952 Chevy - the last year of split windshields. 1953 was almost identical, but had a 1 piece windshield.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: 112SMW on March 05, 2012, 08:45:16 AM: Chet was grooving tires way back then.Loved that Modern class at Chemung.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on March 11, 2012, 03:03:04 PM: HERE IS SOMTHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM TOM KING, ATLANTA 1972
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on March 13, 2012, 06:28:50 PM: Another site has a picture from the 1973 Syracuse race. It has Jack Johnson being in the #21 black coupe. Is this true? Who owned the car?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on March 13, 2012, 10:48:01 PM: I remember Jack driving a #21 coupe about that time. But I remember the color to be similar to his 12a. I know I have a pic in one of my programs. Not sure who owned it. Do you have a link to the pic?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on March 14, 2012, 01:42:50 AM: This car? Maybe it was black. As said on the other forum, I do think it was owned by Jim Riggi.

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Weedsport 1973
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on March 14, 2012, 06:37:22 PM: Yes I do have a link to the sight. It is www.3widespicturevault.com.Click (http://www.3widespicturevault.com.Click) on 3 wide's message vault. Click down to Jack Johnson Question ? by mred99 on 3/12/2012.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on March 14, 2012, 09:30:28 PM: Yeah that's the car. It does look like it could be a Harry Peek car, but it was owned by Jim Riggi. This is a paragraph from Jack Johnson's driver profile in the 1973 NYS Fair Labor Day program.

"This year, Jack's luck was just the opposite, as he got off to a terrible start. In his first three trips to the Port, Jack only qualified once. Things began to pick up when he drove Jimmy Riggi's #21 four weeks ago here and finished third."
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on March 21, 2012, 06:31:06 PM: Hey, Bigfeet13 do yoy have anymore photos of Jack Johnson in the number 21 coupe ? Did he ever win any races in this car ?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on March 22, 2012, 12:56:57 AM: Quote from: JGALLANT on March 21, 2012, 06:31:06 PM
Hey, Bigfeet13 do yoy have anymore photos of Jack Johnson in the number 21 coupe ? Did he ever win any races in this car ?
That's the only picture I have. I remember seeing the car a couple times, but I was really young. He only ran the car a couple times at Weedsport. I don't remember him winning in it, but I was rather young. I don't know how I even remembered that, other than it was rare not to see Jack in the 12a back then. The only other car I remember him driving in the 70s was the Leto Bros. 50.
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Post by: bcross on March 22, 2012, 01:17:56 PM: In the 60's Jack also drove the black and yellow 37 car that I believe was owned by Vallano's (sp?). Rick Perry now owns one of those cars that he shows at the Midstate Antique Club.
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Post by: bcross on March 22, 2012, 01:31:18 PM: I believe the photo of the Cagle 24 was taken at Lebanon Valley (if not, maybe Victoria Speedway). I also see Frank Trinkas' speed truck.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on March 22, 2012, 04:57:50 PM: Quote from: bcross on March 22, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
In the 60's Jack also drove the black and yellow 37 car that I believe was owned by Vallano's (sp?). Rick Perry now owns one of those cars that he shows at the Midstate Antique Club.
Tony Villano I believe owned the 37. I think there was a coupe and a falcon. That was just before my time.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on March 23, 2012, 04:20:29 AM: Bob Johnson -

On page 96, you mentioned that you once owned the Phil Claussen "X" car, and you were thinking about building another vintage car. I don't know how interested in this you'd be, but the car is in Syracuse and for sale...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=337365302974711&set=a.255555717822337.68980.255376351173607&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=337365302974711&set=a.255555717822337.68980.255376351173607&type=3&theater)
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2012, 02:06:03 PM: Thanks Bob...Funny you should ask. I just got home with a 1993 Tobias "Tri-Track" 4-bar car that I am going to turn into a Tobias inspired mid-seventies Mustang II ....I'm JACKED!
Phil's car is sweet by the way.....
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2012, 09:27:49 PM: As previously mentioned, I have an older Tobias that was campained by Jim Mahaney of King's Ferry. He was gracious enough to lend me a few photos of the car in the mid-nineties.
The first picture is of the car just before a show....
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 24, 2012, 09:29:46 PM: This next picture is Jim winning a big one......
By the By...if anyone knows where there is a used up '74ish Mustang II Coupe, let me know...Thanks
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 06, 2012, 07:52:55 PM: I believe Jim brought that car back out to run one race at Redline in or around 2004 or 2005 when they had a big-block small block alcohol allowed race. He had some big old drag style tires on and the car was a rocket! I think I got in his way and caused him to crash or he probably would have won the race with a car that was sitting in moth balls for about ten years! At that time it was plain white with no graphics. here's an oldie but goodie. I shot it at the 1970 langhorne Nationl Open.
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 09, 2012, 09:13:42 AM: Hey Dale...Same chassis. Larry Kennison shared with me the story you related. I had asked Jim Mahaney about it and he thought it was Cuck Kennison who had spun...the truth comes out (LOL). Jim had said that was one of his favorite races EVER. He came back to a fifth place finish (or there abouts). The chassis has a lot of history...I'm really excited about bringing it back to life. On a side note I just saw that his son Mike won at Fonda....
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Post by: PattyLinRafferty on April 10, 2012, 01:49:26 PM: I know one of those cars was a quick rebuild. Dad drove for Ralph Held and there was a garage fire. They worked fast and furious to build a car for the next weekend. I believe it was the 17 car. I also believe it had a Chevy engine and a Ford chasis. I will ask Dad (Ed Rafferty) if these recollections are correct. He lives half the year in Florida. Thank everyone for remembering him. I have plenty of pictures I would love to post on here once I get a new scanner. Glad to be part of this.
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Post by: blackjackracing on April 10, 2012, 04:37:15 PM: Welcome Patty...We all look forward to your pics!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 10, 2012, 07:02:49 PM: Welcome!! I watched your Dad when he came up and ran Weedsport in the 70's. I still have his autograph somewhere. I too can't wait to see the pics.
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Post by: Frasson118 on April 10, 2012, 10:01:29 PM: Patty... check your mailbox please.
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Post by: no74falcon on April 15, 2012, 11:50:39 AM: Quote from: PattyLinRafferty on April 10, 2012, 01:49:26 PM
I know one of those cars was a quick rebuild. Dad drove for Ralph Held and there was a garage fire. They worked fast and furious to build a car for the next weekend. I believe it was the 17 car. I also believe it had a Chevy engine and a Ford chasis. I will ask Dad (Ed Rafferty) if these recollections are correct. He lives half the year in Florida. Thank everyone for remembering him. I have plenty of pictures I would love to post on here once I get a new scanner. Glad to be part of this.
Unfortunately Patty, they don't let us give "attagirls" here on RACENY... Until they do... :-) But welcome and we are glad to have you here!
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Post by: bbbr on April 19, 2012, 05:56:29 PM: Quote from: lynchmobb on February 28, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
nice photos! The batch from Lancaster may be from early-season practice? Turners #18 corvair looks brand new, Dick Emerson, Jim Rudolph, Bobby Merz. Jackie Evans in the Osborne #81 at Langhorne.

The car you refer to as the Osborne 81 was actually owned by Jerry Kennedy, and was housed in a shop Jerry built behind his house on Canal Road in Spencerport. I believe Lee built this car at Turner's shop and then brought it over and later copied it a couple of times over for other versions of the 81. Jerry later helped Lee get his start in sprint cars in PA and later briefly with USAC before getting out of the racing game all together.

Several people drove the 81 modified on occasion, including Jackie Evans, Andy Davidson, and one or 2 others.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on April 20, 2012, 10:24:30 AM: bbbr,
Good info on Oz & Jerry Kennedy. If I remember correctly, Kennedy was a lawyer in Brockport? By the looks of the house & that shop, he had a little bit of money. Anyway, I remember visiting the shop as a teen and it was very well equipped for the day. It was actually across the (Erie - then known as Barge) canal from Canal Rd. and the address would have been on Gallup Rd. I still remember Lee had "Watersedge, NY", which of course, was not a real town, lettered over the rear window of one of those coaches. More trivia...the same guy that taught Oz how to weld, Norb Gravelle of Spencerport (RIP, Norb), taught me too. I took a class he taught at BOCES and he told me Lee had kind of a propensity for getting into trouble as a teen, so one day his father dropped him off at Gravelle's shop and told him to 'keep him busy'. Norb put him to right work. Lee turned out to be a quick study and soon became an excellent welder.
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Post by: Rocket88 on April 20, 2012, 07:04:05 PM: There is a law firm in Spencerport called "Kennedy & Schum". Same Kennedy? Mr. Schum also owned modifieds, with his son and Todd Burley driving them.
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Post by: kt on April 20, 2012, 09:11:53 PM: yes, same Jerry Kennedy
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 21, 2012, 11:32:36 AM: Is Lee Osborne still building street rods? Is he in good health? Someone should get his memories down on paper before they are lost. I once heard a story of how Dutch Hoag helped train Lee on the proper points to backing off and getting in the gas. Supposedly they tied a rope between Dutches rear bumper and Lee's from bumper and Dutch told him, "don't let the rope go slack or too taunt" and they went out and turned laps that way! It would be great to know if that was true!
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Post by: leadfoot4 on April 23, 2012, 06:02:26 PM: Quote from: Rocket88 on April 20, 2012, 07:04:05 PM
There is a law firm in Spencerport called "Kennedy & Schum". Same Kennedy? Mr. Schum also owned modifieds, with his son and Todd Burley driving them.

They were my legal representatives for a few years, back in the 70s, and modified driver Tim Mangus was also associated with their racing efforts...
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2012, 09:15:43 PM: Here's one from the front of a D.I.R.T. program. The pink Panther, Chuck Akulas and Dick Sungren. I'm guessing around 1976 at Five Mile Point?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2012, 09:26:50 PM: Here's the picture from the Star Gazette Article about my Mom being a race car driver. Appeared about 1969 in the Elmira Star Gazette. Notice the Hi-perf aircleaner shield....mountain grown!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 23, 2012, 09:30:17 PM: Here's the Chemung Speedrome hi points Champions. Don't see my Dad's name but Mom took the 1970 Championship.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 23, 2012, 09:40:37 PM: I found this online a few weeks ago.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2012, 10:25:15 PM: Dick Casterline takes a heat win at Chemung in the Modern Stock Division. Does anyone remmeber this car? I think it was orange-red but I'm not sure. Photo by L.O. Duncan. This is on the pavement.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2012, 10:28:41 PM: Chet Benett Jr wins a heat at Chemung on the pavement in a Modern Stock. L.O. Duncan Photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2012, 10:31:43 PM: I have this tagged as Larry Sargent, if this is incorrect please set me straight. This is a latemodel win on the pavement at Chemung Speedrome. L.O. Duncan Photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2012, 10:34:21 PM: Grant Frisbie with a win in the Modern Stocks at Chemung. Duncan photo.
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Post by: 112SMW on April 25, 2012, 09:03:06 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on April 24, 2012, 10:31:43 PM
I have this tagged as Larry Sargent, if this is incorrect please set me straight. This is a latemodel win on the pavement at Chemung Speedrome. L.O. Duncan Photo.
That is Larry Sargent for sure.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 25, 2012, 09:20:49 PM: Cliff Pierce at Chemung Speedrome. His family continues to race to this day. L.O. Duncan photo.
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Post by: tcjet8 on April 26, 2012, 06:54:14 PM: Hey Guy's Just in case you have not heard yet Don Diffendorf passed away. It is in the Binghamton Press Obituaries. Diff was an Awesome Modified driver. God Bless You Diff and Family.

Windsor: Donald J. Diffendorf, Sr., 83, passed away on April 21, 2012. He was predeceased by his parents, Marchie and Beatrice Diffendorf; and sisters, Betty Jean and Shirley Louise Diffendorf. He is survived by his loving wife, Shirley; his children, Sharon Murray, Susan and James Brigham, Beatrice and Timothy Goff, Margaret and David Pitel, Donald Diffendorf Jr. and Michelene, and Steven Diffendorf; 9 grandchildren, 2 great-grandchildren; stepchildren, Susan and Michael Agati, James and Kerry Bopp; 3 step-grandchildren; brother and sister-in-law, William (Sr.) and Dorothy Diffendorf; sisters, Doris Hedges, Beverly Rounds, Betty Lou Kelly, and Virginia Pompeii; and several nieces and nephews; his pets, Mackenzie and Andre. He was the owner of Diffendorf Trucking. Don was a well-known modified race car driver (Grey Fox) competing in races all up and down the East Coast with his famous S/360, having won many races and earned countless achievements on dirt and asphalt tracks. He enjoyed his trips to Tioga Downs and Mohegan Sun. In lieu of flowers, those wishing may make a memorial contribution to the American Cancer Society in his name. A private memorial service will be held at the Towers of Memories, Vestal Hills Cemetery, at the convenience of the family.
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Post by: JGALLANT on April 28, 2012, 09:45:03 PM: Looking for some pics of Vince Quennville,Sr., Davey Moore, Ivan Little, Mike Granton, Don McGinnis, Rick Hoctor, Brian Stevens, Yvonne Perrone, Harry Sittler, Danny Rizzardo and Real LeDoux. I would like to see some of the top Canadian modified drivers of the past. I only got to see them race when I went to The Schaefer 200 race in Syracuse.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 29, 2012, 09:58:49 AM: Real LaDoux is one of the reasons my car became the number One-two-three. But I don't have a pic of him. He showed up for the season opener at Canandaguia one year in a plain jane #123 Modified Tobias chassis car and absolutely smoked the best of the best that day. Will cagle, Merv Treichler etc couldn't even begin to keep up! We had never even heard of him at the time. Very impressive! Here's a pic of Davey Moore I shot in the pits before the races at my beloved Waterloo fairgrounds track.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 29, 2012, 10:01:09 AM: Want Canadian pics, Eh? Here's one of Brian Stevens I shot the same day at Waterloo. Both pics are from 1977 I believe.
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Post by: 112SMW on April 29, 2012, 10:12:00 AM: Most likely the best race I ever saw at Weedsport was Shaefer qualifer where the ''Canadian Blast'' Davey Moore put a hurtin' on Will Cagle.Davey got by him and it was a heck of race from there on as Cagle tried everything he had to get back by him but it was the Blast that hung on and got the win in the 100 lapper.
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Post by: Frasson118 on April 29, 2012, 11:12:35 AM: Dale... do you remember those Waterloo shows were 'Open Competition' races? I thought about that when spotting Gary Iulg's 56 in the background. Gary was running fuel injection, and won the first 3 shows there. Dave Kneisel had a wing mounted on top of the coach...
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Post by: JGALLANT on April 29, 2012, 11:51:01 AM: In the Davey Moore pic, the Wally Burnett #94 looks like the old Gerald Chamberlain #76.
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Post by: JGALLANT on April 29, 2012, 11:55:05 AM: In the Brian Stevens pic, who is in the #1 black and yellow coupe in the background ?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 29, 2012, 11:56:04 AM: Quote from: JGALLANT on April 29, 2012, 11:51:01 AM
In the Davey Moore pic, the Wally Burnett #94 looks like the old Gerald Chamberlain #76.
I believe the 94 is the old Chamberlain car.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 29, 2012, 11:57:36 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on April 29, 2012, 09:58:49 AM
Real LaDoux is one of the reasons my car became the number One-two-three. But I don't have a pic of him. He showed up for the season opener at Canandaguia one year in a plain jane #123 Modified Tobias chassis car and absolutely smoked the best of the best that day. Will cagle, Merv Treichler etc couldn't even begin to keep up! We had never even heard of him at the time. Very impressive! Here's a pic of Davey Moore I shot in the pits before the races at my beloved Waterloo fairgrounds track.

I think it was 1975 when Real showed up at Weedsport for the first couple shows. He was really strong. I was an instant fan, but he didn't show up many times after that.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 29, 2012, 12:00:45 PM: Quote from: 112SMW on April 29, 2012, 10:12:00 AM
Most likely the best race I ever saw at Weedsport was Shaefer qualifer where the ''Canadian Blast'' Davey Moore put a hurtin' on Will Cagle.Davey got by him and it was a heck of race from there on as Cagle tried everything he had to get back by him but it was the Blast that hung on and got the win in the 100 lapper.

I liked Davey, but I was a Cagle fan. Needless to say I wasn't happy. Regardless, it was a great race.
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Post by: 112SMW on April 29, 2012, 12:09:47 PM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on April 29, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
Quote from: 112SMW on April 29, 2012, 10:12:00 AM
Most likely the best race I ever saw at Weedsport was Shaefer qualifer where the ''Canadian Blast'' Davey Moore put a hurtin' on Will Cagle.Davey got by him and it was a heck of race from there on as Cagle tried everything he had to get back by him but it was the Blast that hung on and got the win in the 100 lapper.

I liked Davey, but I was a Cagle fan. Needless to say I wasn't happy. Regardless, it was a great race.
I remember a night at Weedsport when Cagle won and the people were booing him and Will just smiled and said''I see the boo birds are here again tonight''.You can't nothing away from Cagle...he was a great racer here in central New York.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 29, 2012, 08:37:31 PM: The #1 was Roy Schenk. I've shown this pic a number of times as posters were really interested in the body as it was obviously the coupe body that was previously on one of Dutch Hoag's asphalt cars. This chassis is a Show-car Engineering tube frame. I do remember those open comp races at Waterloo and Kneisel's wing car. But the really great open races at Waterloo were back around 1968. I think they were 151 lap affairs and the one I was at was super cold and super wild. Many, many flips including one of the beagell boys end over end down the front stretch and screamin' Sammy Reakes over the wall and into the trees heading into turn three! When I started racing the third season I drove we ran Waterloo and I absolutely loved the place. I don't know if the place was so scary that a 17 year old kid wasn't smart enough to be afraid and the old guys were......but I could beat guys there that I couldn't hold a candle to at Weedsport or Rolling Wheels. Maybe it was because you carried momentum at Waterloo so if you were down on power it didn't matter as much. I finished third one time and against the same cast of characters at the other tracks I could barely qualify. Always liked the place and was heartbroke when they shut her down.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 29, 2012, 08:39:15 PM: Here's another Canadian at Waterloo. Mike Granton in one of the prettiest coupes ever. Pic by me.
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:17:20 PM: This is for you Dale Welty....I have to apologize ahead of time as I have no photo credits for these pictures. I can't even remember where I "borrowed" them from. I'm very envious of Dale in that I grew up 15 minutes away from Waterloo and for whatever reason, we never went there (which astonishes me now as we went to a lot of race tracks...) The only race I ever saw there was a street stock race they held in the early eighties during the fair. But enough of my whinning............
Oh yeah...I meant to post this here and inadvertently posted on the other thread.........
Wild Bill Dudley
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:18:32 PM: Screamin' Sammy Reakes
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:22:26 PM: This guy was from my hometown (Ovid/Interlaken) and got his start at South Seneca Speedway...Some of you old timers might of bought a Artic Cat from him. I haven't seen many pictures of him, so this was one of my prize finds! Red Beardslee w/ the #66
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:23:35 PM: Larry Nye w/ the 150
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:26:29 PM: another guy I haven't seen many pictures of ..... Glenn Reiners of Dundee. He got his start at South Seneca and went on to rule at Dundee but also won the track championship at Waterloo in 1957.
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:28:09 PM: Gail McArdell w/ the # 100
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:29:58 PM: Lady Killer Johnny McArdell with the checkers...
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:31:35 PM: Johnny Carista with the grandstands in the background...
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:34:45 PM: This cat should look familiar....AJ and the Doctor's dad...Milt Johnson with the #14
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:36:54 PM: Dick Emery with the #13...any photo I've ever seen of his stuff, the cars always looked immaculate!
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 01, 2012, 05:37:59 PM: And with that we have hit the mile stone.....PAGE 100!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks RaceNY!!!!
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Post by: herm on May 02, 2012, 07:24:37 AM: The first Waterloo 151 was in October 1969.The race drew 80 cars from all over.Bobby Merz started what turned out to be the first of several flips by flipping in hot laps.The worst flip by far was by Sammy Reakes who cleared the tops of several trees ending up out by the road over by what most consiter the third turn.Sam had a reputation of being so good at the place he was almost never in trouble,but not today.I cant remember how many flipped that day [real big number]but I have never seen or heard of any other racing event that ever came close to the number of cars going over as did that day.The compitition was something else that day,I still can to this day picture Frankie Schneider throwing his car sideways pitching it through the turns trying for the last spot in the consi,only to come up short.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 02, 2012, 08:54:56 AM: Anybody got any pics of Johnny McArdle in the "Leanin' 11" sedan? The pic of the #13 is Dick Emerson, BTW...not Emery. Not being critical, just wanted to clarify. Great pics...keep 'em coming!
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on May 02, 2012, 11:58:06 AM: Sedan as in Coach?

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Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 02, 2012, 01:20:17 PM: Yes....thanks, Bob! Back in 1964, that was my favorite Limited Sporstman (flathead) at Canandaigua.
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Post by: 112SMW on May 02, 2012, 03:49:06 PM: What is the roll cage made from....3/4 in conduit?
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Post by: oldtimeracer on May 02, 2012, 03:53:22 PM: Back in those days, yes they used conduit...and as long as corrections are being made...Glen Reiners was from Penn Yan, it was GALE McArdell and Sam Carista drove the #30 and is still racing @ Brewerton
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 02, 2012, 07:16:47 PM: Quote from: oldtimeracer on May 02, 2012, 03:53:22 PM
Sam Carista drove the #30 and is still racing @ Brewerton

A little birdie tells me he will debuting a new car Friday night.
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Post by: argonrcn on May 02, 2012, 08:07:33 PM: HARD TO BELIEVE THESE ARE OLDIES. SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY! A FRIEND OF MINE IS HEADED FOR FLORIDA NEXT WEEK. HE IS STOPPING BY TO SEE MIKE. LAST YEAR MIKE SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE MANY PICTURES FROM BACK THEN. I HUNTED UP A FEW AND MADE A CD. HERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM.
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Post by: Rocket88 on May 02, 2012, 09:03:07 PM: Nice pics! Thank you!
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Post by: argonrcn on May 02, 2012, 09:36:52 PM: here are a few images of Mike from Shangri-la Racing News.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: oneill71mod on May 02, 2012, 10:31:50 PM: My dad was friends with Mike.As a kid i would tag along with my father to mikes shop on the ridge.It was an upstairs/downstairs shop,Mike worked upstairs and Gary Cornelius kept Al Shutts car downstairs.They also shared this neat two car hauler.I think it was an old U Hall truck.Visited Mike a few times in Florida. 8)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on May 02, 2012, 10:39:40 PM: Another thing that stood out from that first 151 race at Waterloo for me was seeing the Rutledge Rocket! Full body Covair with the engine beside the driver inside the car! Does anyone have a pic of that car on DIRT?!! My Dad tried to qualify my cousin Jim's yellow #72 Coach but the springs were so stiff all it did was bounce and that made the carb sputter so he didn't make out well. Also that day created a catch phrase within our family. Any time we would be getting ready to go to a race during a beautiful summer day someone would yell, "remember Waterloo!!!". That meant to bring along blankets and heavy coats even if it's 80 degrees out. Because that was the scenario for that first 151. It was really nice out when we left for the races and then it was about 35 degrees that night.....we all froze our petuti's off!!!! Here's a pic of the coach my Dad drove that day.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on May 03, 2012, 12:01:41 AM: WHILE LOOKING FOR THE MIKE LOESCHER PICS, I FOUND SOME OLD SHOTS AT SHANGRI-LA FROM 1966 AND OTHER. MAINLY FRED SMITH PHOTOS.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2012, 05:28:01 PM: Thanks for the corrections...Here are some more Waterloo photos (or guys that raced at Waterloo anyways...)
Wee Willie Allen
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2012, 05:32:14 PM: Rolle Velte...another guy who got his start at South Seneca.. Also: If you surf the web there is an amazing article floating around out there about Rolle. I think it was on vintage racer.com
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2012, 05:34:01 PM: Johnny Podolak
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on May 03, 2012, 05:44:29 PM: One more for tonight...Still another guy who got his start at South Seneca... He was serving with the Navy and working on Seneca Lake at the "research" station (the name of it slips my mind right now)...went on to Waterloo, then NASCAR racing with Dutch Hoag at places like Hemlock...Then he went back to New England and tore it up...He's now in the New England Racing Hall of Fame....Ronnie Narduci.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on May 03, 2012, 06:13:31 PM: Quote from: oneill71mod on May 02, 2012, 10:31:50 PM
My dad was friends with Mike.As a kid i would tag along with my father to mikes shop on the ridge.It was an upstairs/downstairs shop,Mike worked upstairs and Gary Cornelius kept Al Shutts car downstairs.They also shared this neat two car hauler.I think it was an old U Hall truck.Visited Mike a few times in Florida. 8)
When I hung out there, Don Diffendorf was driving the 40. I used to stack the tires downstairs,and try to keep the tools away from "Dirt". I remember Turner's Super being there for roll cage work, and Terry Schleede's modified getting built there.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: herm on May 03, 2012, 08:08:55 PM: Back once again to the first Waterloo 151 Oct.18,1969.List of cars flipping that day in the order the flips occurred.Bob Merz,Bob Vernon,Skip Mead,Don Beagell,Sam Reakes,John Clapham and John McArdell.Bill Rafter won the race, one of the most memorable days I ever spent spectating at the races.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Half Fast Bob on May 03, 2012, 08:36:17 PM: Hey Herm...

Have you got any pictures of any of your cars?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: herm on May 04, 2012, 07:02:30 AM: Yes,I have a lot of pictures.I really havent tryed to learn how to post them and I dont even know if that is possible with the set up I have.Some where I also have a picture of the sedan clay champ 123 showed in one of the preceeding post upside down after hitting the fence at Waterloo.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on May 05, 2012, 07:27:54 AM: I'd love to see that pic of my cousin Jim's car after he flipped it. He came down to our house the next day and told us about his bad wreck at Waterloo but I don't remember seeing the car after the wreck. I think he cut it up and didn't have a race car for a few years after that. I think my brother is almost ready to cut up his Crate Sportsman if we can't get it to run right soon! Here's another shot of the yellow #72 coach with the hood off on the flat bed he hauled it with..
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: herm on May 06, 2012, 08:39:03 PM: Claychamp, I will see what I can find looking through the boxes out in the barn.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: beavis on May 14, 2012, 01:07:31 PM: here is a picture from about 1973 or 74 at twin valley
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rockin52 on May 14, 2012, 01:38:42 PM: Bud ( SCARY) Carey
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on May 21, 2012, 10:40:13 PM: Brewerton, 1950

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on May 22, 2012, 10:36:20 PM: My new friend Herm sent me this clipping from the 1970 Gator racing news. My cousin Jim King flipped his coach at Waterloo pretty much destroying it. He didn't rebuild he took a torch and cut it up. He didn't drive again for a number of years and decided it was better being a car owner than a driver and had John Podolak drive his 0x car on the CNY dirt circuit. Pic by L.M.Ridgeo. Thanks Herm!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: herm on May 23, 2012, 05:02:34 PM: I cant remember half of what happened last week,but I can still picture watching that one.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on May 25, 2012, 08:39:01 PM: FOR MEMORIAL WEEKEND, HERE ARE SOME MEMORIES FROM 1966 AT SHANGRI-LA. (ALL FRED SMITH PHOTOS.) THESE ARE SOME OF THE WEEKEND RACERS INSTEAD OF THE USUAL KNOWN DRIVERS.
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that's it for now, back to the outlaw show!!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: BigFeet13 on May 27, 2012, 12:03:10 AM: Brewerton, 1950. The first two Weedsport Speedway track champions, I believe.

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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on May 27, 2012, 12:03:43 AM: BACK FROM OSWEGO (DON'T ASK I WON'T TELL) TURNED ON NASCRAP TO FALL ASLEEP BY. HERE ARE SOME OLDIES OF MINE FROM SHANGRI-LA IN 1968. SAME THEME :SOME OF THE LITTLE GUYS.
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LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF CAR NUMBER 1'S.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Claychamp123 on May 27, 2012, 01:19:57 AM: Wow, What kind of body is on that car called the wild one?'
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on May 27, 2012, 08:20:51 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on May 27, 2012, 01:19:57 AM
Wow, What kind of body is on that car called the wild one?'

IT IS A HENRY J. (also used as drag car 2010 at skyview and seen at norwich car museum)
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: bakes on May 28, 2012, 01:46:16 PM: Those '68 photos brought back some serious memories!! :) Lets's see:

19 - Wayne Reynolds
151 - Wayne Edwards
10 - Larry Groover
17 - Tom Pelto
60 - Dave Offnick (with Larry Edwards' 5 and Dutch Hoag's 7 behind it)
8o8 - Wild looking car; do not remember who drove it, but somehow I seem to recall this car getting wrecked and then resurrected the next year with Johnny Cedarborg at the wheel.
8 - Carl Fellows
Snoopy 1 - Don't recall this one.
Wild 1, 98, 1 - Do not recall these either; was the 98 Bill Brainerd?
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rocket88 on May 28, 2012, 02:55:22 PM: Snoopy 1 is Buck Holiday.
54 Billy Blum
42 Bob Sweeney
33 Bob Merz,Sr. (it's a Rambler body!)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on May 28, 2012, 03:36:09 PM: Quote from: bakes on May 28, 2012, 01:46:16 PM
Those '68 photos brought back some serious memories!! :) Lets's see:

19 - Wayne Reynolds
151 - Wayne Edwards
10 - Larry Groover
17 - Tom Pelto
60 - Dave Offnick (with Larry Edwards' 5 and Dutch Hoag's 7 behind it)
8o8 - Wild looking car; do not remember who drove it, but somehow I seem to recall this car getting wrecked and then resurrected the next year with Johnny Cedarborg at the wheel.
8 - Carl Fellows
Snoopy 1 - Don't recall this one.
Wild 1, 98, 1 - Do not recall these either; was the 98 Bill Brainerd?

wild 1- bob burton
98 bill brainard
808 i have it as dave kenisel
green 1 don't know
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Rockin52 on May 28, 2012, 05:25:30 PM: I think the green # 1 was George Chalker from Montrose.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: vintage44x on May 29, 2012, 08:24:28 AM: 51 - Eddie Rafferty?
5/50 Mike Zopp
04 - Don Yeingst
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: argonrcn on May 29, 2012, 12:33:54 PM: Quote from: vintage44x on May 29, 2012, 08:24:28 AM
51 - Eddie Rafferty?
5/50 Mike Zopp
04 - Don Yeingst

no 51 is kurt busch / (yes ED RAFFERTY)
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: MoparMissile on May 29, 2012, 02:08:19 PM: #13 is Ben Stephens
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on May 30, 2012, 11:19:33 AM: Is the #60 in the top bunch also Dave Offnick? (Dave on the door). Also...what year did they cut the trees out from the infield?
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Post by: Jay Mooney on May 30, 2012, 03:02:58 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on May 30, 2012, 11:19:33 AM
Is the #60 in the top bunch also Dave Offnick? (Dave on the door). Also...what year did they cut the trees out from the infield?
Dale Campfield cut down the infield trees his first year as promoter, 1979. He also removed the big UKE tires from the infield that year, too.
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Post by: thedoebes on May 30, 2012, 05:28:40 PM: The 280 in the background of the #1 is Dave Kniesel.
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Post by: thedoebes on May 30, 2012, 05:32:31 PM: 93x Wayne Reynolds and the 154 is Archie Harvey
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Post by: thedoebes on May 30, 2012, 05:35:04 PM: The 12 car is Jim Hickey.
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Post by: RacinInTheBlood1 on June 01, 2012, 06:05:55 PM: here are some photos from Lemon Speedway. I'm guessing around sixties or seventies. My grandfather is in the first two photos (Chuck Turner), the thrid is of my grandmother who won the powder puff race that night (Joan Turner).
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 02, 2012, 01:43:50 PM: I've been posting articles by Joe Amentler on the "Southern Tier" thread. This one seemed a better fit over here....Enjoy!

from the Elmira Star-Gazette Aug. 14, 1976

Around the Tracks by Joe Amentler

   The regular format of this column has been postponed by rain.
   Instead, this being a Bicentenial Year, I'll reminisce about a past racing great.
   William Schindler, known as Bronco Bill or Wild Bill, was a legend in his own time. That time was the post-World War 2 boom years for racing in general and midget racing in particular.
   Bill Schindler, of Freeport, N.Y., was special in many ways.
   The record shows he was one of the best midget drivers ever. During the fiercely competitive years of 1947-48, when dozens of tracks in the Northeast provided the little buzz bombs with seven nights a week of racing and hundreds of drivers competed, many of them top-rated talent, Bill Schindler compiled a record of 106 feature victories.
   He out-charged the chargers, out-braved the reckless, out-foxed the cuties and even off the track, in his quiet, smiling manner, he outshone the flamboyant. He was medium height with a stocky build, balding, but ruggedly handsome.
   He favored embroidered, black silk shirts, gaudy on others but natural on Bronco Bill. His personality overshadowed another unique aspect of his appearance. He had only one leg.
   Schindler lost his leg in a big car (sprint car) accident in 1936. Legend has it he won a midget feature the day he was discharged from the hospital. True or not, he did return to racing soon after although he gave up sprint cars in favor of the increasingly popular midgets.

   In 1939 the American Racing Drivers Club was formed to sanction eastern midget racing and Schindler was elected president, a post he filled until 1948. He was four times ARDE champion during that period.
   The fan appeal of midgets waned around 1950 and with fewer races Schindler, who drove for a living, turned once again to sprint car and championship racing. It was an initially successful but ill-fated return.
   He competed at Indianapolis in 1950-51-52, qualifying in the top third of the field in cars that had seen better days. His best finish was 13th in 1951.
   Also in 1951, his first full season back in sprint cars, he just missed dethroning perennial Eastern sprint champ Tommy Hinnershitz, beating the "Flying Dutchman" in many races from New England to Florida.
   The Schindler-Hinnershitz battles raged on during the 1952 season. On Sept. 20 that year Schindler entered a sprint race at the Allentown, Pa., Fairgrounds, despite, it is said, a premonition of ill fortune. He was moody and distant before race time and friends urged him to skip the event. But he was a professional and he had a job to do.
   Wild Bill Schindler took the green flag for the last time. During the race, for no apparent reason, he lost control and crashed through the fence and into a large tree. He was killed instantly.

   The feeling of loss was immense in myself and in all who knew him or of him. The funeral in his, and my former, hometown of Freeport, N.Y. was attended by many of the top drivers of the day. It was a closed casket service but the image of Bronco Bill was in the minds-eye of everyone in that somber gathering.
   The era was a time for racing heroes and to a teen-age, neophyte race fan Bill Schindler was the ultimate hero.
(photo of Bill Schindler no credit supplied)
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Post by: thewackyracer on June 02, 2012, 05:03:57 PM: There is no way you could have picked a better article, I spent many nights watching Wild Bill race at the Civic Stadium. Thank you Jerry Sr..
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 17, 2012, 12:21:13 PM: My brother Darrell at Weedsport back in 1972 when the little guy still had a chance even though it was an uphill battle. Now days when you show up at alittle place like Penn Can for an ROC race you can get a little depressed when you realize that about thirty of the teams there have more dollars parked in their pit stall than you've spent on racing in your entire thirty-five year career!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 18, 2012, 01:52:59 PM: I'm with ya. My buddy wants so bad to return to the seat. He quit in '93 because of cost. I went through the pits with him a few weeks ago, and he got discouraged when he found out how much some of the big block guys are putting in their motors. You could almost buy a nice house with what some of these guys are spending.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 30, 2012, 08:37:20 AM: Dale Welty flips the Baby Blue #2 at Canadaguia circa 1983. I got up over Johnny Podolak #4's wheel and went into the wall on two wheels, from there things really picked up! I think Johnny may have suffered a broken wrist due to our wheels bumping. Photo by Don Romeo. Crash by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 30, 2012, 08:38:59 AM: #2
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 30, 2012, 08:40:23 AM: #3
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 30, 2012, 08:41:49 AM: #4
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 01, 2012, 09:42:50 AM: As I had mentioned on the "Southern Tier" thread, Howard Boyce has lent me some amazing photos that he has graciously allowed me to share with you guys...There is no problem with anyone pirating these and no one will get upset if they end up somewhere else. Just have the common courtesy to credit Mr. Boyce. These are pics he took @ the Syracuse NASCAR race in 1956...
I believe the #42 would be Lee Petty
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 01, 2012, 09:44:03 AM: Syracuse 1956 (H.Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 01, 2012, 09:46:16 AM: Someone gets the hook... (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 01, 2012, 09:48:08 AM: NASCAR @ Syracuse 1956 (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 02, 2012, 08:34:03 AM: The other four pictures from this set. NASCAR @ Syracuse in 1956. I believe Howard took these w/ an eight shot "brownie"
A car at speed.... (H.Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 02, 2012, 08:37:32 AM: The pits @ Syracuse..NASCAR 1956 (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 02, 2012, 09:04:15 AM: NASCAR 1956 @ Syracuse (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 02, 2012, 09:07:28 AM: I went searching the net for info on the cars pictured. It was pretty sparse...perhaps someone out there can shed some light as to who these fellows are. I did get results for the top three: 5/30/56; Winner: Buck Baker; Second: Jim Pashal; Third: Lee Petty (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: IrishJoeJr on July 02, 2012, 12:23:48 PM: 1956-23

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NASCAR Grand National race number 23 of 56
May 30, 1956 at New York State Fairgrounds, Syracuse, NY
150 laps on a 1.000 mile dirt track (150.0 miles)

Time of race: 1:44:26
Average Speed: 86.179 mph
Pole Speed: 83.975 mph Cautions: 1 for 3 laps
Margin of Victory: 3 laps
Attendance: 6,000
Lead changes: 2

Glossary 1956 NASCAR Grand National results

Fin St # Driver Sponsor / Owner Car Laps Money Status Led

1 1 300 Buck Baker Carl Kiekhaefer '56 Chrysler 150 1,900 running 141
2 6 75 Jim Paschal C U Later Alligator (Frank Hayworth) '56 Mercury 147 1,300 running 0
3 2 7 Jim Reed Jim Reed '56 Chevrolet 146 950 running 0
4 4 42 Lee Petty Petty Enterprises '56 Dodge 145 700 running 0
5 8 2 Gwyn Staley Hubert Westmoreland '56 Chevrolet 145 535 running 0
6 3 14 Billy Myers Bill Stroppe '56 Mercury 144 375 fuel pump 0
7 23 300C Speedy Thompson Carl Kiekhaefer '56 Chrysler 144 325 running 9
8 5 340 Ralph Liguori Ralph Liguori '56 Chrysler 142 275 running 0
9 24 226 Russ Truelove Bob White '56 Mercury 141 150 running 0
10 12 10 Nolan Swift Jim Cushman '56 Buick 137 125 running 0
11 16 147 Hoss Kagle Hoss Kagle '56 Chevrolet 135 100 running 0
12 13 1 Ken Seibel 134 100 running 0
13 14 230 Benny DeRosier Adelmo Tiezzi '54 Hudson 129 100 running 0
14 15 179 John Lindsay John Lindsay '55 Chevrolet 126 100 running 0
15 21 3 Curley Hatfield '55 Chevrolet 121 100 running 0
16 9 285 Don Carr Jim Stephens '56 Pontiac 120 100 engine 0
17 22 211 George Cork '55 Plymouth 117 100 running 0
18 18 77 Walt Schubert Bob Bunselmeyer '55 Ford 114 100 running 0
19 19 41 Billy Rafter Billy Rafter '55 Dodge 114 50 running 0
20 11 81 Frank Jamison '55 Chevrolet 88 50 overheating 0
21 17 195 Jim Rhoades '55 Packard 83 50 piston 0
22 7 95 Bob Duell Julian Buesink '56 Ford 23 50 lr tire 0
23 20 11 Sonny Walters 20 50 overheating 0
24 10 59 Blackie Pitt Brownie Pitt '56 Buick 1 35 crash 0

Lap leader breakdown:
Leader From
Lap To
Lap # Of
Laps
Buck Baker 1 102 102
Speedy Thompson 103 111 9
Buck Baker 112 150 39
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 02, 2012, 10:33:13 PM: The #71 says Sam Hanks on the roof. Sam was a top Indy Car driver back in the day and I'm pretty sure he won the Indy 500 driving the radical Belond Special roadster in something like 1956. The Belond had it's Offenhouser engine laying on it's side dramatically reducing the cars center of gravity and lowering it's hood line for better areo dynamics. I didn't see Sam's name in the results. Also I'm pretty sure the Rebel Flag #7 would normally be "Rebel Mundy". It wasn't until last year after his death that many people found out that Rebel's real name was something like Ellio Escabes.... A hispanic driver in Nascar back in the fifties! He won more races than Juan Pablo too! I don't see his name in the results either. There may be a mix up between the pictures and the reults years.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on July 03, 2012, 05:24:36 AM: The 7 car is definitely Frank "Rebel" Mundy who was born Francisco Eduardo Menendez in 1918. The car pictured above is a 1953 Hudson Hornet, which raises a few questions.

From the Georgia Racing History website:

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But Mundy raced the car he was most famous for halfway through 1952, when he competed in a Hudson Hornet in a NASCAR Grand National event at the Michigan State Fairgrounds on June 29. He finished 11th in a Hornet owned by Walt Chapman. It marked the beginning of a beautiful friendship between Mundy and Hudson, and the departure of the Atlanta Driver from NASCAR for the next four years.

Mundy left Bill France’s empire to compete on the AAA Stock Car circuit. He piloted his Hudson to one win in 1952 at Carrell Speedway in Gardena, California on Dec. 7, leading 142 laps en route. He would record five wins in 1953, including two wins at Carrell, one at Toledo, one at Heidelberg Speedway in Pennsylvania and a victory at the Milwaukee Mile.

Mundy’s final win in a Hudson came at Broadway Speedway in Knoxville, Tennessee, in a 1954 Hudson.

After one last race at Milwaukee in his Hudson, where he finished 10th, Mundy became a driver for Carl Kiekhaefer, who would soon be taking NASCAR by storm.

Mundy piloted Kiekhaefer’s AAA Chrysler to a victory his first time out, winning again at Knoxville. Mundy would tag on two additional wins for Kiekhaefer, winning back-to-back events at the Milwaukee Mile.

In 1955, Mundy would pick up eight AAA stock car wins driving for Kiekhaefer, including a run of five in a row, and was the series champion as a result.

Mundy would return to NASCAR in 1956, driving select Grand National and Convertible events for Kiekhaefer. He recorded six wins in his pop-top 1956 Dodge, including the final win of his career at the Missouri State Fairgrounds on June 17.

My guess is that the above photos were taken in either 1953 or 1954 at a AAA sanctioned event.
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:09:55 AM: The pictures were most definitely taken at Syracuse in 1956 for the NASCAR race (Petty being there should be a great indicator of this). My guess as to why the other cars weren't in the results is that they didn't qualify. In the results it has Jim Reed in the #7...possibly a borrowed ride. The bottom line here is we weren't there and Mr. Boyce was!
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:49:33 AM: Some more pictures from Howard Boyce's collection. These are dated 1973 @ Trenton.
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:52:42 AM: "Haulers" waiting to enter the pit gate @ Trenton. The rig on the right is Pettys. The car in front of it is #23...They've come a long way baby! (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:54:16 AM: Neil Bonnet
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:55:21 AM: 2nd in series
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:56:13 AM: and 3rd (H. Boyce photos)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:58:02 AM: Cars at speed @ Pocono (H.Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 03, 2012, 09:58:57 AM: Pocono 1977 (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 04, 2012, 09:27:49 AM: More NASCAR shots from Howard Boyce...Lennie Pond @ Pocono
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 04, 2012, 09:28:41 AM: Bobby Allison (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 04, 2012, 09:30:25 AM: I really dig this one...David Pearson in the Wood brothers #21...1977 race winner (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 04, 2012, 09:36:49 AM: Bud Moore's #15... Buddy Baker? (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 04, 2012, 09:37:30 AM: The King (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 04, 2012, 09:39:06 AM: Petty's ride on pit road... (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 04, 2012, 09:49:16 AM: This is the last of the NASCAR stuff. Bobby Allison in the Penske Matador in 1974 @ Pocono. Isn't it neat how close you could get to these cars back then! (H. Boyce photo)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 08, 2012, 07:18:15 AM: Never heard of that Pearson guy but you ought to be mad Bob.....he stole your paint scheme!!!
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 08, 2012, 05:36:16 PM: Those Woods Brothers sure do make some handsome cars!
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Post by: Frasson118 on July 09, 2012, 08:25:35 PM: That AMC Matador always has me wondering what would have happened if original driver, Mark Donahue had not been killed in a practice crash in an F-1 car. This car was Marks ride, and he was doing NASCAR, Indy cars, F-1 cars and Prototype Road Racing cars.

NASCAR was not a priority for either Mark or Penske at the time... but if it HAD been, Mark could have gone down as one of the best ever in Nascar.

It was after Marks death that Roger and Bobby got together, and I don't think Rogers heart was in it. He got out of NASCAR for several years, until he pulled out a single-race effort at Darlington (of all places) with a totally unknown Rookie.. some kid named Rusty Wallace. All they did that day was finished 2nd, and stunned the Nascar world. It was many years later when they hooked back up full time.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on July 10, 2012, 09:03:59 AM: Quote from: Frasson118 on July 09, 2012, 08:25:35 PM
That AMC Matador always has me wondering what would have happened if original driver, Mark Donahue had not been killed in a practice crash in an F-1 car. This car was Marks ride, and he was doing NASCAR, Indy cars, F-1 cars and Prototype Road Racing cars.

NASCAR was not a priority for either Mark or Penske at the time... but if it HAD been, Mark could have gone down as one of the best ever in Nascar.

It was after Marks death that Roger and Bobby got together, and I don't think Rogers heart was in it. He got out of NASCAR for several years, until he pulled out a single-race effort at Darlington (of all places) with a totally unknown Rookie.. some kid named Rusty Wallace. All they did that day was finished 2nd, and stunned the Nascar world. It was many years later when they hooked back up full time.

Jerry,

You sure that wasn't Atlanta? I was at the Atlanta race in '80, Dale Sr won (if I remember right Cale Yarborough broke very near the end while leading) and Rusty was second.
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Post by: Frasson118 on July 10, 2012, 11:27:52 AM: I think you're right DW. I believe I'm crossing 2 stories together.

It was Terry Labonte who debuted at Darlington, and got a 4th place finish right out of the box. Rusty & Roger was at Atlanta.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on July 10, 2012, 05:27:15 PM: Quote from: Frasson118 on July 10, 2012, 11:27:52 AM
I think you're right DW. I believe I'm crossing 2 stories together.

It was Terry Labonte who debuted at Darlington, and got a 4th place finish right out of the box. Rusty & Roger was at Atlanta.

Don't tell any of my ex-wives that I was actually right once.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 10, 2012, 10:55:45 PM: Geez Bro....you said you burned all those old brain cells out in college!!!! and here you are remembering stuff from all those years ago! That story about Darwin's theory of evolution and the strong brain cells surviving must be correct. With all the Hoopla about Danica heres a pic of Janet Guthrie at Daytona. Thank God she never did the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition!
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on July 11, 2012, 11:10:01 AM: Better be careful, Dale... the Christians don't care much for Darwin.
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Post by: Chargincharlie on July 28, 2012, 06:32:13 PM: Looks to be around 30 streets for the 700$ to win and lots of different sportsman also.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 05, 2012, 10:28:42 PM: Here's a clipping from the 1968 Gator News.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 11, 2012, 09:13:28 AM: Here's a photo I won in the silent auction at the Spaulding Foundation for Injured Drivers Benefit. It's an autographed copy of five Indy 500 winners together at the "Brickyard" posing with the Belanger Special which I believe won the race at least twice. Left to right with the year of their victory, Bill Holland 1949, Johnnie Parsons 1950, Lee Wallard (seated) 1951, Troy Ruttman 1952, Bill Vukovich 1953, 1954. Of course "Vuky" was amazing at Indy. He would have won four years in a row except that his steering broke while leading at the end in 1952, he won in 53 and 54 and he had an insurmountable lead in 1955 when he got caught up in a lap car's accident and flipped wildly out of the track down the back straight killing him instantly. Another Hero gone to the "Marble Orchard". Photo by O'Dell and Shields, Indianapolis, IN.
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Post by: Nate Pickering on August 26, 2012, 09:49:36 PM: 1st Photo: Eddy Anchor posing for his victory photo at the defunct racetrack known as Hornell Raceway. Eddy won many races, making himself a racing legend. For everyone's information that didn't already know, the Hornell Raceway was opened in 1959 by the Amidon family, and disappointingly closed in 1965.
-Photo Courtesy of Hornell's historical society.

2nd Photo: Another photo at the successful Hornell Raceway. This picture is of Don Wood at the facility after a modified victory long ago.
-Photo Courtesy of Hornell's historical society.

3rd Photo: We're back at Woodhull with Ron Baker in victory lane after a victory in the modified division! Ron proved himself in the late model division and late model division as a very successful competitor, winning many races at the famed "High-Banks!"
-Photo Courtesy of Donald Greene.

4th Photo: Another photo taken at the Woodhull Raceway. This is none other than Arnie "Bulldozer" Flint. He won many races in the late model divison and modified division, as well. As you can tell, victorious nights were not uncommon for Arnie, as he is seen with the checkered flag in his hand in this picture.
-Photo Courtesy of Donald Greene.

5th Photo: Another photo of "Bulldozer" Flint in victory lane at the Woodhull Raceway. This time, in contrast with his late model victory picture, he is seen with the checkered flag in his hand after piloting his "6x" modified to the much deserved A-main victory!
-Photo Courtesy of Donald Greene.

6th Photo: In this photo, you will see Jim Theilan and his crew making minor adjustments to their late model in the pitting area at the Woodhull Raceway. Please note the amount of vehicles in the pitting area, as well as the parking area for spectators. Back years ago, it wasn't uncommon for Woodhull to have 35 to 40 amateur stocks each race night. Many have said it was really town against town, as in many instances, 10 competitors from various towns came to challenge the "High-Banks."
-Photo Courtesy of Tim Deebs.

7th Photo: Tommy Kull is seen in this photo with the checkered flag after piloting his modified to victory at Woodhull.
-Photo Courtesy of Tim Deebs.

8th Photo: Bob Johnson and his crew all gathered their late model at the Woodhull Raceway years ago. Seen from left to right, correct me if I'm wrong, is Mike Burdett, Jerry Clark, Chuck Williams, Tom Ames, and of course, our very own Bob Johnson!
-Photo Courtesy of Tim Deebs.

***Once again, I will add more vintage Woodhull Raceway pictures as time permits. Morgan Colegrove and I have decided to sit down and hopefully get his collection scanned over to the internet so we can share his "treasure trove" of pictures. You wouldn't believe the amount of people that flock me wanting to know the history of Woodhull through pictures and the eyes of the legends as they seen it. Once again, thanks to all of the men who have let me take their pictures and put them to good use.***

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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:07:59 PM: My wife and I took a little road trip out to Morris, N.Y. this afternoon and took in the 17th annual Central New York stock car reunion. (They also had their Hall of Fame induction). It was a neat event with a fair amount of cars on hand. I took pictures...
One of my all time favorites is Jack Johnson. (I always had a penchant for dudes with the last name Johnson...go figure). ALWAYS the nicest looking cars! Here's one brought back from the grave.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:12:25 PM: I'm not sure who drove some of these cars...feel free to chime in with any info you guys might have.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:13:33 PM: A nice looking asphalt Vega...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:15:19 PM: The artistict view....
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:16:15 PM: Poster from 1949 "Big Car" race @ Morris
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:18:54 PM: Bud Hinman #5 "Bug"
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:19:52 PM: The roof of the Hinman car...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:21:39 PM: the trunk of the Hinman car...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:23:18 PM: Joe Donahue's #TC9
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:25:36 PM: Bill Wimble's #33
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:27:31 PM: This was my wifes favorite. Don Beagle's infamous #29...and yes, it really is that long!
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:28:41 PM: another shot of the #29
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:31:43 PM: I was talking with a fellow who grew up next to the Beagles (sorry if I have spelled the name wrong)..he was saying this car had disappeared and then all of the sudden it shows up again as if by magic.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:35:16 PM: Another Beaggle #29...
This also is the start of the game "Where's Marge?"
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:36:18 PM: original flags and flag stand from Mid-State...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 09, 2012, 09:38:14 PM: One more for tonight..I'll post the rest tommorrow.
This was a graphic on a Crosley helmet that was on display.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:32:34 PM: More photos from the Central New York Old-Timers shindig...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:33:18 PM: Another beauty...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:34:29 PM: A couple shots of a Chuck Akulis car...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:36:18 PM: Another angle for the #Fordy
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:38:01 PM: Another Chuck Akulis car....
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:39:59 PM: the #197
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:41:01 PM: the "hood orniment" on the #197
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:42:32 PM: I found this very interesting...dually's on the back of the #197...loving the home made safety wheels.
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:45:11 PM: An absolutely beautiful Camaro late-model
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:46:44 PM: I love red...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:48:12 PM: Another really nice one...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:49:23 PM: a fabulous flathead...
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:51:16 PM: the #196
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:53:59 PM: got a kick out of this one...complete with tow bar. Wondering if the orange thingy on the end was to help judge where the corner was for setting up for the turns (LOL)
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 08:55:53 PM: I had seen pictures of "Brook's House of Bar-b-q" cars in the past...this car looked Delicious
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 10, 2012, 09:07:09 PM: I saved this one for last. When I first decided to get into a race car I had planned on running a Vintage Modified. I purchased a basket case from a fellow in the Cooperstown area and brought it home to Elmira. What I soon discovered was that I was in way over my head. I placed an ad in the Gater and a gentleman from Chicago purchased the car to build a street rod "Modified". Somewhere on this thread I had posted a picture of Phil Clausen and his creation. So....Imagine my surprise when I came across the same car at the reunion! It seems that Phil had sold the car to someone in New Jersey who in turn sold the car to the present owner. It is amazing how things come full circle as the car is now back in the area where it had started the road "back to life". And ironic in that I am now building a Vintage Mod....
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Post by: deacon3j on September 11, 2012, 03:14:51 PM: The 23 Camaro Late Model was Earl Mewhorter's. He and Les always built very nice looking cars!
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Post by: argonrcn on September 11, 2012, 07:53:16 PM: BLACKJACKRACING: Did you get a picture of the "SAFETY SEAT" in the #197 ?
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Post by: argonrcn on September 12, 2012, 07:18:25 PM: Here is the safety seat from the # 197 !!!!!
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Post by: thewackyracer on September 12, 2012, 07:27:35 PM: At first glance I thought that was a Genny Cream can which would be fitting, but then I had a let down when I see it is Quaker State.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on September 12, 2012, 10:36:53 PM: Seeing all the holes in the drivers side door, I almost had to wonder if this picture wasn't taken of the Bonnie and Clyde death car. Good stuff! :)
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Post by: bakes on September 13, 2012, 10:43:25 AM: If I recall correctly, I think the owner said that the cage was constructed from an old playground swingset. Or was it old driveshafts?
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Post by: argonrcn on September 13, 2012, 09:24:33 PM: INSTRUCTIONS FROM CAR OWNER ON THE #197. All joking aside, this is a great event to attend and reminise (SP) about the good old days of racing, see old friends and make new ones. I talked and learned quite a bit from the Builder of the #23. Also learned quite a lot from some other oldtimers. JUST looking at this again,
I did see the "curchkey" , but I wonder if this message was for 5:30 A.M. or P.M. ?
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Post by: blackjackracing on September 15, 2012, 01:32:48 PM: Awesome! There was so much great stuff to see...I missed the sign.
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Post by: thedoebes on September 15, 2012, 10:12:53 PM: The #196 was driven by Phil Bennet.It was built in his fathers gas station on upper Front St.in Binghamton,NY just up a little ways from Lou Rappaports House of 1,000 Items.The garage is still there yet. It is now a used car lot.The people that are familiar with that area it's right across the street from Sam The Beer Man.I lived across from Rappaports from the early to late 50s.I remember watching them hooking up the back of the car to the wrecker and heading up to Glen Aubry Raceway every Friday Night.I also remember getting all excited because I knew that it was getting close for us to be leaving for the races.I'd get to do the whole thing all over again the next day and head to 5 Mile Point.Phil later worked on my cousin Ed Doeblers #25 Street Stock and Late Model that Ed raced at the old Shangri La Speedway.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 16, 2012, 09:29:25 PM: Here's a pic I took at Langhorne National open after the race. It was either 70 or 71. I believe it is Ray Sitterly's car. I think Bob posted one of his earlier cars. Pic by me. Now that I look the car you put up was C-38 so maybe not the same driver.
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Post by: spooker on October 01, 2012, 02:54:07 PM: Just an FYI about some of those "old" cars: the Beagel long-nose car, the pink Akulis coupe and the Wimble 33 are re-creations. The #37 Falcon, TC-9, the Hinman "bug" (wish they had left it as-found rather than re-painting it!), the Benny Stephens 3X Vega, the 197 and others are "real" cars. The 3X is the car Benny flipped over the wall at Trenton in the '70's, 2012 Hall of Fame inductee Doug Rundell was the builder (and repairer!). Doug also crewed on Wimble's team for many years and was a decent driver, too. He and his son ran a limited super at Oswego for a few years, won a few. Oh yeah, the #78 coupe is owned and raced by Mert "Socks" Hulbert. Blackjackracing, did you get a look at the cage and gas pedal in the TC-9? Square tubing, cut and welded to make all the "bends", and a large strap hinge for a gas pedal! Also, the driver sat flat on the floor with his legs straight out.

Brian
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Post by: bakes on October 01, 2012, 03:07:51 PM: Quote from: spooker on October 01, 2012, 02:54:07 PM
Just an FYI about some of those "old" cars: the Beagel long-nose car, the pink Akulis coupe and the Wimble 33 are re-creations. The #37 Falcon, TC-9, the Hinman "bug" (wish they had left it as-found rather than re-painting it!), the Benny Stephens 3X Vega, the 197 and others are "real" cars. The 3X is the car Benny flipped over the wall at Trenton in the '70's, 2012 Hall of Fame inductee Doug Rundell was the builder (and repairer!). Doug also crewed on Wimble's team for many years and was a decent driver, too. He and his son ran a limited super at Oswego for a few years, won a few. Oh yeah, the #78 coupe is owned and raced by Mert "Socks" Hulbert. Blackjackracing, did you get a look at the cage and gas pedal in the TC-9? Square tubing, cut and welded to make all the "bends", and a large strap hinge for a gas pedal! Also, the driver sat flat on the floor with his legs straight out.

Brian

The TC-9 was a scary device even when it was racing back in the 1960s - I recall looking at the cage shortly after it was found and restored and thinking "that ever hits anything it's all over." Still, cool that it survived.

It's getting harder and harder to locate old stock cars - the ones that were outside were either found or junked due to rust, and the ones in barns nobody can see because, well, they're in barns. ;D
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Post by: spooker on October 01, 2012, 04:36:43 PM: Yeah, bakes, it's real tough to find an original anymore. I'm building a replica of my avatar car, IH Scout frame, freshly gutted Gremlin body, period suspension and brakes. Not going to keep up with the '80's Olsen and Troyer "vintage" cars but it will be fun to throw around. I'm sorry, but IMHO vintage tin over a tube chassis does not a vintage car make! Put a little effort and research into them, guys! Also, the TC-9 was not "restored" other than replacing a few missing pieces (some parts are a little "modern"). Ted Wrench, the owner when Irish Joe won his championship, still had it stored until a few years ago when John Mason pried it loose from him.

Brian
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Post by: Dirtmod8Mfan on October 01, 2012, 05:18:58 PM: Quote from: spooker on October 01, 2012, 04:36:43 PM
Ted Wrench, the owner when Irish Joe won his championship, still had it stored until a few years ago when John Mason pried it loose from him.

Brian

Sorry Brian but that's not quite correct. It's definitely an original and Ted Wrench may have had it in storage, but Tim Mayne in New Berlin, NY, found it and put it back on the track in the late '80's or early '90's (I'm not sure where he found it...seems to me it was somewhere near Greene NY). Tim ran it for several years with the Midstate Antique Club but the car had reached the point that it was unsafe to put on the track. John Mason was a big Joe Donahue fan and swapped Tim a tube frame car for the Tc9. I know both Tim and John so you can believe what I'm saying.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 01, 2012, 06:16:43 PM: Hey Spooker...I did see the Donahue car...it's funny you mentioned the gas pedal as I had commented on this to anyone who was listening. I pointed out to my wife how big these guys Kahonna's were!
Looking forward to seeing your Gremlin...I'm one of the "undesirables" as I'm building a '93 Tobias w/ a '74 Mustang II body..should be interesting.
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Post by: spooker on October 02, 2012, 09:30:12 AM: Ed - Thanks for the correction, I was just going by 2nd hand accounts, guess I shouldn't have taken it all at face value! Mason is such a rabid Donahue fan that what I heard sounded correct. Blackjack - Not an undesireable at all, just a different animal! I would be restoring an original if I could find one, but since they are rare as hen's teeth, I decided to just build my own. Of course, some of the period parts are pretty hard to find, too! I wish current mods had to run stock tin of some sort, but I'm pretty sure that would mean a bunch of PT Cruisers :o!

Brian
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Post by: thedoebes on October 02, 2012, 11:32:41 AM: If you want to know all the correct facts on the TC9,the one that would know about it more than any of us would be to contact Joe Donahue JR.
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Post by: bakes on October 02, 2012, 11:44:57 AM: Quote from: Dirtmod8Mfan on October 01, 2012, 05:18:58 PM
Sorry Brian but that's not quite correct. It's definitely an original and Ted Wrench may have had it in storage, but Tim Mayne in New Berlin, NY, found it and put it back on the track in the late '80's or early '90's (I'm not sure where he found it...seems to me it was somewhere near Greene NY). Tim ran it for several years with the Midstate Antique Club but the car had reached the point that it was unsafe to put on the track. John Mason was a big Joe Donahue fan and swapped Tim a tube frame car for the Tc9. I know both Tim and John so you can believe what I'm saying.

Was it the TC9 or the Circle 22 that was found parked on an old railroad grade? I recall an early Midstate show at 5MP where these cars were running. Dad and I were talking about old stock cars and we get to the track and there they were. Very cool - I give so much credit and admiration to the people who take the time and effort to keep these pieces of history alive.
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Post by: Loudspeaker on October 02, 2012, 05:49:33 PM: The t/c9 was found next to railroad tracks, in1983
I am the event coordinator and VP of the Mid-state Antique stock car club- also track announcer at Thunder Mountain for the past 3 years. any other information you would like about the old cars and the "club" you can contact me or email with questions. -I wish Bob, you would have introduced yourself to me at the show ...it would have good to meet you
By the way the #67 car that you took a pix of belonged to Ray Kennedy out of Deruyter,NY was B class champion at mid state in early 60's and I own it along with the 150 of Pop Enders that Larry Nye drove to 2 track championships at waterloo.67/69
and yes what a privilege to own such great parts of the history of racing.
Jim chase
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Post by: Loudspeaker on October 02, 2012, 05:59:48 PM: and the circle 22 car is now the 441 that was at the show....
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Post by: bakes on October 05, 2012, 11:04:37 PM: Quote from: Loudspeaker on October 02, 2012, 05:59:48 PM
and the circle 22 car is now the 441 that was at the show....

Hi Jim - Long time no talk! I think you were the one who told me about the TC9 all those years ago at 5MP. Was the circle 22 originally a #441? I always thought that the 22 was an original; if so, why would they redo it as a 441? Same way I can't understand why the guy who redid the S/360 - 21X would change the number on that. That car is a legend unto itself.
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Post by: Loudspeaker on October 06, 2012, 10:22:45 AM: no the circle 22 was first then -not sure thats an orinigal either-but was sold to a guy that had the oringinal 441 but was far to gone to restore so he replicated the 441. as far as the s/360 goes I agree-if you are replicating something thats one thing- but if you have an original historial car. give it the respect that it deserves. so sad to see these northeast originals sold to out of staters and changed to something else.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 08, 2012, 09:44:08 PM: Brian....Spooker, Do you know how bad the 3x was after going out of the park at Trenton? I would have thought it would have been totalled but the restored car looks fine. I was there that day when Bennie crashed and actually caught it on 8mm film as a 12 year old. I don't know why I was focused on him as he was running by himself and I decided to follow him down the straight and into turn one when suddenly he drifted high caught the wall and flipped right over it! If I can find it, someday I'll transfer it to DVD hopefully before the film splits to pieces! I know I burned the film in one spot as a kid by stopping it to analyse it frame by frame.
Also was the #28 Spooker the very first Gremlin bodied car? We were racing FMP when he started running that car and I don't remember seeing a Gremlin at any of the central NY tracks or seeing any in the trade papers before I saw that one. Here's a pic by L.O. Duncan of Cal Lane in one of his early cut-downs, "Bug" at Chemung Speedrome.
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Post by: greyhairedracer on October 09, 2012, 09:13:51 AM: Dale---not to dispute you but I seem to recall the 3x going over the wall on the backstretch near the dog-leg---or am I getting it mixed up with someone else ???
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Post by: Larry756 on October 09, 2012, 05:53:44 PM: Between turn one and two.
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Post by: greyhairedracer on October 10, 2012, 08:08:39 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on October 08, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Brian....Spooker, Do you know how bad the 3x was after going out of the park at Trenton? I would have thought it would have been totalled but the restored car looks fine. I was there that day when Bennie crashed and actually caught it on 8mm film as a 12 year old. I don't know why I was focused on him as he was running by himself and I decided to follow him down the straight and into turn one when suddenly he drifted high caught the wall and flipped right over it!
Quote from: Claychamp123 on October 08, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Brian....Spooker, Do you know how bad the 3x was after going out of the park at Trenton? I would have thought it would have been totalled but the restored car looks fine. I was there that day when Bennie crashed and actually caught it on 8mm film as a 12 year old. I don't know why I was focused on him as he was running by himself and I decided to follow him down the straight and into turn one when suddenly he drifted high caught the wall and flipped right over it! If I can find it, someday I'll transfer it to DVD hopefully before the film splits to pieces! I know I burned the film in one spot as a kid by stopping it to analyse it frame by frame.
Also was the #28 Spooker the very first Gremlin bodied car? We were racing FMP when he started running that car and I don't remember seeing a Gremlin at any of the central NY tracks or seeing any in the trade papers before I saw that one. Here's a pic by L.O. Duncan of Cal Lane in one of his early cut-downs, "Bug" at Chemung Speedrome.

Quote from: greyhairedracer on October 09, 2012, 09:13:51 AM
Dale---not to dispute you but I seem to recall the 3x going over the wall on the backstretch near the dog-leg---or am I getting it mixed up with someone else ???

Quote from: Larry756 on October 09, 2012, 05:53:44 PM
Between turn one and two.

Thanks---my bad!!!!! I also was there and my foggy recall had it near the dog-leg----I'll be quiet now---lol
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 14, 2012, 01:24:38 AM: No problem. It was definately between one and two. We sat between the flagger and turn one at Trenton and I watched that film over and over. It was amazing how quick he went up and over almost like there wasn't a wall there! I also remember Dave Nichols going out of the park over the back straight wall on the 3/4 mile at Pocono during the race of Champions there. I believe he was driving a car of his own creation owned by Tom Ewing. That car was messed up, BIG TIME!!! Here's a pic of my Brother Darrell after a win in the John Fisher owned 98jr Big Block Dirt Modified whose cage was also built by Dave Nichols! Photo by Don Romeo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 27, 2012, 06:49:59 PM: Here's another one of the 98Jr cage and frame built by Dave Nichols. Darrell Welty has just won the hold over rained out feature at Weedsport Speedway circa 1977-78. This car had quarter eliptic jeep type springs all the way around. It was sorely behind the times and surprisingly fast everywhere it went!!!
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on October 28, 2012, 11:52:59 AM: What happened?

It looks like we lost a couple of pages.
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Post by: sedanfan on October 28, 2012, 06:35:10 PM: i was wondering if the car with the half springs was the same that John Mc Ardale drove it was also no 98 jr , if so it was the chassis that was the 451 sedan that Sam Reaks drove it had i/2 springs all the way around
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on October 28, 2012, 08:47:10 PM: Quote from: sedanfan on October 28, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
i was wondering if the car with the half springs was the same that John Mc Ardale drove it was also no 98 jr , if so it was the chassis that was the 451 sedan that Sam Reaks drove it had i/2 springs all the way around

I don't know the answer to that. Johnny mcCardle did drive for fisher, it was a
gremlin.
Perhaps KT could ask Bennie the Moth when he sees him, he should know if it is the same car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 28, 2012, 09:08:39 PM: I believe McArdell did drive that same 98Jr a some point but I'm pretty sure it's not the same chassis as the #451. I'm familar with pictures of that #451 coupe and I'm pretty sure it was a production frame car while the 98Jr that Darrell drove was a tube frame. The 98Jr was originally skinned as a Gremlin. I like the Chevette ......it has an ambiguity sorta like a certain car we used to call, "The Silver IT. Here's another shot of the 98Jr at speed.
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Post by: oldtimeracer on October 29, 2012, 07:54:43 AM: John McArdell drove the 98Jr. as a sedan and a Gremlin. I am not sure if it was the same frame but with the Gremlin body or not. After Sam Reakes drove the 451, Cliff Norton 77x used it as a back up for the Genessee Trail.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 29, 2012, 11:49:59 PM: The sedan about 1972.

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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 11, 2012, 08:18:32 AM: The coach may have become the Gremlin but I think the 98Jr Chevette that my brother drove also began life as a Gremlin. They may have used the body over which was common back in the day. The chassis technology was improving quickly so old cars were often hard to sell so it was common to use parts like the rear end and hubs and sometimes the body to build the new car and the reat went to scrap. Man I'd like to have the old Greame Bolia Coupe and the Cordes coupe that we scraped out now. Both cars had considerable history and would have been great vintage racers now. Too bad we didn't live on a farm as they would probably be out behind a barn! Here's a pic of "The Family Car" #2x Coupe after a bad night. We often joke that we used up every FORD Model A front axle in a hundred mile radius when Darrell was still getting the hang of this Dirt Modified stuff! Photo by me.
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Post by: spooker on November 18, 2012, 04:56:17 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on October 08, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Brian....Spooker, Do you know how bad the 3x was after going out of the park at Trenton? I would have thought it would have been totalled but the restored car looks fine. I was there that day when Bennie crashed and actually caught it on 8mm film as a 12 year old. I don't know why I was focused on him as he was running by himself and I decided to follow him down the straight and into turn one when suddenly he drifted high caught the wall and flipped right over it! If I can find it, someday I'll transfer it to DVD hopefully before the film splits to pieces! I know I burned the film in one spot as a kid by stopping it to analyse it frame by frame.
Also was the #28 Spooker the very first Gremlin bodied car? We were racing FMP when he started running that car and I don't remember seeing a Gremlin at any of the central NY tracks or seeing any in the trade papers before I saw that one.

Dale, sorry for the long wait for a reply! I'm swamped working on our new house, trying to get some important things wrapped up before the white stuff falls! Anyway, as I recall it, the top of the cage on the passenger side of the 3X took the hit on top of the wall, and I THINK Doug Rundell replaced the whole cage, I saw a partial cage at Larry Smith's garage shortly after that, rear hoop and door bars both sides, but no upper sides or top hoop, that Larry said was the remains of Benny's cage that he (Larry) was going to use to build his next late model. Next time I see Doug, I'll ask him, maybe he's got some pics, too. As far as the Pete Hulbert car being the first Gremlin ever built, I've always heard that, altho it was not the car that's my avatar, it was the previous one (1971) that he ran at Twin Valley and tied Red Harrington for the track championship with, it became Kenny Moore's yellow 60x in '72. Not sure how you could ever prove it was the first, but I hadn't seen another before that one, either. I have a pic of it that I'll post when I get home. I actually spent part of today working on my replica of the #28 (the avatar version) that I plan on running with the Mid-State club when finished. Worked on cleaning up the IH Scout frame & drilled out about 50 of the million spot-welds on the Gremlin body I'm using. Rusty Smith bent my cage tubing last Friday, so if the weather holds a little longer, I'll have some meaningful progress to show off!

Later,
Brian
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 27, 2012, 04:39:01 PM: Ford Easton forwarded this to me...It's most definitely worth a look.

http://archive.org/details/27EG-28-EG-58_HOTRODS (http://archive.org/details/27EG-28-EG-58_HOTRODS)
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Post by: Jay Mooney on November 27, 2012, 07:08:32 PM: Nice video. For some reason, I can’t get the sound to work. I’m guessing this was the California Roadster Association (C.R.A.) group that ran tracks like Carrell and Ascot Park. Cool shot of a young Jim Rathmann who would go on to win Indy.

These hot rods, or roadsters as they were sometimes called, were a fixture at a few upstate NY tracks for a very brief time in the late 1940’s – early 1950’s. Mainly in Eastern New York at tracks like Perth, Longmeadow and Pine Bowl and in the Rochester/Finger Lakes area at places like Hemlock, Naples, and Seneca Falls.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 29, 2012, 12:08:18 PM: Somewhere on either 'oldies but goodies' or 'racing in the Southern Tier' I had posted stuff about Seneca Falls. That had a reference to the roadster club that ran @ Seneca Falls and Hemlock. If memory serves me right their club was called the Roaring Roadsters.
I have to apologize in that I wrote down but lost the name of the gentleman who sent me the following pictures. They are of Ennie Wright who's son shared them with me. If you are reading this Mr. Wright, please PM me.
first pic is of Ennie Wright @ Circular Hill...second pic is of Ennie Wright in roadster action @ an unidentified track...I'm sure on one of you old timers will be able to ID it......
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Post by: Jay Mooney on November 29, 2012, 02:53:45 PM: I believe the #33 is actually Bill Chick who was a frequent winner with the Rochester Roadster Racing Association. The photo was taken at Hemlock. Maybe Ennie Wright was the flagger in the photo? Heck, I shouldn't even comment. Way, way before my time. Just going by some photos in a couple of books I have in my collection about the roadster era.
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Post by: blackjackracing on November 30, 2012, 12:30:42 AM: No Jay...Ennie drove and that's him in the roadster...he also drove midgets.
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Post by: argonrcn on November 30, 2012, 07:48:51 PM: WHERE WERE YOU SATURDAY NIGHTS IN 1966? Here are a couple (FEW) FRED SMITH shots that I might have posted before. Still good memories. The Shampine sedan was not around much, I mostly remember the coupe.
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Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: thewackyracer on November 30, 2012, 09:25:17 PM: I kind of think that pic of Ennie Wright looks like Caledonia NY. I was probably there when both of these pics were taken.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 01, 2012, 11:16:15 PM: Just stumbled upon this 4-sale on Ebay...
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Post by: oldtimeracer on December 02, 2012, 08:53:00 AM: The S/360 sedan was built by Danny Wilmes and sold to Corvettes by Turner
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Post by: sedanfan on December 02, 2012, 06:02:14 PM: thanks, clay champ , i know the picture of the coach looks like the same car the SAM rakes drove for Ray Edwards who built the car in 1969 and sold IT to norton , it had a lot of wins in its life time , the 1/2 springs came from turners shop , there were 2 sets one for dirt and one for asphalt
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Post by: vintage44x on December 03, 2012, 08:53:18 AM: Not to pee in your canteen, but that "S360" is far from the original. It has been advertised as such but if you ever saw the original (or pics of the original) this is a pretty poor imitation. The closest it can come is the paint scheme.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 03, 2012, 05:28:56 PM: It's funny you mentioned that...the frame is a TEO. The pictures on Ebay show some shoddy work. And they're looking to get $12,000 out of it! Hope they get it ;)
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Post by: argonrcn on December 03, 2012, 07:48:59 PM: AM I MISSING SOMETHING ? Is that car supposed to be a recreation of this one?
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FRED SMITH PHOTO 1971
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: JGALLANT on December 03, 2012, 09:04:39 PM: http://www.facebook.com/groups/445493318828423/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/445493318828423/) I started A Facebook Group site called D.I.R.T Modifieds 1980's - East Coast Has 400-600 photos from 1960's-1980's from the Northeast. Come check it out, if you like join as a member and enjoy! Thank you, John Gallant.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 06, 2012, 05:08:19 PM: Here's where I eat crow....Dean Wright got hold of me and corrected me on the roadster photos. The top photo is Ennie Wright and the bottom photo is Dean's uncle Frank Marks flagging at Hemlock. How I could doubt Jay Mooney...egads! As always Jay you are indeed the master! Jay-Mr. Wright has some articles that he thought might interest you. PM me and I'll give you his e-mail address.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 08, 2012, 04:14:14 PM: Here are some more pictures of Roadster Racing in New York State.

Top Picture: Roadster racing action at the Hemlock Fairgrounds (1949)
Bottom Pic: Jerry Earl #7 in action at Hemlock (1949). Earl was a frequent winner with the club.
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Jay Mooney on December 08, 2012, 04:20:38 PM: The big winners in the Rochester Roadster Racing Association back in the day were Jerry Earl #7 (top photo) and Bill Chick #33

Also, the roadsters from Rochester made a visit to Shangri-la Speedway in 1949. Not sure how many "local hot rods" showed up on this day. I would bet Earl and Chick were there though.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 08, 2012, 04:30:38 PM: On the other side of the State, in eastern NY, roadster racing was prevalent there too around the same time.

The top photo is of a young Pete Corey grabbing a race win at the Perth Speedway in Bob Whitbeck’s #7 roadster.

The bottom photo is of Bob Hart #45 at Burden Lake Speedway in 1950. Pretty sure Bob is the father of noted sprint car crew chief, Rob Hart who has wrenched cars on the World of Outlaws tour for Kerry Madsen, Joey Saldana, Craig Dollansky, Danny Lasoski, and others.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 09, 2012, 02:55:07 AM: Jay -

Do you know what year that Pete Corey picture was taken? Reason I ask is that Perth had 2 speedways. One was known as Perth, and the other was known as West Perth. Neither track ran at the same time as the other. The original Perth opened in the late '40s as a dirt track, but then closed for a restructuring process. While that track was closed, the other opened. It too suffered financial woes and closed after a year or 2 of operation. Meanwhile, the original track was paved and reopened for 2 or 3 years before closing for good.

The original Perth is now in the back yard of a mobile home. The West Perth track was in the middle of town, in a farmers field.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 09, 2012, 09:03:25 AM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on December 09, 2012, 02:55:07 AM
Jay -

Do you know what year that Pete Corey picture was taken? Reason I ask is that Perth had 2 speedways. One was known as Perth, and the other was known as West Perth. Neither track ran at the same time as the other. The original Perth opened in the late '40s as a dirt track, but then closed for a restructuring process. While that track was closed, the other opened. It too suffered financial woes and closed after a year or 2 of operation. Meanwhile, the original track was paved and reopened for 2 or 3 years before closing for good.

The original Perth is now in the back yard of a mobile home. The West Perth track was in the middle of town, in a farmers field.
Bob,
I'm not 100% sure. There was no date accompanying that photo. My best guess would be 1949 or '50. Those are the years when roadsters were the headliners at the original Perth track...if this is the original Perth track. By 1951 the roadsters were replaced by stock cars at just about all the tracks in the area.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on December 09, 2012, 10:07:17 AM: I tend to agree. I have a folder set aside for every track that ran in the state, and I borrow pictures for the harder to find stuff. Your Hemlock pictures qualify. :)
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 09, 2012, 10:52:01 AM: The roadsters also ran at Seneca Falls the second year that track was in existence. Very cool stuff Jay!

Moravia Republican Register 5-12-49

Seneca Falls Speedway Opens Sunday

   The roar of the Roaring Roadsters will open the racing season at the Seneca Falls Speedway Sunday, May 15. A full field of drivers is expected to appear at the first roadster race to be held in this section of the state.
   This form of racing has been the rage in the Central and far West for several years and is rapidly becoming very popular in the East.
   The drivers racing at Seneca Falls opened their racing season at Hemlock where several close finishes and crack ups gave the fans an afternoon full of action and thrills.
   Among the drivers will be Jerry Earl of Fairport, winner of the opening feature; Ira Morrison of Rochester: Larry Divito of Rochester with a newly designed racer; Harold Wright of Rochester; Ken Meahl of Lockport; Bobby Sund of Buffalo; Billy Wolf, Johnny Church, Frank Marks, Harvey Rousseau, Ernie Yorton, H.L. Brown, Dick Ford, Bill Chick, Al Stevens, who laughs at fences and of course Danny Danniels of LeRoy.
   These drivers along with newer entries always put on a good show and the fans may be assured of an afternoons entertainment that makes racing the fastest sport on earth.

Geneva Daily Times 5-16-49

Daniels Takes Speedway Prize

   Seneca Falls- Danny Daniels of LeRoy won the feature race of the "Roaring Roadster" events yesterday at the Seneca Falls Speedway.
   Daniels time for the 20-lap race on the half mile track was 8 minutes, 32 seconds.
   In earlier races Daniels also came in first in the second and fifth events. Another racing program, sponsored by the Rochester Racing club will be held Sunday afternoon, May 29.
   The finish order of the feature race was: Daniels, Irv Morrison, Rochester; Hirvey Rosseau, Fairport; Bobby Sund, Buffalo; Al Stephens, Rochester; Jerry Ear, Fairport; Ernie Yorton, Macedon; Bobby Sund, Buffalo; Kenny Meahl, Lockport
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: spooker on December 10, 2012, 04:28:58 PM: Hey Dale, again sorry for the delay, but here's a pic of the first Pete Hulbert Gremlin, from 1971, Fred Smith photo:

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Brian
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2012, 10:05:12 PM: I'm pretty sure that was definately the earliest Gremlin bodied car in the Central-Southern Tier area if not the entire northeast.
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Post by: railbird steve on December 13, 2012, 11:34:15 PM: WOW! what a cool looking mod !
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Post by: spooker on December 14, 2012, 01:40:16 PM: Yeah, stock Gremlin tin on a Scout frame, pretty neat! Love the blue headers! Working on the car in my avatar right now, hope to do this one, too.

Brian
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2012, 09:29:03 AM: I received this from Ford Easton in Florida...Thought you all might get a kick out of it.....

Good Friday evening to all around our nation and Canada, Peter Hurtubise and I communicate quite often via phone and e-mail. Recently Peter sent me copies of many of the family photos of the Indy car racing days that involved both Peter and his more famous brother Jim. I am sure 99% of you recognize the name Jim Hurtubise. These photos I will be sharing with you show the car building for the Indy ventures that Peter and Jim campaigned in the 60's. I will be sharing these with you in chapters from time to time. The first chapter overviews the venture that put Jim in the middle of the front row at Indy in 1963 with the roadster car and Novi engine. The second chapter will feature photos on getting to that point in a venue in Niagara County WNY.
Ford
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2012, 09:31:56 AM: First photo is Andy Granatelli(Mr. STP) doing dyno. test runs on the Novi engine. The 56 # was synonymous with Jim's racing cars be it at Cuba Lake Raceway in a 37 Ford flatback or at Indy.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2012, 09:34:42 AM: Round two of Ford's E-mail......Hi to all again on this Sat. morning, Many of you have e-mailed me back requesting "more" and "now" on the Hurtubise story. I am sure most of you are expecting an ultra modern multi million dollar shop where the Hurtubise Indy car was built at. Well the pictures below show what the shop was in reality. The pony in the photo is Karen's, Jim's daughter. You can see Jim laughing in first photo as the pony had decided to spread some fodder. Location of their shop was in a barn in Niagara County New York. By the way Karen went on to become a champion horse rider in Indiana in later years.
Point being it didn't take a multi million dollar shop to generate a top competitive car to be on the front row at Indy. I took people like Jim and Peter with the innovation and insight to make it happen. Next to last photo is a good one of Peter on left and Jim on the right.
Ford
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 17, 2012, 09:36:58 AM: Last batch...Thanks to Ford Easton and Peter Hurtubise for sharing!
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Post by: argonrcn on December 17, 2012, 08:14:55 PM: Anybody know anything about this picture? It was part of George Barr's collection.

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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 24, 2012, 02:27:07 PM: Boy that guy that got run over is practically in the passengers seat! That pic reminds me of this one with Herbie Green and maybe Tom Gush from Chemung Speedrome. . Pic by L.O. Duncan.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on December 24, 2012, 04:20:36 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on December 17, 2012, 08:14:55 PM
Anybody know anything about this picture? It was part of George Barr's collection.
Shot in the dark: Morris? George Barr was Shangri-la's photog back in the day. The only track in the area I can think of that would have old wooden buildings like that close to the track would be Morris. At least from the pics I've seen anyway. No idea who the drivers are.
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Post by: racefan61 on December 26, 2012, 07:43:02 PM: I do believe you are right claychamp that 55 is tom gush
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2012, 11:13:32 PM: Here's another action shot from Chemung. Tom Gush and Darrell Welty spin in what I think is turn one. I think you can see Darrell's errant tire and wheel flying. I don't know if it was because of the Torsion Bar Suspension on that 57 Plymouth or what but it would generate so much lateral force on the right rear wheel that it would tear the center out of the wheel even if we had it reinforced. Finally Dad put about a quarter inch thick plate behind the wheel center and welded it in. That was a huge amount of reciprocating weight and must have created quite a large flywheel effect but it solved the problem!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2012, 11:14:59 PM: Now that I look at it I guess it would be Grant Frisbee spinning with Darrell....It may be Gush sneaking by.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2012, 11:16:38 PM: Chuck Kennison, The Gunmaker" in his FORD #9x Latemodel with a win at Twin Valley.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2012, 11:20:34 PM: Maybe that isn't Grant Frisbee. I've got this pic of him in the #22? If anyone has correct info please fill us in.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2012, 11:23:13 PM: Here's Darrell with the 57 Plymouth when it was brand new....first time at the track....Chemung Speedrome. It was "Petty" Powder Blue with white trim and numbers. It's definately Tom Gush in the background.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 26, 2012, 11:30:05 PM: Plus take a look at the great street cars behind Darrell's #27. Looks like a new Mercury Cougar coming into the picture and there's a "special" Dodge Dart back by the fence and either a FORD Torino fastback or a dodge charger fastback back there as well!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2012, 11:02:38 PM: Just wanted to revisit my cousin, Jim Kings, #Ox car. I had always thought it was the former Frank Mears #26 but I discovered that it was actually formerly Dave Kneisel's #711 Vega. My mistake was because I thought there was two of these identical cars but there were three: Norm Norton's #9, Mears #26 and Dave's #711. Here it is with Jim as the Ox.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2012, 11:05:38 PM: Here's the same car when Dave Kneisel had it. I believe Dave built all three cars.
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Post by: spooker on December 29, 2012, 09:55:59 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
Just wanted to revisit my cousin, Jim Kings, #Ox car. I had always thought it was the former Frank Mears #26 but I discovered that it was actually formerly Dave Kneisel's #711 Vega. My mistake was because I thought there was two of these identical cars but there were three: Norm Norton's #9, Mears #26 and Dave's #711. Here it is with Jim as the Ox.
Kind of hard to be Frank's car when it's in that same pic behind the 0x ;D! I sure wish some one could supply me with details of the front suspension set-up on those cars. Dave didn't run that car too long, not sure why, Frank and Norm made them go.

Brian
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 29, 2012, 02:50:18 PM: And here's Norm's N9. Of course I read Norm built them all. You would know better than me though. I don't remember Dave driving one.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 30, 2012, 08:41:31 PM: As I remember it Jim's car originally had quarter eliptic leaf springs that rode on a slider pad on the front axle. I think it may have also been trailer bars too at one point which is really pretty close to the same thing. Jim later changed it to outboard coil-overs on Koni shocks. The thing that amazes me is the extreme engine set back on these cars. Look at the pic of the car after they put the coupe body on it. Wheelbase looks long and the engine is exactly in the middle of the chassis. I also know the rear end was very narrow so all things being equal unless the rear springs were crazy heavy these cars should have been horribly tight. Probably why Dave didn't like it because my recollection is he liked to be really sideways whenever possible.
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Post by: blackjackracing on December 31, 2012, 02:38:30 PM: found a few photos from a USAC race on the dirt @ Syracuse in 1970...
Les Hekilla in the #68 and the cars of Terry Nichels (#83) and Woody Walcher (#84)
from a Hemmings motor news feature.
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Post by: Rockin52 on December 31, 2012, 03:18:05 PM: Norm Norton and Frank Mears cars were built in Norms body shop in Clark summit just up the road from Daves shop. Lewis Warnstorf the owner of Norms car kept it at my fathers garage in Kirkwood about 5 miles from fmp speedway. The car was later sold to Randy Decker. We had our coupe there also Norms car had half springs on top of the front axle with a unique weight jacker on the front using two quick change gears side by side and a half in ratchet welded to the center of one gear that he could control from the cockpit. Thank You for bringing back some great memories.
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Post by: spooker on January 02, 2013, 01:44:54 PM: Thanks, Dale & Rockin52, those little bits of info help tremendously! I could never tell from pics if the front had a single spring or dual-spring Flemke-type set-up.

Brian
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 02, 2013, 05:51:50 PM: I had seen this picture before but failed to copy it and, of course, forgot where I saw it...Facebook is a lovely thing!
Bertram Lord upended his car and ended up with a story to tell!!!
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 04, 2013, 07:02:33 AM: Quote from: Rockin52 on December 31, 2012, 03:18:05 PM
Norm Norton and Frank Mears cars were built in Norms body shop in Clark summit just up the road from Daves shop. Lewis Warnstorf the owner of Norms car kept it at my fathers garage in Kirkwood about 5 miles from fmp speedway. The car was later sold to Randy Decker. We had our coupe there also Norms car had half springs on top of the front axle with a unique weight jacker on the front using two quick change gears side by side and a half in ratchet welded to the center of one gear that he could control from the cockpit. Thank You for bringing back some great memories.

I remember inspecting the weight jacker on Frank's front end and it was quite ingenious. It did use a set of number 1 gears (the same size) and had a ratchet that had a rod hooked to it that went back to the cockpit so that weight could be adjusted while running. The cool thing was the little cable that hooked to the lever (think old Craftsman ratchet and old snow blower cable) and also went back to the driver, so he could change the direction of the ratchet so it would work either way.
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Post by: spooker on January 04, 2013, 08:21:15 AM: I think that's what is most lacking in today's racing, the ability to be creative! Technology has squeezed all that out. Nothing was more interesting to me as seeing 30 plus mods in the pits, ALL DIFFERENT! Nowadays, the major differences are the car's wrap, and maybe the driver's haircut!

Brian
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Post by: Loudspeaker on January 04, 2013, 05:25:39 PM: fyi - hey guys- the Norton car pictured above is currently in restoration and should be done this summer. it is the real deal and wouldn't be surprised to see it at 5mile point or the old Mid-State speedway or at some of our shows...Stay tuned.........
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Post by: spooker on January 04, 2013, 08:20:22 PM: Yeah, I heard Mike had it, haven't seen it yet!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2013, 06:29:17 PM: Searching for one thing..finding another. Here are some pictures from a web site out of Florida.
1) Will Cagle in an early photo w/ a late model
2) Will Cagle in a coach...loving the inscription on the hood
3) Billy Yuma w/ win @ Oswego in 1964
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 05, 2013, 06:31:58 PM: one more from the Florida site....Frank Luguori of Tampa, Fla. w/ midget win @ Rochester, N.Y. track (un-identified)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 05, 2013, 06:40:21 PM: Cagle had that inscription on some of his later couples too. He was the master of mind games.
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Post by: rsk1139 on January 06, 2013, 12:47:20 PM: What track is Will Cagle at in the photo of his modified? It looks like an asphalt track.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 06, 2013, 02:02:42 PM: Quote from: rsk1139 on January 06, 2013, 12:47:20 PM
What track is Will Cagle at in the photo of his modified? It looks like an asphalt track.
I've seen that one before, and I believe someone said it was Malta.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 06, 2013, 03:26:41 PM: Quote from: rsk1139 on January 06, 2013, 12:47:20 PM
What track is Will Cagle at in the photo of his modified? It looks like an asphalt track.
Catamount Stadium, Milton VT
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 06, 2013, 10:36:59 PM: Not sure Cagle neccessarily had the most modern suspension systems but his cars were always light and had more power than anyone else. Then he could always play the mind games, get rough when need be and just drive smart and fast. Almost never saw him in any crash although I did here him tell a story about a coupe he flipped at one time so even he made a mistake now and then! Here'sa pic from the Gator of my brother, Darrell beating one of the best to get his very first feature win!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 06, 2013, 10:44:18 PM: Here's the same car at Five Mile Point. This was the former Ron Hall Corvair bodied Showcar Chassis from the Batavia are. The week before he beat Cagle at Canandaguia he turned the car over in turn one. You can just see the primer areas on the roof and quarter panel in the previous post.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 07, 2013, 12:38:54 AM: In all the races I saw Cagle run at RW and Weedsport (easily 40+ feature wins from '73-'84), I only remember him in two wrecks. Early in '75 (it was a day race at w'port) his car jumped out of gear and he and Merv Triechler ended up in the wall. This one I don't think counts because it was under caution (sorry if I already posted this before).
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Post by: Jay Mooney on January 07, 2013, 10:54:19 AM: Cagle was a “money racer”. Long before racing got too expensive, his bookkeeping followed the simple principle: “Whatever prize money I get, half goes back in the car, the other half goes in my pocket’ (or something like that).

My favorite Will Cagle story was about him running Skyline in the 70’s. Rumor had it he was getting paid extra by the track promoter to back peddle in the features and not win. The promoter didn’t want him winning every week and stinking up the show. When confronted about this rumor during a televised interview on This Week in DIRT ten years later by Andy Fusco, Cagle’s cagey response was “sometimes it pays to run second”.
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Post by: oldtimeracer on January 07, 2013, 03:33:19 PM: supposedly when Cagle was given "deal" money, he always asked for an amount that was not rounded..he would ask for $503.00 not $ 500.00..that way if he ever heard he was getting deal money and it came up the odd amopunt, he knew the promotor leaked the info
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2013, 10:04:59 PM: Here's one I took at the Eastern States 200. Cagle got tangled up and blamed Dave Lecomby. Will didn't last much longer in the race. Not sure of the year. Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2013, 10:05:52 PM: oops...here it is.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2013, 10:07:25 PM: Notice that will is apparently running tubes in his tires and it must be pre-bead lock.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2013, 10:09:31 PM: Here Cagle shows Lecomby his dis-pleasure with a famous hand signal. Pic by me. I have this noted as the 1977 Eastern States at Middletown.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2013, 10:12:43 PM: A few laps later Cagle is on the hook. Be interesting to see if Lecomby beat him in the run down. Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 09, 2013, 10:14:15 PM: sorry again, here it is.
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Post by: Frasson118 on January 11, 2013, 11:46:08 PM: I can absolutely, positively confirm the Will Cagle 'deal money' story. I asked him about it, point blank while taping a Reunion video, and he confirmed the whole story. He would know if a promoter 'talked', then wouldn't trust him anymore. I think his quote to me was "get some other monkey to put on your sideshow..."

He also told a funny story about cheating to win a Soapbox Derby race when he was very little... one of the guys he beat that day... Buzzie Reutimann...! He found an old rusted out cylinder head, and put it in the nose of his car, under his feet. Took off, slow, gained on everyone, and BLEW by for the win.

I have both of these stories on DVD, and it's one of my most prized possesions.
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Post by: jeffo61j on January 18, 2013, 06:50:37 PM: The first time I was able to see Will Cagle race was August 7th, 1979 at Ransomville Speedway.

The results:

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While battling Harry Sittler for 4th, Will tangled and wound up upside down in the moat! This was back when there was water in the moat.

Jack Johnson was the big winner that day. Here's a link to the whole story:

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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 24, 2013, 09:08:16 PM: That's the crash Will was talking about. He only crashed a few times that I remember and the only injury was the time the drive-shaft / torque-arm got him so bad.Here's a clipping with him and Buzzie from the DIRT News.
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Post by: rsk1139 on January 27, 2013, 07:29:40 PM: I watched Mike Granton pass Will Cagle for the win on the last lap of the 1973 100 lap Schaefer qualifier at Ransomville Speedway. Did Will let him pass? :o :o :o
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Post by: Rich J on January 28, 2013, 07:21:00 PM: Even if Will let Mike pass him the place went nuts, quite the finish.
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Post by: oldguy on January 28, 2013, 09:58:58 PM: I once asked Will about a race like that... He said, "Sometimes it pays more to finish second."
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 28, 2013, 10:29:22 PM: Here's a pic of Bob Malzahn's , Newton Speed Center chassis in 1977 or 78. He designed and built the cars and they were for sale to the general public. When I was chassis shopping he sent me this picture and I was very impressed. I took a pickup truck load of well worn parts down to him and he built me a chassis just like this one only it was about three inches taller in the cage as he was a little guy and didn't need the space in his own car. That's the car that was my blue Falcon #2 and few years later it became a Mustang. His was a Gremlin with his trade mark fireball #99. A very nice guy and quite a good fabricator. The car had a few cutting edge ideas....so of them worked and some had to be changed. My best feature finish with the car was a third at Canadaguia Speedway behind Cagle and big Tom Hager. Later that year I destroyed it with and end over end flip down Canadaguia's back straight. Honestly it was one of the most mangled cars I ever saw that the driver walked away from. Took those same old parts off that chassis and bought my brothers old Kneisel High-rail and raced that a couple more seasons.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 28, 2013, 10:31:54 PM: Here's my Falcon built from the Malzahndesigned and built NSC chassis.
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Post by: Rocket88 on January 29, 2013, 06:56:43 PM: Looks likes to the "Batmobile"................sort of..............
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Post by: highrevs on February 17, 2013, 09:35:26 PM: Im looking for a or some pictures of a Mickey Dunbar from fivemile point around 1961 if anyone can help me out??
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Post by: argonrcn on March 16, 2013, 09:46:29 PM: GOOD OLD ASPHALT RACING! SHANGRI-LA, FULTON, LANCASTER! 1969

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Post by: argonrcn on March 16, 2013, 09:54:43 PM: Double vision

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Post by: argonrcn on March 17, 2013, 12:42:09 PM: When did Ken Canastrari start racing? I first saw him in 1969 at Fulton and followed him when he ran Shangri-la. One night going home from Shangri-la He passed us on 17 near Endwell and we saw a trooper do a u-turn to chase Ken. The next week we asked him where the trooper caught up with him. He was already on 88 when he pulled over. He always had a sharp looking car and it usually had more power than he could use. in later years I always thought he should get a younger driver to run it.

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Post by: bmxgitch on March 17, 2013, 08:15:07 PM: Checkout the 1st picture with the old flag stand and that is my Dad with his back to us ! Plus look at all the people standing under the bleachers ! All that got changed when Gordie Isham ended up in the stands right by those steps in the back ground.
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Post by: Willie41 on March 17, 2013, 08:21:39 PM: I don't know when Ken Canestreri started running, but Ibeleive he still runs a limited schedule @ Shangrila II. I remember when Dad ran w/him back in the day. He was 1 of the nicest guys to talk to. I imagine he still is.
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Post by: thedoebes on March 19, 2013, 12:21:00 PM: I seen a picture of him in the 17 coupe in the 1964 Cavalcade of Auto Racing Yearbook.Gary(bmxgitch) has the yearbook.Mine came up missing at Doug's Christmas Party.
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Post by: bakes on March 20, 2013, 03:56:29 PM: Quote from: Willie41 on March 17, 2013, 08:21:39 PM
I don't know when Ken Canestreri started running, but Ibeleive he still runs a limited schedule @ Shangrila II. I remember when Dad ran w/him back in the day. He was 1 of the nicest guys to talk to. I imagine he still is.

Yes, still a great guy and a helluva body man. Just loves racing, and his wife Dolores was always a hoot to watch at Shangri-La when she'd get all excited when he's be in the lead. As soon as he faded back she'd sit down. The night he won his first race there she wasn't in attendance, and that still bugs them both a bit. :)

One of his former cars (think it was the '84 Troyer) became the street legal metalflake "XXX" that was at Oswego one year. The guy who bought it registered it as a Cavalier. Don't think that worked too well IIRC...
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on March 21, 2013, 09:11:55 AM: Well, it says Bill Strosahl on the roof, but that looks like Mike Loescher to me.
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Post by: argonrcn on March 21, 2013, 09:17:56 PM: Quote from: Shamrock 3x on March 21, 2013, 09:11:55 AM
Well, it says Bill Strosahl on the roof, but that looks like Mike Loescher to me.

CORRECT! MIKE WAS NEARBY AND THEY NEEDED SOMEBODY TO GET IT OFF THE HAULER, BECAUSE BILL WAS LATE.
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Post by: argonrcn on March 21, 2013, 11:20:46 PM: Here is a rare one. Can anyone guess the year? instamatic with B&W film. Wasn't even looking, just heard the bang and turned and shot.

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Post by: BigFeet13 on March 22, 2013, 01:37:16 AM: 1970?
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Post by: bakes on March 22, 2013, 03:00:10 PM: Quote from: argonrcn on March 20, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
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Already been guessed - haircut's the same as Bill's but wrong color hair. ;D
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Post by: argonrcn on March 22, 2013, 06:59:53 PM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on March 22, 2013, 01:37:16 AM
1970?

Correct OCT-1970.
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Post by: argonrcn on March 22, 2013, 10:25:04 PM: Here is a shot I have always liked. Two of the best!

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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 04, 2013, 07:40:41 PM: 1974 Schaefer Qualifier, Weedsport.

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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 04, 2013, 11:06:03 PM: Here's my best guess for the ones you can see well. Left to Right.... Gary Iulg, Chuck Ciprich, Buzzie Reutimann, Gordy Isham, just face maybe Gary Balough, Dave Lape, Mike Grbac w/crutches, unknown, The big guy on right is Tommy Hager. This was truely the Golden age of DIRT Modified racing..
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 05, 2013, 12:02:41 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on April 04, 2013, 11:06:03 PM
Here's my best guess for the ones you can see well. Left to Right.... Gary Iulg, Chuck Ciprich, Buzzie Reutimann, Gordy Isham, just face maybe Gary Balough, Dave Lape, Mike Grbac w/crutches, unknown, The big guy on right is Tommy Hager. This was truely the Golden age of DIRT Modified racing..
You got all the ones I know. I don't remember if Gary Balough was there. I vividly remember this race though, even though I was 8. Do you remember who won?
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Post by: thedoebes on April 05, 2013, 01:07:13 PM: The person you said is Gordie Isham is actually Ed Rafferty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 07, 2013, 10:59:55 AM: Yep, you're right. For some reason I always get those two confused even though they look nothing alike. I was there and I think this was the race where Grbac was driving the Leto Bros #50 Gremlin. He got a flat left front tire early in the race but continued on and began moving up. He got to second and was challenging the leader (Maybe Will Cagle) with just a few laps to go and they began giving Grbac the black flag even though he had ran about 60 laps on the flat tire and hadn't cared until he was possibly going to beat one of the regulars. If it wasn't the race from this photo it was a year one side or the other.
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Post by: thedoebes on April 07, 2013, 12:53:25 PM: I know both of them real well.Gordie actually worked for my Uncles Chrysler Plymouth dealership in the mid 60s.In 67 my other uncle and him built the Orange #318 with a push button automatic tranny in it.They raced it at 5 Mile Point and Dryden.
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Post by: dennis on April 07, 2013, 08:44:02 PM: Here are a few from my childhood anyone remember
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Post by: argonrcn on April 07, 2013, 09:47:26 PM: Quote from: dennis on April 07, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
Here are a few from my childhood anyone remember

I can see them all in "VICTORY CIRCLE, NOW" Like it was yesterday> LOL! just kidding. Hope you can post them.
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Post by: bakes on April 08, 2013, 09:55:39 AM: Quote from: thedoebes on April 07, 2013, 12:53:25 PM
I know both of them real well.Gordie actually worked for my Uncles Chrysler Plymouth dealership in the mid 60s.In 67 my other uncle and him built the Orange #318 with a push button automatic tranny in it.They raced it at 5 Mile Point and Dryden.

Doebes, do either of them have any of their older cars out behind a shed?

I was a big fan of both of them as a kid at Shangri-La; always liked Gordie's 111 (or was it III?) Corvair and Eddie seemed like a really fun guy as well.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 08, 2013, 11:14:09 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on April 07, 2013, 10:59:55 AM
Yep, you're right. For some reason I always get those two confused even though they look nothing alike. I was there and I think this was the race where Grbac was driving the Leto Bros #50 Gremlin. He got a flat left front tire early in the race but continued on and began moving up. He got to second and was challenging the leader (Maybe Will Cagle) with just a few laps to go and they began giving Grbac the black flag even though he had ran about 60 laps on the flat tire and hadn't cared until he was possibly going to beat one of the regulars. If it wasn't the race from this photo it was a year one side or the other.
Grbac won this one. I remember them helping him out of the car in victory lane.
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Post by: dennis on April 08, 2013, 09:53:44 PM: Got some great photos to share but cant figure out how to resize them to
fit the RaceNY requirements.
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Post by: argonrcn on April 08, 2013, 10:20:51 PM: Quote from: dennis on April 08, 2013, 09:53:44 PM
Got some great photos to share but cant figure out how to resize them to
fit the RaceNY requirements.

It takes a bit of doing but, I use IMAGE SHACK and EMBED them.
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Post by: thedoebes on April 09, 2013, 01:12:24 PM: Bakes,as far as I know they don't.Eddie usually drove for someone.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 27, 2013, 09:35:52 AM: heres one from the sixties bugs at Chemung. Does anyone know who this was? Photo by L.O. Duncan
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Post by: greyhairedracer on April 28, 2013, 06:40:49 PM: Claychamp---I think I remember the 128 was Bobby Jaynes who was from Horseheads, NY---
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 05, 2013, 10:25:41 PM: Chemung Speedrome "Bug" action circa 1965. L.O. Duncan Photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 05, 2013, 10:26:31 PM: Sorry, here's the pic.
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Post by: greyhairedracer on May 09, 2013, 09:49:01 PM: The 7 is Ron McClure and the 16 I'm pretty sure is Cliff Pierce-----
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 19, 2013, 08:22:14 PM: This is a pic of Dutch Hoag on pit road at Langhorne in the 69 National Open. I took it with a small Browning box camera when I was a little kid. If anyone could add info such as the order of finish and how Dutch did I'd appreciate it. He was always one of my favorites. Jackie Soper was also a huge hero of mine. Did Jackie ever run at Langhorne and how did he make out?
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on May 21, 2013, 03:40:54 PM: 1969

200 Mile National Open - Sportsman-Modified Stock Cars
19th Annual - Oct. 12, 1969
Open Sanction
Winner: Ray Hendrick

1. Ray Hendrick (VA)
2. Roger Treichler (NY)
3. Jerry Cook (NY)
4. Chuck Boos (NY)
5. Merv Treichler (NY)
6. Guy Chartrand (QUE)
7. Richie Evans (NY)
8. Larry Groover (NY)
9. Jim Hurtubise (NY)
10. Sal Dee (CT)
11. Denis Giroux (NY)
12. Charlie Jarzombek (NY)
13. Gerald Chamberlain (PA)
14. Lou Lazzaro (NY)
15. Maynard Troyer (NY)
16. Geoff Bodine (NY)
17. Buzzie Reutimann (FL)
18. Jack Murphy (NY)
19. Bob Rossell (NJ)
20. Frankie Schneider (NJ)
21. Will Cagle (NY)
22. Bob Stetler (NY)
23. Mike Grbac (NJ)
24. Ernie Marshall (NY)
25. Frank Myronchuk (NJ)
26. Jackie Evans (FL)
27. Bugs Stevens (MA)
28. Benny Parsons (MI)
29. Fred Harbach (NY)
30. Lee Osborne (NY)
31. Gene Kohr (PA)
32. Paul Radford (VA)
33. Bill Strosahl (NY)
34. Dutch Hoag (NY)
35. Ed Flemke (CT)
36. Joe Kelly (PA)
37. Butch Jelley (NY)
38. Bentley Warren (NY)
39. Hal Browning (MD)
40. Ray Tilley (PA)
41. Gary Winters (NY)
42. Sammy Beavers (NJ)
43. Bryan Osgood (NY)
44. Ron Narducci (CT)
45. Bobby Gerhart (PA)

Notes: Fast Time - Roger Treichler 31.002 Seco
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 21, 2013, 05:23:28 PM: Now that's a list!
Title: Re: oldies but goodies
Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 21, 2013, 09:43:40 PM: Dale,

If that's Dutch (and I believe it is), it can't be 1969. I believe your pic may be from 1965 or 1966. Dutch won Langhorne for the Turner Bros. in 1967, but I think they had the "periscope" mirror on the roof that year. In 1965 or 1966, the #18 coupe looked like your pic. Dutch drove his own #7 and won in 1968 and his own #7 again in 1969, although he dropped out in 1969 due to no oil pressure. Turned out to be a faulty gauge. He was 2nd to Hendrick at the time he left the race. The other possibility is that it is 1968 and Gary Reichert was driving. Gary did drive the car (the one Dutch won with in 1967) in 1968, although I think it was renumbered #78. He (Gary) lives in my neighborhood and told me that he timed a second faster than Dutch had in 1967, but it wasn't good enough to make the race. That's how fast technology was changing back then.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on May 22, 2013, 04:44:16 PM: The thing I remember about Gary Reichert and the Turner brothers was the modified / super they ran. Ran with the modifieds, took off the outer body and ran with the supers. Quite successfully as I recall. The super crowd was not too happy about that.
Anybody have a picture of that?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 22, 2013, 10:28:03 PM: I think you're right on it not being 1969 in which case my father, Norm, probably took the picture. I had some on slides that I scanned and I think those are a couple years earlier than the ones I snapped. Wasn't there some controversy one year that some people contended that Dutch qualified one car but ran the other nearly identical one in the race? In any case he was always one of my hero's growing up around racing.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 06, 2013, 01:06:14 AM: Quote from: YetAnotherDW on May 22, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
The thing I remember about Gary Reichert and the Turner brothers was the modified / super they ran. Ran with the modifieds, took off the outer body and ran with the supers. Quite successfully as I recall. The super crowd was not too happy about that.
Anybody have a picture of that?
At the Oswego reunion, 2010
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on June 06, 2013, 01:16:14 PM: Is that a restored original of the Turner Bros 18/78 or a reproduction? Looks like the original to me.
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Post by: bakes on June 06, 2013, 02:40:28 PM: Quote from: Shamrock 3x on June 06, 2013, 01:16:14 PM
Is that a restored original of the Turner Bros 18/78 or a reproduction? Looks like the original to me.

99% sure it's the original, unless the owner did a Rip-esque perfect reproduction. :)
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Post by: spooker on June 06, 2013, 08:30:55 PM: Frame and body look remarkably "unrestored" (original)! I see an IH Scout frame under there, too! Neat car, back when you could be "creative" in your car building.

Brian
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on June 06, 2013, 08:49:20 PM: That car was then / is still now waaaay cool! Who owns it now?
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Post by: midstate 7 on June 09, 2013, 08:33:54 PM: Bill Tierson restored the car car after he got it from the Turners. that is a original and last i heard it was in Oswego
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 10, 2013, 08:45:02 PM: HERES A PIC OF THE SPRINTERS COMING DOWN FOR THE START IN A 1948 ESRA RACE AT SHANGRILA. I CAN'T FIND A PHOTO CREDIT.
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Post by: Rac3ingfan on June 12, 2013, 05:58:13 AM: does anyone have the season point standings for the 50's from monroe county fairgrounds?
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on June 12, 2013, 05:01:26 PM: Quote
does anyone have the season point standings for the 50's from monroe county fairgrounds?

Are you on facebook?
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Post by: Rac3ingfan on June 12, 2013, 11:06:15 PM: pm sent
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Post by: lynchmobb on June 13, 2013, 10:43:09 PM: A little more info on the #18 from Langhorne. Looks to me like 1968, which would have Lee Osborne driving. Looks like the filled-in trick side 'wings' for crashbars & the orange 'Oz' on the roof. Dutch drove the #7 that year, and Jackie Evans drove the new #81 sedan for Osborne (which eventually became the Ted Renshaw #5). I think Gary Reichert took the coupe to Langhorne in 1969 or 1970 (renumbered #78). The #18 Corvair came out in 1969.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 16, 2013, 04:37:09 PM: Old mini's. Denis Taney battling it out in the 4 bangers against Bruce Detro. Pretty sure Bruce ran Volvo, not sure on denis' car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 16, 2013, 04:39:29 PM: Another pic of his car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 16, 2013, 04:47:42 PM: This is a rear shot of our "Family Car" #2x. That was a really short bob on a 1940 chevy body. It's amazing how big the tires were back in 1972.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 16, 2013, 04:53:20 PM: Here's a front view of the same car. It's actually robin eggs blue but the film was somewhat over exposed....photo by me.
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Post by: 24KC on June 16, 2013, 06:18:30 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on June 16, 2013, 04:47:42 PM
This is a rear shot of our "Family Car" #2x. That was a really short bob on a 1940 chevy body. It's amazing how big the tires were back in 1972.
Thanks Dale I remember being 5 years old walking through the pits @ 5 Mile with my father. When I saw the keep on truckin' I thought that was the coolest thing ever.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on June 17, 2013, 04:13:32 PM: Quote from: 24KC on June 16, 2013, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Claychamp123 on June 16, 2013, 04:47:42 PM
This is a rear shot of our "Family Car" #2x. That was a really short bob on a 1940 chevy body. It's amazing how big the tires were back in 1972.
Thanks Dale I remember being 5 years old walking through the pits @ 5 Mile with my father. When I saw the keep on truckin' I thought that was the coolest thing ever.

KC you're making me feel real old now.
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Post by: oldguy on June 17, 2013, 09:22:13 PM: I have seen you drive this year, Dale. No way are you old...
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Post by: oldtimeracer on June 18, 2013, 07:41:37 AM: that's not Dale..it's Darrell
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 06, 2013, 07:24:53 AM: KC, here's a blast from the past. Dave Kneisel in the Vega that was later owned by my Cousin, Jim King. For some reason I don't really remember Dave in this car. I always liked his 3-window Indian head coupe.
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Post by: blackjackracing on July 09, 2013, 06:47:04 PM: I once did a oil painting for art class in school. My subject matter was that very #711 coupe. Someone stole it and the art teacher told me I should be honored that someone would think enough of it to want it that bad. Turned out to be a "friend" of mine as I saw it at his house a few years later....
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 15, 2013, 10:41:16 PM: With Friends like that who needs enema's?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 06, 2013, 11:58:42 AM: Hey, Dale or Darrell. Someone in one of the facebook groups is asking what the story with the Pat O'Neil 711 was. I remember it, but don't remember any story behind it. Thanks.
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on August 08, 2013, 04:35:24 PM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on August 06, 2013, 11:58:42 AM
Hey, Dale or Darrell. Someone in one of the facebook groups is asking what the story with the Pat O'Neil 711 was. I remember it, but don't remember any story behind it. Thanks.

In 1979 it was to be my second year running for Tom and Kim Ewing. They had decided to cut back and not run Sunday nights at Weedsport. I was putting together my own car to run there but really did not have enough money for that.

The 711 that was owned by Pat O'neil, Mark Cline and Jerry Thompson (not sure of spelling on that) (COT racing) was a former Dave Kneisel car that Dave was driving on Friday nights at Rolling Wheels and then on Saturday he was running his own car at Five Mile.
My cousin Jim King who worked for Kneisel and ran the parts truck at the central NY tracks for Dave was lobbying Pat to let me drive it at Weedsport every week.

They hurt the motor and the rebuilt one was ready on a Saturday so they brought it to Canandaigua and I was going to run it behind the consi to break the motor in a little before Weedsport. That night the radiator in Tom's car got loose and the fan did it in. Tom sat me down and said that he thought I was better than his car and I should move on to Pat's car. It was a very nice thing that he did for me.

I ran Pat's car in the consi and qualified from the back. A couple of weeks later was the fair race, it rained out but when they ran it prior to the regular program later I won. So now the car had Dave's name on the roof and mine on the side. I won again and then Dave decided he didn't want to run it anymore so I started running it a RW too. We never did run Weedsport (except special shows) because Pat did not like it there very well.

On another note, the car was relatively famous as it was one of only two modifieds that Midwest sprint car builder Bob Trostle built for Tighe Scott.

Darrell
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Post by: BigFeet13 on August 08, 2013, 06:34:43 PM: Thanks Darrell. Not running it at Weedsport is probably why I don't really remember it. I have pics in my programs but don't actually remember seeing the car run.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 10, 2013, 10:10:00 PM: In my opinion the #711 / #71 was the best car Darrell ever drove. They weren't highly financed by any means but the car was well maintained and had a decent motor and they weren't afraid to put new tires on it. I'll always remember the Southern Tier 100 at Five Mile Point that Darrell nearly won, taking the lead from Jack Johnson with just a few laps remaining but the caution came out and Jumpin Jack used his bumper/ nerf rails to muscle his way back by to the finish. Heres Mr. Outside with a win in the Firecracker 50 at Canadaguia.
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Post by: herm on August 12, 2013, 02:37:59 PM: I was told Pat Oneil was in the hospital a few weeks ago. I have not heard anything lately.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on August 19, 2013, 05:31:14 PM: I'd like to see the original picture of the 711. I'll bet anything one of those kids clinging to the fence is me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2013, 11:39:47 PM: Here's a pic I snapped on my 110 box camera at the 1971 Langhorne National Open. I was a fan of Geoff Bodine and he led most of the race but somehow he ended up in the front stretch wall right in front of the 12 year old me! Picture by Dale Welty.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2013, 11:40:47 PM: Chuck Boos passes by in the #9 under caution.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2013, 11:44:17 PM: Here they are lined up un the front stretch before the green. Bodine has one crew guy on each corner like they are protecting the car before the start! Pic by me
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2013, 11:46:20 PM: That last pic was from 1970. Here's the insert from the program in 71....Bodine with a new track record to start from the pole.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2013, 11:49:38 PM: Here's the start of the 71 National open. Bodine on the pole and some new guy named Evans on the outside pole. We thought that guy in the Rusty Nail Special might have a future ahead of him in Modified racing....pic by 12 year old me!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 22, 2013, 10:37:06 PM: Here's a Pic of my buddy Bill Schroth in the Bauer $75 URC Sprint Car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 22, 2013, 10:39:27 PM: Bill at speed in the Bauer #75 at Lakeville Mass.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 06, 2013, 01:42:34 AM: Here's a pic I snapped at the 71 National Open of Mr. Modified, Ray Hendricks, on the line at Langhorne Pa.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 14, 2013, 09:35:22 PM: Here's a pic I took at Syracuse Super Dirt week in probably 1972. This is Ken castrucci's car being brought back in after he flipped and the cage failed. Pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 16, 2013, 09:14:37 AM: Actually I think the Castrucci pic must be from 1973 or 74 as I couldn't go in the pits until 73.
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Post by: Nate Stevens on November 17, 2013, 11:05:51 AM: I was just going through some old racing pics and found a few from an Enduro at Black Rock in the 80s. I don't remember it at all, but I'd guess some of you all might.

(https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjald.net%2FIMG_0007.jpg&hash=e1928e7b64240aa2924d36a7f9ea2a874eb9d8ca)
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on November 20, 2013, 09:12:40 PM: Wow. It's been a long time since I've seen pictures of Dundee in this configuration.
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Post by: 112SMW on November 21, 2013, 09:20:07 AM: My thought is they should of never changed it.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 25, 2013, 10:49:14 PM: This is Circa 1965. Getting ready to pull out headed to Chemung Speedrome. My Dad will be flat towing the #27 BUG behind our Rambler six. Incidentally the Bug was powered by an American Motors Aluminum head six cylinder with dual side-draft Webber carburators. A rare engine that was the result of a colaburation between Rambler and ( perhaps Renault or maybe Jaguar) for the Lemans 24 hrs in the late fifties. All us kids are piled in the back.....not sure where the tool box and spare tire is but maybe in the cab of the racecar. Pic is probably by my Mom or one of my Sisters.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 03, 2013, 09:23:52 PM: I'm pretty sure this was during practice for the 1972 NYS Fair Race but it could be the very first Schaefer 100 race. My Brother, Darrell Welty, in the first #2x Coupe. 396 Chevy engine. Buggy spring suspension front and rear. The former Jim Carrol, Greame Bolia #331.
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Post by: lynchmobb on December 05, 2013, 12:10:33 PM: Dale - is this the same car?
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on December 05, 2013, 12:49:58 PM: I'll reply for Dale, yes that is the same car but had some changes after that picture.

The body was bobbed in the back and I think they might have moved engine back because they started running it on dirt at Weedsport rather than asphalt.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 06, 2013, 11:51:23 PM: Here's a Smith photo of the same car at Shangrila with Greame Bolia.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 06, 2013, 11:54:05 PM: Here's a composite pic I put together that shows the progression from the old #331 to the dirt style #331 to the Blue Welty #2x.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 08, 2013, 01:26:10 PM: Found this posted on facebook the other day. Ouch!!!!
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Post by: 24KC on December 08, 2013, 05:13:26 PM: I think even the Russian judge scores that a 6.0
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on December 10, 2013, 10:23:38 AM: Quote from: 24KC on December 08, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
I think even the Russian judge scores that a 6.0

Kind of funny story, probably not to the owner though.
I met the owner (and I'm sorry I cannot remember his name, he was from near Pittsburgh PA) three days before this happened. My cousin Jim King who worked for Kneisels got me lined up with him as he did not have a driver that could travel to Syracuse.
He was an ironworker / fabricator and the car was "home" built.
The human mind is so quick that when that happened I was upside down and had not yet landed my first thought was, I hope this guy knows how to weld. The second thing that went through my mind was because it had the old 2" shoulder belts rather than the 3", I hope this doesn't hurt.

The answers where yes he could weld and yes it hurt a little but not as much as you would think.
I felt pretty bad, I just met the guy and now he had a very hurt race car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 13, 2013, 10:57:11 PM: Here's a rear view of the same car at our garage in Montour Falls, NY.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2013, 10:32:20 AM: I took this pic at Syracuse at the 1972 Labor Day NYS Fair Race. I think the drivers name was Sheldon.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2013, 10:34:44 AM: I believe Bobby Botcher was driving the #666 in this pic from the 72 Fair Race that I snapped.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2013, 10:37:18 AM: Wayne Ruetimann in the #3 at the NYS Fair race 1972. These guys were all there is hopefully get dialed in the the very first Super-Dirt the Schaefer 100 that would be coming up in a few weeks.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 27, 2013, 07:34:13 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2013, 10:32:20 AM
I took this pic at Syracuse at the 1972 Labor Day NYS Fair Race. I think the drivers name was Sheldon.
Yep. Bill Sheldon. Believe he ran Merritville, and Ransomville. Great pics btw.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2013, 08:18:20 PM: By 1974 I had graduated to "The Pits". Here's a pic I snapped of Bobby Botcher in the #666 Pinto at Super Dirt. I prefer the coupe myself. I believe this is the same car that got it's roof sheered off a few years later with Wayne Reutimann driving.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2013, 08:22:34 PM: Buzzie Ruetimann coming into the pits with a front end problem. I think this is 1974. I shot this pic as well as all the others on my little box camera which took 110 film.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2013, 02:56:52 PM: My Cousin, Jim King's coach bodied Modified #72 on the flat bed ready to go to the track. This car ran asphalt briefly then it switched to dirt. Car was destroyed in a flip at Waterloo Fair Speedway, AKA Maple Grove.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2013, 02:59:48 PM: Either Lee Osborn or Dutch Hoag on pit road at Langhorne National Open in probably 68. I believe my Dad probably snapped this one.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2013, 03:04:41 PM: Maybe someone can help me on this one. It's an L.O. Duncan photo from Chemung Speedrome Pavement probably Circa 1970. I wrote Peterson on the back but I don't recall this car or the drivers name. Please chime in....not even sure what year or Model the car is but it looks like a Chevy.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 29, 2013, 03:06:23 PM: Here's another L.O. Duncan photo that I'm not sure of the driver. Definitely Chemung Speedrome during the pavement era.
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Post by: greyhairedracer on December 30, 2013, 04:59:55 PM: Dale----the 60 is Lossie Peterson. He was from Waverly or Lockwood, NY I believe. As far as the 55 I cannot recall Bill's last name either but I do remember him being from the Tioga, PA area.
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Post by: leftyturner on December 31, 2013, 10:09:18 AM: That same picture of the #55 car is on the Historic Chemung Speedrome facebook page, and they have Bill Dixon listed as the driver.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 02, 2014, 01:30:30 PM: Here's something I knew I had but didn't find it until today. This is an aerial photo of Addison Hill Speedway that the Addison Hill Racing Assoc. sent out as a postcard to invite racers to their meeting. If you look closely there's two cars racing around the track. The one on the backstraight blends in so it's hard to see. No idea on photo credit except that it was obviously commisioned by AHRA.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 06, 2014, 09:56:57 PM: Here's another view of my Cousin, Jim King's, Coach bodied Modified. Raced at Fulton on pavement and a few times at Waterloo on the dirt before being destroyed in a flip at Waterloo with Jim driving. The #72 was painted on by tracing around a stencil and then painting inside the lines. My sister had her highschool Art teacher create the stencil and if you look at any of my dad's cars from around 1965 on they are all either #72 or #27 in the same style by using that stencil. I think I still have it somewhere since I'm an incurable racing memrobillia pack rat. Pic by me or possibly my Brother.
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 09, 2014, 12:01:37 PM: Lee OSborne in the #18 at langhorne in '68. It had the flourescent name on the top in a Chevy bowtie-line graphic.
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Post by: blackjackracing on January 21, 2014, 10:31:30 AM: I was scrolling through the interweb and found this...thought it was interesting.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 22, 2014, 08:28:04 PM: Here's a blurry one I shot at the 72 NYS fair race. My brother in the 2x leads #80 and another car. I think it's Harold Montania in the #80. Not sure bout the other car. pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 24, 2014, 05:58:05 PM: Here was the sad end to my Cousin Jim King's modified that I had previously posted. The yellow #72 Coach was "atomized" at Waterloo as the pic in the Gator Racing news described it.
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Post by: lynchmobb on January 28, 2014, 09:55:10 PM: claychamp, this is the only photo I have of Jim King - from Fulton.
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on January 29, 2014, 01:46:26 AM: Question... is that the radiator mounted sideways in the door??
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 29, 2014, 12:58:14 PM: Quote from: Half Fast Bob on January 29, 2014, 01:46:26 AM
Question... is that the radiator mounted sideways in the door??

I'm not sure but there might have been an oil cooler there, it wasn't the radiator.

And that is not Jim King, the guy standing on the flat bed is Melvin Acker. He was a crewman on the car.

And I believe that is our uncle Howard Ayres driving the truck.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 29, 2014, 10:14:58 PM: Melvin Acker was truly a character! The main thing I remember about him was his theory that if you were a good driver you should be able to take corners at double the speed that's posted on the warning speed sign. It's a valid theory in New York State and usually fairly easy to do but some of the postings in PA will definitely be white knuckle turns!!!! I'm pretty sure the radiator was in the normal place in this car. I believe the grate was to let heat out and give access to work on the engine since the body placement on this car put the engine half under the roof and hard to get to. Here's a pic of my cousin, Jim King riding my bike at the very first Super DIRT the 72 Schaefer 100 at the NYS Fairgrounds. I had developed the ablity to ride a continuous wheelie on this bike and Jim was trying his hand at it.
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 01, 2014, 10:33:55 AM: Found a few photos on the old interweb that I thought you all might enjoy...
1) Jim Hurtubise circa 1966 in a Novi in Az.
2) Bryan Osgood and Dutch Hoag
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Post by: herm on February 02, 2014, 01:28:47 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on February 01, 2014, 10:33:55 AM
Found a few photos on the old interweb that I thought you all might enjoy...
1) Jim Hurtubise circa 1966 in a Novi in Az.
2) Bryan Osgood and Dutch Hoag
Do you have any more info on the picture with Jim in the Novi. I cant find anything on the Novi with a tail section like that. Also I believe the last time Jim was in a Novi was at Atlanta in 1965. Only Greg Weld dove a Novi in 1966 and it did not look like that. A test run at Phoenix might have been possible, however the cars never raced there.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 09, 2014, 09:51:38 AM: Pic of "HERK" at Sacramento Champ Car race. Maybe 1959 if I'm thinking right. I believe this was the first 1 mile Champ Car race he won.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 09, 2014, 09:59:00 AM: I've posted before but here's where I met one of my hero's. Jim H at the 1970 National Open at Langhorne. I'm the little boy, Family friend Ruth Henry beside me and my Mom on the end. Jim was driving the Gil Bruss #2 coupe which several years later Gary Iulg raced with on the dirt at Weedsport. He showed me his burnt up hand that he could jam a beer into. He had the doctors form his hand to fit the steering wheel as they told him he would have very little mobility with the fingers if he lived and recovered which of course he did.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 09, 2014, 10:05:00 AM: Here's me with the Car. These pics snapped by my Dad, Norm Welty. It was great growing up in a family that loved racing so much that I got to see some of the greats of the day race their hearts out in epic battles that had as much to do with their driving ability as their mechanics ingenuisness at building a better mousetrap.
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Post by: blackjackracing on February 09, 2014, 12:51:54 PM: Sorry Herm...can't tell you any more then that. I found the photo of Herk on Facebook and the info that I put down was with the photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 22, 2014, 10:50:09 PM: In honor of the Daytona 500 here's a picture I snapped at the 79 race. Janet Guthrie, not quite the looker that Danica is but the first modern era female racer to make a mark in the big leagues both at Indy and in Stock Cars.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on February 23, 2014, 11:28:43 AM: "not quite the looker...", indeed! Putting on my politically incorrect face today, and just sayin', that woman was some homely!
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Post by: 112SMW on February 24, 2014, 10:51:20 AM: She was butt fugly.
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Post by: leadfoot4 on February 24, 2014, 06:30:05 PM: Quote from: Shamrock 3x on February 23, 2014, 11:28:43 AM
"not quite the looker...", indeed! Putting on my politically incorrect face today, and just sayin', that woman was some homely!

True, but she WAS a real racer!
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Post by: 707 on March 03, 2014, 12:56:45 PM: Does anyone know who owned the orange and white 451 that Sammy Reaks drove at Waterloo? I have also seen pictures of 451 cars driven by Sammy on asphalt painted similar to the Dutt Yanni colors. Were they owned by the same people?
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Post by: oldtimeracer on March 04, 2014, 07:49:36 AM: Zollo Bros owned the 451 I believe..think they had a construction company
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Post by: blackjackracing on March 09, 2014, 07:58:32 PM: I found this while trolling through face book...thought it was an interesting pic. Don Diffendorf in a line-up @ Fulton in 1968. (JH photo)
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Post by: no74falcon on March 09, 2014, 08:17:48 PM: I see the Turner Bros. car, Richie, and possibly Maynard 2 cars behind Richie.
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Post by: lynchmobb on March 10, 2014, 11:56:18 AM: Looks like Jerry Hayes, Sam Reakes & maybe Ron Wallace also
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Post by: gp8787 on March 16, 2014, 08:57:43 PM: not jerry hayes i dont think.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 23, 2014, 01:51:33 PM: Need some help with this one. I believe I snapped this at Syracuse in 1975. This cutdown is unique....more like a sixties BUG or Sprinter. The truck behind it looks like it says, Sharon so I'm assuming this car was from the western Pa or Eastern Ohio area near Sharon Ohio and Speedway 7. Does anyone know the driver or history of this car? Pic by Me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on March 23, 2014, 01:53:43 PM: sorry forgot to attach the pic...here it is.
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Post by: Bigdog13 on March 23, 2014, 10:22:10 PM: Sure does look like Jerry Hayes in the #87 inside of the #18.
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Post by: oldtimeracer on March 24, 2014, 08:01:59 AM: Tommy Leeson #97 ?
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Post by: Tangletongue on March 24, 2014, 02:35:02 PM: Quote from: herm on February 02, 2014, 01:28:47 PM
Quote from: blackjackracing on February 01, 2014, 10:33:55 AM
Found a few photos on the old interweb that I thought you all might enjoy...
1) Jim Hurtubise circa 1966 in a Novi in Az.
2) Bryan Osgood and Dutch Hoag
Do you have any more info on the picture with Jim in the Novi. I cant find anything on the Novi with a tail section like that. Also I believe the last time Jim was in a Novi was at Atlanta in 1965. Only Greg Weld dove a Novi in 1966 and it did not look like that. A test run at Phoenix might have been possible, however the cars never raced there.
Herm, the tail on that Hurtubise roadster looks like a Mallard, but I don't recall one in those colors, and that configuration was built in 1967 I believe. Jim went to Phoenix twice in 1966, both times in a Gerhardt Offy.
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Post by: gp8787 on March 28, 2014, 01:55:03 PM: I stand corrected/I did not see the 87 on the inside of the 18 . you are correct that is jerry.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 09, 2014, 10:37:41 PM: Richie Evans pits during the Modified race at Daytona. I took the pick.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 09, 2014, 10:39:13 PM: Jerry cook pits during practice for the Daytona Modified race. pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 09, 2014, 10:40:33 PM: #50 spins during the Modified race at Daytona. pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 09, 2014, 10:42:02 PM: Evans comes by with the lead. pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 08, 2014, 09:41:39 PM: 1977 at Rollingwheels Raceway. #66 Binner Equipment car with either Darrell Welty or Doug Mattison at the wheel races Frank Heeman in the #33. Pic by Mike Hessling.
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Post by: Chargincharlie on May 10, 2014, 07:21:23 PM: Heat 2 Dubois. Johnson Jr zimmerman
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 26, 2014, 08:30:08 AM: In honor of the Indy 500. Here's a pic from a postcard I have showing A.J. Foyt at the Brickyard. I believe he won his third 500 driving this car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 26, 2014, 08:31:54 AM: here's a pic from another post car I have showing Grahm Hill in one of the STP Turbine cars at Indy.
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Post by: Chargincharlie on May 31, 2014, 08:58:41 PM: Mini feature Shepard Scliff Stephens Brumstead Katarski
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 09, 2014, 10:33:37 PM: The family piled in the back as we get ready to flat tow the #27 "BUG" to Chemung Speedrome from Montour Falls. Stormin' Norman Welty at the wheel of a six cylinder Rambler towing a Bug powered by a six cylinder Rambler engine with a limited production aluminum head and a pair of down draft weber carburators.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 09, 2014, 10:39:16 PM: Brother Darrell Welty in the 98jr races Brian Stevens at Weedsport circa 1976 in this Don Romeo photo.
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Post by: Chargincharlie on June 13, 2014, 09:37:33 PM: Spts feature Ashcroft Bliss Vanpelt
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 22, 2014, 10:31:44 PM: My brothers car just after unloading in the pits at Syracuse circa 1975.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 22, 2014, 10:33:09 PM: I believe the #95 is Kenny Meahl. notice the Atlas Bucron right front on our Gremlin used as a loading tire.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 07, 2014, 10:39:58 PM: My Dad, Norm Welty, with an STP win at Dundee in the Novice division. The whole family was decked out in those STP red windbreakers by seasons end! circa 1968.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 07, 2014, 10:40:58 PM: On second look that 's Chemung Speedrome.
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Post by: justmark on July 13, 2014, 08:45:13 AM: 9/2/67 was typed at the top of the previous photo.
That was Meahl's last "regular" ride in the #95 coach from 1975 before he made a brief return at Genesee (now Raceway 5) in the '80s with a coupe.
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Post by: sedanfan on August 20, 2014, 07:25:47 PM: to answer the questions of the 451 that Sam Reakes drove yes there is a connection toDutt Yanni ,Ray Edwards and Jerry Zollo owned the car Zollo construction was a sponsor along with others , but the car was designed by Ray and constructed and maintained by Ray and his crew at Ray's shop in Cicero NY . Ray crewed Dutt"s car and carried on with the number
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Post by: sedanfan on August 21, 2014, 09:33:34 PM: why cant i find any pictures of weedsport before dirt , or even after dirt they are extremely hard to find , i grew up going to weedsport on sunday nights watching of course Sam Reaks, We willy, fireball Roberts, Jack Murphy, Frank Podolack and more
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Post by: justmark on August 23, 2014, 12:17:02 AM: Do you mean before Weedsport became a DIRT-sanctioned track?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 23, 2014, 10:40:59 AM: Leo Clary's car on pit lane at Trenton in I believe 1973. I think this was the only Trenton race I went to. Has to be after the race as I was just a kid when I snapped this with my old box camera.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 23, 2014, 10:43:25 AM: Another one I snapped at Trenton in 73. unsure who the Mustang car belongs to but a good nostalgic look at the very old massive fairgrounds grandstand!
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Post by: justmark on August 23, 2014, 12:50:17 PM: Leo Cleary was in the 1972 Trenton R.o.C. with his car renumbered as #94 and finished 15th. He wasn't in the '73 or '74 events. I'm not sure about the #7 Mustang. The only Mustang in the '72 field was Chip Cregar #31. Charlie Kremer, Jr. #77 in the '73 event was the only Mustang.
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Post by: sedanfan on August 23, 2014, 07:44:01 PM: yes before and even after weedsport became a dirt sactioned track ,Donnely bought it and and ran it for a long time before he started dirt, I'm looking for very early 1960's thru late 1970's
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Post by: Fran on August 23, 2014, 10:24:16 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 27, 2013, 10:32:20 AM
I took this pic at Syracuse at the 1972 Labor Day NYS Fair Race. I think the drivers name was Sheldon.

Yup!! Ft Erie Ont. Billy Sheldon
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Post by: Claychamp123 on August 31, 2014, 10:39:56 PM: pic I took of Treichler in what I believe was the 71 or 72 NYS labor day race...what like 42 years ago.....seems like yesterday!!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2014, 06:04:03 PM: Another one I snapped on Labor day at the NYS fair 42 years ago today! Rudolf, brightbill and Cook come down the homestretch!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 01, 2014, 11:36:59 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on August 31, 2014, 10:39:56 PM
pic I took of Treichler in what I believe was the 71 or 72 NYS labor day race...what like 42 years ago.....seems like yesterday!!!!
I'm going to say 1972. Merv drove a coach in '71.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 01, 2014, 11:47:52 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on September 01, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
Another one I snapped on Labor day at the NYS fair 42 years ago today! Rudolf, brightbill and Cook come down the homestretch!
Brightbill won the feature. Neither Rudolph or Cook qualified.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 03, 2014, 10:11:41 PM: Buzzie !!! coming into the pits at Syracuse with front end trouble. I think this was 1974 and it may be the fair race rather than the SCHAEFER race. I think he won the first one in 72 and again in 73 but not this year. pic by me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 03, 2014, 10:17:47 PM: another Buzzie pic, this one from 1977 at Syracuse....still running the coupe!
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Post by: sedanfan on September 10, 2014, 10:16:08 PM: i haven't see it any where so i thought i would metion it , Jimmy Winks passed last winter , he was living in Florida ,
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 10, 2014, 10:27:58 PM: Quote from: sedanfan on August 21, 2014, 09:33:34 PM
why cant i find any pictures of weedsport before dirt , or even after dirt they are extremely hard to find , i grew up going to weedsport on sunday nights watching of course Sam Reaks, We willy, fireball Roberts, Jack Murphy, Frank Podolack and more

I have a ton of old programs. As far as pics, they're out there, but hard to find.

These are from Lynchmob
http://www.kluthmotorsports.com/photo%20website/weedsport_71.htm (http://www.kluthmotorsports.com/photo%20website/weedsport_71.htm)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on September 10, 2014, 10:44:36 PM: Quote from: sedanfan on September 10, 2014, 10:16:08 PM
i haven't see it any where so i thought i would metion it , Jimmy Winks passed last winter , he was living in Florida ,
It was posted in the racing discussion section a while back. It's sad. I grew up watching him at Weedsport and Oswego in the 70's

Here's some Weedsport stuff from some of my programs, circa 1971 - 72
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Post by: sedanfan on September 12, 2014, 10:57:02 PM: yes jimmy was a hard charger i lived near him good guy we helped each other a lot along with the other guys who lived close in Cicero
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 21, 2014, 10:11:30 PM: Not sure who the #21 was....I snapped this pic in 1971 at the Langhorne National open. Wish I could go back to the days when the driver was about 60% of the equation rather than about 20%!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 21, 2014, 10:15:34 PM: My buddy Billy Schroth in the Bauer #75 at Middletown. He won a few URC races in this ride and came in 2nd in the standings. If you ever get a chance to talk to Bill about the old days of racing ...DO IT !!! He has a good memory and about a gazillion stories about when "men were Men and smelled like horses"!!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 22, 2014, 10:57:24 PM: Gator photo of Nolan Swift and crew after winning the State Fair race in 1958.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on September 28, 2014, 09:05:53 PM: At the 1972 Syracuse race. Darrell Welty (in afro ) make's plans with his Dad, Norm Welty before taking to the Moody Mile in the ex- Jim Caroll, Graeme Bolia coupe with the honkin 396 Big Block. They look like they're looking at a map so maybe they were planning their escape?! Pic by me.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 06, 2014, 12:00:45 PM: I'm looking for info and/or pics of this car for someone on facebook. This is the history he has.

"Here's 2 photos of my modified stock car, a '36 Chevy coach body, which was built in Tonawanda (Buffalo) in the winter 1966-67. The front and side crash bars are new, rear may be original. Also new is the sheet metal on the sides of the car. The hood is original but modified a little. The "fenders" over the rear wheels are new. Car originally ran as #65 and #95 at Syracuse Fairgrounds, Lancaster, Waterloo and probably other tracks as well. Drivers were Bill Torrisi and Ken Meahl and others and the car ran both asphalt and dirt over the years."

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Post by: Beenthere on October 07, 2014, 04:14:37 PM: A friend of mine just posted this on another site. Thought some of you might be interested.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205008173789258&set=gm.726933477386640&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205008173789258&set=gm.726933477386640&type=1&theater)
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on October 07, 2014, 05:21:04 PM: BigFeet,

A friend of mine, Allan Isselhard, has a car that is not done, but looks quite a bit like the one in your pics (same car?). If it's not him you're looking to get information for, send me an email (wfitzsimmons@yaho.com) and I'll hook you two up.

Bill
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Post by: Rocket88 on October 07, 2014, 11:45:13 PM: There is a Lancaster facebook page that has pics of this car as the #65 and as the #89.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 08, 2014, 12:32:41 AM: Quote from: Shamrock 3x on October 07, 2014, 05:21:04 PM
BigFeet,

A friend of mine, Allan Isselhard, has a car that is not done, but looks quite a bit like the one in your pics (same car?). If it's not him you're looking to get information for, send me an email (wfitzsimmons@yaho.com) and I'll hook you two up.

Bill
I don't know the person. He posted on facebook looking for help. The car looked familiar, but I couldn't place it.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 09, 2014, 09:59:34 PM: That vintage coach is definitely the body from the Kenny Meahl driven car and probably the whole car. I distinctly remember the little holes drilled in the rear panel. Also all the little spots around the windows that have been fixed on the body are the places where the button snaps were. The car had individual window tarps that snapped over the window openings so that rain wouldn't get in when traveling to and from the track. I recall the car being a full rear leaf spring car so that matches. I'm pretty sure the front bumper is incorrect to what the car had back in the day but I'd say it is the chassis and that is the car that's in my post a few posts back next to our 2x...I saw that car race a number of times and looked it over pretty well as it was a very nice and cleanly built piece.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 10, 2014, 02:01:51 AM: Thanks Dale. I forwarded the comment and pic.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 12, 2014, 08:18:53 PM: You wouldn't know what track this is?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 26, 2014, 09:04:09 AM: It looks a little like Weedsport but the car is far enough around the turn that I think the wall would be starting so it may be one of the western NY tracks. Another comment on that car. If they want to restore it back close to what it was when it raced, the car had interior tin work from the window door sill that totally sealed the cockpit off. You couldn't see the door bars on the inside of the car and if I remember right they were covered on the underneath as well so that if you looked up through the wheel well or back through where the headers ran you couldn't see the door bars there either so they were sandwiched in sheet metal.....very clean. Back in the day I wondered if there wasn't just a diagonal there to save weight because you couldn't see them and the written rule at the time was "four door bars". But seeing the modern pics it's obvious it had the bars.
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Post by: rick18 on October 26, 2014, 06:51:16 PM: it looks like the back straightway Ransomville speedway
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 27, 2014, 01:09:00 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on October 26, 2014, 09:04:09 AM
It looks a little like Weedsport but the car is far enough around the turn that I think the wall would be starting so it may be one of the western NY tracks. Another comment on that car. If they want to restore it back close to what it was when it raced, the car had interior tin work from the window door sill that totally sealed the cockpit off. You couldn't see the door bars on the inside of the car and if I remember right they were covered on the underneath as well so that if you looked up through the wheel well or back through where the headers ran you couldn't see the door bars there either so they were sandwiched in sheet metal.....very clean. Back in the day I wondered if there wasn't just a diagonal there to save weight because you couldn't see them and the written rule at the time was "four door bars". But seeing the modern pics it's obvious it had the bars.
Thanks. I passed on the info. I hope to get out there and see the progress.
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Post by: Jay Mooney on October 29, 2014, 08:25:44 AM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on October 12, 2014, 08:18:53 PM
You wouldn't know what track this is?
It's Ransomville. I remember this photo being part of a large collection for sale on eBay years ago. It's from a Schaefer Qualifier there - 1975?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on October 31, 2014, 09:05:32 PM: Quote from: Jay Mooney on October 29, 2014, 08:25:44 AM
Quote from: BigFeet13 on October 12, 2014, 08:18:53 PM
You wouldn't know what track this is?
It's Ransomville. I remember this photo being part of a large collection for sale on eBay years ago. It's from a Schaefer Qualifier there - 1975?
Thanks!!!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 08, 2014, 08:53:23 PM: Here's a pic I snapped on the way in to Super Dirt (schaefer100) circa 1974 or 75. Does anyone recognize this car on a ramp truck?
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Post by: Claychamp123 on November 08, 2014, 10:53:00 PM: Here's another from what I believe was 1975 outside our motel near Syracuse for the Schaefer 100. I believe this is C.D. Coville just before his success exploded and he became a regular winner. The other car looks like a Schwinning chassis and is colored like Tommy Corellis' car at the time but it doesn't look quite right so if anyone can ID it have at it.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 22, 2014, 12:18:50 AM: Here's a pic from 1977 at Rolling Wheels Raceway that my Buddy and Crewman Mike Hessling snapped. I believe this would be the Schaefer Qualifier for the big race at Syracuse since there's a number of invaders on this series of pics. Looks like the heat race with my Brother, Darrell Welty in the John Fisher owned #98jr. He wom a race at RWR in that car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 22, 2014, 12:22:42 AM: Another Mike Hessling photo .... Toby Tobias and Big Tom Hager at Syracuse Qualifier at RWR 1977
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Post by: Claychamp123 on December 22, 2014, 12:25:50 AM: Here's one Mr Hessling clicked at Canadaguia in 1977....does anyone know who ran this cool Javelin in the Latemodel class?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 22, 2014, 01:03:49 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on November 08, 2014, 08:53:23 PM
Here's a pic I snapped on the way in to Super Dirt (schaefer100) circa 1974 or 75. Does anyone recognize this car on a ramp truck?
Almost looks like the back of Kenny Moore's car.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on December 22, 2014, 01:05:27 AM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on December 22, 2014, 12:18:50 AM
Here's a pic from 1977 at Rolling Wheels Raceway that my Buddy and Crewman Mike Hessling snapped. I believe this would be the Schaefer Qualifier for the big race at Syracuse since there's a number of invaders on this series of pics. Looks like the heat race with my Brother, Darrell Welty in the John Fisher owned #98jr. He wom a race at RWR in that car.
His win was Aug 5, 1977.
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Post by: sedanfan on December 24, 2014, 11:28:52 PM: where was John fisher jr from ?
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Post by: YetAnotherDW on January 01, 2015, 08:39:35 AM: Le Roy New York
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Post by: Half Fast Bob on January 03, 2015, 03:59:37 PM: The AMC Javelin is Karson Poorman from Waterloo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 01, 2015, 10:57:55 AM: A lot of fans love Rip Ripley's recreation of one of my favorite cars, Geoff Bodine's #99 Valiant. Here's a cool 8X10 card that Langhorne Speedway included in their program on raceday at the National Open after Geoff had set a new record in qualifying. I bet there aren't a lot of these floating around!
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 02, 2015, 10:05:10 PM: Bodines car on the grid at the Langhorne national open....pic by me.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on February 03, 2015, 01:00:20 AM: My favorite modified of all time.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 07, 2015, 10:15:19 PM: Evans and Bodine come down for the start in the national open in 71 at Langhorne. Pic by 12 year old me.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 07, 2015, 10:19:17 PM: Here's where Geoff ended up....I the wall right in front of me due to a broken rear suspension. I believe this was when he had independent rear suspension which was soon outlawed. Pic by me.
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Post by: justmark on February 08, 2015, 05:50:48 AM: I'm a little late to the party.... LOL
Ken Meahl's #95 coach Modified was indeed photographed at the 1975 Ransomville Schaefer Qualifier event by Jeff Scott (10/12/14 post on here).
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 08, 2015, 10:23:20 PM: Cars lined up for the 71 National open. Lazzaro and eventual winner #58 Merv Treichler. Merv won Langhorne, Daytona and Watkins Glen road races and the Big Dirt race later known as Super dirt.....not too shabby! pic by me.
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Post by: justmark on February 09, 2015, 06:43:11 AM: Merv Treichler won the 1970 Langhorne event, and that is definitely Merv's 1971 ride. The above photo was of the first two rows (Geoff Bodine #99, Richie Evans #61, Merv #58 and Lou #4). Merv's cousin Roger Treichler won in his #74 coach in the final event ever run in Langhorne's history in 1971 after starting 6th.
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Post by: Fran on February 12, 2015, 12:27:57 PM: Quote from: blackjackracing on October 05, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
This one is from 1981...It's a gimme on the top...but I left the name on the bottom picture as i couldn't make it out...maybe someone else will have better luck...photo credits look to be Lukowski and Judge?

Thats the Late RON DUPLANTIS. He bought Humberstone Intl Speedway and ran the track from 88 and 89 sold the track to the Wagners and hence GASPORT SPEEDWAY until sold in 2004
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 15, 2015, 10:29:20 PM: Sorry about that....I always seem to get those two years mixed up as I was just a kid and tagged some of my pictures with the wrong year. Here's one I took at Trenton after the open moved over there.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 04, 2015, 12:56:17 PM: Most of these are Bob Hunter photo's
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 04, 2015, 12:57:18 PM: Most of these are Bob Hunter photo's
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 04, 2015, 12:57:35 PM: Most of these are Bob Hunter photo's
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 04, 2015, 12:57:58 PM: Most of these are Bob Hunter photo's
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 05, 2015, 04:22:34 PM: Loved the look of that "Leanin' 11", of Johnny MacArdle. I remember him in the Limited (flat head) division at Canandaigua in 1964. He won a few features that year, as I recall.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:06 PM: .
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 10, 2015, 12:39:51 PM: Dick Emerson
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 10, 2015, 12:40:22 PM: Larry Nye
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Post by: lynchmobb on May 11, 2015, 11:58:33 AM: Nice photos bigfeet! I think the #513 is Fireball Roberts, and the sharp #14 is Milt Johnson (B&M speed shop, father of Danny & Alan).
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 11, 2015, 02:42:47 PM: Double post
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 11, 2015, 02:43:48 PM: Thanks. They are from Mike Ferguson's collection. He had me scan his collection, and told me to go ahead and share. Some of the pics are Bob Hunter photo's. Others he took himself, and a few early Brewerton shots (I actually used some of your pics to verify that's where they were from). There's a bunch. I'll post a few every week. There are some unique shots he took from Langhorne from '70 - '71.

Yes the 513 is "Fireball" Roberts.
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Post by: koupeskoaches on May 13, 2015, 01:37:28 PM: :) :) :) :)

HEY BIG FEET,THANKS FOR THE STROLL DOWN MEMORY LANE. ENJOY THE OLD STUFF, I SPENT LOTS OF TIME IN THE EARLY 60's
ON SUNDAYS AT CANANDAIGUA. GREAT STUFF. THE PHOTO OF THE YELLOW #55 FLAT HEAD FORD, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT WAS EITHER
SONNY BARON,OR BRUCE FLEISHMEN?????? RACING FUMES HAVE AFFECTED MY MEMORY-------------------------

KOUPESKOACHES????
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Post by: lynchmobb on May 13, 2015, 03:15:26 PM: Tom - now that I 'blew up' the #55 photo, that does look like Sonny Barron!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 13, 2015, 10:35:54 PM: .
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 14, 2015, 08:51:06 AM: Sonny in the #55 flathead was not one I'd seen before. First I remember seeing him was in the yellow #28 '58 Ford at Spencer. Any idea what year/track the pic of him in the #55 was from?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 14, 2015, 11:37:00 AM: Most of the Bob Hunter pics were mid 60's. I'll ask Mike when I see him next.
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Post by: koupeskoaches on May 14, 2015, 02:53:05 PM: :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

SHAMROCK-------------

PHOTO OF SONNY BARON IN #55 WAS IN THE EARLY 60's, PROBABLY 62, OR 63 AT CANANDAIGUA "SPEEDLAND."

KOUPESKOACHES
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Post by: herm on May 15, 2015, 07:23:36 PM: Going by my memory ,Sonny ran that car in 1964 at Waterloo.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 15, 2015, 10:43:15 PM: Brewerton. Not sure of the year. Guessing mid to late 50's
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 15, 2015, 10:43:46 PM: .
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 15, 2015, 10:44:12 PM: .
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 16, 2015, 09:14:27 AM: The way the #s are painted on the 55, methinks it's Mike Miller. Can someone confirm? Is the #6 Jack Murphy, before the shamrock?
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 16, 2015, 08:18:52 PM: The 6 is Vince Ferguson (became 68 later). Not sure about the 55.
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 27, 2015, 09:46:01 PM: I had a gentleman come knocking on the door last week and he asked me if I was the Bob Johnson that posts stuff on RaceNY. I told him I was indeed. He said he had been meaning to look me up and that, if I was interested, he had old racing pictures he would like to share. I told him I was very interested in seeing them. That fellows name is Ken Burnside and yesterday he dropped off two boxes of old pictures and programs. I am floored by someof the stuff in this collection. I will be posting regional stuff here and southern tier content on the "Racing in the Southern Tier" thread. This first one is of Johnny McArdell in the "Leanin' Eleven"...There is no photographer info or track info. I'd guess this is at Waterloo. (Ken Burnside collection)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 28, 2015, 11:38:35 AM: Sweet.
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Post by: blackjackracing on May 28, 2015, 08:44:47 PM: Charlie Castle in the #7 late-model at Weedsport. (Ken Burnside collection)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 29, 2015, 01:35:17 AM: Quote from: blackjackracing on May 28, 2015, 08:44:47 PM
Charlie Castle in the #7 late-model at Weedsport. (Ken Burnside collection)
I'm going to guess, 1978. I may have been there. Looks about where we sat.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 29, 2015, 01:41:21 AM: Larry Nye
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 29, 2015, 01:44:42 AM: Jim McArdell, I believe.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 29, 2015, 01:45:11 AM: Walt Ellison
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Post by: herm on May 31, 2015, 12:00:01 PM: I can still remember the 86 being destroyed on the back straight at Waterloo. One of many bad ones I can still recall from that track back in the flathead days.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on May 31, 2015, 08:38:24 PM: Here's a couple from Waterloo.
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Post by: herm on June 02, 2015, 08:13:16 PM: After the wreck pictured above and another one at the same location on the front straight that took out a large section of the fence, when the line up was announced it was always " lets go fly with Larry Nye". The car was back in action the next week after the wreck in the picture.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 05, 2015, 01:23:35 PM: A few more.
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 05, 2015, 10:53:08 PM: The Waterloo photos are outstanding. I look forward to seeing more.... Another photo from the Ken Burnside collection- Gary Lulg with the #56 (no photog info)
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 10, 2015, 01:05:55 PM: I believe these are Bob Hunter pics (except maybe the Joe Orso pic). Mike Ferguson collection.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 14, 2015, 10:41:44 PM: Who drove the three aces?....always liked the cars with unusual numbers!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 14, 2015, 11:29:01 PM: Quote from: Claychamp123 on June 14, 2015, 10:41:44 PM
Who drove the three aces?....always liked the cars with unusual numbers!
Roger Dunsmore originally drove it. The car was sold to Whitey Brazak, and became the #111 that Sammy Reakes drove. I believe it ended up being Johnny Podolak's first car.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 15, 2015, 09:17:53 PM: Just curious when Roger Dunsmore drove the three aces, didn't Carl Rice who shot photos and lived in Fulton own the car? Also I remember siting in the grandstands at Shangri-La back in 1962 when Dunsmore flipped the Mel Dodge Edsel powered #96 violently off turn two totally destroying the car. That wreck ranks in the top ten of worst wrecks I ever saw at that track in over forty years.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 15, 2015, 09:48:28 PM: Carl Rice did own the car. I'm not sure what years Roger drove it (it was a bit before my time). Reakes started driving it, as the #111 in the mid 60's.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 15, 2015, 09:50:28 PM: Just found this.

http://www.midstateantiquestockcarclub.com/Reakes_111.html (http://www.midstateantiquestockcarclub.com/Reakes_111.html)
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Post by: trivia99 on June 16, 2015, 12:45:02 AM: This first time I saw #111 was at a 100 lapper at Five Mile Point on Memorial Day in 1965. Sammy was a very busy boy back in the mid to late sixties. Not only did he run #111's for Whitey he also dabbled in pavement racing with a Falcon bodied car which I saw him race at both Shangri-La and Fulton. There was also a brown and white coupe with a small block Chevy which I saw him with at Reading (just starting to get my travel legs under me). From what I'm hearing Waterloo was quite a place in it's heyday. I didn't see a race there until a July 4th 100 lapper in 1968 for the full blown Modifieds. Anyway thanks for heads up on the Reakes/Brazak car.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 16, 2015, 11:40:56 AM: I didn't start going to races until the late 60's. And then I was only like 3 years old. I remember Sammy towards the end of his career, drive Jim Sincerbeaux's pinto, the year before Danny Johnson took it over. My Dad certainly remembers him from back in the day at Waterloo and occasionally Brewerton.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 16, 2015, 02:58:14 PM: I think Sincebaugh (or however you spell it) was one of the more forgotten owners of that era. Before Sammy driving the Pinto there was a great looking blue and white #0 coupe and a #15 coupe. I distinctly remember both John McArdell and Jimmy Winks in the car and maybe even John Podolak. It was always fast and always good looking. Also McArdell proved he could drive when he was away from Waterloo and the Tantello leanin' 11. I always felt he was under rated as a driver.
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Post by: 112SMW on June 16, 2015, 05:56:56 PM: Chuck Ciprich drove the #0 in 1976.It was a blue coupe.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 17, 2015, 12:53:16 AM: Quote from: 112SMW on June 16, 2015, 05:56:56 PM
Chuck Ciprich drove the #0 in 1976.It was a blue coupe.
Yep. Chuck flipped it at Weedsport towards the end of '76. Sincerbeaux put the pinto together for '77 and Chuck drove it part of the year. Sammy Reakes drove it in '77 and '78. The car was renumbered 0jr for '79, and Danny Johnson drove it.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 17, 2015, 01:15:02 AM: Quote from: trivia99 on June 16, 2015, 02:58:14 PM
I think Sincebaugh (or however you spell it) was one of the more forgotten owners of that era. Before Sammy driving the Pinto there was a great looking blue and white #0 coupe and a #15 coupe. I distinctly remember both John McArdell and Jimmy Winks in the car and maybe even John Podolak. It was always fast and always good looking. Also McArdell proved he could drive when he was away from Waterloo and the Tantello leanin' 11. I always felt he was under rated as a driver.
The reason it was numbered 15 is that Lloyd Holt originally drove it. Actually Sincerbeaux had a valiant #15 that Lloyd drove (bought by Jim Sperry and driven by Dick Wall). The Johnny McArdell actually won the track championship at Rolling Wheels in the #0, in '75. Chuck took over in '76. Most of the cars were Bushy chassis'.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 17, 2015, 12:23:20 PM: To be honest I had completely forgotten about the Valiant that Lloyd Holt drove. Holt was one of the better drivers of that era. His bronze coupe and coach were both eye catchers and I remember he also drove for a guy named Bob Van Fleet out of Clarks Summit, Pa. at both Five Mile Point and the now defunct Twin Valley. Now that I think about it I think he also drove for a person named Jim King down this way also. I'm not sure anybody on dirt would have ever had a Valiant bodied Modified had it not been for the Bodine car on asphalt. Not say that it wouldn't have happened but I think Geoff's car was a definite trend setter. Of all the Valiant bodied Modifieds I ever saw I honestly think the Les Alberti #473 was the sharpest. Not saying that the rest of them weren't but the Alberti car definitely stood out. I thought that no body style could ever replace the beloved coupes and coaches but the creativity of the builders and the fabrication guys back then make some very fine looking race cars out of the newer tin.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 17, 2015, 02:50:28 PM: I had a pic of the valiant somewhere, but I can't find it. I do have it on a Weedsport program after Sperry bought it.

I saw Geoff's car for the first time in the early '70s, and it was instantly my favorite modified, and still my all time favorite. It helped that my dad had a '61 valiant at the time.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 17, 2015, 05:09:51 PM: It's interesting to note that the compact car bodies probably date back into the early sixties when guys used the 1953 Studebaker body. Ever the innovator Dave Kneisel ran a 1951 Oldsmobile body at Five Mile Point in 1958 to take advantage of a quirky rule book which allowed overhead V8 motors if you ran a full size body of the same make. Kneisel showed up a couple of years later with a Crosley bodied creation with a full house Ford Flathead motor followed closely by a small block Chevy when the rules allowed it. That was followed closely by Stan Lupka's Henry J and Don Beagell Bantam. I still think the Kneisel Pacer of the late seventies was the ultimate "pony car" dirt body.
Falcons and Corvairs were also "hot" in the sixties but probably the most unusual was the Bobby Merz Rambler. Bodine's Valiant was definitely ahead of the Judkins Pinto which was said to have started the small car body revolution. I found a picture of the Alberti car taken at Rolling Wheels in the earl seventies. I think it's a Mike Piano photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 17, 2015, 10:51:04 PM: My favorite dirt valiant bodied car was the Kerry Schroeder K46 which also had Mike Grbac behind the wheel a few times.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 18, 2015, 12:15:43 AM: I also like the Schloder Valiant because of the nasty injection tubes coming through where the hood scoop should of been. Made it look kind of menacing. Well as menacing as a Valiant could look, anyway. While we're on the subject, didn't Al Tasnady drive for the early incarnation of this team at Flemington maybe in 1971 or so.
Schloder also holds a distinction of being one of the few drivers in the "modern" era to win a feature both at Five Mile Point (2) and Shangri-La (1).
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Post by: oldtimeracer on June 18, 2015, 10:22:29 AM: Merv Treichler also ran a Studebaker body #24
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Post by: lynchmobb on June 18, 2015, 12:13:10 PM: Dom Kreitz Sr also had a nice Valiant at Reading. I think one of the advantages of the Valiant like Bodine's was that it was a wide flat surface, creating a wing effect with the rake he used on the body. Kenny Brightbill came to Fulton on the dirt once with a Cadillac body that was pretty much pure aerodynamics. Someone also mentioned a Henry J - I remember a car that came to Spencer once in a while (Bob Burton??) - I think it was a regular at Shangri-La.
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Post by: oldtimeracer on June 18, 2015, 01:11:44 PM: there was a Henry J that raced at Weedsport '60-'61...somewhere around there..that cat was the reason I was taken to the stock car races....#93 Harold Fuller
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 18, 2015, 02:23:27 PM: Quote from: oldtimeracer on June 18, 2015, 10:22:29 AM
Merv Treichler also ran a Studebaker body #24
Not a great shot.
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Post by: bakes on June 18, 2015, 02:28:09 PM: Quote from: trivia99 on June 18, 2015, 12:15:43 AM
I also like the Schloder Valiant because of the nasty injection tubes coming through where the hood scoop should of been. Made it look kind of menacing. Well as menacing as a Valiant could look, anyway. While we're on the subject, didn't Al Tasnady drive for the early incarnation of this team at Flemington maybe in 1971 or so.
Schloder also holds a distinction of being one of the few drivers in the "modern" era to win a feature both at Five Mile Point (2) and Shangri-La (1).

A shame about Kerry, the guy had potential as a driver. Gone too soon as well. His first white Pinto was a showpiece.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 18, 2015, 04:18:32 PM: Lynchmobb, Bob Burton did indeed have a Henry J in fact I think he had two of them or maybe the second one was a chopped up version of the first anyway, Burton owned that scrapyard in Homer which you could see from route 81 once you passed exit 12 going north. Burton had red and gold #101 coupes which he raced at Five Mile Point and Midstate then he showed up at Shangri-La with a gold square top coupe named "the wild one" that was followed by the Henry J's. I didn't hear of him after maybe the 1969-1970 season. I also agree on the Kreitz car. You know we called them all Valiants but I wonder how many of them were Dodge Lancers?
BTW. Geoff's uncle Earl kicked people's tails with his bug in the early "bug" days of Chemung and Towanda with a motor (slant 6) that was one of the ones that came stock in a Valiant. I am posting a photo of Burton's first Valiant. This photo came off a trading card which was part of a sixty card set that Fred Smith put out in mid-1967. It also has the Troyer Fairlane and the Shampine Woodshed modifieds. So it's a Fred Smith photo.
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Post by: leadfoot4 on June 18, 2015, 04:45:02 PM: Quote from: BigFeet13 on June 17, 2015, 02:50:28 PM
I had a pic of the valiant somewhere, but I can't find it. I do have it on a Weedsport program after Sperry bought it.

I saw Geoff's car for the first time in the early '70s, and it was instantly my favorite modified, and still my all time favorite. It helped that my dad had a '61 valiant at the time.

Speaking of Valiants, I seem to recall that asphalt star, George Kent, had a Valiant bodied car, early in his career. I also seem to recall that the engine callout, as painted on the hood, was "440 cu.". Maybe a Chrysler engine under the hood, to go along with the MoPar body??

(and I remember the Merz Rambler, too....Yellow, with blue lettering......#33)
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Post by: 112SMW on June 18, 2015, 06:21:18 PM: Yes,the power plant under the #26 was a MOPAR.The bad thing about the Valiant was that the car was totaled at Fulton in a 15 car pileup going into turn 3.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 18, 2015, 06:52:17 PM: I seem to recall that the original Kent modified was an ex Bryan Osgood car which also carried a 440 cu. in. wedge motor under the hood. I was at Fulton that night thinking back that might have been one of George's maiden voyages in that car. I have photos of George in a couple of other Mopar bodied machines in the early seventies. One of which is orange and the other is white. I'm posting a Fred Smith photo of what I think is the car you're talking about. I also found a photo Bryan Osgood in the same car taken at the 1970 All Star League race. The #61 of Wall Stadium driver Bob Finger is in the background. I think the car was sold shortly thereafter to Kent. I'm thinking that massive pileup at Fulton was in late July 1970.
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Post by: 112SMW on June 18, 2015, 08:02:42 PM: If you recall a new driver had to start in the rear for the 1st three weeks.It was George's 3rd week and they liked what he had done for the two weeks before.Big mistake !!!He started up front and Sonny Seamon said ''come on kid,get moving''and gave George a shot in the shorts going into 3 and that's when it all came to end for the Valiant.One of the cars that was on top of the 26 was Sammy Reaks in the #451 coach.
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 19, 2015, 10:14:19 PM: Not a lot of info for this photo. Roger Triechler with the hardware and what appears to be a nifty STP jacket heading his way. Perhaps some one out there can shed some light on the particulars of this picture. No photog info (Ken Burnside collection)
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Post by: trivia99 on June 20, 2015, 01:18:21 AM: Best guess on the above photo and a caption and the people involved. On the far right looks like Jim Vollertson who was involved with Spencer in the sixties, Lancaster in the mid-seventies and then NEARA. Next to him looks like Roger's brother Gordy who was running a Late Model then Roger then an STP rep who's name escapes me but I do remember STP had a large involvement in western New York hence the sponsorship for the big end of the year races at Lancaster in 1967 and 1968 won by Don Diffendorf and Dutch Hoag. Comparing the photo of Treichler's car and the fact that Vollertson is in the photo with a coat and tie on and the nearness of the fence and crowd in the background I would say it's an STP sponsored event from 1968 at Spencer Speedway. I compared the car in the photo with ones in my collection and the ones in the John Bisci book "Lancaster Heroes" and it looks like car pictured from 1968. If it is at Spencer chances are it's probably a Norm Patrick or Bob Hunter of Gater photo as they were I think the track photographers at the track.
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Post by: justmark on June 20, 2015, 10:58:36 AM: I don't know who the guy on the left is, and the next three guys are indeed correct with Roger Treichler and his brother Gordy along with former Lancaster promoter (through 1984) Jim Vollertsen. It was probably a Lancaster STP qualifier event that was held at Spencer. It was taken at the latest by 1968 if that's true as the name for the STP event changed to Amalie Pro for the 1969 season-ending Lancaster event.
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Post by: rsk1139 on June 20, 2015, 12:30:09 PM: I think the car in the picture of Merv Treichler's #24 was a Chevy II. His cousin Roger raced a Studebaker about this same time.
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 21, 2015, 12:52:43 AM: Thanks for the info Trivia99...I had to look and see who you were. Welcome to Raceny my friend. And thanks JustMark...
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Post by: trivia99 on June 21, 2015, 11:09:21 PM: The first time I ever saw a picture of Merv Treichler was in an old Cavalcade of Auto Racing from the early sixties. He was on the outside pole at a big Late Model on the dirt at Olean and for the life of me I can't remember what kind of car it was. I do remember it wasn't one of the "run of the mill" type cars. Maybe that was the Studebaker. Anyway I found another photo in John Biscsi's book on the same page as the #24 of Merv. It was cousin Roger in what looks to be a Chevy II #25 owned by Phil Kerwin. Good stuff.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on June 26, 2015, 12:12:33 PM: 2 are probably Bob Hunter Pics
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 27, 2015, 03:36:13 PM: Photos from the Bob-Cat Sporting News...(All from Dundee) 1) Jim Strauf in the #9 trys to fight off George Robbins but lost out during the late model main.
2) Tom Smalley in the #00 gets three big wins (two sportsman and one late model) all in the same night. 3) Ted Newland takes it to the high side to win the mini-stock main. (Ken Burnside collection)
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Post by: blackjackracing on June 27, 2015, 03:40:08 PM: A few more from the Bob-Cat Sporting news... (all from Dundee) 1) Tom Smalley (#00) slips by Chuck Kennison (9x) on the inside to beat him out of a late model heat win. By the way... Smalley is in a sportsman. 2) The sportsman driver of car #9 removes a fender of the 12x of Gene Hoose. (Ken Burnside collection)
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Post by: trivia99 on June 29, 2015, 11:52:30 PM: While in the process of trying to catalogue photos I came across this. Back when Shangri-La started it's Street Stock class (I think they were last of the upstate tracks to do this) they had to build the class. One of the first entrants was this unusual piece co-driven by Ron Messemer (pictured) and Gary Allen. I think the year was 1974 and it was a Fred Smith photo. Both these gentlemen are still alive and living in area. Love these oddball cars that we grew up with.
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Post by: trivia99 on June 30, 2015, 12:15:34 AM: Just want to re do the last post. I cropped it down so far you couldn't see the car in the background. It was one of the iconic cars of the early SS era, the "Plum Crazy" #31 Ford of Rochester's Dick Nolte. Ranks right with Don Dippel's Cyclone as one of the best in the early days. Better picture this time. Still trying to figure out how to resize to get under the limit.
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Post by: leadfoot4 on July 02, 2015, 07:13:55 AM: Quote from: trivia99 on June 30, 2015, 12:15:34 AM
..... Ranks right with Don Dippel's Cyclone as one of the best in the early days.

One of my old "racing buddies", who now lives in Florida, e-mailed me a few racing shots, this past winter, and speaking of Don Dippel, it appeared that Don wound up with Maynard Troyer's second NASCAR Cyclone. Although our information is pretty sketchy, we think that Don raced it at Trenton, at least once....
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Post by: justmark on July 02, 2015, 03:10:37 PM: Don Dippel entered the former Troyer/Nagle Cyclone at the 1976 Trenton Race of Champions Late Model event. He blew up in practice and didn't run the feature though. The car sat in his garage for many years after that.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/14204789324/search/?query=Don%20Dippel (https://www.facebook.com/groups/14204789324/search/?query=Don%20Dippel)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 10, 2016, 10:18:10 PM: The Sandman car at Futon...probably around 196 or 69. Looks like Don Diffendorf at the wheel.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 10, 2016, 10:22:05 PM: Does anyone know the #8.......taken at Twin Valley ...probably a Smith Photo.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 10, 2016, 10:25:12 PM: pic I took at Syracuse NYS Fairgrounds.....Al Castrucci flipped in turn 3 AND HIS CAGE CAME DOWN....but I think he had minor injuries.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 10, 2016, 10:36:49 PM: Does anyone have any pictures of me, Dale Welty, racing on the NYS Fairgrounds track? I raced at one labor day race and attempted to qualify for two Super Dirt Weeks.....I'd guess around 1981 or 82. I don't have a single pic of me on the historic old track. I think it was with the mustang body car shown here.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 11, 2016, 12:19:33 PM: I'll look through my pics, but I don't think I do.
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Post by: BigFeet13 on January 11, 2016, 12:35:35 PM: While I'm thinking of it, does anyone have pics of Wally Gay's 95. One of my facebook friends has the car, and is planning on restoring it.

(https://www.raceny.com/smf2/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fd7sdxXJ.jpg&hash=41b2d734bfd3ed1dd2e65e92c4cff63a0494907c)
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 29, 2016, 10:54:11 PM: Pat Wards Mustang at Waterloo.....pic by me!
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Post by: BigFeet13 on April 12, 2016, 10:48:21 PM: In search of pics of Carl Weaver's pink and white #27. Raced at Weedsport, Brewerton, and other CNY tracks, between 1955-66. Thank you.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on April 17, 2016, 08:51:29 AM: Larry Radney at Waterloo Fairgrounds track
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Post by: rsk1139 on April 19, 2016, 12:00:49 PM: It looks like the Show Car Engineering truck behind Larry Radney's car.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on May 17, 2016, 10:28:44 PM: In honor of Dutch Hoag here's a pic of me in front of one of my favorites, the #7 at Langhorne. Dutch owned it but I think this year Lee Osborne was driving. Pic by my Mom or Dad.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on May 18, 2016, 08:57:30 AM: You are correct, Dale. Year was 1970, and Oz drove the Valiant (end ended up flipping it into the infield ditch on the front stretch) and Mitch Smith drove the coupe, and either didn't finish or didn't finish well. As it turned out, probably both cars should have stayed in Bath.
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Post by: buckshot on May 18, 2016, 09:25:03 PM: Dale. The #8 at Twin Valley is Art Getchell.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 15, 2016, 10:17:59 PM: Here's one from RWR... The John Fisher owned 98JR with fresh side tin....I think Doug Mattison was driving it at this point and it may have been the night he flipped and hurt his shoulder blade. Darrell Welty had moved on to drive the Tom Ewing Binner-Peters #66. Pic by Mike Hessling.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 18, 2016, 10:04:52 PM: I believe this is Cliff Pierce avoiding the #7 in the BUGS at Chemung Speedrome in mid sixties action. L.O. Duncan photo
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Post by: Claychamp123 on July 31, 2016, 10:45:04 PM: Kenny Moore finds the tire wall!
Title: Here's a teaser circa 1961
Post by: vintage44x on October 08, 2016, 06:21:56 PM: Guesses?
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Post by: vintage44x on October 08, 2016, 06:23:21 PM: Crap! how do I post a pic? Obviously I am totally inept at this point.
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Post by: blackjackracing on October 09, 2016, 08:05:22 PM: press the reply button/type in text/press attachment/choose your photo (needs to be "small" enough for it to go through)/ preview/post/sit back and enjoy
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Post by: vintage44x on October 14, 2016, 09:00:00 AM: Trying again
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Post by: Claychamp123 on October 25, 2016, 08:37:25 PM: Looks like possibly Eldon Hildreth #16 and Pee Wee Griffin #72 at Langhorne. I do not know the other cars.
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Post by: vintage44x on January 20, 2017, 02:55:42 PM: Only one I do know is the #42 (renumbered #426) - our car driven by Don Yeingst.
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Post by: Shamrock 3x on January 21, 2017, 10:24:17 PM: Gary...pretty sure the 16 is Elton Hildreth. He always had those window opening way cut out like that. I think the 72 is Pee Wee Griffin.
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Post by: MOD27NY on April 01, 2017, 09:09:37 AM: https://www.facebook.com/We-Go-Racing-Fan-Club-253508314679731/ (https://www.facebook.com/We-Go-Racing-Fan-Club-253508314679731/)
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Post by: MOD27NY on April 01, 2017, 09:10:39 AM: PENN/POINT PLUS
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Post by: MOD27NY on April 01, 2017, 09:11:51 AM: HERB HARVEY SPEEDWAY
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Post by: Claychamp123 on February 25, 2018, 10:55:08 AM: pic I took at Syracuse...anybody know the cars?
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Post by: sprintdaddy on February 25, 2018, 12:52:02 PM: Les Albertie ( sp ) in the 473 , Brightbill in the 19 ,Stan Poliski or Frank Cozze in the 44
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Post by: rsk1139 on February 28, 2018, 09:24:20 AM: I think the 3rd car in the picture is Al Tasnady in 46K.
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Post by: sprintdaddy on February 28, 2018, 10:15:25 AM: I can't make out the number on the 3rd car, I thought at first it was also 46 and thought it would be Kerry Schorder.
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Post by: Claychamp123 on June 21, 2018, 09:51:19 PM: Norm Welty #27 tangled with Dick Karlnoski SR and an unknown car
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Post by: Claychamp123 on January 01, 2019, 01:30:24 PM: Cal Lane comes in off the Chemung Speedrome track, looks like it may be raining....Picture by Welty