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Mark

Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 8:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cam Gagliardi did finish in the top 5 of the '62 opener under an alias: G.R.!
Trivia69

Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Capt'n History strikes again. Cam Gagliardi is the right answer for the 62 opener alias. Moondogspot. Don Diffendorf never won a Super Modified feature to my knowledge, although he did come close a coiuple of times and you don't realize how close you are on your answer.
Thedoebes

Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 1:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What person drove a super,ambulance,modern,and pace car at different times during his days at Shangri-La?I know Mike knows this one
Vintage44

Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ron,
How about Bobby Conklin?
Racewear

Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 5:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Last Sunday afternoon super show Dave Paul
First Friday night Irish Jack Murphy.
Thedoebes

Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I knew you or Mike would get that one.Do you remember who bought his ambulance service but wouldn't give their service to the track?
Moondogspot

Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 7:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there a NASCAR Grand National (today known as: Winston/Nextell Cup) race held at Shangri-la on July 4, 1952?

Some material I’ve researched says, yes…
I have an article that ran thirty years ago in Gater News penned by Andy Fusco about NASCAR GN races in NY and “Owego” is listed as having a race with Tim Flock the winner. In the book, History of America’s Speedways under Tioga, it says a GN race was held as well.

However, when I do some web-searching, I find lots of info that a race on that date was held in Owego, but the track’s name is listed as Wine Creek –a half mile dirt track (which I believe would have been OSWEGO).

Does anyone really know?
Mark

Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 8:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, 1952 saw a Grand National (now Nextel Cup) race held at Shangri-La won by Tim Flock. See page 21 (starts on page 20) of the Sept.-Dec. '87 issue of AUTO RAC'R Magazine with the Shangri-La Story by Mike Monnat! LOL
Year by Year Nextel Cup Races Website
That website has some of the early years, but not all of them....

(Message edited by Mark on April 06, 2005)
Trivia69

Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 9:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good morning everyone. racewear is correct Dave Paul won the last race (daytime) for his only Shangri-La and Irish Jack Murphy won the first Friday might show for his only win. On that re-opening day in 1962, there were three heats, Murphy won heat one. Billy Blum won heat two, what local driver took heat three and when Oswego driver Ed Kingsley got seriously hurt at Shangri-La what was the famous sponsor on his car. Shangri-La gave up on a two night a-week venture after the 1964 season however they ran one Super show in June of 1965. Who won that show. Have a great day.
Racewear

Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

On the last super show on Sunday could it be
Norm Makereth.
Tangletongue

Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 2:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, can't resist adding my two cents.Everyone is talking Mods... how many of these ten listed 1973 season Limited Sportsmen (A.K.A. Late Models) can you name? Over 6 correct answers makes you a Shangri-La expert...
#D3...'65 Chevelle
#66...'67 Dodge Dart
#36...'64 Chevelle
#24...'69 Chevelle
#5....'65 Chevelle
#117..'66 Chevelle
#70...'57 Chevy
#21...'62 Ford Fairlane
#1....'65 Plymouth
#4....'66 Mercury Comet
Paperboy

Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

D3-Don Moshier
66-Al Baldwin
36-Blaine Barnhart
24-Duane Ellis
70-Ed O'Niel
1 Randy Hedger
5-Don Williams
21-Ron McClure
117-Roger Dibble (?)
4 ?
Raceguy

Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, what Mike said! :-)
Mark

Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike has no idea or clue on any of those drivers! LOL
Tangletongue

Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 2:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Congrats Paperboy! Actually you get a 7, but one of the cars listed was driven by brothers through the season, so you could've done the either/or thing.
Paperboy

Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 9:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The No. 21 might have been Fordman12 and his brother Tom, but I seem to remember their Late Model being a full size Galaxy, rather than a Fairlane. Can't remember if Tom ever drove during the Late Model years, or if he started later in the Street Stocks.
I remember the McClure car being a Fairlane. Maybe Ron and Ray both drove it?

The time going back to 1973 is getting longer, and my memories going in the opposite direction!!


Tangletongue

Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your memory isn't as bad as you're making out. The 21 Fairlane was Ray McClure in the photos I have, but a 1973 Shangri-La program lists, under driver, just McClure Ford. So, I'm giving you the point for Ron McClure. The #70 and the #117 were your downfall, and you didn't attempt the #4 (actually, to be totally fair, I should mention the 4 has a small letter after it on the car...) I'll wait until Monday night to post the answers, in case someone else might want to take a shot...and to let your memory simmer for a bit.
Paperboy

Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No. 70 could have been Jack Steenburg in a Zacharias team car. But it was probably a fifty something Buick rather than a Chevy.
Fordman12

Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I believe that Tom Schwarz original number was #117 before it became #07.

NASCAR did not want any 3 digit numbers.
fred

Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The #4 should be Joe Buchak or Bill Leary
fred

Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 11:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have Tom Swartz driving #117 in 1973 - 74 don't know what kind of car but it's white with red stripe in 1973 and 1974 has stars painted on red stripe also blue stripe with stars on rocker panel 74
Tangletongue

Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, you got me... Jack Steenburg (although I've seen it spelled Steinburg in two different places) was the driver of the #70... and it probably was a Buick. The rear quarters looked like bent (damaged) '57 Chevy, but on closer inspection, there appears to be Buick portholes in the front fenders. Nice job of detective work.
Fred, on the photo of the #4 Comet, it says Bob Larry, but considering what I've seen so far on the spelling, it wouldn't surprise me if it was Leary, or even Bill. It's funny, but even though I remembered most of these cars after seeing the photos again, I have no recollection of the #4.
As for the 117, it was Tom Schwartz. And it reminded me of another car from that era, but I didn't think too much about it until after Fred's description of the 1974 car, the plot thickens. It sounds like a description of the Chevelle that Billy Griffin destroyed on the pit entrance at Chemung in 1971. Any connection between Tom and Billy?
Fred Smith

Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 1:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i'm quite sure that the tom swartz and billy griffin cars are different cars know both well. maybe you have heard of me as fred smith photos with about 15,000 photos of north east i have most labled by track taken and year
Mark

Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

THE Fred Smith photographer appears!
Heaven knows I own many of his pictures in my collection.....
Tangletongue

Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm sure the cars are not the same... the Griffin car had a bit lower ride height and the fenders were cut out differently than the Swartz car.(Besides, the Griffin car was junk after the 1971 accident... and the Swartz car in question was a 1973 season peice.) I just wondered if the drivers had some sort of connection due to the strikingly similar paint jobs.

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